SSA-OLC Generation 2.0

[Doug Haluza]

This is cross posted from the SSA Home > News & Information > General
News, It is specific to the US, but generally applicable as well. The
original post is avaliable at:

http://www.ssa.org/society/ListNewsArticleDtl.asp?id=492

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Dear OLC participants,

On Monday October 9th, the aerokurier Online Contest 2006 year will
end. From Tuesday October 10th, flight claims will be scored in the OLC
2007. The start of the new competition year will also mark the release
of OLC generation 2.0!

Here's a sneak peak at the new user interface:

http://www.ssa.org/newsimages/index_2.0_061003.jpg

The complete architecture of the OLC program and the user interface
have been changed in OLC generation 2.0. The change-over to a modern
system was necessary, because the old program could not keep up with
the explosive growth of the OLC. To make OLC generation 2.0 the best it
could be, a software engineering firm was brought in to help with their
special know-how.

One of the big changes for 2007 is a much simpler flight claim process.
This will really help the OLC continue to grow by making flight claims
almost effortless. Your takeoff airfield will be automatically selected
from the IGC file, and there is no need to enter the region. You won't
have to wait for your browser to load and parse the entire drop-down
list of 13,000 US airfields; the most likely airfield will be selected,
and only a small number of alternates are loaded if needed. Also, start
and end times are automatically selected, and the turnpoint
optimization is completely automatic as well.

The new OLC generation 2.0 has been completely redesigned to be more
user friendly. Hopefully the transition will be smooth, with minimal
problems. If you do have difficulties with the new interface, don't
worry. The submission deadlines for flight claims with technical
difficulties will be waived, as long as the problem is reported by
email before the 2400 Tuesday deadline. The submission deadline is now
2400 local time on Tuesday, instead of 2400Z, to give US pilots more
time to submit their claims.

Some of the many helpful suggestions received have been implemented in
the new OLC generation 2.0. Some more will be implemented later in the
year.Please understand that it was not possible to implement them all,
but your input is still appreciated, so keep the suggestions coming.
Not all functions of the new OLC generation 2.0 will be enabled on the
initial roll out, and will instead be phased in over time, so please be
patient.

Remember that you will need to update your pilot registration
information for 2007, but you can do it after you make your first
claim. Please check your registration email address, so we can contact
you if you have a problem with a claim. Make sure you chose the correct
club affiliation, so you can participate in the IGC-OLC World League
2007. While you are at it, help sign up a friend as well!

If you prefer to use flight analysis software to make automatic claims,
note that you will need to install a patch to make claims to the OLC
2007. Check your software vendor's web site for the OLC update. Make
sure you also download and use the most up-to-date analysis software
version available. You should also check with your logger vendor to
make sure you have the latest revision of the internal firmware and
download software to avoid unnecessary logger validation problems.

The OLC is still the worlds largest decentralized soaring contest, and
continues to grow thanks to your support. Please help up make it even
bigger and better in 2007!

Doug Haluza
SSA-OLC Admin

[W.J. \(Bill\) Dean \(U.K.\).]

I have the good luck to fly in the UK, and we have our own excellent ladder,
the BGA National Ladder http://www.bgaladder.co.uk/ . Most pilots in the
UK post to this and not to the OLC.

The BGA ladder rule as to time of posting is as follows:

" 13. Details of each flight must be submitted, either online by the
pilot or via the Club Ladder Steward, within 14 days of the flight taking
place. Full details of flights, including GPS Logger evidence when
available, must be submitted to the National Ladder Steward within 14 days
of being requested. A 10% penalty will be imposed for late entries."

This seems to work well, I am not aware of any complaints.

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.).
Remove "ic" to reply.

