AD: Airplane for sale.

[Aluckyguess]

http://kevinandrews.com/1967_cherokee_180_c_for_sale__as.htm

I hope it ok to post this in here.

[Peter Duniho]

"Aluckyguess" > wrote in message
...
> I hope it ok to post this in here.

It's not. Try rec.aviation.marketplace.

[C. Massey]

"Aluckyguess" > wrote in message
...
> http://kevinandrews.com/1967_cherokee_180_c_for_sale__as.htm
>
> I hope it ok to post this in here.
>
>


If I were trying to sell an airplane, I would:

1. Read the FAQ's or even just ask first
2. Provide contact information on the webpage
3. Learn to write HMTL properly, or in this case use Front Page properly
4. Resize pictures so that they fit on the screen and load quicker
5. Use lower case letters instead of all caps




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[Montblack[_1_]]

("Aluckyguess" wrote)
> I hope it ok to post this in here.


Is it your plane?

If so, what's the story?
If not, what's the story?

http://kevinandrews.com/1967_cherokee_180_c_for_sale__as.htm
FIX THIS!! Everything should fit 800x600 :-)

My input:
It is NOT ok - since relevant story is missing and that website is evil.

BTW, your saving grace:

1. The asking price was included in the link. <g>
2. You're a regular around here


Montblack

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
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> http://kevinandrews.com/1967_cherokee_180_c_for_sale__as.htm
> FIX THIS!! Everything should fit 800x600 :-)

Sounds like someone whose eyesight has gotten so bad that they are having
to use the computer equivalent of the "big print" books... <grin>

Since you mentioned it, I figured I would check out the site... My laptop is
running 1024x768 (physical screen resolution limit) and is acceptable to me
from a screen real estate standpoint... I don't like having to go down to
800x600 for some older laptop screens... The only thing that can be said for
800x600 is that it beats the 'ell out of 640x480... Of course, 640x480 beats
the 'ell out of the PDA screens... I've recently been working on a GPS
program for a PDA-type device and I find it difficult to display all the
information that I want to display at the same time on the real estate that
I have available on it...

Even at 1024x768, his images are too large... Perhaps he was wanting to
create a single page that could be printed and posted as flyers around the
airports... In my opinion, he should rethink this... Layouts that look good
on flyers do not necessarily look good as web pages... For a web page, I
would suggest smaller images and creating a hyperlink on the picture /
thumbnail to bring up the larger image... The smaller images should be true
thumbnails, not just using the 'width' and 'height' attributes to resize it
at the client side... If you do it that way, the full image still has to be
transferred to the client even though only a lower resolution version of it
is being displayed...

Having everything in all caps is not exactly good style either... One could
argue that what is supposed to be capitalized is not and what isn't, is...
For example, he mentions "Mp3 PLAYER"... This should have been "MP3" and the
rest either not capitalized or perhaps only the first letter of "player"
capitalized... One other question is whether the aircraft is really
currently being "ANNEALED"? If so, what happened to require this? <grin>

One other bit of information that would be nice is to post where the plane
is located... A quick search of the FAA database shows that Kevin is located
in Riverside, CA, but it might be nice to include that bit of information on
the page... It's also possible that a voice phone number might be useful...

[Aluckyguess]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Aluckyguess" wrote)
>> I hope it ok to post this in here.
>
>
> Is it your plane? Yes
>
> If so, what's the story? I am buying a bonanza
> If not, what's the story?
>
> http://kevinandrews.com/1967_cherokee_180_c_for_sale__as.htm
> FIX THIS!! Everything should fit 800x600 :-)
I always liked big pictures. You can see more detail.
I will adjust them to fit.
I also put my name and phone numbers on the ad.
Thanks for the advice. Plane should be out of annual next week. I will
deliver it anywhere in the US for fuel and a ticket back.
This is a tuff group.

