Ever have anything stolen from a plane?

[Dan[_1_]]

Just curious, has anyone ever had anything stolen from their plane
(i.e. portable GPS, headsets, etc.) while in the care of an FBO away
from your home field?

I am debating whether it's safer to leave my 396 in the plane, or take
it with me in a rental car that might be parked downtown, etc. I
highly suspect the plane is safer, but just wondering if anyone has any
history.


--Dan

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article om>,
"Dan" > wrote:

> Just curious, has anyone ever had anything stolen from their plane
> (i.e. portable GPS, headsets, etc.) while in the care of an FBO away
> from your home field?
>
> I am debating whether it's safer to leave my 396 in the plane, or take
> it with me in a rental car that might be parked downtown, etc. I
> highly suspect the plane is safer, but just wondering if anyone has any
> history.
>
>
> --Dan

I had a pair of DC 10-30s and an intercom stolen from my plane at the
Moffett Open House in 1988.

Put the 496 in the luggage compartment, where it is out of sight, or
take it with you in the rental car for navigation reference.

[tony roberts[_1_]]

> I am debating whether it's safer to leave my 396 in the plane, or take
> it with me . . .

Hi Dan

Take it with you.
At our airport break in's happen about once every 4 - 5 years.
At the last one I was still in partnership and my partner left our bag
in the plane. Journey log, C of A, Insurance, etc, etc,
Everything gone. What a nightmare trying to replace it.
It ain't worth it.

Tony
--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

[Peter Duniho]

"Dan" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Just curious, has anyone ever had anything stolen from their plane
> (i.e. portable GPS, headsets, etc.) while in the care of an FBO away
> from your home field? [...]

Never. But then, I don't generally leave anything important in the airplane
(except airplane parts attached to the airplane, of course :) ).

That said, between getting something stolen from your plane and something
stolen from your rental car, I think it may be a toss-up, or slightly in
favor of leaving it with the airplane. Car break-ins are certainly more
common, and if the airplane is parked within view of the FBO office, and you
aren't leaving it overnight, that practically guarantees no theft. Even
leaving it out of sight and/or overnight, the odds of theft are low.

The best solution is to keep your valuables with you, or in a very secure
place (such as a locked safe in your hotel room, or in the hotel safe, or
some other trusted individual). Barring that, you just might be better off
leaving the GPS in the airplane (just make sure it's not visible through the
windows...that's just asking for it).

Pete

[tony roberts[_1_]]

Agreed.
This is not choice "a" or choice "b"
You don't have to leave it in the rental car or the plane - take it with
you!

Tony

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE


> The best solution is to keep your valuables with you, or in a very secure
> place (such as a locked safe in your hotel room, or in the hotel safe, or
> some other trusted individual).

[NW_Pilot]

"Dan" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Just curious, has anyone ever had anything stolen from their plane
> (i.e. portable GPS, headsets, etc.) while in the care of an FBO away
> from your home field?
>
> I am debating whether it's safer to leave my 396 in the plane, or take
> it with me in a rental car that might be parked downtown, etc. I
> highly suspect the plane is safer, but just wondering if anyone has any
> history.
>
>
> --Dan
>

The only thing I have lost are things that I have left in a rental and never
turned in by the next renter small stuff flash lights charts etc.

Here is a story about how a guy who lost an entire airplane?

One of my ferries was a repo. I meet up with the Private Investigator at
before the crack of dawn verify all the paper work was in order fresh ramp
annual "Ferry Permit" & Registration. I am given the keys that the lock
poper made the night before and a frequency other than Unicom to let him
know I am off and systems are a-ok and the flights a go, The PI calls the
local authorities to let them know about the repo so that there is no legal
ramifications for taking the plane and for when the owner call the
authorities they will explain it was repo'ed. I am then told to proceed to
the drop off location few hundred miles away! After landing the PI's people
are waiting plane get stuffed in to a hanger I fill out a piece of paper
about what works and dose not work yada yada yada and get paid put on a the
next airliner going my way and go home!

