Does a Baron 58 have an ejection seat?

[Mxsmanic]

I note in the simulation of the Baron in MSFS (Dreamfleet's
simulation), there's a button on the left side of the pilot, part of
several rows of buttons, marked "Ejection seat." I don't know if this
is a joke on the part of the developers, or something that really
exists in the aircraft. In the latter case, the only reason I can
think of for it would be if it were something that existed on a
military version of the aircraft. Is it really there?

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Viperdoc[_1_]]

My Baron is equipped with the optional Aces II ejection seats in the front
only. Rather than a ballistic parachute, Beechcraft offered the option of
ejection seats. They are zero-zero (will deploy a chute at zero altitude and
zero forward velocity).

The seat pan has a deployable survival kit as well as a self inflating raft.

[Jim Macklin]

The Beechjet has a StarTrek matter-transporter that will
beam the passengers and cargo safely to the ground at the
nearest discrete place, then it switches to phaser mode and
destroys the aircraft so there is no dangerous debris
falling on any city.


"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
...
| My Baron is equipped with the optional Aces II ejection
seats in the front
| only. Rather than a ballistic parachute, Beechcraft
offered the option of
| ejection seats. They are zero-zero (will deploy a chute at
zero altitude and
| zero forward velocity).
|
| The seat pan has a deployable survival kit as well as a
self inflating raft.
|
|
|

[Dudley Henriques]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:X6yYg.3090$XX2.1488@dukeread04...
> The Beechjet has a StarTrek matter-transporter that will
> beam the passengers and cargo safely to the ground at the
> nearest discrete place, then it switches to phaser mode and
> destroys the aircraft so there is no dangerous debris
> falling on any city.

Careful there Jim....we don't want him ejaculating himself from the
simulator! :-)
D

[Newps]

Viperdoc wrote:

> My Baron is equipped with the optional Aces II ejection seats in the front
> only. Rather than a ballistic parachute, Beechcraft offered the option of
> ejection seats. They are zero-zero (will deploy a chute at zero altitude and
> zero forward velocity).
>
> The seat pan has a deployable survival kit as well as a self inflating raft.


My Bonanza also has the optional ejection seat. Since mine is the lower
powered rocket Beech had to install the V tail. Pilot and passenger
pass thru the Vee in an emergency.

[Jim Macklin]

LOL

BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
Einstein's equation works both ways, E=MC^2 means that to
create matter with a weight equal to a person would require
the energy of several thousand atomic bombs, under full
control and without destruction of the mechanism.



"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| news:X6yYg.3090$XX2.1488@dukeread04...
| > The Beechjet has a StarTrek matter-transporter that will
| > beam the passengers and cargo safely to the ground at
the
| > nearest discrete place, then it switches to phaser mode
and
| > destroys the aircraft so there is no dangerous debris
| > falling on any city.
|
| Careful there Jim....we don't want him ejaculating himself
from the
| simulator! :-)
| D
|
|

[Jim Macklin]

No idea, the BE400 is available in military versions as the
T-1 Jayhawk. I have never seen a Beech plane with sloppy
metal work, the Beechjet is especially well done. There
could be a composite material making some sort of antenna.
If you see it again, take a picture and get the N-number.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P
BE400/MU300
"B A R R Y" > wrote in
message ...
| On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 16:55:16 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| > wrote:
|
| >The Beechjet
|
| Speaking of those, I was checking one out on the ground @
HVN
| yesterday, and I've got a question for a BeechJet pilot:
|
| The BJ400 that I was viewing looked like it a had a
"plate" bent over
| the top and welded on. The sheeting wasn't flush with the
rest of the
| fuselage. This "plate" started about halfway up the fuse,
and about 5
| feet behind the cockpit windows.
|
| What's up with that?

[Emily]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> LOL
>
> BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
> happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.

Damn you. You just destroyed my dream of never having to sit in traffic
again.

[Dudley Henriques]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:QNyYg.3098$XX2.1632@dukeread04...
> LOL
>
> BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
> happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
> Einstein's equation works both ways, E=MC^2 means that to
> create matter with a weight equal to a person would require
> the energy of several thousand atomic bombs, under full
> control and without destruction of the mechanism.

Hell Jim, I'm still trying to deal with Scrodenger's cat and after dinner I
have to find why Fermat outsmarted both me and the Pythagoreans with the 3rd
exponent!!! :-)))
Dudley

[Jim Macklin]

Don't know for sure. It could be a military version with
air to air refueling added and the "plate could be a shield
for the pressure vessel with the repecepticle. It could be
CIA. I'd be interested in what it is.


"B A R R Y" > wrote in
message ...
| On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:39:12 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| > wrote:
|
| >No idea, the BE400 is available in military versions as
the
| >T-1 Jayhawk. I have never seen a Beech plane with sloppy
| >metal work, the Beechjet is especially well done. There
| >could be a composite material making some sort of
antenna.
| >If you see it again, take a picture and get the N-number.
|
| I will, it was very weird. This appeared to be a civil
aircraft, but
| who knows if it started out that way. Maybe it's
undercover Secret
| Service, CIA or FBI? <G>
|
| The sheet metal work on my Sundowner is excellent, and I'd
expect even
| better on a jet.
|
| The antenna suggestion is interesting, as the "plate" was
~ 1/4"
| thick. Almost like armor or some sort of shield.

[Jim Macklin]

That really should have said "and not just because of"...

"Emily" > wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > LOL
| >
| > BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
| > happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
|
| Damn you. You just destroyed my dream of never having to
sit in traffic
| again.

[Jim Macklin]

The US Army is now testing smart camo that uses active LCD
woven into the cloth to act like a chameleon and blend into
the background.



"B A R R Y" > wrote in
message ...
| On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:34:27 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| > wrote:
|
| >LOL
| >
| >BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
| >happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
|
| On a side note related to Star Trek, did you happen to see
the article
| in the recent "Discover" magazine about "visual
cloaking"?
|
| Interesting, to say the least...

[Jim Macklin]

I think a StarWars light saber might be possible with a
controlled magnetic field and plasma.


