Re: The legacy of mark foley....The truth about gay pedophilia

[bobandcarole[_1_]]

bobandcarole wrote:
> The truth about 'gay' pedophilia
>
>
>
>
>
> Liberals are experts at framing debates in their favor. Since the Foley
> fiasco hit the news, the emphasis has been on evils lurking within the
> Republican Party.
>
> Incredibly, political editor Brian E. Crowley of the Palm Beach Post
> opined, "Rumors that Foley is gay have swirled around him for years.
> ... But on Friday, whether Foley was a homosexual or a heterosexual no
> longer seemed to matter."
>
> Really? Why would that be considered inconsequential? Could it be
> because the Democrat Party embraces legalizing homosexual marriage and
> inserting homosexual material into public school textbooks designed for
> children as young as grammar school, as demonstrated in recent efforts
> by the California Legislature to indoctrinate students? That is the
> real story behind this media blitz that Democrats want Americans to
> miss.
>
> While the leftist media focuses on the political ramifications
> surrounding Foley in an effort to gain points for liberal candidates in
> the upcoming election, the fact that a homosexual rather than a
> heterosexual preyed on a young male is being oddly overlooked. Few
> people are talking about it. And the question is "Why not?" The answer
> is important because to ignore it is to dismiss the real plight of many
> homosexuals today and their impact upon our culture, our children and
> our political scene.
>
> Foley admits that he is a homosexual. Dare the question be asked
> whether homosexuals commit higher rates of molestation than
> heterosexuals do? Or are the thought police hard at work silencing the
> possible implications?
>
> English professor Karla Jay, Ph.D., and well-educated journalist Allen
> Young, both homosexual activists, conducted the first major survey on
> homosexuality in America in 1979. Their work is still cited in academic
> studies and involved over 5,000 homosexuals from all walks of life.
> Titled "The Gay Report," the study published data on underage sex,
> disease, gross promiscuity, suicidal tendencies and more.
>
> One cannot help but applaud the honesty of these two homosexuals in
> publishing the results of their study, which documented that "23
> percent of respondents admitted to having had sex with youths aged
> 13-15, while 19 percent felt positive about sexual activity within this
> age group." Tragically, 50 percent of the males in their survey
> experienced their first sexual encounter at age 15 or less.
>
> In spite of the fact that two gay researchers produced "The Gay
> Report," radical homosexual activists dismiss it as outdated. This is
> ironic considering they so often cite the much older 1948 "10 percent
> of society is gay" statistic from the oft-disputed Alfred Kinsey study.
>
>
> But out of courtesy for their concerns, are there other esteemed elites
> drawing the same conclusions? Contrary to the homosexual assertion that
> heterosexual molestations outnumber those committed by homosexuals,
> Yale and Harvard-connected psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover states that
> "careful studies show that pedophilia is far more common among
> homosexuals than heterosexuals." Satinover adds, "The greater absolute
> number of heterosexual cases reflects the fact that heterosexual males
> outnumber homosexual males by approximately 36 to 1. Heterosexual child
> molestation cases outnumber homosexual cases by only 11 to 1, implying
> that pedophilia is more than three times more common among
> homosexuals."
>
> So considering the fact that this type of sexual interest is shown by
> studies to occur more often in homosexual populations, is it any
> surprise that Mark Foley admitted he himself was molested as a teenager
> by a clergyman?
>
> According to a report by Gregory Rogers featured on the website for the
> National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, such
> issues raise "immediate questions ... should gay priests be allowed
> access to Sunday Schools or youth groups?" Instead of asking that
> question, however, the liberal cohorts shift the spotlight off the
> homosexuals themselves and onto the church as a whole, just as they're
> now doing with the Republicans even though they themselves have a
> stained record in this regard.
>
> While pointing their fingers at Republicans, who may have overlooked
> gross evil while focusing on political gain, liberals overlook a
> tremendous evil themselves by ignoring the truth about homosexual
> behavior. They fail to speak out for the innocent children caught in
> the path of a rabid homosexual agenda fueled by wounded people who
> refuse to change.
>
> The truth is that the majority of Republicans oppose same-sex marriage
> and the insertion of homosexual dogma into schools, while most
> Democrats support it.
>
> As David Kupelian states in his groundbreaking best seller "The
> Marketing of Evil," "The end game is not only to bring about the
> complete acceptance of homosexuality, including same-sex marriage, but
> also to prohibit and even criminalize public criticism of
> homosexuality."
>
> And all of this at the expense of our children.
>
>
> http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52330

