Idiotic News Reporters

[Ron Snipes[_1_]]

After hearing all the speculation on the news today regarding the aircraft
that hit the building in NY, I was watching the press conference Mayor
Bloomburg was doing around 5:30pm. Some female reporter asked if the Flight
Data Recorder had been found yet? (I'm not bashing female reporters!)

Mayor Bloomburg handled it professionally, and stated that an airplane of
that size would not have a flight data recorder.

They are all trying to get on the air First...who cares if the info was
bogus. First it was supposed to be a helicopter.

I have spent 25 years in TV at local stations and a Video & Film Production
Company, so I'm aware of the problem.
Ron



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[Sylvain]

Ron Snipes wrote:

> They are all trying to get on the air First...who cares if the info was
> bogus. First it was supposed to be a helicopter.

I am waiting for the report from Jon Stewart on the 'The Daily Show';
the last news source you can trust on tv...

--Sylvain

[Dan Luke]

"Ron Snipes" wrote:

> Mayor Bloomburg handled it professionally, and stated that an airplane of
> that size would not have a flight data recorder.

Bloomberg was impressive. Calm and surprisingly knowledgable about
aviation,

Is he a pilot?

[Owen[_4_]]

Dan Luke wrote:

> "Ron Snipes" wrote:
>
> > Mayor Bloomburg handled it professionally, and stated that an airplane of
> > that size would not have a flight data recorder.
>
> Bloomberg was impressive. Calm and surprisingly knowledgable about
> aviation,
>
> Is he a pilot?

I don't think so, but I'd imagine he is quite familiar with general aviation.

[Emily]

Owen wrote:
> Dan Luke wrote:
>
>> "Ron Snipes" wrote:
>>
>>> Mayor Bloomburg handled it professionally, and stated that an airplane of
>>> that size would not have a flight data recorder.
>> Bloomberg was impressive. Calm and surprisingly knowledgable about
>> aviation,
>>
>> Is he a pilot?
>
> I don't think so, but I'd imagine he is quite familiar with general aviation.
>
Just for kicks, imagine Daley if this had happened in Chicago.

[.Blueskies.]

"Ron Snipes" > wrote in message .. .
: After hearing all the speculation on the news today regarding the aircraft
: that hit the building in NY, I was watching the press conference Mayor
: Bloomburg was doing around 5:30pm. Some female reporter asked if the Flight
: Data Recorder had been found yet? (I'm not bashing female reporters!)
:
: Mayor Bloomburg handled it professionally, and stated that an airplane of
: that size would not have a flight data recorder.
:
: They are all trying to get on the air First...who cares if the info was
: bogus. First it was supposed to be a helicopter.
:
: I have spent 25 years in TV at local stations and a Video & Film Production
: Company, so I'm aware of the problem.
: Ron
:
:

I like the sensational word that all were using...raining debris and fire on the ground...flames leaping from the
windows...smoke billowing out...

[Jon Kraus]

Yes he is a pilot, and he owns a '92 Mooney Ovation:

Name: : BLOOMBERG, MICHAEL RUBENS
Airman's Address : 17 E 79TH ST
NEW YORK, NY, 10021-0101
FAA Region : Eastern
Date of Medical : May, 2005
Class of Medical : 3
Expiration of Class 3 : May, 2007
Airman Certificates : Private Pilot
Airplane Single and Multi Engine Land
Rotorcraft Helicopter
Instrument Airplane

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ UMP


Dan Luke wrote:
> "Ron Snipes" wrote:
>
>
>>Mayor Bloomburg handled it professionally, and stated that an airplane of
>>that size would not have a flight data recorder.
>
>
> Bloomberg was impressive. Calm and surprisingly knowledgable about
> aviation,
>
> Is he a pilot?
>
>

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Owen wrote:
>> Bloomberg was impressive. Calm and surprisingly knowledgable about
>> aviation,
>>
>> Is he a pilot?
>
> I don't think so, but I'd imagine he is quite familiar with general aviation.


I just visited the FAA's airmen database and was suitably impressed. He's a
private pilot with ASMEL, rotorcraft, and instrument ratings.