"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| news:QNyYg.3098$XX2.1632@dukeread04...
| > LOL
| >
| > BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
| > happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
| > Einstein's equation works both ways, E=MC^2 means that
to
| > create matter with a weight equal to a person would
require
| > the energy of several thousand atomic bombs, under full
| > control and without destruction of the mechanism.
|
| Hell Jim, I'm still trying to deal with Scrodenger's cat
and after dinner I
| have to find why Fermat outsmarted both me and the
Pythagoreans with the 3rd
| exponent!!! :-)))
| Dudley
|
|

[Jay Honeck]

> I think a StarWars light saber might be possible with a
> controlled magnetic field and plasma.

Which, of course, always begs the question of: "Why?"

I know, I know -- because it's an elegant weapon. But without The
Force to guide your hand, you're just a sitting duck for a guy in a
walker with a laser cannon...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Emily]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> I think a StarWars light saber might be possible with a
>> controlled magnetic field and plasma.
>
> Which, of course, always begs the question of: "Why?"

You never need a reason to build a light saber.

> I know, I know -- because it's an elegant weapon. But without The
> Force to guide your hand, you're just a sitting duck for a guy in a
> walker with a laser cannon...

And who says some of us can't use the Force? <g>

[Jay Beckman]

"Crash Lander" > wrote in message
...
> "Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
> news:X6yYg.3090$XX2.1488@dukeread04...
>> The Beechjet has a StarTrek matter-transporter that will
>> beam the passengers and cargo safely to the ground at the
>> nearest discrete place, then it switches to phaser mode and
>> destroys the aircraft so there is no dangerous debris
>> falling on any city.
>>
>
> ::points tri-corder towards Mxsmanic and turns to Jim::
> "It's life Jim, but not as we know it! Not as we know it! Captain!"
> Crash Lander
>

I was thinking more of the line from the episode called "Spock's Brain."

"It's his brain, Jim...They've TAKEN his brain..."

Jay B

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:QNyYg.3098$XX2.1632@dukeread04...
> LOL
>
> BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
> happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
> Einstein's equation works both ways, E=MC^2 means that to
> create matter with a weight equal to a person would require
> the energy of several thousand atomic bombs, under full
> control and without destruction of the mechanism.

Obviously you meant to add "using current known technologies!"
Crash Lander

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:X6yYg.3090$XX2.1488@dukeread04...
> The Beechjet has a StarTrek matter-transporter that will
> beam the passengers and cargo safely to the ground at the
> nearest discrete place, then it switches to phaser mode and
> destroys the aircraft so there is no dangerous debris
> falling on any city.
>

::points tri-corder towards Mxsmanic and turns to Jim::
"It's life Jim, but not as we know it! Not as we know it! Captain!"
Crash Lander

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:34:27 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
> > wrote:
>
>>LOL
>>
>>BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
>>happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
>
> On a side note related to Star Trek, did you happen to see the article
> in the recent "Discover" magazine about "visual cloaking"?
>
> Interesting, to say the least...

Sounds like the Philadelphia Experiment. (I think that's what it was called)
Crash Lander

[Marty Shapiro]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in
news:X6yYg.3090$XX2.1488@dukeread04:

> The Beechjet has a StarTrek matter-transporter that will
> beam the passengers and cargo safely to the ground at the
> nearest discrete place, then it switches to phaser mode and
> destroys the aircraft so there is no dangerous debris
> falling on any city.
>
>
> "Viperdoc" > wrote in message
> ...
>| My Baron is equipped with the optional Aces II ejection
> seats in the front
>| only. Rather than a ballistic parachute, Beechcraft
> offered the option of
>| ejection seats. They are zero-zero (will deploy a chute at
> zero altitude and
>| zero forward velocity).
>|
>| The seat pan has a deployable survival kit as well as a
> self inflating raft.
>|
>|
>|
>
>

I once watched a Beech Starship take off at KSJC and cloaking as it
turned on the SUNOL departure.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

[Jim Macklin]

It would be a great weapon for self-defense in the London
and NYC subways [underground] since the government has not
passed any laws against carrying a flashlight [torch] yet.


Besides, you could get one with downloadable ring-tones.
There's an idea, light saber noise for you cellphone. "I've
got to answer this, it is from Yoda"


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
|> I think a StarWars light saber might be possible with a
| > controlled magnetic field and plasma.
|
| Which, of course, always begs the question of: "Why?"
|
| I know, I know -- because it's an elegant weapon. But
without The
| Force to guide your hand, you're just a sitting duck for a
guy in a
| walker with a laser cannon...
|
| ;-)
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|

[Jim Macklin]

The Force is always with me.


"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
| Jay Honeck wrote:
| >> I think a StarWars light saber might be possible with a
| >> controlled magnetic field and plasma.
| >
| > Which, of course, always begs the question of: "Why?"
|
| You never need a reason to build a light saber.
|
| > I know, I know -- because it's an elegant weapon. But
without The
| > Force to guide your hand, you're just a sitting duck for
a guy in a
| > walker with a laser cannon...
|
| And who says some of us can't use the Force? <g>

[Jim Macklin]

If I send only energy waves, the energy required to for a 2
Kg mass would be equal to the fuel in a 30 megaton bomb. To
create a 100 Kg person's mass would take fifty times that
[don't ask, I didn't actually bother to solve the equation
and I don't know for sure that critical mass is 2 Kg.] But
the energy would create "dust" [dust to dust, rust to rust]
and it would be dead, have no memory and no DNA.

As soon as we develop the power of the one and only GOD, we
can create a new universe and wait a billion years for it to
cool and condense. Evolution [part of God's plan] takes
over and tada, you've been transported.


"Crash Lander" > wrote in message
...
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| news:QNyYg.3098$XX2.1632@dukeread04...
| > LOL
| >
| > BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
| > happen and [NOT] just because of the Heisenberg (sp)
effect.
| > Einstein's equation works both ways, E=MC^2 means that
to
| > create matter with a weight equal to a person would
require
| > the energy of several thousand atomic bombs, under full
| > control and without destruction of the mechanism.
|
| Obviously you meant to add "using current known
technologies!"
| Crash Lander
|
|

[Jim Macklin]

When StarTrek was in its first run, Shatner and Nemoy
learned how to fly. In one episode, Kirk asks for some
hyperspace navigation from Spock and he whips out his trusty
full-size, metal E6b, slides the blade and spins the wheel
and reports some arrival time.

