Re: Need proof of trainin in Air Force Base in VA in 1969 [Archive]

Charlie Wolf

October 10th 06, 07:58 PM

Can any of you regulars here in r.a.m.n. help with this request??

Or point him in the right direction?
Regards,

On 10 Oct 2006 11:09:34 -0700, "msvuh" >
wrote:

>My friend, Mr. Ho, is currently petitioning for resettlement in the US.
>In his last interview, he was asked to present a Certificate of
>Completion for a Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman in an Air Force
>Base in Virginia in 1969. Mr. Ho does not remember the name of the
>school. What he remembers is from the base to Washington D.C. it's
>about one day bus drive. Mr. Ho does not have any paperwork associated
>with the training he had in the US for that year as they were all
>burned in 1975 when South Vietnam collapsed for fear of persecution.
>
>I hope you can gear me to the right direction. If you need further
>information. Please contact me via email or
>telephone (310) 223-0370
>
>If this is not the right group to post this message, please provide a
>correct name of the group. I will not bother in the future.
>
>Toi hieu tieng Vietnam. Cam on.
>
>msvuh

Ogden Johnson III

October 10th 06, 09:23 PM

Charlie Wolf > wrote:

>Can any of you regulars here in r.a.m.n. help with this request??
>
>Or point him in the right direction?
>Regards,
>
>On 10 Oct 2006 11:09:34 -0700, "msvuh" >
>wrote:
>
>>My friend, Mr. Ho, is currently petitioning for resettlement in the US.
>>In his last interview, he was asked to present a Certificate of
>>Completion for a Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman in an Air Force
>>Base in Virginia in 1969. Mr. Ho does not remember the name of the
>>school. What he remembers is from the base to Washington D.C. it's
>>about one day bus drive. Mr. Ho does not have any paperwork associated
>>with the training he had in the US for that year as they were all
>>burned in 1975 when South Vietnam collapsed for fear of persecution.
>>
>>I hope you can gear me to the right direction. If you need further
>>information. Please contact me via email or
>>telephone (310) 223-0370
>>
>>If this is not the right group to post this message, please provide a
>>correct name of the group. I will not bother in the future.
>>
>>Toi hieu tieng Vietnam. Cam on.
>>
>>msvuh

If he's sure it was an Air Force Base, and in Virginia, then
Langley AFB is about the only choice. Down in the Hampton
Roads/Norfolk/Tidewater area, it is only a 3-, 4-hour max drive
from DC. Even the commercial bus doesn't take but about 5-,
5-1/2 hours. AFAIK, Langley has generally been about fighters
and R&D - missiles, mainly - and not helos. But there may be
some reason they could have done helo maintenance training there
during the VN war for some reason that would make sense only to
the Air Farce.

--
Ogden Johnson
(ne OJ III)
[Email to Yahoo address may be burned before reading.
Lower and dot the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]

Ed Rasimus[_1_]

October 10th 06, 10:47 PM

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:23:41 -0400, Ogden Johnson III
> wrote:

>Charlie Wolf > wrote:
>
>>Can any of you regulars here in r.a.m.n. help with this request??
>>
>>Or point him in the right direction?
>>Regards,
>>
>>On 10 Oct 2006 11:09:34 -0700, "msvuh" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>My friend, Mr. Ho, is currently petitioning for resettlement in the US.
>>>In his last interview, he was asked to present a Certificate of
>>>Completion for a Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman in an Air Force
>>>Base in Virginia in 1969. Mr. Ho does not remember the name of the
>>>school. What he remembers is from the base to Washington D.C. it's
>>>about one day bus drive. Mr. Ho does not have any paperwork associated
>>>with the training he had in the US for that year as they were all
>>>burned in 1975 when South Vietnam collapsed for fear of persecution.
>>>
>>>I hope you can gear me to the right direction. If you need further
>>>information. Please contact me via email or
>>>telephone (310) 223-0370
>>>
>>>If this is not the right group to post this message, please provide a
>>>correct name of the group. I will not bother in the future.
>>>
>>>Toi hieu tieng Vietnam. Cam on.
>>>
>>>msvuh
>
>If he's sure it was an Air Force Base, and in Virginia, then
>Langley AFB is about the only choice. Down in the Hampton
>Roads/Norfolk/Tidewater area, it is only a 3-, 4-hour max drive
>from DC. Even the commercial bus doesn't take but about 5-,
>5-1/2 hours. AFAIK, Langley has generally been about fighters
>and R&D - missiles, mainly - and not helos. But there may be
>some reason they could have done helo maintenance training there
>during the VN war for some reason that would make sense only to
>the Air Farce.

Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman? AF in 1969 had few helicopters.
Training for helo pilots had already moved to Ft. Wolters under the
Army. The term "Repairman" would never be used for a maintainer in the
USAF.

Maintenance school would be a "tech school" and all of those were
under Air Training Command at TTCs (Tech Training Centers)--places
like Lowry, Chanute, Lackland, Keesler. Certainly not at Langley and I
can't quickly think of another AF installation in VA.

If this guy were in the US, I might be thinking "wannabe".