>
> "Doug Haluza" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
> This is cross posted from the SSA Home > News & Information > General
> News, It is specific to the US, but generally applicable as well. The
> original post is available at:
>
> http://www.ssa.org/society/ListNewsArticleDtl.asp?id=492
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Dear OLC participants,
>
> On Monday October 9th, the aerokurier Online Contest 2006 year will
> end. From Tuesday October 10th, flight claims will be scored in the OLC
> 2007. The start of the new competition year will also mark the release
> of OLC generation 2.0!
>
> Here's a sneak peak at the new user interface:
>
> http://www.ssa.org/newsimages/index_2.0_061003.jpg
>
> The complete architecture of the OLC program and the user interface
> have been changed in OLC generation 2.0. The change-over to a modern
> system was necessary, because the old program could not keep up with
> the explosive growth of the OLC. To make OLC generation 2.0 the best it
> could be, a software engineering firm was brought in to help with their
> special know-how.
>
> One of the big changes for 2007 is a much simpler flight claim process.
> This will really help the OLC continue to grow by making flight claims
> almost effortless. Your takeoff airfield will be automatically selected
> from the IGC file, and there is no need to enter the region. You won't
> have to wait for your browser to load and parse the entire drop-down
> list of 13,000 US airfields; the most likely airfield will be selected,
> and only a small number of alternates are loaded if needed. Also, start
> and end times are automatically selected, and the turnpoint
> optimization is completely automatic as well.
>
> The new OLC generation 2.0 has been completely redesigned to be more
> user friendly. Hopefully the transition will be smooth, with minimal
> problems. If you do have difficulties with the new interface, don't
> worry. The submission deadlines for flight claims with technical
> difficulties will be waived, as long as the problem is reported by
> email before the 2400 Tuesday deadline. The submission deadline is now
> 2400 local time on Tuesday, instead of 2400Z, to give US pilots more
> time to submit their claims.
>
> Some of the many helpful suggestions received have been implemented in
> the new OLC generation 2.0. Some more will be implemented later in the
> year.Please understand that it was not possible to implement them all,
> but your input is still appreciated, so keep the suggestions coming.
> Not all functions of the new OLC generation 2.0 will be enabled on the
> initial roll out, and will instead be phased in over time, so please be
> patient.
>
> Remember that you will need to update your pilot registration
> information for 2007, but you can do it after you make your first
> claim. Please check your registration email address, so we can contact
> you if you have a problem with a claim. Make sure you chose the correct
> club affiliation, so you can participate in the IGC-OLC World League
> 2007. While you are at it, help sign up a friend as well!
>
> If you prefer to use flight analysis software to make automatic claims,
> note that you will need to install a patch to make claims to the OLC
> 2007. Check your software vendor's web site for the OLC update. Make
> sure you also download and use the most up-to-date analysis software
> version available. You should also check with your logger vendor to
> make sure you have the latest revision of the internal firmware and
> download software to avoid unnecessary logger validation problems.
>
> The OLC is still the worlds largest decentralized soaring contest, and
> continues to grow thanks to your support. Please help up make it even
> bigger and better in 2007!
>
> Doug Haluza
> SSA-OLC Admin
>

[Doug Haluza]

The following notice has also been posted to the OLC 2007 site:

Thuesday October 10, 2006

Dear glider pilots,

With the recent growth of the OLC it became necessary to rework the
current design of the software used. With the start of the new OLC
season we introduce the OLC-Generation 2.0. OLC-Generation 2.0 is a
total new system and vastly different from the current OLC Software.
For those of you interested in the technical terms, OLC 2.0 uses
technologies like Spring Framework with JSP, Servlet, Hybernate, Java
Beans, Spring Web Flow. Another key signature is the modular structure
of the whole system.

The main work for the new OLC 2.0 Software has been done by 5 volunteer
programmers who all have their normal jobs in the IT sector. In
addition to this we have been able to assure the support of a software
engineering bureau which we see as important to give the OLC Software
further stability.

The OLC 2.0 is now a more professional and reliable system, running
almost independent from the intervention of the members of the OLC
team.