[Beaver Shaver]

bobandcarole wrote:
> bobandcarole wrote:
>
>>The truth about 'gay' pedophilia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Liberals are experts at framing debates in their favor. Since the Foley
>>fiasco hit the news, the emphasis has been on evils lurking within the
>>Republican Party.
>>
>>Incredibly, political editor Brian E. Crowley of the Palm Beach Post
>>opined, "Rumors that Foley is gay have swirled around him for years.
>>... But on Friday, whether Foley was a homosexual or a heterosexual no
>>longer seemed to matter."
>>
>>Really? Why would that be considered inconsequential? Could it be
>>because the Democrat Party embraces legalizing homosexual marriage and
>>inserting homosexual material into public school textbooks designed for
>>children as young as grammar school, as demonstrated in recent efforts
>>by the California Legislature to indoctrinate students? That is the
>>real story behind this media blitz that Democrats want Americans to
>>miss.
>>
>>While the leftist media focuses on the political ramifications
>>surrounding Foley in an effort to gain points for liberal candidates in
>>the upcoming election, the fact that a homosexual rather than a
>>heterosexual preyed on a young male is being oddly overlooked. Few
>>people are talking about it. And the question is "Why not?" The answer
>>is important because to ignore it is to dismiss the real plight of many
>>homosexuals today and their impact upon our culture, our children and
>>our political scene.
>>
>>Foley admits that he is a homosexual. Dare the question be asked
>>whether homosexuals commit higher rates of molestation than
>>heterosexuals do? Or are the thought police hard at work silencing the
>>possible implications?
>>
>>English professor Karla Jay, Ph.D., and well-educated journalist Allen
>>Young, both homosexual activists, conducted the first major survey on
>>homosexuality in America in 1979. Their work is still cited in academic
>>studies and involved over 5,000 homosexuals from all walks of life.
>>Titled "The Gay Report," the study published data on underage sex,
>>disease, gross promiscuity, suicidal tendencies and more.
>>
>>One cannot help but applaud the honesty of these two homosexuals in
>>publishing the results of their study, which documented that "23
>>percent of respondents admitted to having had sex with youths aged
>>13-15, while 19 percent felt positive about sexual activity within this
>>age group." Tragically, 50 percent of the males in their survey
>>experienced their first sexual encounter at age 15 or less.
>>
>>In spite of the fact that two gay researchers produced "The Gay
>>Report," radical homosexual activists dismiss it as outdated. This is
>>ironic considering they so often cite the much older 1948 "10 percent
>>of society is gay" statistic from the oft-disputed Alfred Kinsey study.
>>
>>
>>But out of courtesy for their concerns, are there other esteemed elites
>>drawing the same conclusions? Contrary to the homosexual assertion that
>>heterosexual molestations outnumber those committed by homosexuals,
>>Yale and Harvard-connected psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover states that
>>"careful studies show that pedophilia is far more common among
>>homosexuals than heterosexuals." Satinover adds, "The greater absolute
>>number of heterosexual cases reflects the fact that heterosexual males
>>outnumber homosexual males by approximately 36 to 1. Heterosexual child
>>molestation cases outnumber homosexual cases by only 11 to 1, implying
>>that pedophilia is more than three times more common among
>>homosexuals."
>>
>>So considering the fact that this type of sexual interest is shown by
>>studies to occur more often in homosexual populations, is it any
>>surprise that Mark Foley admitted he himself was molested as a teenager
>>by a clergyman?
>>
>>According to a report by Gregory Rogers featured on the website for the
>>National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, such
>>issues raise "immediate questions ... should gay priests be allowed
>>access to Sunday Schools or youth groups?" Instead of asking that
>>question, however, the liberal cohorts shift the spotlight off the
>>homosexuals themselves and onto the church as a whole, just as they're
>>now doing with the Republicans even though they themselves have a
>>stained record in this regard.
>>
>>While pointing their fingers at Republicans, who may have overlooked
>>gross evil while focusing on political gain, liberals overlook a
>>tremendous evil themselves by ignoring the truth about homosexual
>>behavior. They fail to speak out for the innocent children caught in
>>the path of a rabid homosexual agenda fueled by wounded people who
>>refuse to change.
>>
>>The truth is that the majority of Republicans oppose same-sex marriage
>>and the insertion of homosexual dogma into schools, while most
>>Democrats support it.
>>
>>As David Kupelian states in his groundbreaking best seller "The
>>Marketing of Evil," "The end game is not only to bring about the
>>complete acceptance of homosexuality, including same-sex marriage, but
>>also to prohibit and even criminalize public criticism of
>>homosexuality."
>>
>>And all of this at the expense of our children.
>>
>>
>>http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52330
>
>