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

Daryl Hunt

October 11th 06, 12:19 AM

"Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:23:41 -0400, Ogden Johnson III
> > wrote:
>
>>Charlie Wolf > wrote:
>>
>>>Can any of you regulars here in r.a.m.n. help with this request??
>>>
>>>Or point him in the right direction?
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>On 10 Oct 2006 11:09:34 -0700, "msvuh" >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>My friend, Mr. Ho, is currently petitioning for resettlement in the US.
>>>>In his last interview, he was asked to present a Certificate of
>>>>Completion for a Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman in an Air Force
>>>>Base in Virginia in 1969. Mr. Ho does not remember the name of the
>>>>school. What he remembers is from the base to Washington D.C. it's
>>>>about one day bus drive. Mr. Ho does not have any paperwork associated
>>>>with the training he had in the US for that year as they were all
>>>>burned in 1975 when South Vietnam collapsed for fear of persecution.
>>>>
>>>>I hope you can gear me to the right direction. If you need further
>>>>information. Please contact me via email or
>>>>telephone (310) 223-0370
>>>>
>>>>If this is not the right group to post this message, please provide a
>>>>correct name of the group. I will not bother in the future.
>>>>
>>>>Toi hieu tieng Vietnam. Cam on.
>>>>
>>>>msvuh
>>
>>If he's sure it was an Air Force Base, and in Virginia, then
>>Langley AFB is about the only choice. Down in the Hampton
>>Roads/Norfolk/Tidewater area, it is only a 3-, 4-hour max drive
>>from DC. Even the commercial bus doesn't take but about 5-,
>>5-1/2 hours. AFAIK, Langley has generally been about fighters
>>and R&D - missiles, mainly - and not helos. But there may be
>>some reason they could have done helo maintenance training there
>>during the VN war for some reason that would make sense only to
>>the Air Farce.
>
> Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman? AF in 1969 had few helicopters.
> Training for helo pilots had already moved to Ft. Wolters under the
> Army. The term "Repairman" would never be used for a maintainer in the
> USAF.

While I don't know enough to correct nor confirm your Helo training
locations, I do know that in 1969 and 1970, Specialtists were called
Repairmen.

>
> Maintenance school would be a "tech school" and all of those were
> under Air Training Command at TTCs (Tech Training Centers)--places
> like Lowry, Chanute, Lackland, Keesler. Certainly not at Langley and I
> can't quickly think of another AF installation in VA.
>
> If this guy were in the US, I might be thinking "wannabe".

The use of Repariman tells me he just might not be a wannbe.

BTW, Ed, you had repairman working on your F-4 and you survived(g)

>
> Ed Rasimus
> Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
> "When Thunder Rolled"
> www.thunderchief.org
> www.thundertales.blogspot.com

Steven P. McNicoll[_1_]

October 11th 06, 02:41 AM

"Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
...
>
> Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman? AF in 1969 had few helicopters.
> Training for helo pilots had already moved to Ft. Wolters under the
> Army. The term "Repairman" would never be used for a maintainer in the
> USAF.
>

In 1969 the USAF was training it's helicopter pilots at Sheppard AFB, and
did so until mid-1971 when the Army assumed that role at Fort Rucker.

>
> Maintenance school would be a "tech school" and all of those were
> under Air Training Command at TTCs (Tech Training Centers)--places
> like Lowry, Chanute, Lackland, Keesler. Certainly not at Langley and I
> can't quickly think of another AF installation in VA.
>

No other regular AF flying units, several ADC radar sites. The VA ANG at
Richmond was flying F-84Fs in 1969.

Tom in Macon

October 11th 06, 02:53 AM

"Daryl Hunt" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:23:41 -0400, Ogden Johnson III
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Charlie Wolf > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Can any of you regulars here in r.a.m.n. help with this request??
>>>>
>>>>Or point him in the right direction?
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>On 10 Oct 2006 11:09:34 -0700, "msvuh" >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>My friend, Mr. Ho, is currently petitioning for resettlement in the US.
>>>>>In his last interview, he was asked to present a Certificate of
>>>>>Completion for a Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman in an Air Force
>>>>>Base in Virginia in 1969. Mr. Ho does not remember the name of the
>>>>>school. What he remembers is from the base to Washington D.C. it's
>>>>>about one day bus drive. Mr. Ho does not have any paperwork associated
>>>>>with the training he had in the US for that year as they were all
>>>>>burned in 1975 when South Vietnam collapsed for fear of persecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>I hope you can gear me to the right direction. If you need further
>>>>>information. Please contact me via email or
>>>>>telephone (310) 223-0370
>>>>>
>>>>>If this is not the right group to post this message, please provide a
>>>>>correct name of the group. I will not bother in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>>Toi hieu tieng Vietnam. Cam on.
>>>>>
>>>>>msvuh
>>>
>>>If he's sure it was an Air Force Base, and in Virginia, then
>>>Langley AFB is about the only choice. Down in the Hampton
>>>Roads/Norfolk/Tidewater area, it is only a 3-, 4-hour max drive
>>>from DC. Even the commercial bus doesn't take but about 5-,
>>>5-1/2 hours. AFAIK, Langley has generally been about fighters
>>>and R&D - missiles, mainly - and not helos. But there may be
>>>some reason they could have done helo maintenance training there
>>>during the VN war for some reason that would make sense only to
>>>the Air Farce.
>>
>> Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman? AF in 1969 had few helicopters.
>> Training for helo pilots had already moved to Ft. Wolters under the
>> Army. The term "Repairman" would never be used for a maintainer in the
>> USAF.
>
> While I don't know enough to correct nor confirm your Helo training
> locations, I do know that in 1969 and 1970, Specialtists were called
> Repairmen.

And I attended the Ground Communications Equipment Repairman Course at
Keesler in 58 and 59.

>
>
>>
>> Maintenance school would be a "tech school" and all of those were
>> under Air Training Command at TTCs (Tech Training Centers)--places
>> like Lowry, Chanute, Lackland, Keesler. Certainly not at Langley and I
>> can't quickly think of another AF installation in VA.
>>
>> If this guy were in the US, I might be thinking "wannabe".
>
> The use of Repariman tells me he just might not be a wannbe.
>
> BTW, Ed, you had repairman working on your F-4 and you survived(g)
>
>
>>
>> Ed Rasimus
>> Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
>> "When Thunder Rolled"
>> www.thunderchief.org
>> www.thundertales.blogspot.com
>
>