The current functionality of the OLC will be the same and the migration
to OLC 2.0 will be step by step. Thank you for you patience with any
potential problems during this transition.
As always we welcome your feedback in regards of errors or functional
problems. Please email your feedback to:

The OLC team is looking forward to the successful implementation of the
new OLC Software.

Your OLC/Segelflugszene team

[Doug Haluza]

One of the goals of the OLC is to be a real-time information system, so
pilots are encouraged to post their flights as soon as possible. We
like to be able to see what other pilots did on a given day that same
night. It's really exciting to see what people did at other nearby
airfields while your flight experience is still current.

Hopefully the new OLC Generation 2.0 interface will make it easy for
British pilots to post to both the OLC and the BGA ladder. The two
systems can be complementary, and it's unfortunate that the UK is
underrepresented in the OLC, and not participating at all in the
IGC-OLC World League.

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). wrote:
> I have the good luck to fly in the UK, and we have our own excellent ladder,
> the BGA National Ladder http://www.bgaladder.co.uk/ . Most pilots in the
> UK post to this and not to the OLC.
>
> The BGA ladder rule as to time of posting is as follows:
>
> " 13. Details of each flight must be submitted, either online by the
> pilot or via the Club Ladder Steward, within 14 days of the flight taking
> place. Full details of flights, including GPS Logger evidence when
> available, must be submitted to the National Ladder Steward within 14 days
> of being requested. A 10% penalty will be imposed for late entries."
>
> This seems to work well, I am not aware of any complaints.
>
> W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.).
> Remove "ic" to reply.
>

[Jeremy Zawodny]

Doug Haluza wrote:
> One of the goals of the OLC is to be a real-time information system, so
> pilots are encouraged to post their flights as soon as possible. We
> like to be able to see what other pilots did on a given day that same
> night. It's really exciting to see what people did at other nearby
> airfields while your flight experience is still current.

Will the new OLC remove the capcha that's currently required to download
an IGC file (including my own!)?

Jeremy

[Doug Haluza]

The capcha (random text) entry was not needed to download a file on the
beta version I tested. There are no flights posted yet on the release
version which just went up, so I can't test it now, but I expect that
it will be possible to download files without capcha for now.

Jeremy Zawodny wrote:
> Doug Haluza wrote:
> > One of the goals of the OLC is to be a real-time information system, so
> > pilots are encouraged to post their flights as soon as possible. We
> > like to be able to see what other pilots did on a given day that same
> > night. It's really exciting to see what people did at other nearby
> > airfields while your flight experience is still current.
>
> Will the new OLC remove the capcha that's currently required to download
> an IGC file (including my own!)?
>
> Jeremy

[chris]

Doug Haluza wrote:
> One of the goals of the OLC is to be a real-time information system, so
> pilots are encouraged to post their flights as soon as possible. We
> like to be able to see what other pilots did on a given day that same
> night. It's really exciting to see what people did at other nearby
> airfields while your flight experience is still current.

Well then if that is a goal you have a bad failure. If I fly on
Wednesday I have until the following Tuesday to submit the flight. If
I make a long flight on Tuesday and have a long retrieve I cannot make
it back to an internet connection in a remote area by midnight. Sounds
hypothetical? Nope has happened to me in Marfa.

The Tuesday deadline it downright stupid and unproductive. Why not
have a 72 hour limit or at least 24 hours after landing? It is dumb
that the deadline is different for every day of the week with the
current system.

The OLC team says that the Tuesday deadline is required for them to get
published in local news outlets - that is not relevent for us. Why
penalize pilots who fly in the remote areas where soaring is the best
and the internet connections are hardest to get?

Chris

[Eric Greenwell]

chris wrote:
..
>
> Well then if that is a goal you have a bad failure. If I fly on
> Wednesday I have until the following Tuesday to submit the flight. If
> I make a long flight on Tuesday and have a long retrieve I cannot make
> it back to an internet connection in a remote area by midnight. Sounds
> hypothetical? Nope has happened to me in Marfa.

