Video of my friends buzzing a Moscow highway

[HECTOP]

Missed me, eh? Just got permission from my friends to publish this video of
them (stupid idiots!) buzing a highway just outside of Moscow, Russia in a
PZL Wilga-35 along with their wives(!) on the backseat :)

http://hectop.livejournal.com/281702.html

Yours truly

HECTOP
PP-ASEL-IA
http://www.maxho.com
maxho_at_maxho.com

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

HECTOP wrote:
> Missed me, eh? Just got permission from my friends to publish this video of
> them (stupid idiots!) buzing a highway just outside of Moscow, Russia in a
> PZL Wilga-35 along with their wives(!) on the backseat :)
>
> http://hectop.livejournal.com/281702.html


Around here we have power lines to prevent that sort of thing. Of course,
anybody can do it once.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Marco Leon]

Looking forward to seeing them in the Darwin Awards in the near future.

Hope all is well.

HECTOP wrote:
> Missed me, eh? Just got permission from my friends to publish this video of
> them (stupid idiots!) buzing a highway just outside of Moscow, Russia in a
> PZL Wilga-35 along with their wives(!) on the backseat :)
>
> http://hectop.livejournal.com/281702.html
>

[Jay Honeck]

> Missed me, eh? Just got permission from my friends to publish this video of
> them (stupid idiots!) buzing a highway just outside of Moscow, Russia in a
> PZL Wilga-35 along with their wives(!) on the backseat :)
>
> http://hectop.livejournal.com/281702.html

Welcome back!

I can't believe you sent this video to YouTube instead of us! Since
you've been gone, our hotel site has grown into the largest collection
of aviation videos on the internet, with over 300 of them. See
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm

Your friend's video would make an excellent addition to the site, as an
example of what NOT to do. How large is the file?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Kingfish]

Marco Leon wrote:
> Looking forward to seeing them in the Darwin Awards in the near future.
>

Yep. True genius there. That kind of display usually precipitates a
slamming. (a nod to our resident troll)
Just got the email about the East River (NYC) TFR. We all knew it was
coming, right? As tragic as the loss of two lives was, unfortunately
every time something like this happens we all look like idiots. All
over something that was completely preventable.

[Emily]

Kingfish wrote:
> Marco Leon wrote:
>> Looking forward to seeing them in the Darwin Awards in the near future.
>>
>
> Yep. True genius there. That kind of display usually precipitates a
> slamming. (a nod to our resident troll)
> Just got the email about the East River (NYC) TFR. We all knew it was
> coming, right? As tragic as the loss of two lives was

You know what I just realized? They didn't even kill anyone but
themselves, and GA is STILL in the wrong. How does that happen?

[Marco Leon]

Emily wrote:
>
> You know what I just realized? They didn't even kill anyone but
> themselves, and GA is STILL in the wrong. How does that happen?

I (and probably Phil Boyer) would love to know how an accident like
this (regardless of who's killed) can be spun to put GA in the "right."

Marco

[Emily]

Marco Leon wrote:
> Emily wrote:
>> You know what I just realized? They didn't even kill anyone but
>> themselves, and GA is STILL in the wrong. How does that happen?
>
> I (and probably Phil Boyer) would love to know how an accident like
> this (regardless of who's killed) can be spun to put GA in the "right."
>
> Marco
>
I guess my point was that they didn't even kill anyone who wasn't in the
plane and everyone's still screaming about how dangerous GA is. This is
going to come out wrong, but as long as we just kill ourselves, why does
the general population even care? Hell, drunk drivers probably kill
more bystanders in one week than GA does in a decade.

[Kingfish]

Marco Leon wrote:
> Emily wrote:
> >
> > You know what I just realized? They didn't even kill anyone but
> > themselves, and GA is STILL in the wrong. How does that happen?
>
> I (and probably Phil Boyer) would love to know how an accident like
> this (regardless of who's killed) can be spun to put GA in the "right."
>
> Marco

Not sure that it could. Doing something dumb in a car doesn't have the
same potential consequences (normally) as doing something dumb in an
airplane.