Nice strawman rant you got going there. Where'd you get it? From
Limbaugh's daily list of talking points perhaps? The fact remains that
the republican leadership knew of Foley's proclivitey for underage boys
and covered it up for years.

Your post is full of crap and laced with bigotry. This mindset which has
infested the GOP is why I dropped my support of the GOP and became an
independent.

This is the 21st century. Please keep your racist, bigotted, dark-ages
mentallity to yourself. It has no place in an enlightened America.

[[email protected]]

Beaver Shaver wrote:
> bobandcarole wrote:
> > bobandcarole wrote:
> >
> >>The truth about 'gay' pedophilia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Liberals are experts at framing debates in their favor. Since the Foley
> >>fiasco hit the news, the emphasis has been on evils lurking within the
> >>Republican Party.
> >>
> >>Incredibly, political editor Brian E. Crowley of the Palm Beach Post
> >>opined, "Rumors that Foley is gay have swirled around him for years.
> >>... But on Friday, whether Foley was a homosexual or a heterosexual no
> >>longer seemed to matter."
> >>
> >>Really? Why would that be considered inconsequential? Could it be
> >>because the Democrat Party embraces legalizing homosexual marriage and
> >>inserting homosexual material into public school textbooks designed for
> >>children as young as grammar school, as demonstrated in recent efforts
> >>by the California Legislature to indoctrinate students? That is the
> >>real story behind this media blitz that Democrats want Americans to
> >>miss.
> >>
> >>While the leftist media focuses on the political ramifications
> >>surrounding Foley in an effort to gain points for liberal candidates in
> >>the upcoming election, the fact that a homosexual rather than a
> >>heterosexual preyed on a young male is being oddly overlooked. Few
> >>people are talking about it. And the question is "Why not?" The answer
> >>is important because to ignore it is to dismiss the real plight of many
> >>homosexuals today and their impact upon our culture, our children and
> >>our political scene.
> >>
> >>Foley admits that he is a homosexual. Dare the question be asked
> >>whether homosexuals commit higher rates of molestation than
> >>heterosexuals do? Or are the thought police hard at work silencing the
> >>possible implications?
> >>
> >>English professor Karla Jay, Ph.D., and well-educated journalist Allen
> >>Young, both homosexual activists, conducted the first major survey on
> >>homosexuality in America in 1979. Their work is still cited in academic
> >>studies and involved over 5,000 homosexuals from all walks of life.
> >>Titled "The Gay Report," the study published data on underage sex,
> >>disease, gross promiscuity, suicidal tendencies and more.
> >>
> >>One cannot help but applaud the honesty of these two homosexuals in
> >>publishing the results of their study, which documented that "23
> >>percent of respondents admitted to having had sex with youths aged
> >>13-15, while 19 percent felt positive about sexual activity within this
> >>age group." Tragically, 50 percent of the males in their survey
> >>experienced their first sexual encounter at age 15 or less.
> >>
> >>In spite of the fact that two gay researchers produced "The Gay
> >>Report," radical homosexual activists dismiss it as outdated. This is
> >>ironic considering they so often cite the much older 1948 "10 percent
> >>of society is gay" statistic from the oft-disputed Alfred Kinsey study.
> >>
> >>
> >>But out of courtesy for their concerns, are there other esteemed elites
> >>drawing the same conclusions? Contrary to the homosexual assertion that
> >>heterosexual molestations outnumber those committed by homosexuals,
> >>Yale and Harvard-connected psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover states that
> >>"careful studies show that pedophilia is far more common among
> >>homosexuals than heterosexuals." Satinover adds, "The greater absolute
> >>number of heterosexual cases reflects the fact that heterosexual males