Daryl Hunt

October 11th 06, 10:54 PM

"Flatus Ohlfahrt" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:19:27 GMT, Daryl Hunt wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> "Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:23:41 -0400, Ogden Johnson III
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Charlie Wolf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Can any of you regulars here in r.a.m.n. help with this
>>>>>request??
>>>>>
>>>>>Or point him in the right direction?
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>On 10 Oct 2006 11:09:34 -0700, "msvuh"
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>My friend, Mr. Ho, is currently petitioning for
>>>>>>resettlement in the US. In his last interview, he was
>>>>>>asked to present a Certificate of Completion for a
>>>>>>Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman in an Air Force
>>>>>>Base in Virginia in 1969. Mr. Ho does not remember the
>>>>>>name of the school. What he remembers is from the base
>>>>>>to Washington D.C. it's about one day bus drive. Mr. Ho
>>>>>>does not have any paperwork associated with the training
>>>>>>he had in the US for that year as they were all burned
>>>>>>in 1975 when South Vietnam collapsed for fear of
>>>>>>persecution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I hope you can gear me to the right direction. If you
>>>>>>need further information. Please contact me via email
or telephone (310) 223-0370
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If this is not the right group to post this message,
>>>>>>please provide a correct name of the group. I will not
>>>>>>bother in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Toi hieu tieng Vietnam. Cam on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>msvuh
>>>>
>>>>If he's sure it was an Air Force Base, and in Virginia,
>>>>then Langley AFB is about the only choice. Down in the
>>>>Hampton Roads/Norfolk/Tidewater area, it is only a 3-,
>>>>4-hour max drive from DC. Even the commercial bus doesn't
>>>>take but about 5-, 5-1/2 hours. AFAIK, Langley has
>>>>generally been about fighters and R&D - missiles, mainly -
>>>>and not helos. But there may be some reason they could
>>>>have done helo maintenance training there during the VN
>>>>war for some reason that would make sense only to the Air
>>>>Farce.
>>>
>>> Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman? AF in 1969 had few
>>> helicopters. Training for helo pilots had already moved to
>>> Ft. Wolters under the Army. The term "Repairman" would
>>> never be used for a maintainer in the USAF.
>>
>> While I don't know enough to correct nor confirm your Helo
>> training locations, I do know that in 1969 and 1970,
>> Specialtists were called Repairmen.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Maintenance school would be a "tech school" and all of
>>> those were under Air Training Command at TTCs (Tech
>>> Training Centers)--places like Lowry, Chanute, Lackland,
>>> Keesler. Certainly not at Langley and I can't quickly
>>> think of another AF installation in VA.
>>>
>>> If this guy were in the US, I might be thinking "wannabe".
>>
>> The use of Repariman tells me he just might not be a
>> wannbe.
>>
>> BTW, Ed, you had repairman working on your F-4 and you
>> survived(g)
>
> Nah, the AF had maintenance specialists.

Take a look at this cite. The people are called repairmen.

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1973/jan-feb/deberry.html

301X1 Navigation Systems Repairman
421X1 Aircraft Propeller Repairman
421X2 Pneudraulics Repairman
421X3 Aerospace Ground Equipment Repairman

422X0 Instrument Repairman
422X1 Mechanical Accessory Repairman
422X2 Egress Systems Repairman
423X0 Aircraft Electrician
424X0 Fuel Systems Repairman
431X0 Helicopter Maintenance Repairman
431X1A Aircraft Maintenance Repairman
(recip)

431X1C Aircraft Maintenance Repairman (Jet)
432X0 Jet Engine Repairman
432X1 Reciprocating Engine Repairman
461X0 Munitions Specialist
462X0 Weapons Specialist

You are using todays terms for yesterday.

>
> The fella would most likely have had his fingerprints on file in
> one of our national data bases. Maybe a friendly police
> establishment could give some help.

Daryl Hunt

October 11th 06, 10:55 PM

"Tom in Macon" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Daryl Hunt" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:23:41 -0400, Ogden Johnson III
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Charlie Wolf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Can any of you regulars here in r.a.m.n. help with this request??
>>>>>
>>>>>Or point him in the right direction?
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>On 10 Oct 2006 11:09:34 -0700, "msvuh" >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>My friend, Mr. Ho, is currently petitioning for resettlement in the
>>>>>>US.
>>>>>>In his last interview, he was asked to present a Certificate of
>>>>>>Completion for a Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman in an Air Force
>>>>>>Base in Virginia in 1969. Mr. Ho does not remember the name of the
>>>>>>school. What he remembers is from the base to Washington D.C. it's
>>>>>>about one day bus drive. Mr. Ho does not have any paperwork associated
>>>>>>with the training he had in the US for that year as they were all
>>>>>>burned in 1975 when South Vietnam collapsed for fear of persecution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I hope you can gear me to the right direction. If you need further
>>>>>>information. Please contact me via email or
>>>>>>telephone (310) 223-0370
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If this is not the right group to post this message, please provide a
>>>>>>correct name of the group. I will not bother in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Toi hieu tieng Vietnam. Cam on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>msvuh
>>>>
>>>>If he's sure it was an Air Force Base, and in Virginia, then
>>>>Langley AFB is about the only choice. Down in the Hampton
>>>>Roads/Norfolk/Tidewater area, it is only a 3-, 4-hour max drive
>>>>from DC. Even the commercial bus doesn't take but about 5-,
>>>>5-1/2 hours. AFAIK, Langley has generally been about fighters
>>>>and R&D - missiles, mainly - and not helos. But there may be
>>>>some reason they could have done helo maintenance training there
>>>>during the VN war for some reason that would make sense only to
>>>>the Air Farce.
>>>
>>> Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman? AF in 1969 had few helicopters.
>>> Training for helo pilots had already moved to Ft. Wolters under the
>>> Army. The term "Repairman" would never be used for a maintainer in the
>>> USAF.
>>
>> While I don't know enough to correct nor confirm your Helo training
>> locations, I do know that in 1969 and 1970, Specialtists were called
>> Repairmen.
>
> And I attended the Ground Communications Equipment Repairman Course at
> Keesler in 58 and 59.