A flight made on Tuesday has 7 days to be posted - the next Tuesday. The
rule is easily misinterpreted, as I did, until it was pointed out to me.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

"Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation website
www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html

"A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org

[Greg Arnold]

At present, if you fly on Saturday, you have until Tuesday evening to
get the flight posted. That is 3 days. I have not heard anyone
complain that (1) 3 days is not enough time to post, or (2) that 3 days
is too long to wait to see all the flights for a day. My conclusion: 3
days is just about ideal, so why not allow 3 days for all flights,
regardless of the day of the week?

I think the OLC people may not realize just how remote you are when you
are flying at, say, Tonopah in Nevada. If you are camping out at the
airport while there, you have no access to any internet connection
unless you have a friend staying at a motel in town (5 to 10 miles
away). Posting a Monday flight by Tuesday evening can be nearly
impossible -- especially if you land out in a remote valley at the end
of a 50 mile dirt road, and the nearest farmhouse is 30 miles away.
Even under those circumstances, however, you probably will be back to
civilization within the next 3 days.

In a related OLC matter, the new OLC interface has been online at times
today (click 2007 on the 2006 page). I notice that the US version is
written in German; it has no breakdown of flights by week or US region;
and almost a quarter of the screen is taken up by OLC news in German
(maybe they could put the advertising there, freeing up space at the top
of the page for flight info). Earlier today there were some links that
didn't go anywhere -- either they have been fixed or I can't find them
now.

Perhaps OLC should use the old interface until the new one is perfected?
I can't think of any reason why the new interface needs to be
implemented on the first day of the new OLC year (tomorrow).


chris wrote:
> Doug Haluza wrote:
>> One of the goals of the OLC is to be a real-time information system, so
>> pilots are encouraged to post their flights as soon as possible. We
>> like to be able to see what other pilots did on a given day that same
>> night. It's really exciting to see what people did at other nearby
>> airfields while your flight experience is still current.
>
> Well then if that is a goal you have a bad failure. If I fly on
> Wednesday I have until the following Tuesday to submit the flight. If
> I make a long flight on Tuesday and have a long retrieve I cannot make
> it back to an internet connection in a remote area by midnight. Sounds
> hypothetical? Nope has happened to me in Marfa.
>
> The Tuesday deadline it downright stupid and unproductive. Why not
> have a 72 hour limit or at least 24 hours after landing? It is dumb
> that the deadline is different for every day of the week with the
> current system.
>
> The OLC team says that the Tuesday deadline is required for them to get
> published in local news outlets - that is not relevent for us. Why
> penalize pilots who fly in the remote areas where soaring is the best
> and the internet connections are hardest to get?
>
> Chris
>

[Eric Greenwell]

Greg Arnold wrote:

> I think the OLC people may not realize just how remote you are when you
> are flying at, say, Tonopah in Nevada. If you are camping out at the
> airport while there, you have no access to any internet connection
> unless you have a friend staying at a motel in town (5 to 10 miles
> away).

While I think the 3 day idea is reasonable, Internet access at Tonapah
may be easier than you think. Last time I was there, the airport office
had a phone, so you could use dialup access. It's available free or very
cheaply (I had one for $5/month, used to have a free one) for low usage
people.

I recently dropped the dialup because open (no password) wireless
signals are available at so many motels, restaurants, fast food places,
coffee houses, book stores, city librarys, and even rest areas, that
dialup doesn't seem worthwhile any more. Just parking outside the
motel/whatever in the motorhome or car with your laptop for a few
minutes will put your flight on the OLC - no need for friends in a
motel! When we use motels, we do favor the motel chains whose wireless
we used while in the motorhome.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

"Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation website
www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html

"A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org

[Bert Willing]

Real-time depending on what day of the week it is. For a flight on
Wednesday, I have 6 days time to submit, on a Tuesday, I have a couple of
hours if I'm lucky.