StarTrek also had Compact Flashcards 25 years before the PC,
everybody carried them around and slipped them into card
readers on the consoles and in the arms of chairs. They
also had computers that talked and typewriters that
recognized voice.

Sulu like guns and sword fighting. The women wore dresses
that were so short, they would make the hookers in NYC
blush.




"Crash Lander" > wrote in message
...
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| news:X6yYg.3090$XX2.1488@dukeread04...
| > The Beechjet has a StarTrek matter-transporter that will
| > beam the passengers and cargo safely to the ground at
the
| > nearest discrete place, then it switches to phaser mode
and
| > destroys the aircraft so there is no dangerous debris
| > falling on any city.
| >
|
| ::points tri-corder towards Mxsmanic and turns to Jim::
| "It's life Jim, but not as we know it! Not as we know it!
Captain!"
| Crash Lander
|
|

[Jim Macklin]

But Bones gets a brain boost and can put it back, "Its child
play."
"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
news:odAYg.3840$ef2.3475@fed1read09...
|
| "Crash Lander" > wrote in message
| ...
| > "Jim Macklin" >
wrote in message
| > news:X6yYg.3090$XX2.1488@dukeread04...
| >> The Beechjet has a StarTrek matter-transporter that
will
| >> beam the passengers and cargo safely to the ground at
the
| >> nearest discrete place, then it switches to phaser mode
and
| >> destroys the aircraft so there is no dangerous debris
| >> falling on any city.
| >>
| >
| > ::points tri-corder towards Mxsmanic and turns to Jim::
| > "It's life Jim, but not as we know it! Not as we know
it! Captain!"
| > Crash Lander
| >
|
| I was thinking more of the line from the episode called
"Spock's Brain."
|
| "It's his brain, Jim...They've TAKEN his brain..."
|
| Jay B
|
|

[Dudley Henriques]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:ecCYg.3122$XX2.1705@dukeread04...
> It would be a great weapon for self-defense in the London
> and NYC subways [underground] since the government has not
> passed any laws against carrying a flashlight [torch] yet.
>
>
> Besides, you could get one with downloadable ring-tones.
> There's an idea, light saber noise for you cellphone. "I've
> got to answer this, it is from Yoda"

"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny;
consume you it will"
:-)

[Emily]

Jim Macklin wrote:
>The women wore dresses
> that were so short, they would make the hookers in NYC
> blush.

My dad wasn't allowed to watch that show, for the above reason.
<g>

[Jim Macklin]

Wisdom is where you find it.


I thought they smelled bad on the outside.

The Day the Earth Stood Still
"we come in peace" If you don't stop "Earth will be reduced
to a burned out cider"


"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| news:ecCYg.3122$XX2.1705@dukeread04...
| > It would be a great weapon for self-defense in the
London
| > and NYC subways [underground] since the government has
not
| > passed any laws against carrying a flashlight [torch]
yet.
| >
| >
| > Besides, you could get one with downloadable ring-tones.
| > There's an idea, light saber noise for you cellphone.
"I've
| > got to answer this, it is from Yoda"
|
| "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it
dominate your destiny;
| consume you it will"
| :-)
|
|

[Jim Macklin]

I think Gene Rodenberry was sexual oppressed. Green women,
pleasure planets, Kirk made it with every crew member and
visitor from another planet. Tribbles were "born pregnant"
and on the Next Generation, they had sex as often as
possible.

But it is all fun.

Like stories of old, because of the laws, an author would
write about crazy kings in Denmark or tiny countries that
fought wars over which end of the egg to open.

Sci-Fi is the great protest for social change. It is safe
to say because it isn't about Clinton or Bush or Korea. I'm
waiting for the new sci-fi movie, I WAS A TEENAGE HOOKER
FROM OUTER SPACE followed by I AM A TEEN NUDIST FROM ANOTHER
PLANET.




"Emily" > wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| >The women wore dresses
| > that were so short, they would make the hookers in NYC
| > blush.
|
| My dad wasn't allowed to watch that show, for the above
reason.
| <g>

[Blanche Cohen]

Jim Macklin > wrote:
>It would be a great weapon for self-defense in the London
>and NYC subways [underground] since the government has not
>passed any laws against carrying a flashlight [torch] yet.
>
>Besides, you could get one with downloadable ring-tones.
>There's an idea, light saber noise for you cellphone. "I've
>got to answer this, it is from Yoda"

Answer this I must. From Yoda it is.

[Blanche Cohen]

Jim Macklin > wrote:
>Wisdom is where you find it.
>
>I thought they smelled bad on the outside.
>
>The Day the Earth Stood Still
>"we come in peace" If you don't stop "Earth will be reduced
>to a burned out cider"

All the World's a Stage,
and the Men and Women merely Players.
And if the reviews don't get better,
I'm closing the show.

(with apologies to Will S. and whoever writ the last 2 lines)

[Mxsmanic]

Does anyone actually have an answer to the question?

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Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Jim Macklin]

Back to airplanes... I've been talking with my son and
thinking about the perfect solution to airplane crashes.

Design an airplane with the top like a space shuttle cargo
door. Carry some very light weight high pressure hydrogen
or Helium tanks and a three bag blimp folded into the top.
In an emergency, pull the handle and your plane becomes a
blimp with the airplane being the gondola. If the engines
run, you can even steer.
As you near the ground, airbags such as a car or a Mars
Rover use, will be popped out fore landing. [This would be
a great idea on a BRS airplane to avoid the broken back and
ankles. A plane like a Bonanza has the seats on the spar
and will surely break your back if you landed by parachute.]
If the airbags were shaped like a boat you could row your
boat to shore. But just round bags under the fuselage and
wings would keep you upright in the water too.

It would be VERY safe because it would be so heavy it would
never get off the ground.



"Blanche Cohen" > wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin > wrote:
| >Wisdom is where you find it.
| >
| >I thought they smelled bad on the outside.
| >
| >The Day the Earth Stood Still
| >"we come in peace" If you don't stop "Earth will be
reduced
| >to a burned out cider"
|
| All the World's a Stage,
| and the Men and Women merely Players.
| And if the reviews don't get better,
| I'm closing the show.
|
| (with apologies to Will S. and whoever writ the last 2
lines)
|
|

[cjcampbell]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> LOL
>
> BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
> happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
> Einstein's equation works both ways, E=MC^2 means that to
> create matter with a weight equal to a person would require
> the energy of several thousand atomic bombs, under full
> control and without destruction of the mechanism.