Ah, a jammer mech, huh

>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Maintenance school would be a "tech school" and all of those were
>>> under Air Training Command at TTCs (Tech Training Centers)--places
>>> like Lowry, Chanute, Lackland, Keesler. Certainly not at Langley and I
>>> can't quickly think of another AF installation in VA.
>>>
>>> If this guy were in the US, I might be thinking "wannabe".
>>
>> The use of Repariman tells me he just might not be a wannbe.
>>
>> BTW, Ed, you had repairman working on your F-4 and you survived(g)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Ed Rasimus
>>> Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
>>> "When Thunder Rolled"
>>> www.thunderchief.org
>>> www.thundertales.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>
>

msvuh

October 11th 06, 11:38 PM

Daryl Hunt wrote:
> "Flatus Ohlfahrt" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:19:27 GMT, Daryl Hunt wrote in
> > :
> >
> >>
> >> "Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:23:41 -0400, Ogden Johnson III
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Charlie Wolf > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Can any of you regulars here in r.a.m.n. help with this
> >>>>>request??
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Or point him in the right direction?
> >>>>>Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On 10 Oct 2006 11:09:34 -0700, "msvuh"
> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>My friend, Mr. Ho, is currently petitioning for
> >>>>>>resettlement in the US. In his last interview, he was
> >>>>>>asked to present a Certificate of Completion for a
> >>>>>>Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman in an Air Force
> >>>>>>Base in Virginia in 1969. Mr. Ho does not remember the
> >>>>>>name of the school. What he remembers is from the base
> >>>>>>to Washington D.C. it's about one day bus drive. Mr. Ho
> >>>>>>does not have any paperwork associated with the training
> >>>>>>he had in the US for that year as they were all burned
> >>>>>>in 1975 when South Vietnam collapsed for fear of
> >>>>>>persecution.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I hope you can gear me to the right direction. If you
> >>>>>>need further information. Please contact me via email
> or telephone (310) 223-0370
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>If this is not the right group to post this message,
> >>>>>>please provide a correct name of the group. I will not
> >>>>>>bother in the future.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Toi hieu tieng Vietnam. Cam on.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>msvuh
> >>>>
> >>>>If he's sure it was an Air Force Base, and in Virginia,
> >>>>then Langley AFB is about the only choice. Down in the
> >>>>Hampton Roads/Norfolk/Tidewater area, it is only a 3-,
> >>>>4-hour max drive from DC. Even the commercial bus doesn't
> >>>>take but about 5-, 5-1/2 hours. AFAIK, Langley has
> >>>>generally been about fighters and R&D - missiles, mainly -
> >>>>and not helos. But there may be some reason they could
> >>>>have done helo maintenance training there during the VN
> >>>>war for some reason that would make sense only to the Air
> >>>>Farce.
> >>>
> >>> Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman? AF in 1969 had few
> >>> helicopters. Training for helo pilots had already moved to
> >>> Ft. Wolters under the Army. The term "Repairman" would
> >>> never be used for a maintainer in the USAF.
> >>
> >> While I don't know enough to correct nor confirm your Helo
> >> training locations, I do know that in 1969 and 1970,
> >> Specialtists were called Repairmen.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Maintenance school would be a "tech school" and all of
> >>> those were under Air Training Command at TTCs (Tech
> >>> Training Centers)--places like Lowry, Chanute, Lackland,
> >>> Keesler. Certainly not at Langley and I can't quickly
> >>> think of another AF installation in VA.
> >>>
> >>> If this guy were in the US, I might be thinking "wannabe".
> >>
> >> The use of Repariman tells me he just might not be a
> >> wannbe.
> >>
> >> BTW, Ed, you had repairman working on your F-4 and you
> >> survived(g)
> >
> > Nah, the AF had maintenance specialists.
>
> Take a look at this cite. The people are called repairmen.
>
> http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1973/jan-feb/deberry.html

I looked at it. I think I am getting closer to my goal each day. Thank
you.

Naja
>
> 301X1 Navigation Systems Repairman
> 421X1 Aircraft Propeller Repairman
> 421X2 Pneudraulics Repairman
> 421X3 Aerospace Ground Equipment Repairman
>
> 422X0 Instrument Repairman
> 422X1 Mechanical Accessory Repairman
> 422X2 Egress Systems Repairman
> 423X0 Aircraft Electrician
> 424X0 Fuel Systems Repairman
> 431X0 Helicopter Maintenance Repairman
> 431X1A Aircraft Maintenance Repairman
> (recip)
>
> 431X1C Aircraft Maintenance Repairman (Jet)
> 432X0 Jet Engine Repairman
> 432X1 Reciprocating Engine Repairman
> 461X0 Munitions Specialist
> 462X0 Weapons Specialist
>
> You are using todays terms for yesterday.
>
>
> >
> > The fella would most likely have had his fingerprints on file in
> > one of our national data bases. Maybe a friendly police
> > establishment could give some help.