> >>outnumber homosexual males by approximately 36 to 1. Heterosexual child
> >>molestation cases outnumber homosexual cases by only 11 to 1, implying
> >>that pedophilia is more than three times more common among
> >>homosexuals."
> >>
> >>So considering the fact that this type of sexual interest is shown by
> >>studies to occur more often in homosexual populations, is it any
> >>surprise that Mark Foley admitted he himself was molested as a teenager
> >>by a clergyman?
> >>
> >>According to a report by Gregory Rogers featured on the website for the
> >>National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, such
> >>issues raise "immediate questions ... should gay priests be allowed
> >>access to Sunday Schools or youth groups?" Instead of asking that
> >>question, however, the liberal cohorts shift the spotlight off the
> >>homosexuals themselves and onto the church as a whole, just as they're
> >>now doing with the Republicans even though they themselves have a
> >>stained record in this regard.
> >>
> >>While pointing their fingers at Republicans, who may have overlooked
> >>gross evil while focusing on political gain, liberals overlook a
> >>tremendous evil themselves by ignoring the truth about homosexual
> >>behavior. They fail to speak out for the innocent children caught in
> >>the path of a rabid homosexual agenda fueled by wounded people who
> >>refuse to change.
> >>
> >>The truth is that the majority of Republicans oppose same-sex marriage
> >>and the insertion of homosexual dogma into schools, while most
> >>Democrats support it.
> >>
> >>As David Kupelian states in his groundbreaking best seller "The
> >>Marketing of Evil," "The end game is not only to bring about the
> >>complete acceptance of homosexuality, including same-sex marriage, but
> >>also to prohibit and even criminalize public criticism of
> >>homosexuality."
> >>
> >>And all of this at the expense of our children.
> >>
> >>
> >>http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52330
> >
> >
>
> Nice strawman rant you got going there. Where'd you get it? From
> Limbaugh's daily list of talking points perhaps? The fact remains that
> the republican leadership knew of Foley's proclivitey for underage boys
> and covered it up for years.
>
> Your post is full of crap and laced with bigotry. This mindset which has
> infested the GOP is why I dropped my support of the GOP and became an
> independent.
>
> This is the 21st century. Please keep your racist, bigotted, dark-ages
> mentallity to yourself. It has no place in an enlightened America.



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Is the "Enlightened" America you speak of really a queer America ?
Homosexuality is queer - any way you look at it !! I refuse to
sacrifice a nice word ,"Gay" ,out of my vocabulary to describe
something dirty and immoral !!!
Politician or otherwise the queers need to be shut down ; rather than
put into schoolbooks ,etc.
Yeah !! RUSH is my idol - NOT some queer liberal socialist democrat
!!!!!!

************************************************** ************************************************** ******

[Ubiquitous]

wrote:
>bobandcarole wrote:

>> The truth about 'gay' pedophilia

And this is related to this newsfroup because?

--
It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.

[stonej]

Ubiquitous wrote:
> wrote:
> >bobandcarole wrote:
>
> >> The truth about 'gay' pedophilia
>
> And this is related to this newsfroup because?
>
> --
> It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
> the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
> our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
> for them, it's failing.


Well, the story is all over the TV screen and this newsgroup is about
TV.
So, what is the problem?

Of course, if Foley was a democrat Ubiquitous would be on here talking
about it
extensively. We all know that of course. :)

[Stick Waver]

Ubiquitous wrote:

> wrote:
>
>>bobandcarole wrote:
>
>
>>>The truth about 'gay' pedophilia
>
>
> And this is related to this newsfroup because?
>

So... this means you've given up OT political threads?