The only reason it works on Star Trek is because of the discovery of
controlled matter-antimatter reactions. In the early days it was
difficult and dangerous, but dilithium crystals found on other planets
made control of the reaction much easier. The transporter was
impossible without the crystals, as was related technology, including
the communicators. The communicators did not use radio waves as we know
them, but were really miniature transporters that moved data. The
phasers, including the hand weapons, also used this technology.
Everything in Star Trek, from the spacecraft engines to shields,
cloaking devices, communicators, the Tricorder and Dr. McCoy's
examination pen were all variants of the same fundamental device. Even
the Holodeck is dependent on it.

[cjcampbell]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> I think a StarWars light saber might be possible with a
> controlled magnetic field and plasma.

But it would not allow users to parry like in Star Wars. This is the
real problem with Star Wars technology. Light does not behave like
light. In Star Wars, you can have force fields which you can see
through but they repel visible laser light. Same problem in Star Trek.
A force field that repels a photon torpedo must, of necessity, be
opaque.

Star Wars is a lot worse, though. WW II battleship scenes and aerial
fights involving solid projectiles and explosives, but the recoil of
these never seems affect the ship using them. You can blow up a Ti
fighter heading straight at you, and the particles do no damage to your
ship despite the fact that they have the same mass and speed and are
now probably even more dangerous. Ships have artificial gravity, but
when one of them is shot down and tilts toward a planet, everyone falls
towards the nose (planetside) of the ship. What, the artificial gravity
always points toward the nearest planet rather than the floor of the
ship, or if it fails the planet's gravity can suddenly be felt on a
ship in orbit?

And where do these guys get off with the noise in space? Noisy
explosions (and you hear the noise at the moment of the explosion, too,
not delayed for a time while the sound travels to you -- even if you
are on a planet and it is a starship many miles above you that is
exploding). And noisy spaceships and engines. What ever happened to the
silence of "2001: A Space Odyssey" (no doubt the "music of the spheres"
was playing "Blue Danube" all along)?

But back to light sabers. Larry Niven in his stories posited a
"variable sword." This is actually a wire only one molecule thick (and
therefore extremely sharp) coiled in the handle of a flashlight-like
device. The wire can be extended out any length up to about four feet.
It is held straight and rigid by a force field that affects only the
wire -- the same type of force field that enables spaceships to crash
into planets without harm to the occupants (although they may be buried
beneath tons of rock). If this was a glowing force field, it would look
just like a light saber. So you could say that Lucas was just copying
something that Larry Niven had already invented.

[cjcampbell]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Does anyone actually have an answer to the question?

Yes, but we are not going to tell you. You just have to go find a real
Baron and look for yourself.

[Jim Macklin]

Well then, until we can go to other planets, it will have to
wait. Wait, Catch 22, no warp drive, can't get there to get
warp drive.



"cjcampbell" > wrote in
message
ups.com...
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > LOL
| >
| > BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
| > happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
| > Einstein's equation works both ways, E=MC^2 means that
to
| > create matter with a weight equal to a person would
require
| > the energy of several thousand atomic bombs, under full
| > control and without destruction of the mechanism.
|
| The only reason it works on Star Trek is because of the
discovery of
| controlled matter-antimatter reactions. In the early days
it was
| difficult and dangerous, but dilithium crystals found on
other planets
| made control of the reaction much easier. The transporter
was
| impossible without the crystals, as was related
technology, including
| the communicators. The communicators did not use radio
waves as we know
| them, but were really miniature transporters that moved
data. The
| phasers, including the hand weapons, also used this
technology.
| Everything in Star Trek, from the spacecraft engines to
shields,
| cloaking devices, communicators, the Tricorder and Dr.
McCoy's
| examination pen were all variants of the same fundamental
device. Even
| the Holodeck is dependent on it.
|

[Jim Macklin]

A magnetic field could contain plasma [ which is hot and
emits light ]. Pulsing the field would create the noise and
allow the plasma to contact normal matter. The high
frequency pulse would re-establish the containment.


"cjcampbell" > wrote in
message
oups.com...
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > I think a StarWars light saber might be possible with a
| > controlled magnetic field and plasma.
|
| But it would not allow users to parry like in Star Wars.
This is the
| real problem with Star Wars technology. Light does not
behave like
| light. In Star Wars, you can have force fields which you
can see
| through but they repel visible laser light. Same problem
in Star Trek.
| A force field that repels a photon torpedo must, of
necessity, be
| opaque.
|
| Star Wars is a lot worse, though. WW II battleship scenes
and aerial
| fights involving solid projectiles and explosives, but the
recoil of
| these never seems affect the ship using them. You can blow
up a Ti
| fighter heading straight at you, and the particles do no
damage to your
| ship despite the fact that they have the same mass and
speed and are
| now probably even more dangerous. Ships have artificial
gravity, but
| when one of them is shot down and tilts toward a planet,
everyone falls
| towards the nose (planetside) of the ship. What, the
artificial gravity
| always points toward the nearest planet rather than the
floor of the
| ship, or if it fails the planet's gravity can suddenly be
felt on a
| ship in orbit?
|
| And where do these guys get off with the noise in space?
Noisy
| explosions (and you hear the noise at the moment of the
explosion, too,
| not delayed for a time while the sound travels to you --
even if you
| are on a planet and it is a starship many miles above you
that is
| exploding). And noisy spaceships and engines. What ever
happened to the
| silence of "2001: A Space Odyssey" (no doubt the "music of
the spheres"
| was playing "Blue Danube" all along)?
|
| But back to light sabers. Larry Niven in his stories
posited a
| "variable sword." This is actually a wire only one
molecule thick (and
| therefore extremely sharp) coiled in the handle of a
flashlight-like
| device. The wire can be extended out any length up to
about four feet.
| It is held straight and rigid by a force field that
affects only the
| wire -- the same type of force field that enables
spaceships to crash
| into planets without harm to the occupants (although they
may be buried
| beneath tons of rock). If this was a glowing force field,
it would look
| just like a light saber. So you could say that Lucas was
just copying
| something that Larry Niven had already invented.
|

[Thomas Borchert]

Jim,

> and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
>

Ah, you're wrong. The Heisenberg correlator does away with that
problem. Part of any decent beaming device. The technical advisors to
Star Trek were asked once in an interview how the correlator works.
Answer: "Thanks, just fine."