Daryl Hunt

October 12th 06, 12:20 AM

"msvuh" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Daryl Hunt wrote:
>> "Flatus Ohlfahrt" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:19:27 GMT, Daryl Hunt wrote in
>> > :
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:23:41 -0400, Ogden Johnson III
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>Charlie Wolf > wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Can any of you regulars here in r.a.m.n. help with this
>> >>>>>request??
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Or point him in the right direction?
>> >>>>>Regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>On 10 Oct 2006 11:09:34 -0700, "msvuh"
>> > wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>My friend, Mr. Ho, is currently petitioning for
>> >>>>>>resettlement in the US. In his last interview, he was
>> >>>>>>asked to present a Certificate of Completion for a
>> >>>>>>Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman in an Air Force
>> >>>>>>Base in Virginia in 1969. Mr. Ho does not remember the
>> >>>>>>name of the school. What he remembers is from the base
>> >>>>>>to Washington D.C. it's about one day bus drive. Mr. Ho
>> >>>>>>does not have any paperwork associated with the training
>> >>>>>>he had in the US for that year as they were all burned
>> >>>>>>in 1975 when South Vietnam collapsed for fear of
>> >>>>>>persecution.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>I hope you can gear me to the right direction. If you
>> >>>>>>need further information. Please contact me via email
>> or telephone (310) 223-0370
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>If this is not the right group to post this message,
>> >>>>>>please provide a correct name of the group. I will not
>> >>>>>>bother in the future.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Toi hieu tieng Vietnam. Cam on.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>msvuh
>> >>>>
>> >>>>If he's sure it was an Air Force Base, and in Virginia,
>> >>>>then Langley AFB is about the only choice. Down in the
>> >>>>Hampton Roads/Norfolk/Tidewater area, it is only a 3-,
>> >>>>4-hour max drive from DC. Even the commercial bus doesn't
>> >>>>take but about 5-, 5-1/2 hours. AFAIK, Langley has
>> >>>>generally been about fighters and R&D - missiles, mainly -
>> >>>>and not helos. But there may be some reason they could
>> >>>>have done helo maintenance training there during the VN
>> >>>>war for some reason that would make sense only to the Air
>> >>>>Farce.
>> >>>
>> >>> Helicopter Maintenance and Repairman? AF in 1969 had few
>> >>> helicopters. Training for helo pilots had already moved to
>> >>> Ft. Wolters under the Army. The term "Repairman" would
>> >>> never be used for a maintainer in the USAF.
>> >>
>> >> While I don't know enough to correct nor confirm your Helo
>> >> training locations, I do know that in 1969 and 1970,
>> >> Specialtists were called Repairmen.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Maintenance school would be a "tech school" and all of
>> >>> those were under Air Training Command at TTCs (Tech
>> >>> Training Centers)--places like Lowry, Chanute, Lackland,
>> >>> Keesler. Certainly not at Langley and I can't quickly
>> >>> think of another AF installation in VA.
>> >>>
>> >>> If this guy were in the US, I might be thinking "wannabe".
>> >>
>> >> The use of Repariman tells me he just might not be a
>> >> wannbe.
>> >>
>> >> BTW, Ed, you had repairman working on your F-4 and you
>> >> survived(g)
>> >
>> > Nah, the AF had maintenance specialists.
>>
>> Take a look at this cite. The people are called repairmen.
>>
>> http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1973/jan-feb/deberry.html
>
> I looked at it. I think I am getting closer to my goal each day. Thank
> you.

He might have been mistaken about his location. Look into Wicheta Field, TX
as well. IN 69-70, I do know they were doing Chopper training for Foriegn
Troops at that time. I don't know if there was any maintenance training but
there was assuredly flight training.

Just remember, if it isn't on the internet, some will lead you to believe it
isn't so.

Steven P. McNicoll[_1_]

October 12th 06, 12:43 AM

"Daryl Hunt" > wrote in message
...
>
> He might have been mistaken about his location. Look into Wicheta Field,
> TX as well. IN 69-70, I do know they were doing Chopper training for
> Foriegn Troops at that time. I don't know if there was any maintenance
> training but there was assuredly flight training.
>

Wicheta Field? Perhaps you mean Sheppard AFB, Wichita Falls, TX?

Ogden Johnson III

October 12th 06, 12:56 AM

"Daryl Hunt" > wrote:

..
>Take a look at this cite. The people are called repairmen.
>
>http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1973/jan-feb/deberry.html
>
>
>301X1 Navigation Systems Repairman
>421X1 Aircraft Propeller Repairman
>421X2 Pneudraulics Repairman

ROTFLMAOWTIME!!!!!

Only the Air Farce could come up with "Pneudraulics."

--
Ogden Johnson
(ne OJ III)
[Email to Yahoo address may be burned before reading.
Lower and dot the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]

Ed Rasimus[_1_]

October 12th 06, 12:57 AM

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:43:03 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
> wrote:

>
>"Daryl Hunt" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> He might have been mistaken about his location. Look into Wicheta Field,
>> TX as well. IN 69-70, I do know they were doing Chopper training for
>> Foriegn Troops at that time. I don't know if there was any maintenance
>> training but there was assuredly flight training.
>>
>
>Wicheta Field? Perhaps you mean Sheppard AFB, Wichita Falls, TX?
>
There was assuredly Undergraduate Pilot Training at Sheppard in
'69-70, but no rotary wing. The USAF helicopter training operation was
moving (as someone pointed out) from Stead AFB which was deactivating
to Ft. Wolters (as I mentioned) and Ft. Rucker, where the Army became
the sole source for USAF/USA rotary wing qualification.

Sheppard might have been an operational training site for USAF
helicopters, but I don't know for sure. HH-3 and HC-53 was done AFAIK
at Hurlburt. I don't think HH-43 "Pedro" was in the inventory any
longer. UH-1 training had been Stead and then Rucker. (Those were the
missile silo service helicopters.)
Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

Steven P. McNicoll[_1_]

October 12th 06, 02:53 AM

"Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
...
>
> There was assuredly Undergraduate Pilot Training at Sheppard in
> '69-70, but no rotary wing. The USAF helicopter training operation was
> moving (as someone pointed out) from Stead AFB which was deactivating
> to Ft. Wolters (as I mentioned) and Ft. Rucker, where the Army became
> the sole source for USAF/USA rotary wing qualification.
>
> Sheppard might have been an operational training site for USAF
> helicopters, but I don't know for sure. HH-3 and HC-53 was done AFAIK
> at Hurlburt. I don't think HH-43 "Pedro" was in the inventory any
> longer. UH-1 training had been Stead and then Rucker. (Those were the
> missile silo service helicopters.)
>

You're mistaken. USAF helicopter pilot training moved from Stead to
Sheppard in late 1965. Stead AFB closed the following year. In 1969 all
USAF helicopter training was done at Sheppard AFB. Beginning in late 1970
instruction was provided to USAF students at Fort Wolters in the UH-1, they
would then go to Sheppard for combat crew training. In mid 1971 the USAF
ceased helicopter instruction at Sheppard, and USAF students began
training at Fort Rucker.

http://usafhpa.org/histschool.html

Daryl Hunt

October 12th 06, 02:55 AM

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> "Daryl Hunt" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> He might have been mistaken about his location. Look into Wicheta Field,
>> TX as well. IN 69-70, I do know they were doing Chopper training for
>> Foriegn Troops at that time. I don't know if there was any maintenance
>> training but there was assuredly flight training.
>>
>
> Wicheta Field? Perhaps you mean Sheppard AFB, Wichita Falls, TX?

Thanks, brain fart.