I Would have hated to be that guy! Wake up go to the airport to make his
flight home or wherever he was going and bird is gone! It was nice bird to
bad the owner was a deadbeat! The PI's found him because of his IFR flight
plans he was making regular trips and staying the weekend and parking in
transient parking. The PI's said if he had the airplane in a hanger they
would not be able to do anything since it was outside it was a sealed deal!

I have to say PI's pay very well $$$$$$ for 2 day's worth of work and the
excitement of what is equal to stealing an airplane in unknown condition
wich is a make and model you have never flow before is a rush in itself! I
also found out that not many airplanes get repo'ed that often I get a call
or 2 about some maybe upcoming repo's from the PI's recovery firm every few
mo's but most are airplanes that require a type cert to fly them wich sucks.
I wish I could afford some Type cert's!

Dam Ferrying airplanes is a fun business to be in lots of adventures in
aviation land and more to come!

I Still feel bad for the poor guy! I couldn't fathom the feelings he must
have felt going to the airport where he parked his plane and find it
missing!

Dam looks like I am again an active member of rec.aviation hahahahahaa!!!!

[Sylvain]

NW_Pilot wrote:

> Dam Ferrying airplanes is a fun business to be in lots of adventures in
> aviation land and more to come!

two questions out of curiosity:

- wouldn't you be concerned that the owner -- or soon to be ex-owner --
of an aircraft being repo'd might do something drastic like calling the
feds or hurting you (aren't there states where you are entitled to use
lethal force to protect your property?)?

- how do you get into this line of business? :-)

--Sylvain (commercial, ASEL, AMEL, IFR, can travel :-)

[NW_Pilot]

"Sylvain" > wrote in message
t...
> NW_Pilot wrote:
>
>> Dam Ferrying airplanes is a fun business to be in lots of adventures in
>> aviation land and more to come!
>
> two questions out of curiosity:
>
> - wouldn't you be concerned that the owner -- or soon to be ex-owner --
> of an aircraft being repo'd might do something drastic like calling the
> feds or hurting you (aren't there states where you are entitled to use
> lethal force to protect your property?)?

Nope, no worries usually the former owner don't know who I am and the PI
that I have done 2 of these for usually secures the area really well with
surveillance it's not like you see on movies. I also have copies of the
court orders allowing for recovery of the property that I carry in the
airplane.

>
> - how do you get into this line of business? :-)
>

Lot's of hard work! It also helps to be straight forward with people,
ability to quickly adapt to new and unfamiliar aircraft, know how to work
under pressure and solve problems, Most of all knowing when to say NO and
walk away as there is some real trash out there!

> --Sylvain (commercial, ASEL, AMEL, IFR, can travel :-)

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

NW_Pilot wrote:
> I have to say PI's pay very well $$$$$$ for 2 day's worth of work and the
> excitement of what is equal to stealing an airplane in unknown condition
> wich is a make and model you have never flow before is a rush in itself! I
> also found out that not many airplanes get repo'ed that often I get a call
> or 2 about some maybe upcoming repo's from the PI's recovery firm every few
> mo's but most are airplanes that require a type cert to fly them wich sucks.
> I wish I could afford some Type cert's!


I used to repo cars before I went to nursing school. There's one hell of a rush
in legally stealing cars. You haven't lived until you pop a pickup truck
decorated with NRA stickers with shotgun shells all over the floorboard. Dodge
engines seem to hate starting in the cold.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[B A R R Y[_1_]]

Dan wrote:

>
> I am debating whether it's safer to leave my 396 in the plane, or take
> it with me in a rental car that might be parked downtown, etc.

Take it with you, hide it in the trunk.