>
> My input:
> It is NOT ok - since relevant story is missing and that website is evil.
>
> BTW, your saving grace:
>
> 1. The asking price was included in the link. <g>
> 2. You're a regular around here
>
>
> Montblack

[Tom Young[_2_]]

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
...
>One other question is whether the aircraft is really
> currently being "ANNEALED"? If so, what happened to require this? <grin>

Some of us just like our aircraft nice and soft. Cushions those hard
landings :-)

Tom Young

[C. Massey]

"Aluckyguess" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Montblack" > wrote in message
> ...
>> ("Aluckyguess" wrote)
>>> I hope it ok to post this in here.
>>
>>
>> Is it your plane? Yes
>>
>> If so, what's the story? I am buying a bonanza
>> If not, what's the story?
>>
>> http://kevinandrews.com/1967_cherokee_180_c_for_sale__as.htm
>> FIX THIS!! Everything should fit 800x600 :-)
> I always liked big pictures. You can see more detail.
> I will adjust them to fit.
> I also put my name and phone numbers on the ad.
> Thanks for the advice. Plane should be out of annual next week. I will
> deliver it anywhere in the US for fuel and a ticket back.
> This is a tuff group.
>
>>
>> My input:
>> It is NOT ok - since relevant story is missing and that website is evil.
>>
>> BTW, your saving grace:
>>
>> 1. The asking price was included in the link. <g>
>> 2. You're a regular around here
>>
>>
>> Montblack
>
>


What did you "fix" other than adding your name and phone #?

The contact info isn't set properly and starts on the right side of the
screen, then goes over to the left and is overlapping the other text. Same
for the "plane hangered its whole life". This is extremely annoying.

The pics are still sized around 1120 X 750. I would suggest that you take
Grumman-581's advice and make thumbnails that will link to a larger picture.

I am not trying to be an ass and nit pick your page, but if I were in the
market for a plane, I would be looking for a little more of a professional
looking page. It's not hard to do, especially with Front Page.

If you need help with any of this, I will be glad to help.




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[Jose[_1_]]

> Since you mentioned it, I figured I would check out the site... My laptop is
> running 1024x768 (physical screen resolution limit) and is acceptable to me
> from a screen real estate standpoint...

Well, that's fine if you're giving your entire screen over to the web
site. But if you're doing more than one thing at a time, you may not
want to do that, and the site should resize itself intellegently with
the window.

> Layouts that look good
> on flyers do not necessarily look good as web pages.

Yep. Web design is not about layout.

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jose[_1_]]

> I always liked big pictures. You can see more detail.

Put the small picture on the page, and make it clickable (or put a text
link) to get the large picture if the user wants to.

Jose
--
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it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Aluckyguess]

Thank Jose for the offer.
Here is the revised page. There is probably a spelling error or something.
http://kevinandrews.com/for_sale_1967_cherokee_180_c%20revised.htm




..

[C. Massey]

"Aluckyguess" > wrote in message
...
> Thank Jose for the offer.
> Here is the revised page. There is probably a spelling error or something.
> http://kevinandrews.com/for_sale_1967_cherokee_180_c%20revised.htm
>


Much better!

But don't center the text. Align it to the left. I would use bullets as
well...




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[Montblack[_1_]]

("Aluckyguess" wrote)
> Here is the revised page. There is probably a spelling error or something.


<http://kevinandrews.com/for_sale_1967_cherokee_180_c%20revised.htm>

You lost the "Asking Price" this time around. Doh!

"1967 Cherokee 180 C For sale Asking Price $49,000"

That said, it looks (much-much) better.


Montblack
Nice plane, BTW :-)

[Aluckyguess]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Aluckyguess" wrote)
>> Here is the revised page. There is probably a spelling error or
>> something.
>
>
> <http://kevinandrews.com/for_sale_1967_cherokee_180_c%20revised.htm>
>
> You lost the "Asking Price" this time around. Doh!
>
> "1967 Cherokee 180 C For sale Asking Price $49,000"
>
> That said, it looks (much-much) better.
I had to raise the price with all the work on the web page.
Just kidding thanks for catching that. I guess I need a check list.

[C. Massey]

"Aluckyguess" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Montblack" > wrote in message
> ...
>> ("Aluckyguess" wrote)
>>> Here is the revised page. There is probably a spelling error or
>>> something.
>>
>>
>> <http://kevinandrews.com/for_sale_1967_cherokee_180_c%20revised.htm>
>>
>> You lost the "Asking Price" this time around. Doh!
>>
>> "1967 Cherokee 180 C For sale Asking Price $49,000"
>>
>> That said, it looks (much-much) better.
> I had to raise the price with all the work on the web page.
> Just kidding thanks for catching that. I guess I need a check list.
>

Now the price is $49,003.50 ? :)




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[Martin Hotze[_1_]]

On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:18:57 GMT, C. Massey wrote:

>Now the price is $49,003.50 ? :)
>

it might skyrocket ... whatever need do you see for using Javascript? the
image-change does not work, at least not here with Firefox 1.5.0.7

and is the font-size for the estimated age of prospect buyers?