Daryl Hunt

October 12th 06, 02:57 AM

"Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:43:03 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Daryl Hunt" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> He might have been mistaken about his location. Look into Wicheta
>>> Field,
>>> TX as well. IN 69-70, I do know they were doing Chopper training for
>>> Foriegn Troops at that time. I don't know if there was any maintenance
>>> training but there was assuredly flight training.
>>>
>>
>>Wicheta Field? Perhaps you mean Sheppard AFB, Wichita Falls, TX?
>>
> There was assuredly Undergraduate Pilot Training at Sheppard in
> '69-70, but no rotary wing. The USAF helicopter training operation was
> moving (as someone pointed out) from Stead AFB which was deactivating
> to Ft. Wolters (as I mentioned) and Ft. Rucker, where the Army became
> the sole source for USAF/USA rotary wing qualification.
>
> Sheppard might have been an operational training site for USAF
> helicopters, but I don't know for sure. HH-3 and HC-53 was done AFAIK
> at Hurlburt. I don't think HH-43 "Pedro" was in the inventory any
> longer. UH-1 training had been Stead and then Rucker. (Those were the
> missile silo service helicopters.)

I believe there were a few "Foriegn" trainees. The running joke was that
they sometimes didn't bother to land before the pilot exits. Who they were
and where they came from, I have no idea. To tell you the truth, it sounds
more like Iranians the way they were acting.

Daryl Hunt

October 12th 06, 03:00 AM

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> There was assuredly Undergraduate Pilot Training at Sheppard in
>> '69-70, but no rotary wing. The USAF helicopter training operation was
>> moving (as someone pointed out) from Stead AFB which was deactivating
>> to Ft. Wolters (as I mentioned) and Ft. Rucker, where the Army became
>> the sole source for USAF/USA rotary wing qualification.
>>
>> Sheppard might have been an operational training site for USAF
>> helicopters, but I don't know for sure. HH-3 and HC-53 was done AFAIK
>> at Hurlburt. I don't think HH-43 "Pedro" was in the inventory any
>> longer. UH-1 training had been Stead and then Rucker. (Those were the
>> missile silo service helicopters.)
>>
>
> You're mistaken. USAF helicopter pilot training moved from Stead to
> Sheppard in late 1965. Stead AFB closed the following year. In 1969 all
> USAF helicopter training was done at Sheppard AFB. Beginning in late 1970
> instruction was provided to USAF students at Fort Wolters in the UH-1,
> they
> would then go to Sheppard for combat crew training. In mid 1971 the USAF
> ceased helicopter instruction at Sheppard, and USAF students began
> training at Fort Rucker.
>
> http://usafhpa.org/histschool.html

I was at Sheppard in 1969 to 1970 and they were definately chooper training.
And there were quite a few foriegn student pilots as well. Now, you can't
make me believe that our trainees were that bad, now can you:)

Steven P. McNicoll[_1_]

October 12th 06, 03:01 AM

"Ogden Johnson III" > wrote in message
...
>
> ROTFLMAOWTIME!!!!!
>
> Only the Air Farce could come up with "Pneudraulics."
>

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pneudraulic

Daryl Hunt

October 12th 06, 10:44 AM

"Ogden Johnson III" > wrote in message
...
> "Daryl Hunt" > wrote:
>
> .
>>Take a look at this cite. The people are called repairmen.
>>
>>http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1973/jan-feb/deberry.html
>>
>>
>>301X1 Navigation Systems Repairman
>>421X1 Aircraft Propeller Repairman
>>421X2 Pneudraulics Repairman
>
> ROTFLMAOWTIME!!!!!
>
> Only the Air Farce could come up with "Pneudraulics."

Hey, did you serve in the Air Farce? Only those that did deserve to use
that term. Otherwise, you can just use (*&)(&*D

Dave Kearton

October 12th 06, 10:51 AM

Daryl Hunt wrote:
> "Ogden Johnson III" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Daryl Hunt" > wrote:
>>
>> .
>>> Take a look at this cite. The people are called repairmen.
>>>
>>> http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1973/jan-feb/deberry.html
>>>
>>>
>>> 301X1 Navigation Systems Repairman
>>> 421X1 Aircraft Propeller Repairman
>>> 421X2 Pneudraulics Repairman
>>
>> ROTFLMAOWTIME!!!!!
>>
>> Only the Air Farce could come up with "Pneudraulics."
>
> Hey, did you serve in the Air Farce? Only those that did deserve to
> use that term. Otherwise, you can just use (*&)(&*D

Hmmm, I think I'd want my repairmen to stay in uniform too.

--

Cheers

Dave Kearton

JustMe

October 12th 06, 04:27 PM

"Daryl Hunt" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ogden Johnson III" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Daryl Hunt" > wrote:
>>
>> .
>>>Take a look at this cite. The people are called repairmen.
>>>
>>>http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1973/jan-feb/deberry.html
>>>
>>>
>>>301X1 Navigation Systems Repairman
>>>421X1 Aircraft Propeller Repairman
>>>421X2 Pneudraulics Repairman
>>
>> ROTFLMAOWTIME!!!!!
>>
>> Only the Air Farce could come up with "Pneudraulics."
>
> Hey, did you serve in the Air Farce? Only those that did deserve to use
> that term. Otherwise, you can just use (*&)(&*D

No problem, we'll stick to Chair Force then.

Daryl Hunt

October 12th 06, 04:30 PM

"JustMe" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Daryl Hunt" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ogden Johnson III" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Daryl Hunt" > wrote:
>>>
>>> .
>>>>Take a look at this cite. The people are called repairmen.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1973/jan-feb/deberry.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>301X1 Navigation Systems Repairman
>>>>421X1 Aircraft Propeller Repairman
>>>>421X2 Pneudraulics Repairman
>>>
>>> ROTFLMAOWTIME!!!!!
>>>
>>> Only the Air Farce could come up with "Pneudraulics."
>>
>> Hey, did you serve in the Air Farce? Only those that did deserve to use
>> that term. Otherwise, you can just use (*&)(&*D
>
>
> No problem, we'll stick to Chair Force then.

That's more like it. Did more of that than anything else in 20 years.