This Tuesday rule is complete bull****. Something like 3-5 days would make
sense.

"Doug Haluza" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> One of the goals of the OLC is to be a real-time information system, so
> pilots are encouraged to post their flights as soon as possible. We
> like to be able to see what other pilots did on a given day that same
> night. It's really exciting to see what people did at other nearby
> airfields while your flight experience is still current.
>
> Hopefully the new OLC Generation 2.0 interface will make it easy for
> British pilots to post to both the OLC and the BGA ladder. The two
> systems can be complementary, and it's unfortunate that the UK is
> underrepresented in the OLC, and not participating at all in the
> IGC-OLC World League.
>
> W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). wrote:
>> I have the good luck to fly in the UK, and we have our own excellent
>> ladder,
>> the BGA National Ladder http://www.bgaladder.co.uk/ . Most pilots in
>> the
>> UK post to this and not to the OLC.
>>
>> The BGA ladder rule as to time of posting is as follows:
>>
>> " 13. Details of each flight must be submitted, either online by
>> the
>> pilot or via the Club Ladder Steward, within 14 days of the flight taking
>> place. Full details of flights, including GPS Logger evidence when
>> available, must be submitted to the National Ladder Steward within 14
>> days
>> of being requested. A 10% penalty will be imposed for late entries."
>>
>> This seems to work well, I am not aware of any complaints.
>>
>> W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.).
>> Remove "ic" to reply.
>>
>

[Paul Remde]

Hi Bert,

If you fly on Tuesday, you have until the following Tuesday at midnight to
submit the flight.

Paul Remde

"Bert Willing" > wrote in message
...
> Real-time depending on what day of the week it is. For a flight on
> Wednesday, I have 6 days time to submit, on a Tuesday, I have a couple of
> hours if I'm lucky.
>
> This Tuesday rule is complete bull****. Something like 3-5 days would make
> sense.
>
> "Doug Haluza" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> One of the goals of the OLC is to be a real-time information system, so
>> pilots are encouraged to post their flights as soon as possible. We
>> like to be able to see what other pilots did on a given day that same
>> night. It's really exciting to see what people did at other nearby
>> airfields while your flight experience is still current.
>>
>> Hopefully the new OLC Generation 2.0 interface will make it easy for
>> British pilots to post to both the OLC and the BGA ladder. The two
>> systems can be complementary, and it's unfortunate that the UK is
>> underrepresented in the OLC, and not participating at all in the
>> IGC-OLC World League.
>>
>> W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). wrote:
>>> I have the good luck to fly in the UK, and we have our own excellent
>>> ladder,
>>> the BGA National Ladder http://www.bgaladder.co.uk/ . Most pilots in
>>> the
>>> UK post to this and not to the OLC.
>>>
>>> The BGA ladder rule as to time of posting is as follows:
>>>
>>> " 13. Details of each flight must be submitted, either online by
>>> the
>>> pilot or via the Club Ladder Steward, within 14 days of the flight
>>> taking
>>> place. Full details of flights, including GPS Logger evidence when
>>> available, must be submitted to the National Ladder Steward within 14
>>> days
>>> of being requested. A 10% penalty will be imposed for late entries."
>>>
>>> This seems to work well, I am not aware of any complaints.
>>>
>>> W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.).
>>> Remove "ic" to reply.
>>>
>>
>
>

[Jack[_1_]]

Bert Willing wrote:
> Real-time depending on what day of the week it is. For a flight on
> Wednesday, I have 6 days time to submit, on a Tuesday, I have a couple of
> hours if I'm lucky.
>
> This Tuesday rule is complete bull****. Something like 3-5 days would make
> sense.


A three-day minimum would make a lot of sense. However, if you fly on
Tuesday you have until the _following_ Tuesday to post your flight.