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[Joe Feise]

Grumman-581 wrote on 10/07/06 08:36:

> One other bit of information that would be nice is to post where the plane
> is located... A quick search of the FAA database shows that Kevin is located
> in Riverside, CA, but it might be nice to include that bit of information on
> the page... It's also possible that a voice phone number might be useful...


Yup. The surroundings sure looked familiar, and I guessed Riverside. But I was
missing actual confirmation of the location.

-Joe

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Aluckyguess" > wrote in message
...
> Here is the revised page. There is probably a spelling error or something.
> http://kevinandrews.com/for_sale_1967_cherokee_180_c%20revised.htm

Quite a bit better... Personally, I wouldn't put the requirement for
Javascript on the page... At least you didn't use Macromedia Flash though...
That would be a quick way to alienate quite a few potential viewers...

You really should change the name of the file though... It's rather bad
style to put spaces in the file names... Some people put underscores, but
personally, I don't even like them -- I prefer hypens instead...

The large image files are useful when someone is wanting to see the image in
full detail... I would keep them, but have them as a hyperlink under each
image... They shouldn't be the image that one gets for clicking on the
thumbnail though... They are large files, so one should have to explicitly
click on some sort of "(full resolution image)" tag for them to come up...
For the thumbnails, I would go with somewhere around 320x200 or so, but with
high compression on the JPEG so that it doesn't take too much space...
Clicking on the thumbnail would result in another window coming up with an
image that would fit on an 800x600 display... Providing a hyperlink
underneath it for a full size image would also be nice and it could also
come up in another window... Basically, you're looking at three different
image files for each photo...

[bsalai]

Aluckyguess wrote:
> http://kevinandrews.com/1967_cherokee_180_c_for_sale__as.htm
>
> I hope it ok to post this in here.
>
>
This thread is amazing, no one has really assassinated luckyguess for
his transgressions, major or minor. The comments have been constructive
and occasionally even kind.

I can't be where I think I am, this must be rec.aviation.Valium, no?

Brad

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
bsalai > wrote:

> an idiot wrote:
> > http://kevinandrews.com/1967_cherokee_180_c_for_sale__as.htm
> >
> > I hope it ok to post this in here.
> >
> >
> This thread is amazing, no one has really assassinated luckyguess for
> his transgressions, major or minor. The comments have been constructive
> and occasionally even kind.
>
> I can't be where I think I am, this must be rec.aviation.Valium, no?

Maybe the idiot was simply killfiled, I mean, how dumb is it to repeat
the classic aol "mistake"?

Does that make you feel better and restore order to the universe?

:-)

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Jay Honeck]

> Maybe the idiot was simply killfiled, I mean, how dumb is it to repeat
> the classic aol "mistake"?
>
> Does that make you feel better and restore order to the universe?

Whew -- that's better!

Here's another thing we could nail the OP on: Would any experienced
aircraft owner ever buy a plane with the acronym "AD" preceding
"Airplane for sale"?

(That's almost as bad as the infamous Cessna 172 engine, the Lycoming
O-321H2AD. Talk about prescient!)

Oh, wait, he meant "advertisement"! I get it, now...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Noel]

In article om>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> Here's another thing we could nail the OP on: Would any experienced
> aircraft owner ever buy a plane with the acronym "AD" preceding
> "Airplane for sale"?

The aviation equivalent of Nova.

--
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Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Jose[_1_]]

> Those aren't HARD landings, they are POSITIVE landings.
>
> You positively know you've landed... <G>

"well executed short field landings"

Jose
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[Aluckyguess]

..

Your an Idiot. So stick it.
You must be if Bob Noel is your name and you have it posted in a newsgroup.
> the classic aol "mistake"?
>
>I know I kill filed you.

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Aluckyguess" > wrote in message
...
> Here is the revised page. There is probably a spelling error or something.
> http://kevinandrews.com/for_sale_1967_cherokee_180_c%20revised.htm

What is the problem with this aircraft that causes the pilot's toe to break?