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

B,

> > Is it really there?
>
> I doubt it, but I haven't flown a Baron.
>

Ah, then you know less than Manic, per his defition, who at least has
"flown" the sim-Baron. How dare you even try and answer?!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Jay,

> I know, I know -- because it's an elegant weapon. But without The
> Force to guide your hand, you're just a sitting duck for a guy in a
> walker with a laser cannon...
>

Ah, that greatest of all scenes in Indiana Jones in that Arabic market,
where he fights an armada of guys in hand-to-hand combat, and then the
top guy comes on elaborately swinging his sword - and indy simply
shoots him.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[cjcampbell]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> A magnetic field could contain plasma [ which is hot and
> emits light ]. Pulsing the field would create the noise and
> allow the plasma to contact normal matter. The high
> frequency pulse would re-establish the containment.

Heck of a battery in that flashlight handle.

[B A R R Y[_1_]]

Thomas Borchert wrote:

>How dare you even try and answer?!

Excellent point.

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
Thomas Borchert > wrote:

> Jay,
>
> > I know, I know -- because it's an elegant weapon. But without The
> > Force to guide your hand, you're just a sitting duck for a guy in a
> > walker with a laser cannon...
> >
>
> Ah, that greatest of all scenes in Indiana Jones in that Arabic market,
> where he fights an armada of guys in hand-to-hand combat, and then the
> top guy comes on elaborately swinging his sword - and indy simply
> shoots him.

Topped by the scene in the next movie where indy encounters
the same situation and confidently reaches down for his sidearm
but it's missing!

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
Thomas Borchert > wrote:

> Jim,
>
> > and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
> >
>
> Ah, you're wrong. The Heisenberg correlator does away with that
> problem. Part of any decent beaming device. The technical advisors to
> Star Trek were asked once in an interview how the correlator works.
> Answer: "Thanks, just fine."

Don't need a Heisenbery coorelator as quantum physics was shown to
be a myth (SG-1, season 1, episode 16)

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Viperdoc[_1_]]

Your question was asked and answered. It got all of the attention it
deserved.

[mike regish]

That's what the dilithium crystal fusion drives produce.

Don't you know anything?

mike

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:QNyYg.3098$XX2.1632@dukeread04...
> LOL
>
> BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
> happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
> Einstein's equation works both ways, E=MC^2 means that to
> create matter with a weight equal to a person would require
> the energy of several thousand atomic bombs, under full
> control and without destruction of the mechanism.
>
>

[Emily]

Thomas Borchert wrote:
> Jay,
>
>> I know, I know -- because it's an elegant weapon. But without The
>> Force to guide your hand, you're just a sitting duck for a guy in a
>> walker with a laser cannon...
>>
>
> Ah, that greatest of all scenes in Indiana Jones in that Arabic market,
> where he fights an armada of guys in hand-to-hand combat, and then the
> top guy comes on elaborately swinging his sword - and indy simply
> shoots him.
>

I LOVE that scene.

[Thomas Borchert]

Viperdoc,

> Your question was asked and answered. It got all of the attention it
> deserved.
>

And he'd know better anyway.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Dudley Henriques]

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> Thomas Borchert wrote:
>> Jay,
>>
>>> I know, I know -- because it's an elegant weapon. But without The
>>> Force to guide your hand, you're just a sitting duck for a guy in a
>>> walker with a laser cannon...
>>>
>>
>> Ah, that greatest of all scenes in Indiana Jones in that Arabic market,
>> where he fights an armada of guys in hand-to-hand combat, and then the
>> top guy comes on elaborately swinging his sword - and indy simply shoots
>> him.
>>
>
> I LOVE that scene.

Got a friend in the business who relates that this scene was not even in the
script. Ford was fooling around with the actor swinging the sword; pulled
the gun and shot him. Story is that Spielberg absolutely broke up laughing;
immediately stopped filming long enough to put the scene in the script and
reshot it the same day.
The story is now a permanent dinner story at the Spielbergs' I'm told.
Dudley Henriques

[Peter R.]

Dudley Henriques > wrote:

> Got a friend in the business who relates that this scene was not even in the
> script. Ford was fooling around with the actor swinging the sword; pulled
> the gun and shot him. Story is that Spielberg absolutely broke up laughing;
> immediately stopped filming long enough to put the scene in the script and
> reshot it the same day.

I read that this scene was a result of Harrison having food poisoning the
day of that scene's shoot.

IMDB has a similar tale in their trivia section of the movie:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082971/trivia

(scroll down to the bottom and it is two up from the last entry)

--
Peter

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:QNyYg.3098$XX2.1632@dukeread04...
> LOL
>
> BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
> happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
> Einstein's equation works both ways, E=MC^2 means that to
> create matter with a weight equal to a person would require
> the energy of several thousand atomic bombs, under full
> control and without destruction of the mechanism.
>

Which the Enterprise has because of the Matter/Anti-Matter reactor which is
of course controlled by the Dilythium(sic) Crystals. Any school boy in 2350
knows that you silly goose.

[Jim Macklin]

I had a typo and left out a word... and NOT just because of
the Heisenberg (sp) effect.

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in
message ...
| Jim,
|
| > and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
| >
|
| Ah, you're wrong. The Heisenberg correlator does away with
that
| problem. Part of any decent beaming device. The technical
advisors to
| Star Trek were asked once in an interview how the
correlator works.
| Answer: "Thanks, just fine."
|
| --
| Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
|

[Jim Macklin]

If I remember that scene and the suit case packing scene, it
was a S&W 1917 45 ACP. A very good gun to this day.



"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in
message ...
| Jay,
|
| > I know, I know -- because it's an elegant weapon. But
without The
| > Force to guide your hand, you're just a sitting duck for
a guy in a
| > walker with a laser cannon...
| >
|
| Ah, that greatest of all scenes in Indiana Jones in that
Arabic market,
| where he fights an armada of guys in hand-to-hand combat,
and then the
| top guy comes on elaborately swinging his sword - and indy
simply
| shoots him.
|
| --
| Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
|

[Jim Macklin]

Practical American thinking, we need that more often today.