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/

There's only one Michael Bloomberg in New York state listed and the middle name
is the same as the mayor's.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Owen[_4_]]

".Blueskies." wrote:

> "Ron Snipes" > wrote in message .. .
> : After hearing all the speculation on the news today regarding the aircraft
> : that hit the building in NY, I was watching the press conference Mayor
> : Bloomburg was doing around 5:30pm. Some female reporter asked if the Flight
> : Data Recorder had been found yet? (I'm not bashing female reporters!)
> :
> : Mayor Bloomburg handled it professionally, and stated that an airplane of
> : that size would not have a flight data recorder.
> :
> : They are all trying to get on the air First...who cares if the info was
> : bogus. First it was supposed to be a helicopter.
> :
> : I have spent 25 years in TV at local stations and a Video & Film Production
> : Company, so I'm aware of the problem.
> : Ron
> :
> :
>
> I like the sensational word that all were using...raining debris and fire on the ground...flames leaping from the
> windows...smoke billowing out...

Was any of that *not true*? From the pictures and video that I've seen, it sure appears to have been true. If you
were a reporter, what descriptive words would you have been using to describe what was going on?

[.Blueskies.]

"Owen" > wrote in message ...
: ".Blueskies." wrote:
:
: > "Ron Snipes" > wrote in message .. .
: > : After hearing all the speculation on the news today regarding the aircraft
: > : that hit the building in NY, I was watching the press conference Mayor
: > : Bloomburg was doing around 5:30pm. Some female reporter asked if the Flight
: > : Data Recorder had been found yet? (I'm not bashing female reporters!)
: > :
: > : Mayor Bloomburg handled it professionally, and stated that an airplane of
: > : that size would not have a flight data recorder.
: > :
: > : They are all trying to get on the air First...who cares if the info was
: > : bogus. First it was supposed to be a helicopter.
: > :
: > : I have spent 25 years in TV at local stations and a Video & Film Production
: > : Company, so I'm aware of the problem.
: > : Ron
: > :
: > :
: >
: > I like the sensational word that all were using...raining debris and fire on the ground...flames leaping from the
: > windows...smoke billowing out...
:
: Was any of that *not true*? From the pictures and video that I've seen, it sure appears to have been true. If you
: were a reporter, what descriptive words would you have been using to describe what was going on?

No, and that is the point. Something like the plane fell to the ground after hitting the building...the apartment was
burning...

I also like the way the fire is perpetually burning on CNN. One account said the fire was out in 20 minutes, but the
coverage showed it burning constantly. You could see the water coming out of the windows and the white steam, and then
they would cut away and begin the loop again...

[Greg Farris]

In article >,
says...
>
>
>Yes he is a pilot, and he owns a '92 Mooney Ovation:
>
>Name: : BLOOMBERG, MICHAEL RUBENS
>Airman's Address : 17 E 79TH ST
> NEW YORK, NY, 10021-0101
>FAA Region : Eastern
>Date of Medical : May, 2005
>Class of Medical : 3
>Expiration of Class 3 : May, 2007
>Airman Certificates : Private Pilot
> Airplane Single and Multi Engine Land
> Rotorcraft Helicopter
> Instrument Airplane
>



GOOD! - we can hope that's a strong voice to counter the inevitable cries to
"do something" - like closing the NYC VFR corridors permanently.

You can't really blame the press for being all over it. They are always
desperate for something to report, and the crash really did produce more smoke
and fire than many of us might have imagined.

I'm hoping the Sports Star status of the victim will help to "de-villainize"
the whole thing in the general public's mind, and divert some attention away
from the "dangerous GA" theme.

GF

[Emily]

Greg Farris wrote:
> In article >,
<snipped poor Michael's information>

> I'm hoping the Sports Star status of the victim will help to "de-villainize"
> the whole thing in the general public's mind, and divert some attention away
> from the "dangerous GA" theme.

No, it makes it worse. GA killed a "celebrity".

[Tom Conner]

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> Greg Farris wrote:
> > In article >,

> <snipped poor Michael's information>
>
> > I'm hoping the Sports Star status of the victim will help
> > to "de-villainize" the whole thing in the general public's
> > mind, and divert some attention away from the "dangerous GA"
> > theme.
>
> No, it makes it worse. GA killed a "celebrity".