BTW, you list the KX155 twice... Do you mean to say that it has dual KX155s
or was this a mistake?

[Aluckyguess]

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
...
> "Aluckyguess" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Here is the revised page. There is probably a spelling error or
>> something.
>> http://kevinandrews.com/for_sale_1967_cherokee_180_c%20revised.htm
>
> Quite a bit better... Personally, I wouldn't put the requirement for
> Javascript on the page... At least you didn't use Macromedia Flash
> though...
> That would be a quick way to alienate quite a few potential viewers...
>
> You really should change the name of the file though... It's rather bad
> style to put spaces in the file names... Some people put underscores, but
> personally, I don't even like them -- I prefer hypens instead...
>
> The large image files are useful when someone is wanting to see the image
> in
> full detail... I would keep them, but have them as a hyperlink under each
> image... They shouldn't be the image that one gets for clicking on the
> thumbnail though... They are large files, so one should have to explicitly
> click on some sort of "(full resolution image)" tag for them to come up...
> For the thumbnails, I would go with somewhere around 320x200 or so, but
> with
> high compression on the JPEG so that it doesn't take too much space...
> Clicking on the thumbnail would result in another window coming up with an
> image that would fit on an 800x600 display... Providing a hyperlink
> underneath it for a full size image would also be nice and it could also
> come up in another window... Basically, you're looking at three different
> image files for each photo...
>

I'm just trying to sell a plane. I am not taking a class on web sites. Its
not an English class. Do you get the idea of the plane what it is, its year,
hours.



>

[Emily]

Aluckyguess wrote:
<snip>
>>
>
> I'm just trying to sell a plane. I am not taking a class on web sites. Its
> not an English class. Do you get the idea of the plane what it is, its year,
> hours.

I think what people are trying to say is that they don't want to buy a
plane from someone who can't formulate a good ad. Makes them wonder how
the maintenance was performed, I guess.

[C. Massey]

"bsalai" > wrote in message
...
> Aluckyguess wrote:
>> http://kevinandrews.com/1967_cherokee_180_c_for_sale__as.htm
>>
>> I hope it ok to post this in here.
>>
>>
> This thread is amazing, no one has really assassinated luckyguess for his
> transgressions, major or minor. The comments have been constructive and
> occasionally even kind.
>
> I can't be where I think I am, this must be rec.aviation.Valium, no?
>


This is the new kindler, gentler rec.aviation.piloting




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[C. Massey]

"Emily" > wrote in message
...
> Aluckyguess wrote:
> <snip>
>>>
>>
>> I'm just trying to sell a plane. I am not taking a class on web sites.
>> Its not an English class. Do you get the idea of the plane what it is,
>> its year, hours.
>
> I think what people are trying to say is that they don't want to buy a
> plane from someone who can't formulate a good ad. Makes them wonder how
> the maintenance was performed, I guess.


Exactly...

I wouldn't want to buy a $50,000 aircraft from someone that can't even make
a basic webpage look decent using Front Page. FP has to be the easiest way
to make a page look decent, and he has failed.

Now he is getting mad and popping off because a couple of us are trying to
help him. Damn, I even offered to make a page for him with no appreciation
from him.

That's the thanks that we get!




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[Montblack[_1_]]

("Martin Hotze" wrote)
> and is the font-size for the estimated age of prospect buyers?


Marty Marty Marty

You leave that font-size alone! :-)


MONT-BLIND-AS-A-BAT
(But still 20/20 at the DMV)

[Martin Hotze[_1_]]

On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:59:38 -0500, Montblack wrote:

>You leave that font-size alone! :-)
>
>
>MONT-BLIND-AS-A-BAT
>(But still 20/20 at the DMV)

you know all the lines you have to read by heart, eh?

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[Aluckyguess]

"C. Massey" > wrote in message
t...
>
> "Emily" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Aluckyguess wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm just trying to sell a plane. I am not taking a class on web sites.
>>> Its not an English class. Do you get the idea of the plane what it is,
>>> its year, hours.
>>
>> I think what people are trying to say is that they don't want to buy a
>> plane from someone who can't formulate a good ad. Makes them wonder how
>> the maintenance was performed, I guess.
>
>
> Exactly...
>
> I wouldn't want to buy a $50,000 aircraft from someone that can't even
> make a basic webpage look decent using Front Page. FP has to be the
> easiest way to make a page look decent, and he has failed.
>
> Now he is getting mad and popping off because a couple of us are trying to
> help him. Damn, I even offered to make a page for him with no appreciation
> from him.
>
> That's the thanks that we get!
>
Most people that fly could not make a web page if there life depended on it.
And they are good pilots and maintain their plane perfectly well.
If you own a plane ask the guy you bought if from if he knows how.
I should of never posted it, but I did.