[Emily]

Kingfish wrote:
> Marco Leon wrote:
>> Emily wrote:
>>> You know what I just realized? They didn't even kill anyone but
>>> themselves, and GA is STILL in the wrong. How does that happen?
>> I (and probably Phil Boyer) would love to know how an accident like
>> this (regardless of who's killed) can be spun to put GA in the "right."
>>
>> Marco
>
> Not sure that it could. Doing something dumb in a car doesn't have the
> same potential consequences (normally) as doing something dumb in an
> airplane.
>

I'm wondering if there is any data of aircraft crashes that killed
people on the ground compared to accidents that killed passenger and
crew only.

[Marc Adler]

On Oct 13, 10:01 pm, Emily > wrote:

> I guess my point was that they didn't even kill anyone who wasn't in the
> plane and everyone's still screaming about how dangerous GA is.

So it's not dangerous as long as you don't kill anyone?

> This is
> going to come out wrong,

No, it came out exactly as you intended it.

> but as long as we just kill ourselves, why does
> the general population even care?

Aside from the economic reasons which are too obvious to mention,
premature death is generally considered a bad thing, and societies
generally try to do what they can to prevent it. (Cf. street lights,
paved roads, drinking ages, the FAA, DOT, DOE, DOA, US GOVT, etc.)

> Hell, drunk drivers probably kill
> more bystanders in one week than GA does in a decade.

But it would be okay if the drunk drivers were just killing themselves,
right?

I sure hope you don't have kids.

Marc

[Marco Leon]

Emily wrote:
> I guess my point was that they didn't even kill anyone who wasn't in the
> plane and everyone's still screaming about how dangerous GA is. This is
> going to come out wrong, but as long as we just kill ourselves, why does
> the general population even care? Hell, drunk drivers probably kill
> more bystanders in one week than GA does in a decade.

I gotcha. People will always regard GA as dangerous. Now way we can
eliminate that.

Actually, I can understand that people may be concerned about people's
safety on the ground since the condo occupant was real close to getting
killed and only luck kept anyone from getting hurt by the falling
wreckage.

To me, the calls for increased security are much more unfair.

Marco

[Peter R.]

Marc Adler > wrote:

> I sure hope you don't have kids.

Is that really necessary?

--
Peter

[[email protected]]

> Hell, drunk drivers probably kill
> more bystanders in one week than GA does in a decade.


But it would be okay if the drunk drivers were just killing themselves,

right?

I sure hope you don't have kids.


Marc
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Geez, Thats a no brainer,, If one is going to drive while drunk it is
FAR better for them to
take themselves out then kill an innocent driver that shares the road
with them. Now it's my turn,

I hope like hell you don't have kids.......

Ben

[Emily]

>> Hell, drunk drivers probably kill
>> more bystanders in one week than GA does in a decade.
>
>
> But it would be okay if the drunk drivers were just killing themselves,
>
> right?
>
> I sure hope you don't have kids.
>
Oh, a personal attack!!!! Wow!

[Matt Barrow]

"Kingfish" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Just got the email about the East River (NYC) TFR. We all knew it was
> coming, right? As tragic as the loss of two lives was, unfortunately
> every time something like this happens we all look like idiots.

Hmmm...if say, a "Afro-American" (or whatever PC term is used nowadays)
commits a heinous crime, does that make all AA's look like dangerous
criminals?

Is Americans capacity for thought that far gone? If so, we're in really deep
****.

[Matt Barrow]

"Kingfish" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Not sure that it could. Doing something dumb in a car doesn't have the
> same potential consequences (normally) as doing something dumb in an
> airplane.

Until you take out a mini-van with six kids in it that crosses your path...

[Emily]

Matt Barrow wrote:
> "Kingfish" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Just got the email about the East River (NYC) TFR. We all knew it was
>> coming, right? As tragic as the loss of two lives was, unfortunately
>> every time something like this happens we all look like idiots.
>
> Hmmm...if say, a "Afro-American" (or whatever PC term is used nowadays)
> commits a heinous crime, does that make all AA's look like dangerous
> criminals?

Isn't that how stereotypes generally come about? Attributing
characteristics of a small amount of people to the entire group?