JustMe

October 12th 06, 05:12 PM

"Daryl Hunt" > wrote in message
...
>
> "JustMe" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>
>> "Daryl Hunt" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Ogden Johnson III" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Daryl Hunt" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>>Take a look at this cite. The people are called repairmen.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1973/jan-feb/deberry.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>301X1 Navigation Systems Repairman
>>>>>421X1 Aircraft Propeller Repairman
>>>>>421X2 Pneudraulics Repairman
>>>>
>>>> ROTFLMAOWTIME!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Only the Air Farce could come up with "Pneudraulics."
>>>
>>> Hey, did you serve in the Air Farce? Only those that did deserve to use
>>> that term. Otherwise, you can just use (*&)(&*D
>>
>>
>> No problem, we'll stick to Chair Force then.
>
> That's more like it. Did more of that than anything else in 20 years.

....and noa-a-days it's the only branch wherein recruits have to have their
medals mounted before they graduate.

George Z. Bush

October 12th 06, 06:29 PM

JustMe wrote:
> "Daryl Hunt" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ogden Johnson III" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Daryl Hunt" > wrote:
>>>
>>> .
>>>> Take a look at this cite. The people are called repairmen.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1973/jan-feb/deberry.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 301X1 Navigation Systems Repairman
>>>> 421X1 Aircraft Propeller Repairman
>>>> 421X2 Pneudraulics Repairman
>>>
>>> ROTFLMAOWTIME!!!!!
>>>
>>> Only the Air Farce could come up with "Pneudraulics."
>>
>> Hey, did you serve in the Air Farce? Only those that did deserve to use
>> that term. Otherwise, you can just use (*&)(&*D
>
>
> No problem, we'll stick to Chair Force then.

Just to keep the funnin' in perspective, did you know that the Eighth Air Force
suffered more casualties in its air battles over Europe than the entire United
States Marine Corps during all of their battles in WWII? And that was just one
of our units that were used to engage the enemy. ..........you were saying what
about the "Chair Force"???

George Z.

Dave Thompson

October 12th 06, 08:38 PM

"George Z. Bush" > wrote in message
...
> JustMe wrote:
>> "Daryl Hunt" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Ogden Johnson III" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Daryl Hunt" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>> Take a look at this cite. The people are called repairmen.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1973/jan-feb/deberry.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 301X1 Navigation Systems Repairman
>>>>> 421X1 Aircraft Propeller Repairman
>>>>> 421X2 Pneudraulics Repairman
>>>>
>>>> ROTFLMAOWTIME!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Only the Air Farce could come up with "Pneudraulics."
>>>
>>> Hey, did you serve in the Air Farce? Only those that did deserve to use
>>> that term. Otherwise, you can just use (*&)(&*D
>>
>>
>> No problem, we'll stick to Chair Force then.
>
> Just to keep the funnin' in perspective, did you know that the Eighth Air
> Force suffered more casualties in its air battles over Europe than the
> entire United States Marine Corps during all of their battles in WWII?
> And that was just one of our units that were used to engage the enemy.
> ..........you were saying what about the "Chair Force"???
>
> George Z.
>

Yahbut, that was when they were still part of the Army. We haven't
decisively won a war since the Air Force was established. :)

--
Dave Thompson
(The Other)

Ogden Johnson III

October 13th 06, 01:37 AM

"Daryl Hunt" > wrote:

>"Ogden Johnson III" > wrote:

>> "Daryl Hunt" > wrote:

>>>421X2 Pneudraulics Repairman

>> ROTFLMAOWTIME!!!!!
>>
>> Only the Air Farce could come up with "Pneudraulics."

>Hey, did you serve in the Air Farce? Only those that did deserve to use
>that term. Otherwise, you can just use (*&)(&*D

Sort of. Two six-month deployments of our USMC Harrier Det to
operate out of Kadena AB.

And, of course, like our compatriots in the Army and Navy, we
suffered cruel and unusual treatment every time we had fly on one
of your [MATS/MATC/MAC/pick a name] C-141/C-5/C-130. One time
y'all left us stranded coming back from Denmark - standing beside
the runway with our thumbs out trying to hitch a ride on any
passing USAF cargo plane carrying all the REFORGER troops back.
I don't know whether our rear party OIC bribed or blackmailed
him, but finally after 10 hours one C-5 driver finally took pity
on us, and at least offered to take us to Dover with him where we
could arrange a ride with a real air transport company back to
Cherry Point.

[In the event, all that fancy navigation s[tuff] in the C-5's
front office paid off, and halfway across the Atlantic the PIC
told us that they were making great time, and could drop us off
at NKT without running out of either fuel or crew-hours before
getting back to Dover. So we didn't have to go to Plan B -
commercial air.]

Whether you like it or not, *anyone* who has served as a US
Marine, Soldier, or Sailor and has experienced the tender mercies
of the USAF has earned the right to use the term Air Farce.

[When we aren't using A+*@$+#@(*$@+ ;->]

--
Ogden Johnson
(ne OJ III)
[Email to Yahoo address may be burned before reading.
Lower and dot the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]

Ed Rasimus[_1_]

October 13th 06, 05:55 PM

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:37:29 -0400, Ogden Johnson III
> wrote:

>Sort of. Two six-month deployments of our USMC Harrier Det to
>operate out of Kadena AB.
>
>And, of course, like our compatriots in the Army and Navy, we
>suffered cruel and unusual treatment every time we had fly on one
>of your [MATS/MATC/MAC/pick a name] C-141/C-5/C-130. One time
>y'all left us stranded coming back from Denmark - standing beside
>the runway with our thumbs out trying to hitch a ride on any
>passing USAF cargo plane carrying all the REFORGER troops back.
>I don't know whether our rear party OIC bribed or blackmailed
>him, but finally after 10 hours one C-5 driver finally took pity
>on us, and at least offered to take us to Dover with him where we
>could arrange a ride with a real air transport company back to
>Cherry Point.
>
>[In the event, all that fancy navigation s[tuff] in the C-5's
>front office paid off, and halfway across the Atlantic the PIC
>told us that they were making great time, and could drop us off
>at NKT without running out of either fuel or crew-hours before
>getting back to Dover. So we didn't have to go to Plan B -
>commercial air.]
>
>Whether you like it or not, *anyone* who has served as a US
>Marine, Soldier, or Sailor and has experienced the tender mercies
>of the USAF has earned the right to use the term Air Farce.