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[Aluckyguess]

"Emily" > wrote in message
...
> Aluckyguess wrote:
> <snip>
>>>
>>
>> I'm just trying to sell a plane. I am not taking a class on web sites.
>> Its not an English class. Do you get the idea of the plane what it is,
>> its year, hours.
>
> I think what people are trying to say is that they don't want to buy a
> plane from someone who can't formulate a good ad. Makes them wonder how
> the maintenance was performed, I guess.
Well I hope they are smart enough to look at the logs if there not they
shouldn't even be posting on here. Let alone buying a plane.
People that get hung up on spelling and such should just get a life.

[C. Massey]

"Aluckyguess" > wrote in message
...
>
> "C. Massey" > wrote in message
> t...
>>
>> "Emily" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Aluckyguess wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm just trying to sell a plane. I am not taking a class on web sites.
>>>> Its not an English class. Do you get the idea of the plane what it is,
>>>> its year, hours.
>>>
>>> I think what people are trying to say is that they don't want to buy a
>>> plane from someone who can't formulate a good ad. Makes them wonder how
>>> the maintenance was performed, I guess.
>>
>>
>> Exactly...
>>
>> I wouldn't want to buy a $50,000 aircraft from someone that can't even
>> make a basic webpage look decent using Front Page. FP has to be the
>> easiest way to make a page look decent, and he has failed.
>>
>> Now he is getting mad and popping off because a couple of us are trying
>> to help him. Damn, I even offered to make a page for him with no
>> appreciation from him.
>>
>> That's the thanks that we get!
>>
> Most people that fly could not make a web page if there life depended on
> it. And they are good pilots and maintain their plane perfectly well.
> If you own a plane ask the guy you bought if from if he knows how.
> I should of never posted it, but I did.





I didn't say that all pilots could make a webpage, did I? I didn't say that
those that can't make a webpage aren't good pilots and can't maintain their
aircraft, did I?

Can you use Word? You used Front Page to make that webpage and Front Page is
just like using Word. Front page makes it so simple to make a page, WYSIWYG.
How much more simple can that be? The way it appears is the way that it
(should) appear once it is uploaded on the web!

Now, with you using a WYSIWYG program and you still can't get the text not
to overlap, I really don't know if I would buy a $50,000 airplane from you.

If you have the money to own a $50,000 aircraft, I would imagine that you
would have $50 to pay a kid to make a very simple, more professional looking
page for you. That page would be very simple to make and I could even do it
in less than 30 minutes, and I write my webpages by hand, not by using any
type of HTML program.

Ya know... If it wasn't for us, nobody would even know how to contact you.
And you are getting mad at us because we tried to help. You should be
showing some appreciation for the people here trying to help you instead of
everyone just reaming you because you make a post that is (I'm sure) against
the rules in this NG. Typical...





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[Sylvain]

C. Massey wrote:

> I wouldn't want to buy a $50,000 aircraft from someone that can't even
> make a basic webpage look decent using Front Page. FP has to be the
> easiest way to make a page look decent, and he has failed.

why? I mean I cannot possibly see a correlation between one's
web design abilities and ability to care for an aircraft...
actually some of the best maintained aircraft I have seen
belonged to the older generation of pilots who are not
necessarily well versed into the latest online fads.

--Sylvain

[Sylvain]

C. Massey wrote:

> Can you use Word? You used Front Page to make that webpage and Front Page
> is just like using Word.

yuck! someone who doesn't know any better and uses micros*t products!
how could you possibly be trusted with a flying machine?

:-)

--Sylvain

[C. Massey]

"Sylvain" > wrote in message
...
> C. Massey wrote:
>
>> Can you use Word? You used Front Page to make that webpage and Front Page
>> is just like using Word.
>
> yuck! someone who doesn't know any better and uses micros*t products!
> how could you possibly be trusted with a flying machine?
>
> :-)
>


Ask they guy selling the airplane... He's the one using Front Page...