Jack

[Doug Haluza]

Bert Willing wrote:
> Real-time depending on what day of the week it is. For a flight on
> Wednesday, I have 6 days time to submit, on a Tuesday, I have a couple of
> hours if I'm lucky.
>
> This Tuesday rule is complete bull****. Something like 3-5 days would make
> sense.

Actually, the worst case is a flight on Monday--Tuesday flights have
until the following Tuesday. We did ask OLC for more time to claim, and
they agreed to move the deadline to Midnight local instead of 2400z.
But since the US has time zones all the way to the International Date
Line, in reality you should have until 1200z on Wed for US claims. So
in the worst case, you should have about 36 hours after a Monday flight
to claim. Sunday flights have about 60 hours and so on.

Also, we asked that the OLC accept claims after the deadline, but with
zero score. This appeared to be implemented in the beta test last week.
So we should be able to administratively approve late claims. Just put
a note in the pilot comment field to briefly explain the hardship, and
send a note to olc<at>ssa<dot>org.

[SAM 303a]

I support the call for a 3 day window to submit.

I also call for the SSA OLC "season" to be extended to the end of October or
simply be made a calendar year contest.. September is a good month in Texas
and the Soaring Club of Houston has it's XC Camp the same week as the Labor
Day holiday. TSA does a lot of flying that week too.

[Doug Haluza]

SAM 303a wrote:
> I support the call for a 3 day window to submit.
>
> I also call for the SSA OLC "season" to be extended to the end of October or
> simply be made a calendar year contest.. September is a good month in Texas
> and the Soaring Club of Houston has it's XC Camp the same week as the Labor
> Day holiday. TSA does a lot of flying that week too.

You need to remember that the OLC is a worldwide contest. The eatly
October start was picked to be between the Northern and Southern Summer
seasons. If you look at the OLC Worldwide scores, you will see that the
Aussies are coming out of hibernation.

[Ramy]

I dunno, while it looks promissing, it doesn't seems to be ready even
for a beta test, no maps etc. Shouldn't the old and familiar interface
be available at least for a while in parallel until all the bugs are
sorted out?
Just my humble opinion, no flames please...

Ramy

Doug Haluza wrote:
> The following notice has also been posted to the OLC 2007 site:
>
> Thuesday October 10, 2006
>
> Dear glider pilots,
>
> With the recent growth of the OLC it became necessary to rework the
> current design of the software used. With the start of the new OLC
> season we introduce the OLC-Generation 2.0. OLC-Generation 2.0 is a
> total new system and vastly different from the current OLC Software.
> For those of you interested in the technical terms, OLC 2.0 uses
> technologies like Spring Framework with JSP, Servlet, Hybernate, Java
> Beans, Spring Web Flow. Another key signature is the modular structure
> of the whole system.
>
> The main work for the new OLC 2.0 Software has been done by 5 volunteer
> programmers who all have their normal jobs in the IT sector. In
> addition to this we have been able to assure the support of a software
> engineering bureau which we see as important to give the OLC Software
> further stability.
>
> The OLC 2.0 is now a more professional and reliable system, running
> almost independent from the intervention of the members of the OLC
> team.
>
> The current functionality of the OLC will be the same and the migration
> to OLC 2.0 will be step by step. Thank you for you patience with any
> potential problems during this transition.
> As always we welcome your feedback in regards of errors or functional
> problems. Please email your feedback to:
>
> The OLC team is looking forward to the successful implementation of the
> new OLC Software.
>
> Your OLC/Segelflugszene team

[Doug Haluza]

OLC 2.0 is a completely new architecture, so there is no simple
migration path. We just have to work through the problems. Top priority
is getting flight claims in, so please report any related problems, and
remember we will waive the deadline if you report the problem. Don't
worry about problems displaying the data for now, this is lower
priority.