[Stella Starr]

Yup. This monster's the plague of a lot of newsgroups.
Give 'em a thorough ignoring.

Richard Riley wrote:

>
> That's just for THIS copy of this message. There are probably others.

[Montblack[_1_]]

("Stella Starr" wrote)
> Yup. This monster's the plague of a lot of newsgroups.
> Give 'em a thorough ignoring.


Only RAH retained
(Yes, you've been knuckle-rapped)

The plague of a lot of newsgroups is... a lot of newsgroups!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065969/
The Last Valley (1971)


Montblack
alt.politics.homosexuality ....who knew?

[Barnyard BOb]

On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 03:45:59 -0500, (Ubiquitous)
wrote:

>It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
>the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
>our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
>for them, it's failing.

There are none so blind as to those that will not see.

Americans are alarmed about the moral condition of their society
today. Many in the liberal half of America worry that the political
right has been taken over by amoral forces that pretend to be
righteous while indulging a lust for power and wealth. Many
conservative Americans fear that America's moral integrity is being
eroded by an "anything goes" culture that's fostered by contemporary
liberalism.

Both these worries are well-founded. Each side of America's political
and cultural divide is challenged to overcome its moral blindspot.

http://www.nonesoblind.org/

[solarsell]

Hate mongers are experts at perverting, twisting & inventing "facts" to fit
their bigotry. If you look at credible OBJECTIVE studies the FACT is
heterosexuals are not more likely to be child molestors than homosexuals.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html


Some conservative groups have argued that scientific research strongly
supports their claims that homosexuality and pedophilia are linked. The
Family Research Council has produced what is perhaps the most extensive
attempt to document this claim. It is an article by Timothy J. Dailey titled
Homosexuality and Child Abuse.

With 76 footnotes, many of them referring to papers in scientific journals,
it appears at first glance to be a thorough and scholarly discussion of the
issue. On further examination, however, its central argument - that "the
evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly
disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls" -
doesn't hold up.



Conclusion

The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any more
likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to argue that
homosexual and bisexual men never molest children. But there is no
scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than heterosexual
men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be
characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all; they are fixated
on children.

[Strife767]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:38:42 -0400, solarsell > wrote:

> Hate mongers are experts at perverting, twisting & inventing "facts" to
> fit
> their bigotry. If you look at credible OBJECTIVE studies the FACT is
> heterosexuals are not more likely to be child molestors than homosexuals.
>
> http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

I think you meant to say "homosexuals are not more likely to be child
molestors than heterosexuals."

But in fact, it seems likely that heterosexuals _do_ molest children at
(at least) a slightly higher rate than homosexuals, according to these:

"Researchers estimate that between 96 to 100 percent of accused abusers
are recognizably heterosexual." --"Are Children at Risk for Sexual Abuse
by Homosexuals?" Pediatrics. vol. 94, no. 1

"The belief that homosexuals are particularly attracted to children is
completely unsupported by our data. The child offenders who engaged in
adult
relationships as well, were heterosexuals. There were no homosexual adult
oriented offenders in our samples who turned to children." --A. Nicholas
Groth, Ph.D., Director of the Sex Offender Program, Connecticut Department
of Corrections, and Co-Director of the St. Joseph College Institute for
the Treatment and Control of Child Sexual Abuse

> Some conservative groups have argued that scientific research strongly
> supports their claims that homosexuality and pedophilia are linked. The
> Family Research Council has produced what is perhaps the most extensive
> attempt to document this claim. It is an article by Timothy J. Dailey
> titled
> Homosexuality and Child Abuse.
>
> With 76 footnotes, many of them referring to papers in scientific
> journals,
> it appears at first glance to be a thorough and scholarly discussion of
> the
> issue. On further examination, however, its central argument - that "the
> evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly
> disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls" -
> doesn't hold up.
>
>
>
> Conclusion
>
> The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any
> more
> likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to argue
> that
> homosexual and bisexual men never molest children. But there is no
> scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than
> heterosexual
> men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be
> characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all; they are
> fixated
> on children.
>
>



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