[[email protected]]

seeing power lines is a required skill to be learned. A correct type
of light is required and glare is critically an issue.

A speed of less than 80 knots allows easy sight and so if the small
power line is visible
it is like landing an aircraft.

So the rather hard part is training people for low level flight. And
so the nice clean window is also required.

The worst to see are small noncommercial lines, private power lines
crossing the river or highway. A poor tree line visibility is assured
because there is no cutt woods to see!

No pole either, the line just appears out of the woods alongside the
road.

All in all it is better to clear the highway at 100 feet then retrace
the route at 20 feet.





HECTOP wrote:
> Missed me, eh? Just got permission from my friends to publish this video of
> them (stupid idiots!) buzing a highway just outside of Moscow, Russia in a
> PZL Wilga-35 along with their wives(!) on the backseat :)
>
> http://hectop.livejournal.com/281702.html
>
> Yours truly
>
> HECTOP
> PP-ASEL-IA
> http://www.maxho.com
> maxho_at_maxho.com

[tjd]

Emily wrote:
> I'm wondering if there is any data of aircraft crashes that killed
> people on the ground compared to accidents that killed passenger and
> crew only.

it's in the Nall report under Ground Injuries: Off-Airport. The
numbers are # of accidents with injuries/fatalities and total # of
fatalities.

2005: 4 total/0 fatal (0 fatalities)
2004: 8 total/1 fatal (1 fatality)
2003: 9 total/3 fatal (4 fatalities)
2002: 10 total/3 fatal (3 fatalities)
2001: 3 total/0 fatal (0 fatalities)

According to nsc.org, in 2003, motor vehicle accidents resulted in the
deaths of 5991 pedestrians (plus 762 bicyclists)... but of course the
planes are what everyone should be afraid of.

todd.

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Kingfish" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Marco Leon wrote:
>> Emily wrote:
>> >
>> > You know what I just realized? They didn't even kill anyone but
>> > themselves, and GA is STILL in the wrong. How does that happen?
>>
>> I (and probably Phil Boyer) would love to know how an accident like
>> this (regardless of who's killed) can be spun to put GA in the "right."
>>
>> Marco
>
> Not sure that it could. Doing something dumb in a car doesn't have the
> same potential consequences (normally) as doing something dumb in an
> airplane.
>

Here is someone who did EXACTLY the same thing in a car as what just
happened in New York.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060913-121015-2641r

http://wcbstv.com/watercooler/local_story_255120049.html

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"HECTOP" > wrote in message
...
> Missed me, eh? Just got permission from my friends to publish this video of
> them (stupid idiots!) buzing a highway just outside of Moscow, Russia in a
> PZL Wilga-35 along with their wives(!) on the backseat :)
>
> http://hectop.livejournal.com/281702.html

You posted this same E-mail around a year ago. Did you just get permission
again?

Who thought that was a good thing back then, also?

Are you working on troll status, now? You have my vote.
--
Jim in NC

[Mxsmanic]

Emily writes:

> You know what I just realized? They didn't even kill anyone but
> themselves, and GA is STILL in the wrong. How does that happen?

It happens when people cannot identify with other people. When you
cannot understand another person's viewpoint, you tend to make him the
target of all fears and hatred.

--
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[Mxsmanic]

Emily writes:

> I guess my point was that they didn't even kill anyone who wasn't in the
> plane and everyone's still screaming about how dangerous GA is. This is
> going to come out wrong, but as long as we just kill ourselves, why does
> the general population even care?

Because it was on CNN for three days.

> Hell, drunk drivers probably kill more bystanders in one week than
> GA does in a decade.

But drunk drivers don't appear on CNN.

--
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[Mxsmanic]

Matt Barrow writes:

> Is Americans capacity for thought that far gone?

Yes.

> If so, we're in really deep ****.

Yes. You are only just now noticing this?

--
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[Yury Faktorovich]

Morgans > wrote:
> You posted this same E-mail around a year ago. Did you just get permission
> again?
> Who thought that was a good thing back then, also?
> Are you working on troll status, now? You have my vote.