"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Emily" > wrote in message
| . ..
| > Thomas Borchert wrote:
| >> Jay,
| >>
| >>> I know, I know -- because it's an elegant weapon. But
without The
| >>> Force to guide your hand, you're just a sitting duck
for a guy in a
| >>> walker with a laser cannon...
| >>>
| >>
| >> Ah, that greatest of all scenes in Indiana Jones in
that Arabic market,
| >> where he fights an armada of guys in hand-to-hand
combat, and then the
| >> top guy comes on elaborately swinging his sword - and
indy simply shoots
| >> him.
| >>
| >
| > I LOVE that scene.
|
| Got a friend in the business who relates that this scene
was not even in the
| script. Ford was fooling around with the actor swinging
the sword; pulled
| the gun and shot him. Story is that Spielberg absolutely
broke up laughing;
| immediately stopped filming long enough to put the scene
in the script and
| reshot it the same day.
| The story is now a permanent dinner story at the
Spielbergs' I'm told.
| Dudley Henriques
|
|

[Jim Macklin]

When talking fantasy, I can have fuel cells, atomic power,
anti-matter.

In 10,000 years the 1911 .45 ACP will still be the hand
weapon of choice.



"cjcampbell" > wrote in
message
ps.com...
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > A magnetic field could contain plasma [ which is hot and
| > emits light ]. Pulsing the field would create the noise
and
| > allow the plasma to contact normal matter. The high
| > frequency pulse would re-establish the containment.
|
| Heck of a battery in that flashlight handle.
|

[Jim Macklin]

But the Klingon's use a small blackhole for power. The
Federation could just wait a few days and their ships would
absorb itself.



"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| news:QNyYg.3098$XX2.1632@dukeread04...
| > LOL
| >
| > BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
| > happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
| > Einstein's equation works both ways, E=MC^2 means that
to
| > create matter with a weight equal to a person would
require
| > the energy of several thousand atomic bombs, under full
| > control and without destruction of the mechanism.
| >
|
| Which the Enterprise has because of the Matter/Anti-Matter
reactor which is
| of course controlled by the Dilythium(sic) Crystals. Any
school boy in 2350
| knows that you silly goose.
|
|

[Matt Barrow]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Hell Jim, I'm still trying to deal with Scrodenger's cat and after dinner
> I have to find why Fermat outsmarted both me and the Pythagoreans with the
> 3rd exponent!!! :-)))

Schrödinger's cat was rabid!!

[Matt Barrow]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> I think a StarWars light saber might be possible with a
>> controlled magnetic field and plasma.
>
> Which, of course, always begs the question of: "Why?"
>
> I know, I know -- because it's an elegant weapon. But without The
> Force to guide your hand, you're just a sitting duck for a guy in a
> walker with a laser cannon...
>

Hell, you'd be a sitting duck for a guy with an old Colt Peacemaker!

[Matt Barrow]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:gcCYg.3123$XX2.3105@dukeread04...
> The Force is always with me.

"On second thought, let's not go to Camelot...tis a silly place"

>
>
> "Emily" > wrote in message
> . ..
> | Jay Honeck wrote:
> | >> I think a StarWars light saber might be possible with a
> | >> controlled magnetic field and plasma.
> | >
> | > Which, of course, always begs the question of: "Why?"
> |
> | You never need a reason to build a light saber.
> |
> | > I know, I know -- because it's an elegant weapon. But
> without The
> | > Force to guide your hand, you're just a sitting duck for
> a guy in a
> | > walker with a laser cannon...
> |
> | And who says some of us can't use the Force? <g>
>
>

[Emily]

Matt Barrow wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Hell Jim, I'm still trying to deal with Scrodenger's cat and after dinner
>> I have to find why Fermat outsmarted both me and the Pythagoreans with the
>> 3rd exponent!!! :-)))
>
> Schrödinger's cat was rabid!!
>
>
Or dead.....

[Dudley Henriques]

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> Matt Barrow wrote:
>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> Hell Jim, I'm still trying to deal with Scrodenger's cat and after
>>> dinner I have to find why Fermat outsmarted both me and the Pythagoreans
>>> with the 3rd exponent!!! :-)))
>>
>> Schrödinger's cat was rabid!!
> Or dead.....

yes.......but was he REALLY dead?????????? :-))
Dudley

[Matt Barrow]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Emily" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Matt Barrow wrote:
>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Hell Jim, I'm still trying to deal with Scrodenger's cat and after
>>>> dinner I have to find why Fermat outsmarted both me and the
>>>> Pythagoreans with the 3rd exponent!!! :-)))
>>>
>>> Schrödinger's cat was rabid!!
>> Or dead.....
>
> yes.......but was he REALLY dead?????????? :-))

[Super high pitch voice on]

"He was really and sincerely dead"

[regular voice on]

[Jim Macklin]

David Carradine as QwiChang Caine could swat bullets, was
Yoda a ShoLin? spelling phonetic.



"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
|
oups.com...
| >> I think a StarWars light saber might be possible with a
| >> controlled magnetic field and plasma.
| >
| > Which, of course, always begs the question of: "Why?"
| >
| > I know, I know -- because it's an elegant weapon. But
without The
| > Force to guide your hand, you're just a sitting duck for
a guy in a
| > walker with a laser cannon...
| >
|
| Hell, you'd be a sitting duck for a guy with an old Colt
Peacemaker!
|
|

[Jim Macklin]

Always look at the bright side of life.




"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| news:gcCYg.3123$XX2.3105@dukeread04...
| > The Force is always with me.
|
| "On second thought, let's not go to Camelot...tis a silly
place"
|
| >
| >
| > "Emily" > wrote in message
| > . ..
| > | Jay Honeck wrote:
| > | >> I think a StarWars light saber might be possible
with a
| > | >> controlled magnetic field and plasma.
| > | >
| > | > Which, of course, always begs the question of:
"Why?"
| > |
| > | You never need a reason to build a light saber.
| > |
| > | > I know, I know -- because it's an elegant weapon.
But
| > without The
| > | > Force to guide your hand, you're just a sitting duck
for
| > a guy in a
| > | > walker with a laser cannon...
| > |
| > | And who says some of us can't use the Force? <g>
| >
| >
|
|

[Jim Macklin]

Never try to teach a pig algebra, it annoys the pig and
wastes your time.