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[C. Massey]

"Sylvain" > wrote in message
...
> C. Massey wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't want to buy a $50,000 aircraft from someone that can't even
>> make a basic webpage look decent using Front Page. FP has to be the
>> easiest way to make a page look decent, and he has failed.
>
> why? I mean I cannot possibly see a correlation between one's
> web design abilities and ability to care for an aircraft...
> actually some of the best maintained aircraft I have seen
> belonged to the older generation of pilots who are not
> necessarily well versed into the latest online fads.
>


I'm not saying anything about one's ability to make a webpage. What I am
saying is that if I couldn't make a webpage and was selling something that
was worth $50,000 (or even $20,000), I would pay someone to make one for me.

That just shows me that the seller doesn't care.

But... That's just *my opinion*...




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[Emily]

Sylvain wrote:
> C. Massey wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't want to buy a $50,000 aircraft from someone that can't even
>> make a basic webpage look decent using Front Page. FP has to be the
>> easiest way to make a page look decent, and he has failed.
>
> why? I mean I cannot possibly see a correlation between one's
> web design abilities and ability to care for an aircraft...
> actually some of the best maintained aircraft I have seen
> belonged to the older generation of pilots who are not
> necessarily well versed into the latest online fads.

HTML isn't exactly a fad. I was using it in college.

[Grumman-581[_4_]]

Aluckyguess wrote:
> I'm just trying to sell a plane. I am not taking a class on web sites. Its
> not an English class. Do you get the idea of the plane what it is, its year,
> hours.

Hell, we're just trying to help you... You should feel privileged that
we didn't slam you for posting an ad on the newsgroup... For the most
part, I suspect that everyone who has made a suggestion has been
attempting to give you constructive criticism... One could even argue
that we are trying to help you create a more professional ad so that
your plane might be easier to sell... Apparently you don't want our
help... Oh well... When you get some spare time, please feel free to
**** off...

[Aluckyguess]

"C. Massey" > wrote in message
et...
>
> "Sylvain" > wrote in message
> ...
>> C. Massey wrote:
>>
>>> I wouldn't want to buy a $50,000 aircraft from someone that can't even
>>> make a basic webpage look decent using Front Page. FP has to be the
>>> easiest way to make a page look decent, and he has failed.
>>
>> why? I mean I cannot possibly see a correlation between one's
>> web design abilities and ability to care for an aircraft...
>> actually some of the best maintained aircraft I have seen
>> belonged to the older generation of pilots who are not
>> necessarily well versed into the latest online fads.
>>
>
>
> I'm not saying anything about one's ability to make a webpage. What I am
> saying is that if I couldn't make a webpage and was selling something that
> was worth $50,000 (or even $20,000), I would pay someone to make one for
> me.
>
> That just shows me that the seller doesn't care.
>
> But... That's just *my opinion*...
Look we could go back and forth. Its time to end the thread. I listed the
plane in the pacific flyer and trade a plane. If it sells great if not I
will keep flying it for awhile.
>
>
>
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[Sylvain]

Emily wrote:


> HTML isn't exactly a fad. I was using it in college.

That's because you are young :-) tbere were no stinking
html in my days (ok, SGML was around), and I was using
slide rules (seriously, I was), and commuting on foot,
uphill, in the snow, both ways.

--Sylvain (ok, but then I had my first web page in 1993)

[Emily]

Sylvain wrote:
> Emily wrote:
>
>
>> HTML isn't exactly a fad. I was using it in college.
>
> That's because you are young :-) tbere were no stinking
> html in my days (ok, SGML was around), and I was using
> slide rules (seriously, I was), and commuting on foot,
> uphill, in the snow, both ways.
>
> --Sylvain (ok, but then I had my first web page in 1993)

Oh, come on. My first web page was only four years later (and yes, I
know how to use a slide rule).