Jim,

I understand that this kind of response is standard r.a.p etiquette, the
good old spirit of mutual respect, how could I forget, but please don't get
off your Paxil just yet, as then I only posted a photo and only now I got
permission to post the video.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/487cbd7a14448cb2

Have a nice day

HECTOP
PP-ASEL-IA
http://www.maxho.com
maxho_at_maxho.com

[HECTOP]

Morgans > wrote:
> You posted this same E-mail around a year ago. Did you just get permission
> again?
> Who thought that was a good thing back then, also?
> Are you working on troll status, now? You have my vote.

Jim,

I understand that this kind of response is standard r.a.p etiquette, the
good old spirit of mutual respect, how could I forget, but please don't get
off your Paxil just yet, as then I only posted a photo and only now I got
permission to post the video.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/487cbd7a14448cb2

Have a nice day

HECTOP
PP-ASEL-IA
http://www.maxho.com
maxho_at_maxho.com

[Marc Adler]

On Oct 13, 10:35 pm, "Peter R." > wrote:

> Is that really necessary?

No. My bad. No excuses.

Marc

[Marc Adler]

On Oct 14, 4:20 am, " > wrote:

> Geez, Thats a no brainer,, If one is going to drive while drunk it is
> FAR better for them to
> take themselves out then kill an innocent driver that shares the road
> with them.

Interesting. So you also think it's okay for drunk drivers to kill
themselves.

Oh, my bad! I didn't know I was posting to
alt.womens.christian.temperance.union.

Marc

[[email protected]]

Benford is a "boy.... Emily is a "Girl". My comment was meant just as I
typed it. A Drunk driver is better off killing him/herself long before
it is ok to kill other innocent people on the road with him. What part
of that don't you get??????

Ben


Marc Adler wrote:
> On Oct 14, 4:20 am, " > wrote:
>
> > Geez, Thats a no brainer,, If one is going to drive while drunk it is
> > FAR better for them to
> > take themselves out then kill an innocent driver that shares the road
> > with them.
>
> Interesting. So you also think it's okay for drunk drivers to kill
> themselves.
>
> Oh, my bad! I didn't know I was posting to
> alt.womens.christian.temperance.union.
>
> Marc

[Jay Honeck]

> I understand that this kind of response is standard r.a.p etiquette, the
> good old spirit of mutual respect, how could I forget, but please don't get
> off your Paxil just yet, as then I only posted a photo and only now I got
> permission to post the video.

And now, thanks to Yury's generosity, you can view it (and save a copy
for yourself) here:

http://alexisparkinn.com/general_aviation_videos.htm

(Look under the title "Highway Buzz Job"...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Kingfish]

Matt Barrow wrote:
> "Kingfish" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Just got the email about the East River (NYC) TFR. We all knew it was
> > coming, right? As tragic as the loss of two lives was, unfortunately
> > every time something like this happens we all look like idiots.
>
> Hmmm...if say, a "Afro-American" (or whatever PC term is used nowadays)
> commits a heinous crime, does that make all AA's look like dangerous
> criminals?
>

To some, yes. That's an interesting argument to make, considering the
scrutiny aviation has come under since 9/11. When the non-flying public
sees another small plane accident, in this case a high profile crash,
it has to color their opinions of GA and maybe question the safety of
small aircraft flying over cities. It's this kind of negative attention
that we don't need.

[Kingfish]

Matt Barrow wrote:
> "Kingfish" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > Not sure that it could. Doing something dumb in a car doesn't have the
> > same potential consequences (normally) as doing something dumb in an
> > airplane.
>
> Until you take out a mini-van with six kids in it that crosses your path...

That's why I said "normally". We don't have the same margin for error
in flying as in most other avocations/pursuits.

[Marc Adler]

On Oct 15, 4:37 pm, " > wrote:

> A Drunk driver is better off killing him/herself long before
> it is ok to kill other innocent people on the road with him. What part
> of that don't you get??????

The part I don't get is this: I know you're trying to draw a
distinction between drunk drivers killing other people and drunk
drivers killing themselves, but isn't a death a death? Do you think the
families of people who drive drunk and kill themselves mourn their
losses any less because "it was his/her own fault"?

Marc