What this accident did is bring GA to the public's attention. The 99.9% of
the public that does not deal with GA never really thinks about GA until
something like this happens to bring it to their attention. However, once
their attention is focused on the subject then they start to wonder why
"these little planes" can just fly whenever and wherever they want with no
restrictions.

The problem we are going to have from this accident is that Boyer and others
are going to say that GA is no threat. Yet, the public has just seen an
apartment complex on fire from a little plane "slamming" into it. Now that
they are thinking about the subject someone is going to start wondering what
would happen if the plane had been full of explosives and the target was
some public gathering. Expect people to start postulating on the
destructive power of a VLJ fully loaded with explosives. I doubt if Boyer
is going to be able to pull his magic over this crash. At the very least,
the DC no-fly area will increase in size, and maybe other cities will be
included.

[Kingfish]

Jon Kraus wrote:
> Yes he is a pilot, and he owns a '92 Mooney Ovation:
>

I don't think that's the same guy. Mayor Bloomberg owns a Falcon 900.
It flew into Bridgeport, CT (BDR) once or twice while I worked there in
operations. It's registered in the Bahamas - I doubt he'd own a Mooney.

[Jon Kraus]

You are incorrect... He owns a 1992 Mooney Bravo tail # N504MB. No soup
for you!! ;-)

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ UMP

Kingfish wrote:
> Jon Kraus wrote:
>
>>Yes he is a pilot, and he owns a '92 Mooney Ovation:
>>
>
>
> I don't think that's the same guy. Mayor Bloomberg owns a Falcon 900.
> It flew into Bridgeport, CT (BDR) once or twice while I worked there in
> operations. It's registered in the Bahamas - I doubt he'd own a Mooney.
>

[B A R R Y[_1_]]

Sylvain wrote:
> Ron Snipes wrote:
>
>> They are all trying to get on the air First...who cares if the info was
>> bogus. First it was supposed to be a helicopter.
>
> I am waiting for the report from Jon Stewart on the 'The Daily Show';
> the last news source you can trust on tv...

Or Colbert! <G>

[B A R R Y[_1_]]

Jon Kraus wrote:
> Yes he is a pilot, and he owns a '92 Mooney Ovation:
>
> Name: : BLOOMBERG, MICHAEL RUBENS

> Airman Certificates : Private Pilot
> Airplane Single and Multi Engine Land
> Rotorcraft Helicopter
> Instrument Airplane
>

Wow!! Fixed and rotor!

Very cool.

[Jim Macklin]

He is a billionaire and can afford it.




"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
m...
| Jon Kraus wrote:
| > Yes he is a pilot, and he owns a '92 Mooney Ovation:
| >
| > Name: : BLOOMBERG, MICHAEL RUBENS
|
| > Airman Certificates : Private Pilot
| > Airplane Single and Multi
Engine Land
| > Rotorcraft Helicopter
| > Instrument Airplane
| >
|
| Wow!! Fixed and rotor!
|
| Very cool.

[Michael Houghton]

Howdy!

In article t>,
Tom Conner > wrote:
>
[snip]

>The problem we are going to have from this accident is that Boyer and others
>are going to say that GA is no threat. Yet, the public has just seen an
>apartment complex on fire from a little plane "slamming" into it. Now that
>they are thinking about the subject someone is going to start wondering what
>would happen if the plane had been full of explosives and the target was
>some public gathering. Expect people to start postulating on the
>destructive power of a VLJ fully loaded with explosives. I doubt if Boyer
>is going to be able to pull his magic over this crash. At the very least,
>the DC no-fly area will increase in size, and maybe other cities will be
>included.
>
MacPaper (USAToday) ran an editorial today that went down that
path with the scare-mongering and such. They also ran a rebuttal
from Phil Boyer.

yours,
Michael
>


--
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| White Wolf and the Phoenix narrowwares
Bowie, MD, USA | http://whitewolfandphoenix.com
Proud member of the SCA Internet Whitewash Squad

[Kingfish]

Jon Kraus wrote:
> You are incorrect... He owns a 1992 Mooney Bravo tail # N504MB. No soup
> for you!! ;-)
>

Gee, lucky for me I don't like soup <G> Interesting pairing, a Falcon
900 and Mooney. Probably because of his understanding of aviation,
Mayor Bloomberg hasn't been screaming for TFRs over NYC - Unlike some
other asswipe mayor of another large midwest U.S. city...