Several unexpected bugs have cropped up. There were problems with
birthdates getting reduced by one day, some missing clubs, duplicate
entries in the database, and a really strange one because Korea was not
in the country database. These have been fixed, but there still is a
known problem with the optimization. The OLC team is working very hard
on these issues. I just had a chat with Martin, who is working past
midnight local time. So please bear with us during the transition.

Ramy wrote:
> I dunno, while it looks promissing, it doesn't seems to be ready even
> for a beta test, no maps etc. Shouldn't the old and familiar interface
> be available at least for a while in parallel until all the bugs are
> sorted out?
> Just my humble opinion, no flames please...
>
> Ramy
>

[chris]

I made a flight claim for both Friday and Saturday. One went to
OLC-Classic and the other FAI-OLC. I guess the OLC website decided how
to score them but I did not want the one to be scored as a triangle as
it is a small triangle and much longer as a classic.

see this flight
http://www3.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?flightId=1320715489

It is scored as 118 points for FAI, but if it were scored as Classic it
would be 164 points.


Do we get to choose how it is scored?

Does it pick the higher score for us?

Can I change a claim?

Chris

[5Z]

On Oct 15, 7:58 pm, "chris" > wrote:
> Do we get to choose how it is scored?

Chris, there are two tabs on that display. One for OLC-Classic and the
other FAI. Both flights show up there.

It seems that currently the daily summaries are not working very well
so some flights may not apear in both contests. I just looked at club
statistics, for example and several US clubs show up in the worldwide
list, but nothing shows up when selecting just USA.

So I think we just need to submit our flights and be patient as various
details are ironed out.

-Tom

[5Z]

On Oct 9, 1:32 am, "Doug Haluza" > wrote:
> Some of the many helpful suggestions received have been implemented in
> the new OLC generation 2.0. Some more will be implemented later in the
> year.Please understand that it was not possible to implement them all,
> but your input is still appreciated, so keep the suggestions coming.
> Not all functions of the new OLC generation 2.0 will be enabled on the
> initial roll out, and will instead be phased in over time, so please be
> patient.

So how and where should we provide feedback. Don't seem so be able to
find an obvious feedback link on the website itself. I also feel an
open discussion forum is the best for feedback so other users can see
what has already been reported and to provide reinforcement for new
features or to help with problems being encountered.

I finally flew yseterday in our club's ASK-21 and managed a bit over
50km for a scorable claim.

THe first thing that surprised me was that my 60 point flight, claimed
after 5pm in the western USA, was the first flight of the day in the
WORLD! Today, I only see 7 (SEVEN!) claims worldwide for Sunday,
October 15!

What is odd, is that the date on OLC is actually the 16th. Granted,
the claim was made on the 16th UTC, but the flight occurred on the 15th
per all normal interpretation of the date.

So the first question I have is whether there really were this few
submittals, or did a lot of flights not yet get scored.

-Tom

[jcarlyle]

I also posted a Sunday flight to the OLC. Besides echoing Tom's date
and feedback comments, I experienced a scoring problem.

I landed out yesterday, so in SeeYou I highlighted only the first
portion of the flight recorder trace. SeeYou made an OLC file, which I
saved and manually posted (as described in the SeeYou forum). However,
OLC Rev 2 scored the whole flight, aerotow retrieve and all!

This problem never arose in the 2006 version of OLC, but then, again
SeeYou also took care of the posting automatically.

Questions
1. Is the improper scoring due to SeeYou, or to OLC?
2. How do I manually fix the problem?

-John

[Bob Gibbons]

Did this interface really go though beta testing??

I've been using the OLC for many years with no problem. Granted the
old interface had it problems, particularily for modifying an existing
claim. But this new interface appears cumbersome, non-intuitive, and
just plain broken.

I can not even find a way to change the date on the top calendar that
seems to constantly show tomorrow's date. Clicking on the desired date
on the calendar has no apparent effect.