[C. Massey]

"Aluckyguess" > wrote in message
...
>
> "C. Massey" > wrote in message
> et...
>>
>> "Sylvain" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> C. Massey wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wouldn't want to buy a $50,000 aircraft from someone that can't even
>>>> make a basic webpage look decent using Front Page. FP has to be the
>>>> easiest way to make a page look decent, and he has failed.
>>>
>>> why? I mean I cannot possibly see a correlation between one's
>>> web design abilities and ability to care for an aircraft...
>>> actually some of the best maintained aircraft I have seen
>>> belonged to the older generation of pilots who are not
>>> necessarily well versed into the latest online fads.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not saying anything about one's ability to make a webpage. What I am
>> saying is that if I couldn't make a webpage and was selling something
>> that was worth $50,000 (or even $20,000), I would pay someone to make one
>> for me.
>>
>> That just shows me that the seller doesn't care.
>>
>> But... That's just *my opinion*...
> Look we could go back and forth. Its time to end the thread. I listed the
> plane in the pacific flyer and trade a plane. If it sells great if not I
> will keep flying it for awhile.


Hope you have better luck there.

And I sure hope that someday you learn to take constructive criticism
without getting ****ed off.

Bye




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[Aluckyguess]

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Aluckyguess wrote:
>> I'm just trying to sell a plane. I am not taking a class on web sites.
>> Its
>> not an English class. Do you get the idea of the plane what it is, its
>> year,
>> hours.
>
> Hell, we're just trying to help you... You should feel privileged that
> we didn't slam you for posting an ad on the newsgroup... For the most
> part, I suspect that everyone who has made a suggestion has been
> attempting to give you constructive criticism... One could even argue
> that we are trying to help you create a more professional ad so that
> your plane might be easier to sell... Apparently you don't want our
> help... Oh well... When you get some spare time, please feel free to
> **** off...
Such language, I hope you fill big now. I didnt ask for your help. Most of
it didnt sound like it to me. Now go have your mom wash your hands. You do
still live with her right?

>

[Emily]

Aluckyguess wrote:
<snip>
> Such language, I hope you fill big now. I didnt ask for your help. Most of
> it didnt sound like it to me. Now go have your mom wash your hands. You do
> still live with her right?

Now THAT'S the r.a.p everyone was wondering about.

On a side note, is that a male thing, to ask someone if they still live
with their mother?

[Morgans[_2_]]

+
"Aluckyguess" > wrote in message
...
> .
>
> Your an Idiot. So stick it.

Correctly written, that would be: You're an idiot, so stick it.
--
Jim in NC

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
Emily > wrote:

> Oh, come on. My first web page was only four years later (and yes, I
> know how to use a slide rule).

But did you have a slide rule in highschool because calculators
were still $100+?

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[C. Massey]

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> Aluckyguess wrote:
> <snip>
>> Such language, I hope you fill big now. I didnt ask for your help. Most
>> of it didnt sound like it to me. Now go have your mom wash your hands.
>> You do still live with her right?
>
> Now THAT'S the r.a.p everyone was wondering about.
>
> On a side note, is that a male thing, to ask someone if they still live
> with their mother?


Just for a male cry baby that is losing his battle...




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[Emily]

Bob Noel wrote:
> In article >,
> Emily > wrote:
>
>> Oh, come on. My first web page was only four years later (and yes, I
>> know how to use a slide rule).
>
> But did you have a slide rule in highschool because calculators
> were still $100+?
>
Well...no.

Although I think I did pay around $100 for a Ti-85 in high school.
Funny how expensive that seemed before I started flying.

[Sylvain]

Bob Noel wrote:

> But did you have a slide rule in highschool because calculators
> were still $100+?

nay. As a self respecting nerd, I spent all my money into
a programmable one (and I was ****ed when not long afterward,
the HP41 came out -- now any other self respecting nerd out
there with some historical perspective will know how old I
am :-) Slide rules is something I actually did learn to
appreciate later -- or which were required for exams
(anything electronic being banned more often than not);

--Sylvain

[Grumman-581[_4_]]

Aluckyguess wrote:
> Such language, I hope you fill big now. I didnt ask for your help. Most of
> it didnt sound like it to me. Now go have your mom wash your hands. You do
> still live with her right?

Damn, it looks like I must offended his oh-so-delicate sensitivities...
And here I thought I was being polite... Hell, it's not like I said he
had to go **** himself right here and now... I said that he could do it
whenever it might be convenient... Damn, you try to be polite and look
what it gets you... I guess I should reply back with some sort of
insult... Hmmm... How about ...

"You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny"

There! Does that make you feel better now?

Oh, BTW, are you a product of the California school system? Not to
critique you, of course, but I was just curious if the numerous wording
errors in your various messages and the ad are perhaps indicative of
the California educational system in general...