"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
| Matt Barrow wrote:
| > "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in
message
| > ...
| >>
| >> Hell Jim, I'm still trying to deal with Scrodenger's
cat and after dinner
| >> I have to find why Fermat outsmarted both me and the
Pythagoreans with the
| >> 3rd exponent!!! :-)))
| >
| > Schrödinger's cat was rabid!!
| >
| >
| Or dead.....

[Jim Macklin]

Didn't Tim Leary say something like. "I think, therefore the
LSD is wearing off"



"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Emily" > wrote in message
| . ..
| > Matt Barrow wrote:
| >> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in
message
| >> ...
| >>>
| >>> Hell Jim, I'm still trying to deal with Scrodenger's
cat and after
| >>> dinner I have to find why Fermat outsmarted both me
and the Pythagoreans
| >>> with the 3rd exponent!!! :-)))
| >>
| >> Schrödinger's cat was rabid!!
| > Or dead.....
|
| yes.......but was he REALLY dead?????????? :-))
| Dudley
|
|

[Jim Burns[_1_]]

Cool... I wonder if MS will have a sim for it that will work in all modes?
Jim

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:mYNYg.4974$XX2.2663@dukeread04...
> But the Klingon's use a small blackhole for power. The
> Federation could just wait a few days and their ships would
> absorb itself.
>

No No No... It's the Romulans that use the blackhole for power.

[Mxsmanic]

Thomas Borchert writes:

> Ah, that greatest of all scenes in Indiana Jones in that Arabic market,
> where he fights an armada of guys in hand-to-hand combat, and then the
> top guy comes on elaborately swinging his sword - and indy simply
> shoots him.

It was shot that way because Harrison Ford was quite sick on the day
of that shoot (like many others in the crew, thanks to bad food), and
someone suggested he simply shoot the guy instead of fighting him, to
save time. The director liked it and kept it.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"cjcampbell" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Jim Macklin wrote:
>> LOL
>>
>> BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
>> happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
>> Einstein's equation works both ways, E=MC^2 means that to
>> create matter with a weight equal to a person would require
>> the energy of several thousand atomic bombs, under full
>> control and without destruction of the mechanism.
>
> The only reason it works on Star Trek is because of the discovery of
> controlled matter-antimatter reactions. In the early days it was
> difficult and dangerous, but dilithium crystals found on other planets
> made control of the reaction much easier. The transporter was
> impossible without the crystals,

The transporter on Star Trek works because they were scheduled to start
shooting and the shuttle craft / set wasn't done so they had to come up with
something quick to get up and down to a planet.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[Emily]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> Never try to teach a pig algebra, it annoys the pig and
> wastes your time.

I was joking. In a former life, I was a physics major.

[Al G[_1_]]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:wHPYg.4992$XX2.155@dukeread04...
> Never try to teach a pig algebra, it annoys the pig and
> wastes your time.
>

A very old flight instructor, and good friend of mine, used to say:
"Never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the Pig."
Not too long ago I saw a sig on one of these groups:"Teaching Pigs to sing
since 1976". I almost hurt myself laughing.

Al G

[Jim Macklin]

Are you sure, does it make a difference?

Another StarTrek NextGen error in logic. Worf breaks his
back, he wants to die because to be saved as a cripple would
be a dishonor. He dies on the operating table but his
REDUNDANT Klingon body heals itself. I may have gotten a
detail or two wrong.

BUT, since Klingons seek death and kill their wounded, how
would nature ever develop a redundant system?



"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| news:mYNYg.4974$XX2.2663@dukeread04...
| > But the Klingon's use a small blackhole for power. The
| > Federation could just wait a few days and their ships
would
| > absorb itself.
| >
|
| No No No... It's the Romulans that use the blackhole for
power.
|
|

[Jim Macklin]

Truth, at last. It is all make believe.



"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com>
wrote in message
...
| "cjcampbell" > wrote in
message
|
ups.com...
| >
| > Jim Macklin wrote:
| >> LOL
| >>
| >> BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
| >> happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
| >> Einstein's equation works both ways, E=MC^2 means that
to
| >> create matter with a weight equal to a person would
require
| >> the energy of several thousand atomic bombs, under full
| >> control and without destruction of the mechanism.
| >
| > The only reason it works on Star Trek is because of the
discovery of
| > controlled matter-antimatter reactions. In the early
days it was
| > difficult and dangerous, but dilithium crystals found on
other planets
| > made control of the reaction much easier. The
transporter was
| > impossible without the crystals,
|
| The transporter on Star Trek works because they were
scheduled to start
| shooting and the shuttle craft / set wasn't done so they
had to come up with
| something quick to get up and down to a planet.
|
| --
| Geoff
| The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
| remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply
by mail
| When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.
|
|

[Jim Macklin]

In a former life I had a life.



"Emily" > wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > Never try to teach a pig algebra, it annoys the pig and
| > wastes your time.
|
| I was joking. In a former life, I was a physics major.

[Jim Macklin]

Humor is the reason I read the newspaper. Dilbert is the
only factual item in the paper on most days.



"Al G" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| news:wHPYg.4992$XX2.155@dukeread04...
| > Never try to teach a pig algebra, it annoys the pig and
| > wastes your time.
| >
|
| A very old flight instructor, and good friend of
mine, used to say:
| "Never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and
annoys the Pig."
| Not too long ago I saw a sig on one of these
groups:"Teaching Pigs to sing
| since 1976". I almost hurt myself laughing.
|
| Al G
|
|

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:48:00 -0700, "Matt Barrow" > wrote:

>
> "Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
> news:gcCYg.3123$XX2.3105@dukeread04...
> > The Force is always with me.
>
> "On second thought, let's not go to Camelot...tis a silly place"

And to combine this with the Star Trek references in other posts in this
thread....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QSaM5gQ9vo

Ron Wanttaja

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:YcVYg.5016$XX2.2905@dukeread04...
> Are you sure, does it make a difference?

Of course I'm sure and of course it doesn't. But this thread that is so
completly OT (and I'm about to make it worse) that it has at least made us
forget about what started it. Not to mention it proves what complete geeks
we really are.