[PA-12]

>
> There's only one Michael Bloomberg in New York state listed and the middle name
> is the same as the mayor's.
>
He is, and he got a lot of crap in the local papers a couple of years
ago for taking the controls of an NYPD Helicopter and flying around the
harbour.

[B A R R Y[_1_]]

Kingfish wrote:
> Jon Kraus wrote:
>> You are incorrect... He owns a 1992 Mooney Bravo tail # N504MB. No soup
>> for you!! ;-)
>>
>
> Gee, lucky for me I don't like soup <G>

The middle name of Rubens did it for me. <G>

[Dave B.]

OMG that is exactly what I was telling my wife this morning.

That would have been an embarrassment to Chicago. Daley almost looks like he
is TRYING to be inarticulate. And of course his knowledge of aviation is so
small as to be negative knowledge. In this area he is a veritable black
hole.

I too thought Bloomberg was very impressive. I did hear on the CNN broadcast
that he is a pilot, but half of what they said yesterday was probably wrong.

"Emily" > wrote in message
...
> Owen wrote:
>> Dan Luke wrote:
>>
>>> "Ron Snipes" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mayor Bloomburg handled it professionally, and stated that an airplane
>>>> of
>>>> that size would not have a flight data recorder.
>>> Bloomberg was impressive. Calm and surprisingly knowledgable about
>>> aviation,
>>>
>>> Is he a pilot?
>>
>> I don't think so, but I'd imagine he is quite familiar with general
>> aviation.
>>
> Just for kicks, imagine Daley if this had happened in Chicago.

[Ron]

I was surprised this morning; CNN's Miles O'Brien has been doing quite
knowledgeable coverage on this. He's a Cirrus SR-20 owner/pilot, and
had some very plausible scenarios as to how a new pilot/owner might
interact even with a CFI. Sometimes a CFI might let a situation occur
as a teaching exercise, but then it escalates out of control.

Media coverage IS awful, but we the viewers DEMAND continuous non-stop
injections of input from these people. They either find an interviewee
who will say something "relevant," or they give up the on-air thing.

I'm so old, I remember when JFK was murdered. I was in college. All we
could think of to do was to sit the Hell there and watch. I did that,
until Jack Ruby walked over and smoked Oswald, whereupon I left and
went to dinner. I believe non-stop coverage began that evening.


RON

..

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Ron wrote:
> They either find an interviewee
> who will say something "relevant," or they give up the on-air thing.

I saw that clip on CNN where they were making a case that these small
GA airports where not up to spec on security measures making it seem
like anyone can get into a plane and ram it into a building. What the
%@!& !!! Like you can't load a Rider truck with ammonium nitrate and
blow up a building? So we are to screen everyone owning and renting
out trucks or just pick on GA?

Tien

[Mxsmanic]

Owen writes:

> Was any of that *not true*? From the pictures and video that I've seen,
> it sure appears to have been true. If you were a reporter, what
> descriptive words would you have been using to describe what was going on?

Debris falling, flames coming out of windows, smoke coming out of
windows.

--
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[Mxsmanic]

writes:

> I saw that clip on CNN where they were making a case that these small
> GA airports where not up to spec on security measures making it seem
> like anyone can get into a plane and ram it into a building.

What prevents it?

> Like you can't load a Rider truck with ammonium nitrate and
> blow up a building?

You can do that, too, unfortunately.

> So we are to screen everyone owning and renting
> out trucks or just pick on GA?

The goal of the state is to control everything eventually.

