Radar track of Lidle's aircraft caught on Passur

[Peter R.]

Partial radar track of the first few minutes of Lidle's Cirrus departing
Teterboro on Passur:

http://www4.passur.com/ewr.html

Set the clock there for October 11th, 14:30 pm, then click on the first
aircraft that departs Teterboro.

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Peter

[Peter R.]

"Peter R." > wrote:

> Set the clock there for October 11th, 14:30 pm, then click on the first
> aircraft that departs Teterboro.

Failed to include that you have to zoom out to the 20 mile range.

There are a couple of aircraft going up the East river around 2:40pm and
one disappears in about the area of upper east side.



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Peter

[jwilljr]

Peter R. wrote:
> "Peter R." > wrote:
>
>> Set the clock there for October 11th, 14:30 pm, then click on the first
>> aircraft that departs Teterboro.
>
> Failed to include that you have to zoom out to the 20 mile range.
>
> There are a couple of aircraft going up the East river around 2:40pm and
> one disappears in about the area of upper east side.
>
>
>

Better link below:

http://www4.passur.com/teb.html

Use the same info as before...

Jerry

[pgbnh]

Wow !! 400 feet up to 500 feet then to 400 feet, then 300, then radar return
goes away. Could not have been more than 5 minutes into the flight. If the
earlier FT's were correct, even 500 feet should not have put him in IMC
"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> Partial radar track of the first few minutes of Lidle's Cirrus departing
> Teterboro on Passur:
>
> http://www4.passur.com/ewr.html
>
> Set the clock there for October 11th, 14:30 pm, then click on the first
> aircraft that departs Teterboro.
>
> --
> Peter

[Peter R.]

jwilljr > wrote:

> Better link below:
>
> http://www4.passur.com/teb.html
>
> Use the same info as before...

14:40 and using this link shows a GA aircraft going north up the East
River, then turns back to the south and disappears.

Sad how that little cartoon is sugar coating the image of the end of
someone's life.


--
Peter

[Guy Elden Jr]

I looked at the footage from the LGA Passur site... same thing.

I know nobody should be speculating at this point, so I'll just say
that compared to the Hudson river corridor, the East River corridor is
quite a bit tighter in terms of the area you have to work in when
making the turn at the 59th St. Bridge. Even at maneuvering speed, you
want to make the turn as tight as possible, both to avoid straying into
LGA's airspace, and also to (obviously) avoid hitting anything in
Manhattan.

--
Guy

pgbnh wrote:
> Wow !! 400 feet up to 500 feet then to 400 feet, then 300, then radar return
> goes away. Could not have been more than 5 minutes into the flight. If the
> earlier FT's were correct, even 500 feet should not have put him in IMC
> "Peter R." > wrote in message
> ...
> > Partial radar track of the first few minutes of Lidle's Cirrus departing
> > Teterboro on Passur:
> >
> > http://www4.passur.com/ewr.html
> >
> > Set the clock there for October 11th, 14:30 pm, then click on the first
> > aircraft that departs Teterboro.
> >
> > --
> > Peter

[Owen[_4_]]

Guy Elden Jr wrote:

> I looked at the footage from the LGA Passur site... same thing.
>
> I know nobody should be speculating at this point,

No harm in talking or writing, as long as you're not purporting to be an official
data source.

[Steven P. McNicoll[_1_]]

"Guy Elden Jr" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> I looked at the footage from the LGA Passur site... same thing.
>
> I know nobody should be speculating at this point, so I'll just say
> that compared to the Hudson river corridor, the East River corridor is
> quite a bit tighter in terms of the area you have to work in when
> making the turn at the 59th St. Bridge. Even at maneuvering speed, you
> want to make the turn as tight as possible, both to avoid straying into
> LGA's airspace, and also to (obviously) avoid hitting anything in
> Manhattan.
>

Why should nobody be speculating at this point?

[Guy Elden Jr]

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
> Why should nobody be speculating at this point?

That's the media's job. :)

I don't have all the facts, just my experiences of having flown in the
same general area quite a few times, and the radar track as seen on
Passur. I did just fire up Flight Simulator 2004 tho with an SR-20 to
see if that turn is even possible, and flying north at 100 kts, 30
degree bank to the left, maintaining level flight, I was not able to
avoid crossing over into Manhattan when starting from directly over the
east bank of the East River. Maybe it's doable at a slower speed, but
you'd have to probably drop flaps to safely slow the plane down more.
(not sure what the clean stall speed is of that plane).

--
Guy

[Gary Drescher]

"Guy Elden Jr" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> I don't have all the facts, just my experiences of having flown in the
> same general area quite a few times, and the radar track as seen on
> Passur. I did just fire up Flight Simulator 2004 tho with an SR-20 to
> see if that turn is even possible, and flying north at 100 kts, 30
> degree bank to the left, maintaining level flight, I was not able to
> avoid crossing over into Manhattan when starting from directly over the
> east bank of the East River. Maybe it's doable at a slower speed, but
> you'd have to probably drop flaps to safely slow the plane down more.
> (not sure what the clean stall speed is of that plane).

It's a tight enough turn that pilots shouldn't be flying it (other than in a
simulator) without first calculating the appropriate speed and bank for the
required turn radius. Practicing the turn first over suitably spaced
landmarks (but without the tall buildings nearby) would also be a good idea,
I think.

--Gary

[Steven P. McNicoll[_1_]]

"Guy Elden Jr" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>>
>> Why should nobody be speculating at this point?
>>
>
> That's the media's job. :)
>
> I don't have all the facts,
>

Having all the facts tends to preclude speculation.

[Mxsmanic]

Guy Elden Jr writes:

> I don't have all the facts, just my experiences of having flown in the
> same general area quite a few times, and the radar track as seen on
> Passur. I did just fire up Flight Simulator 2004 tho with an SR-20 to
> see if that turn is even possible, and flying north at 100 kts, 30
> degree bank to the left, maintaining level flight, I was not able to
> avoid crossing over into Manhattan when starting from directly over the
> east bank of the East River. Maybe it's doable at a slower speed, but
> you'd have to probably drop flaps to safely slow the plane down more.
> (not sure what the clean stall speed is of that plane).

You don't need to care about stalls in that plane--it has airbag
seatbelts, a parachute, and pretty color screens.

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[Steve Foley[_1_]]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...

> You don't need to care about stalls in that plane--it has airbag
> seatbelts, a parachute, and pretty color screens.

So when you stall if at 400 feet, which is going to save you, the airbag or
the chute?

You better stick with MSFS.

[Ron Natalie]

Steve Foley wrote:
> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> You don't need to care about stalls in that plane--it has airbag
>> seatbelts, a parachute, and pretty color screens.
>
> So when you stall if at 400 feet, which is going to save you, the airbag or
> the chute?
>
> You better stick with MSFS.
>
>
At least MSFS has pretty colored screens.

[Kev]

Steve Foley wrote:
> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > You don't need to care about stalls in that plane--it has airbag
> > seatbelts, a parachute, and pretty color screens.
>
> So when you stall if at 400 feet, which is going to save you, the airbag or
> the chute?
>
> You better stick with MSFS.

And you'd better stay away from irony, since you can't seem to
recognize it in other people's comments.

[Mxsmanic]

Steve Foley writes:

> So when you stall if at 400 feet, which is going to save you, the airbag or
> the chute?

The screens. Once they reboot, I'll be back in level flight again.

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[Mxsmanic]

Ron Natalie writes:

> At least MSFS has pretty colored screens.

Not as pretty as Cirrus aircraft. And they have nicer upholstery,
too.

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