[Grumman-581[_4_]]

C. Massey wrote:
> And I sure hope that someday you learn to take constructive criticism
> without getting ****ed off.

Hmmm... I wonder how many wording errors he can manage in a
Trade-a-Plane ad?

[Grumman-581[_4_]]

Emily wrote:
> On a side note, is that a male thing, to ask someone if they still live
> with their mother?

Nawh, sometimes the question is whether their mother knows that they
jack off while sniffing her soiled panties is her closet... <snicker>

[bsalai]

Morgans wrote:
> +
> "Aluckyguess" > wrote in message
> ...
>> .
>>
>> Your an Idiot. So stick it.
>
> Correctly written, that would be: You're an idiot, so stick it.
Ahhh, home again. :-)

[Emily]

Grumman-581 wrote:
> Emily wrote:
>> On a side note, is that a male thing, to ask someone if they still live
>> with their mother?
>
> Nawh, sometimes the question is whether their mother knows that they
> jack off while sniffing her soiled panties is her closet... <snicker>
>

What a lovely image.

[Grumman-581[_4_]]

On Oct 8, 10:32 pm, Emily > wrote:
> What a lovely image.

Well, I guess I just have a gift for words... Kinda like Jay... But a
bit different... <snicker>

[Emily]

Grumman-581 wrote:
> On Oct 8, 10:32 pm, Emily > wrote:
>> What a lovely image.
>
> Well, I guess I just have a gift for words... Kinda like Jay... But a
> bit different... <snicker>
>
A bit?

I'd say.

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> You leave that font-size alone! :-)

Ahhh.... So I was right -- you *are* blind...

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Emily" > wrote in message
...
> I think what people are trying to say is that they don't want to buy a
> plane from someone who can't formulate a good ad.

I'm not in the market for a new plane, I'm quite satisfied with my current
one... Hell, I was just trying to help the guy so that he could create a
more professional ad... I would hazard to guess that was also the motivation
others in the newsgroup who were commenting on the site... One would think
that he might be interested in getting some pointers from various
individuals who actually make a living doing software and web development...
It's not like we were claiming he was an idiot for not being able to write
HTML by hand and having to resort to FrontPage... One would think that
having purchased FrontPage, he would might be interested in hints so that he
could more effectively use his tool of choice...

> Makes them wonder how the maintenance was performed, I guess.

Different people have different abilities... It's possible that someone
could be meticulous on their aircraft maintenance but not competent in the
use of a web layout tool... One might wonder why someone would pay for
FrontPage and not want to learn how to use it effectively though... Oh well,
that's the type of attitude that allows A&Ps to make their boat payments, I
guess...

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> A bit?
>
> I'd say.

Hey, you survived rec.scuba well enough... It's not like it's something you
hadn't heard those words before... Well, maybe not in that exact order...
<evil-grin>

[Blanche Cohen]

C. Massey > wrote:
>
>"Aluckyguess" > wrote in message
>> http://kevinandrews.com/1967_cherokee_180_c_for_sale__as.htm
>>
>> I hope it ok to post this in here.
>
>If I were trying to sell an airplane, I would:
>
>1. Read the FAQ's or even just ask first
>2. Provide contact information on the webpage
>3. Learn to write HMTL properly, or in this case use Front Page properly
>4. Resize pictures so that they fit on the screen and load quicker
>5. Use lower case letters instead of all caps

Personally, I commend the OP for *only* posting a URL.
This is an improvement over most other off-topic posters.

And as for the comment " use Front Page properly",
isn't that an oxymoron?

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
(Blanche Cohen) wrote:

> Personally, I commend the OP for *only* posting a URL.
> This is an improvement over most other off-topic posters.
>
> And as for the comment " use Front Page properly",
> isn't that an oxymoron?

um, would proper use involve the trash?

oops. OT.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

Jose wrote:
> Well, that's fine if you're giving your entire screen over to the web
> site. But if you're doing more than one thing at a time, you may not
> want to do that, and the site should resize itself intellegently with
> the window.

Awh, 'ell, that's why you have multiple monitors !!! <grin>

I recently hooked up a spare 17" LCD monitor to one of my PCs and now
have two 1280x1024 screens... Damn, I could get spoiled with this...