--
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[gatt]

"Tom Conner" > wrote in message
nk.net...
>
> What this accident did is bring GA to the public's attention. The 99.9%
> of
> the public that does not deal with GA never really thinks about GA until
> something like this happens to bring it to their attention. However, once
> their attention is focused on the subject then they start to wonder why
> "these little planes" can just fly whenever and wherever they want with no
> restrictions.


I don't know anybody in the public---the great, mysterious "they" that we're
somehow not part of--who thinks that way.

> Now that they are thinking about the subject someone is going to start
> wondering what
> would happen if the plane had been full of explosives and the target was
> some public gathering.

Oh, really? People in New York might freak out about the possibility of
terrorists flying airplanes into things?

Gee. I wonder why.


=c

[gatt]

".Blueskies." > wrote in message
. net...

> I like the sensational word that all were using...raining debris and fire
> on the ground...flames leaping from the
> windows...smoke billowing out...

Nobody reads passive voice.

"An building was struck by an airplane. There was a fire. Burning debris was
falling to the ground and there was smoke."

"Smoke billowed out" includes an active verb, whereas "there was smoke
coming out" is weak.

-c
"Nothing happened today when an airplane collided with a building in New
York City except that there was a little fire and two dead occupants." .

[gatt]

".Blueskies." > wrote in message
. net...

> I also like the way the fire is perpetually burning on CNN. One account
> said the fire was out in 20 minutes, but the
> coverage showed it burning constantly. You could see the water coming out
> of the windows and the white steam, and then
> they would cut away and begin the loop again...

For 20 whole minutes?

-c

[Matt Barrow]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Ron wrote:
>> They either find an interviewee
>> who will say something "relevant," or they give up the on-air thing.
>
> I saw that clip on CNN where they were making a case that these small
> GA airports where not up to spec on security measures making it seem
> like anyone can get into a plane and ram it into a building. What the
> %@!& !!! Like you can't load a Rider truck with ammonium nitrate and
> blow up a building? So we are to screen everyone owning and renting
> out trucks or just pick on GA?
>
http://boortz.com/nuze/200610/10122006.html#crash

[Bob Chilcoat]

I think this again makes a good case again that light aircraft just aren't
very good terrorist weapons. Look what happened. The two pilots got
killed. No one on the ground was killed (yeah, a few were injured). Even
the people IN the apartment that was hit got out (yeah, they were probably
lucky). The plane was apparently starting a long cross country, so the
tanks were presumably full. Even with full tanks the fire was out in 20
minutes. Most of the plane fell out of the hole it made. The engine and
prop were the only major parts that stayed in the building. At most, five
or six apartments were affected. The building is still standing with little
damage. Every day in New York, cars leave the road and mow down a
pedestrian or two, sometimes more. It makes the news. If I were planning
to make a big terrorist statement, I'd do what Timothy McVeigh did, fill a
large truck with explosives and drive it into town. About the last thing
I'd choose would be my Archer.

Like the kid in Tampa, little planes against buildings are more like a bug
on a windshield. The fire made it a bit worse, but still minor compared
with Oklahoma City.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Ron wrote:
>> They either find an interviewee
>> who will say something "relevant," or they give up the on-air thing.
>
> I saw that clip on CNN where they were making a case that these small
> GA airports where not up to spec on security measures making it seem
> like anyone can get into a plane and ram it into a building. What the
> %@!& !!! Like you can't load a Rider truck with ammonium nitrate and
> blow up a building? So we are to screen everyone owning and renting
> out trucks or just pick on GA?
>
> Tien
>

[.Blueskies.]

"gatt" > wrote in message ...
:
:: "Nothing happened today when an airplane collided with a building in New
: York City except that there was a little fire and two dead occupants." .
:
:

I do like that one...nothing happening here, move along....

[vincent p. norris]

>> What this accident did is bring GA to the public's attention. The 99.9%
>> of the public that does not deal with GA never really thinks about GA until
>> something like this happens to bring it to their attention. However, once
>> their attention is focused on the subject then they start to wonder why
>> "these little planes" can just fly whenever and wherever they want with no
>> restrictions.
>
>I don't know anybody in the public---the great, mysterious "they" that we're
>somehow not part of--who thinks that way.

I regret to say that I've seen and heard that view expressed more than
once.

vince norris