For US flights, I'm using;
http://www3.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/olcscore.html?country=US

Bob

[Greg Arnold]

Bob Gibbons wrote:
> Did this interface really go though beta testing??
>
> I've been using the OLC for many years with no problem. Granted the
> old interface had it problems, particularily for modifying an existing
> claim. But this new interface appears cumbersome, non-intuitive, and
> just plain broken.

Worst webpage I have ever seen. It is unclear why they couldn't have
continued to use the old page while they developed a workable version of
the new one. Fortunately, they still have 51 weeks to get it fixed.

> I can not even find a way to change the date on the top calendar that
> seems to constantly show tomorrow's date. Clicking on the desired date
> on the calendar has no apparent effect.
>
> For US flights, I'm using;
> http://www3.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/olcscore.html?country=US
>
> Bob

[hans]

In a few weeks you will know how to use this new design, after all you
managed to use my old design ;-)

Greg Arnold schrieb:
> Bob Gibbons wrote:
>> Did this interface really go though beta testing??
>>
>> I've been using the OLC for many years with no problem. Granted the
>> old interface had it problems, particularily for modifying an existing
>> claim. But this new interface appears cumbersome, non-intuitive, and
>> just plain broken.
>
> Worst webpage I have ever seen. It is unclear why they couldn't have
> continued to use the old page while they developed a workable version of
> the new one. Fortunately, they still have 51 weeks to get it fixed.
>
>> I can not even find a way to change the date on the top calendar that
>> seems to constantly show tomorrow's date. Clicking on the desired date
>> on the calendar has no apparent effect.
>>
>> For US flights, I'm using;
>> http://www3.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/olcscore.html?country=US
>>
>> Bob

[Greg Arnold]

Your old design at least displayed the OLC standings for the USA.

hans wrote:
> In a few weeks you will know how to use this new design, after all you
> managed to use my old design ;-)
>
> Greg Arnold schrieb:
>> Bob Gibbons wrote:
>>> Did this interface really go though beta testing??
>>>
>>> I've been using the OLC for many years with no problem. Granted the
>>> old interface had it problems, particularily for modifying an existing
>>> claim. But this new interface appears cumbersome, non-intuitive, and
>>> just plain broken.
>>
>> Worst webpage I have ever seen. It is unclear why they couldn't have
>> continued to use the old page while they developed a workable version
>> of the new one. Fortunately, they still have 51 weeks to get it fixed.
>>
>>> I can not even find a way to change the date on the top calendar that
>>> seems to constantly show tomorrow's date. Clicking on the desired date
>>> on the calendar has no apparent effect.
>>>
>>> For US flights, I'm using;
>>> http://www3.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/olcscore.html?country=US
>>>
>>> Bob

[Ramy]

Hans, Your old main page design was fine (except that mysterious non
labeled checkbox on the left which actually allows further slicing of
the data). The problem was with the claim form and the claiming
process. That's all that needed to be fixed IMHO...

Thanks for your great contribution,

Ramy

hans wrote:
> In a few weeks you will know how to use this new design, after all you
> managed to use my old design ;-)
>
> Greg Arnold schrieb:
> > Bob Gibbons wrote:
> >> Did this interface really go though beta testing??
> >>
> >> I've been using the OLC for many years with no problem. Granted the
> >> old interface had it problems, particularily for modifying an existing
> >> claim. But this new interface appears cumbersome, non-intuitive, and
> >> just plain broken.
> >
> > Worst webpage I have ever seen. It is unclear why they couldn't have
> > continued to use the old page while they developed a workable version of
> > the new one. Fortunately, they still have 51 weeks to get it fixed.
> >
> >> I can not even find a way to change the date on the top calendar that
> >> seems to constantly show tomorrow's date. Clicking on the desired date
> >> on the calendar has no apparent effect.
> >>
> >> For US flights, I'm using;
> >> http://www3.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/olcscore.html?country=US
> >>
> >> Bob