Please, OJ, you are confusing the airlifters with the USAF. They
aren't on "our" side either! The trash-haulers are generally more bad
than good (although I'm the first to admit I encountered an occasional
exception, such as the C-124 guys who gave me a lift out of Tachikawa
in a tale related in When Thunder Rolled.)

For some reason the MAC (or whatever they are called now) folks have
mastered the principle of being always able to leave in the middle of
the dead of night, fly any length of trip and arrive also in the
middle of the night, anywhere in the world. Simply show up six hours
before departure to get your fair share of abuse.

And don't even get me started on being rousted out of bed in the
middle of the night in some MAC BOQ because the quarters were reserved
for "aircrew"--meaing MAC pukes, not necessarily combat aviators.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

Daryl Hunt

October 13th 06, 06:18 PM

"Ogden Johnson III" > wrote in message
...
> "Daryl Hunt" > wrote:
>
>>"Ogden Johnson III" > wrote:
>
>>> "Daryl Hunt" > wrote:
>
>>>>421X2 Pneudraulics Repairman
>
>>> ROTFLMAOWTIME!!!!!
>>>
>>> Only the Air Farce could come up with "Pneudraulics."
>
>>Hey, did you serve in the Air Farce? Only those that did deserve to use
>>that term. Otherwise, you can just use (*&)(&*D
>
> Sort of. Two six-month deployments of our USMC Harrier Det to
> operate out of Kadena AB.

I never was around the Harriers. I take it it takes a real man to get one
of those puppys from point a to b. Or someone as crazy as a gyrene.

>
> And, of course, like our compatriots in the Army and Navy, we
> suffered cruel and unusual treatment every time we had fly on one
> of your [MATS/MATC/MAC/pick a name] C-141/C-5/C-130.

After being on the 130s, I thought the 141 was a Caddilac. They even put in
Airline style seats for us on the 141s and the heaters actually worked. Not
like the 130s where you slept on pallets and had to stay above 5 feet in the
back to stay warm. Would I trade all the miles on the Herky Pigs? Not in
this lifetime or any other.

One time
> y'all left us stranded coming back from Denmark - standing beside
> the runway with our thumbs out trying to hitch a ride on any
> passing USAF cargo plane carrying all the REFORGER troops back.
> I don't know whether our rear party OIC bribed or blackmailed
> him, but finally after 10 hours one C-5 driver finally took pity
> on us, and at least offered to take us to Dover with him where we
> could arrange a ride with a real air transport company back to
> Cherry Point.

Welcome to the United Air Force Airlines.

>
> [In the event, all that fancy navigation s[tuff] in the C-5's
> front office paid off, and halfway across the Atlantic the PIC
> told us that they were making great time, and could drop us off
> at NKT without running out of either fuel or crew-hours before
> getting back to Dover. So we didn't have to go to Plan B -
> commercial air.]

Commercial Air? My, how they pampered you. If that had happened to one of
us, we might go from a layover to a TDY (g)

>
> Whether you like it or not, *anyone* who has served as a US
> Marine, Soldier, or Sailor and has experienced the tender mercies
> of the USAF has earned the right to use the term Air Farce.
>
> [When we aren't using A+*@$+#@(*$@+ ;->]

Now you know why we all dress up like Bus Drivers. So we can avoid the
lynching by ducking into the nearest bus station.

Daryl Hunt

October 13th 06, 06:20 PM

"Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:37:29 -0400, Ogden Johnson III
> > wrote:
>
>>Sort of. Two six-month deployments of our USMC Harrier Det to
>>operate out of Kadena AB.
>>
>>And, of course, like our compatriots in the Army and Navy, we
>>suffered cruel and unusual treatment every time we had fly on one
>>of your [MATS/MATC/MAC/pick a name] C-141/C-5/C-130. One time
>>y'all left us stranded coming back from Denmark - standing beside
>>the runway with our thumbs out trying to hitch a ride on any
>>passing USAF cargo plane carrying all the REFORGER troops back.
>>I don't know whether our rear party OIC bribed or blackmailed
>>him, but finally after 10 hours one C-5 driver finally took pity
>>on us, and at least offered to take us to Dover with him where we
>>could arrange a ride with a real air transport company back to
>>Cherry Point.
>>
>>[In the event, all that fancy navigation s[tuff] in the C-5's
>>front office paid off, and halfway across the Atlantic the PIC
>>told us that they were making great time, and could drop us off
>>at NKT without running out of either fuel or crew-hours before
>>getting back to Dover. So we didn't have to go to Plan B -
>>commercial air.]
>>
>>Whether you like it or not, *anyone* who has served as a US
>>Marine, Soldier, or Sailor and has experienced the tender mercies
>>of the USAF has earned the right to use the term Air Farce.
>
> Please, OJ, you are confusing the airlifters with the USAF. They
> aren't on "our" side either! The trash-haulers are generally more bad
> than good (although I'm the first to admit I encountered an occasional
> exception, such as the C-124 guys who gave me a lift out of Tachikawa
> in a tale related in When Thunder Rolled.)
>
> For some reason the MAC (or whatever they are called now) folks have
> mastered the principle of being always able to leave in the middle of
> the dead of night, fly any length of trip and arrive also in the
> middle of the night, anywhere in the world. Simply show up six hours
> before departure to get your fair share of abuse.
>
> And don't even get me started on being rousted out of bed in the
> middle of the night in some MAC BOQ because the quarters were reserved
> for "aircrew"--meaing MAC pukes, not necessarily combat aviators.

Ah,. but Ed, I went around the world about 3 times that way. I knew how the
system worked and got to do things and see things that I never imagined I
would. Of course, I saw the world through the back door but that beats the
hell out of not seeing it at all.