[Sylvain]

Dan wrote:

> I am debating whether it's safer to leave my 396 in the plane, or take
> it with me in a rental car

that's a service I would like to see at FBOs: lockers. A safe
place to lockup your gear, to protect it not only from
possible theft, but also from the heat. I have seen that only
once so far (at KGCN)

--Sylvain

[Emily]

Dan wrote:
> Just curious, has anyone ever had anything stolen from their plane
> (i.e. portable GPS, headsets, etc.) while in the care of an FBO away
> from your home field?
>
> I am debating whether it's safer to leave my 396 in the plane, or take
> it with me in a rental car that might be parked downtown, etc. I
> highly suspect the plane is safer, but just wondering if anyone has any
> history.
>
>
> --Dan
>
Nope, never. But maybe I'm just lucky.

[Nathan Young]

On 5 Oct 2006 20:42:59 -0700, "Dan" > wrote:

>Just curious, has anyone ever had anything stolen from their plane
>(i.e. portable GPS, headsets, etc.) while in the care of an FBO away
>from your home field?
>
>I am debating whether it's safer to leave my 396 in the plane, or take
>it with me in a rental car that might be parked downtown, etc. I
>highly suspect the plane is safer, but just wondering if anyone has any
>history.

Many insurers will allow you a rider/adder policy to cover headsets,
portable GPS, or tablets that are used in the plane.

It is expensive (relative to the value of the objects) but beats
having to remove/hide the equipment at the end of each flight.

[Jay Honeck]

> I am debating whether it's safer to leave my 396 in the plane, or take
> it with me in a rental car that might be parked downtown, etc. I
> highly suspect the plane is safer, but just wondering if anyone has any
> history.

That's one of the nice things about the Garmin 396/496 series -- you
can use 'em in your rental car for navigation on the roads.

For that reason alone I'd take it with me, although I've never had
anything stolen from a plane...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dan[_1_]]

Lugging it on my person for the entire weekend doesn't sound like fun
though...


tony roberts wrote:
> Agreed.
> This is not choice "a" or choice "b"
> You don't have to leave it in the rental car or the plane - take it with
> you!
>
> Tony
>
> --
>
> Tony Roberts
> PP-ASEL
> VFR OTT
> Night
> Cessna 172H C-GICE
>
>
> > The best solution is to keep your valuables with you, or in a very secure
> > place (such as a locked safe in your hotel room, or in the hotel safe, or
> > some other trusted individual).

[Robert M. Gary]

I guess it depends on the airport but I always feel safer leaving it in
the plane. This is especially true in places like Mexico where a group
of guys with M-16s walk up to you whenever you approach a plane but
anyone can get into your hotel room with a toothpick.

-Robert



Dan wrote:
> Just curious, has anyone ever had anything stolen from their plane
> (i.e. portable GPS, headsets, etc.) while in the care of an FBO away
> from your home field?
>
> I am debating whether it's safer to leave my 396 in the plane, or take
> it with me in a rental car that might be parked downtown, etc. I
> highly suspect the plane is safer, but just wondering if anyone has any
> history.
>
>
> --Dan

[Michelle P]

Dan wrote:
> Just curious, has anyone ever had anything stolen from their plane
> (i.e. portable GPS, headsets, etc.) while in the care of an FBO away
> from your home field?
>
> I am debating whether it's safer to leave my 396 in the plane, or take
> it with me in a rental car that might be parked downtown, etc. I
> highly suspect the plane is safer, but just wondering if anyone has any
> history.
>
>
> --Dan
>
I never have anything stolen but I do cover it up. If I am not going to
put the cover on I will put a towel over the instrument panel to keep
prying eyes out and keep the heat down.

Michelle P

[Jon Woellhaf]

Dan asked whether he should leave his 396 in the plane or in the rental car.

Tony suggested he carry it with him. To which Dan replied,
> Lugging it on my person for the entire weekend doesn't sound like fun
> though...

What could be more fun than playing with the 396 while you're driving around
town?

[Steve Foley[_1_]]

"Dan" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Just curious, has anyone ever had anything stolen from their plane
> (i.e. portable GPS, headsets, etc.) while in the care of an FBO away
> from your home field?


Someome stole a helmet from the Blue Angels the last time they were in
Worcester (KORH).

They have vowed never to return to Worcester.

[Maule Driver]

Dan wrote:
> Lugging it on my person for the entire weekend doesn't sound like fun
> though...
>
Maybe not, but it's the price I'm willing to pay to avoid the scheduled
airlines.

I just lug my flight bag with the 396 and the Bose headsets. It's
never gotten in the way of weekend fun and it often makes flight
planning for the trip home easier too.

[Peter Duniho]

"Nathan Young" > wrote in message
...
> Many insurers will allow you a rider/adder policy to cover headsets,
> portable GPS, or tablets that are used in the plane.
>
> It is expensive (relative to the value of the objects) but beats
> having to remove/hide the equipment at the end of each flight.

Insurance is a last resort. It's much better to not have stuff stolen in
the first place.

[[email protected]]

A gentleman at our field was up in St. John's (CYYT) a couple weeks
ago and someone stole 2 Bose X from his plane. When he did his walk
around he noticed them missing he went into the FBO there and the first
thing they said, "Don't worry, we'll replace them right away". Talk
about good service. Anyhow, lesson is that there are some thieves out
there.

-dr


Dan wrote:
> Just curious, has anyone ever had anything stolen from their plane
> (i.e. portable GPS, headsets, etc.) while in the care of an FBO away
> from your home field?
>
> I am debating whether it's safer to leave my 396 in the plane, or take
> it with me in a rental car that might be parked downtown, etc. I
> highly suspect the plane is safer, but just wondering if anyone has any
> history.
>
>
> --Dan

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Dan" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Just curious, has anyone ever had anything stolen from their plane
> (i.e. portable GPS, headsets, etc.) while in the care of an FBO away
> from your home field?

Never had anything stolen, but I lock my plane... I also tend not to leave
things visible in the open to tempt others... With a car, you can put your
stuff in your trunk and it is definitely out of sight... As they say, "out
of sight, out of mind"...

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Sylvain" > wrote in message
t...
> - wouldn't you be concerned that the owner -- or soon to be ex-owner --
> of an aircraft being repo'd might do something drastic like calling the
> feds or hurting you (aren't there states where you are entitled to use
> lethal force to protect your property?)?

Deadly force is authorized here in Texas... If I saw someone trying to take
one of my vehicles, I would definitely shoot them... If their widow claimed
that they were doing a repo, I would have to say, "tough ****, wrong
vehicle"... All my vehicles are paid in full, so stupidity would definitely
be a capital offence on his part...

[houstondan]

Grumman-581 wrote:
>
> Deadly force is authorized here in Texas... If I saw someone trying to take
> one of my vehicles, I would definitely shoot them... If their widow claimed
> that they were doing a repo, I would have to say, "tough ****, wrong
> vehicle"... All my vehicles are paid in full, so stupidity would definitely
> be a capital offence on his part...
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

well, sorta,,,,,unless you're keeping your airplane in your house
you'll probably get to make lots of new friends at huntsville.

if you have a carry permit you know all this but generally you can
shoot to preserve life, not property and generally if it's dark and
someone is trying to get into your house then it's deemed reasonable to
fear for your life.

better you should wing him, wrap him up in spare tiedowns, take him to
the house and do him there.

dan

[Emily]

houstondan wrote:
> Grumman-581 wrote:
>> Deadly force is authorized here in Texas... If I saw someone trying to take
>> one of my vehicles, I would definitely shoot them... If their widow claimed
>> that they were doing a repo, I would have to say, "tough ****, wrong
>> vehicle"... All my vehicles are paid in full, so stupidity would definitely
>> be a capital offence on his part...
> //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>
> well, sorta,,,,,unless you're keeping your airplane in your house
> you'll probably get to make lots of new friends at huntsville.
>
> if you have a carry permit you know all this but generally you can
> shoot to preserve life, not property and generally if it's dark and
> someone is trying to get into your house then it's deemed reasonable to
> fear for your life.

What if it's dark in your hangar and someone is trying to get in?

[houstondan]

Emily wrote:

> What if it's dark in your hangar and someone is trying to get in?

//////////////////////

um, emily, what are you doing in your hanger...in the dark?

dan

[Emily]

houstondan wrote:
> Emily wrote:
>
>> What if it's dark in your hangar and someone is trying to get in?
>
> //////////////////////
>
> um, emily, what are you doing in your hanger...in the dark?
>
> dan
>
Changing the oil, of course. :-)

[Matt Whiting]

Emily wrote:
> houstondan wrote:
>
>> Grumman-581 wrote:
>>
>>> Deadly force is authorized here in Texas... If I saw someone trying
>>> to take
>>> one of my vehicles, I would definitely shoot them... If their widow
>>> claimed
>>> that they were doing a repo, I would have to say, "tough ****, wrong
>>> vehicle"... All my vehicles are paid in full, so stupidity would
>>> definitely
>>> be a capital offence on his part...
>>
>> //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>>
>>
>> well, sorta,,,,,unless you're keeping your airplane in your house
>> you'll probably get to make lots of new friends at huntsville.
>>
>> if you have a carry permit you know all this but generally you can
>> shoot to preserve life, not property and generally if it's dark and
>> someone is trying to get into your house then it's deemed reasonable to
>> fear for your life.
>
>
> What if it's dark in your hangar and someone is trying to get in?

All depends on who she is! :-)

Matt

[Grumman-581[_4_]]

houstondan wrote:
> well, sorta,,,,,unless you're keeping your airplane in your house
> you'll probably get to make lots of new friends at huntsville.
>
> if you have a carry permit you know all this but generally you can
> shoot to preserve life, not property and generally if it's dark and
> someone is trying to get into your house then it's deemed reasonable to
> fear for your life.
>
> better you should wing him, wrap him up in spare tiedowns, take him to
> the house and do him there.

Sorry Dan, but you're wrong... I've got a CHL and I am very well aware
of the laws... You're mistaking Texas with some of those ****in'
socialistic liberal ass states up north... Hell, there was a case
awhile back where a guy shot a repo guy who was getting his truck... It
was a legal repo, but the guy claimed that he thought that his truck
was being stolen... The shooting was justified...

The Texas laws:
<snip>
9.41. Protection of One's Own Property

(a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable
property is justified in using force against another when and to the
degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary
to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful
interference with the property.

(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, movable
property by another is justified in using force against the other when
and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is
immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the property if
the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the
dispossession and:

(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no claim of
right when he dispossessed the actor; or

(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using force,
threat, or fraud against the actor.

9.42. Deadly Force to Protect Property

A person is justified in using deadly force against another to
protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under
Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force
is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson,
burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or
criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after
committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the
nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by
any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or
recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a
substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

9.43. Protection of Third Person's Property

A person is justified in using force or deadly force against
another to protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person
if, under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the
actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force or
deadly force to protect his own land or property and:

(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful interference
constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or criminal mischief to
the tangible, movable property; or

(2) the actor reasonably believes that:

(A) the third person has requested his protection of the land
or property;

(B) he has a legal duty to protect the third person's land or
property; or

(C) the third person whose land or property he uses force or
deadly force to protect is the actor's spouse, parent, or child,
resides with the actor, or is under the actor's care.
</snip>

End result -- you break into my house, my car, or my plane, you're
toast... If I'm feeling particularly generous that day, I *might* let
your friends and relatives find your body...

Hell, if you make a mess, you should clean it up yourself, right?
Preferrably in an ecologically friendly manner...

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