>
> Another StarTrek NextGen error in logic. Worf breaks his
> back, he wants to die because to be saved as a cripple would
> be a dishonor. He dies on the operating table but his
> REDUNDANT Klingon body heals itself. I may have gotten a
> detail or two wrong.
>
> BUT, since Klingons seek death and kill their wounded, how
> would nature ever develop a redundant system?
>

I would assume that the Klingons evolved all of there reduntant biological
systems before they created their honor code/religion and that the
code/religion was strongly related to their reduntant biologigal system. The
fact that it makes it so hard for them to die makes doing so, in battle, all
the more honorable.




>
>
> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
> ...
> |
> | "Jim Macklin" > wrote
> in message
> | news:mYNYg.4974$XX2.2663@dukeread04...
> | > But the Klingon's use a small blackhole for power. The
> | > Federation could just wait a few days and their ships
> would
> | > absorb itself.
> | >
> |
> | No No No... It's the Romulans that use the blackhole for
> power.
> |
> |
>
>

[Mxsmanic]

"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com> writes:

> The transporter on Star Trek works because they were scheduled to start
> shooting and the shuttle craft / set wasn't done so they had to come up with
> something quick to get up and down to a planet.

I read that the concept was invented just to speed up the movement of
the plot in a one-hour program--otherwise a lot of time would
potentially be wasted with either shuttlecraft movements or take-offs
and landings of the entire Enterprise.

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[Blanche Cohen]

Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe <The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com> wrote:
>"cjcampbell" > wrote in message
>>
>> Jim Macklin wrote:
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
>>> happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
>>> Einstein's equation works both ways, E=MC^2 means that to
>>> create matter with a weight equal to a person would require
>>> the energy of several thousand atomic bombs, under full
>>> control and without destruction of the mechanism.
>>
>> The only reason it works on Star Trek is because of the discovery of
>> controlled matter-antimatter reactions. In the early days it was
>> difficult and dangerous, but dilithium crystals found on other planets
>> made control of the reaction much easier. The transporter was
>> impossible without the crystals,
>
>The transporter on Star Trek works because they were scheduled to start
>shooting and the shuttle craft / set wasn't done so they had to come up with
>something quick to get up and down to a planet.

Geoff:

Please cease your rational, pragmatic, logical and truthful comments
in this thread. They just don't make sense.

[Judah]

"cjcampbell" > wrote in
oups.com:

>
> But back to light sabers. Larry Niven in his stories posited a
> "variable sword." This is actually a wire only one molecule thick (and
> therefore extremely sharp) coiled in the handle of a flashlight-like
> device. The wire can be extended out any length up to about four feet.
> It is held straight and rigid by a force field that affects only the
> wire -- the same type of force field that enables spaceships to crash
> into planets without harm to the occupants (although they may be buried
> beneath tons of rock). If this was a glowing force field, it would look
> just like a light saber. So you could say that Lucas was just copying
> something that Larry Niven had already invented.
>

Larry Niven? Wasn't he in the Pink Panther? The Pink Panther didn't have a
light sabre!

[cjcampbell]

Judah wrote:
> "cjcampbell" > wrote in
> oups.com:
>
> >
> > But back to light sabers. Larry Niven in his stories posited a
> > "variable sword." This is actually a wire only one molecule thick (and
> > therefore extremely sharp) coiled in the handle of a flashlight-like
> > device. The wire can be extended out any length up to about four feet.
> > It is held straight and rigid by a force field that affects only the
> > wire -- the same type of force field that enables spaceships to crash
> > into planets without harm to the occupants (although they may be buried
> > beneath tons of rock). If this was a glowing force field, it would look
> > just like a light saber. So you could say that Lucas was just copying
> > something that Larry Niven had already invented.
> >
>
> Larry Niven? Wasn't he in the Pink Panther? The Pink Panther didn't have a
> light sabre!

That was David Niven. And, while I haven't looked, I would be surprised
if the Pink Panther has never had a light sabre. Larry Niven wrote a
series of novels called the Known Space novels. One of the things
common to all these novels is the stasis field, a kind of force field
in which time ceases to exist. Thus, it does not keep other objects out
by means of a wall of energy, but because time does not pass within the
forcefield, anything starting to enter the stasis field is frozen by
time and pushed away.

Larry Niven also was one of the creators of The Green Lantern.

[Judah]

"cjcampbell" > wrote in
oups.com:

> That was David Niven. And, while I haven't looked, I would be surprised
> if the Pink Panther has never had a light sabre. Larry Niven wrote a

I knew it was David Niven. I was a making what was evidently a bad joke.

> series of novels called the Known Space novels. One of the things
> common to all these novels is the stasis field, a kind of force field
> in which time ceases to exist. Thus, it does not keep other objects out
> by means of a wall of energy, but because time does not pass within the
> forcefield, anything starting to enter the stasis field is frozen by
> time and pushed away.

Sounds like the Cone of Silence!

But if Time is frozen, objects shouldn't be pushed away - that would require
an opposing force. They should simply freeze in time and stop moving, perhaps
collapsing upon themselves as the balance of the entering object continues
through the field. Seems pretty simple to me.

> Larry Niven also was one of the creators of The Green Lantern.

I used to like the Green Lantern when I was a kid. But now that you've
described the horrible lack of logic endowed by his creators, I have lost all
respect for Greeny. I guess it's back to Superman for me.

[Jim Macklin]

check the writing of Keith Lamur, of course Isaac Asimov.
Too much of the novels in the sci-fi section are sexual
fantasy, bring back the good shoot 'em up space opera.


"Judah" > wrote in message
. ..
| "cjcampbell" > wrote in
|
oups.com:
|
| > That was David Niven. And, while I haven't looked, I
would be surprised
| > if the Pink Panther has never had a light sabre. Larry
Niven wrote a
|
| I knew it was David Niven. I was a making what was
evidently a bad joke.
|
| > series of novels called the Known Space novels. One of
the things
| > common to all these novels is the stasis field, a kind
of force field
| > in which time ceases to exist. Thus, it does not keep
other objects out
| > by means of a wall of energy, but because time does not
pass within the
| > forcefield, anything starting to enter the stasis field
is frozen by
| > time and pushed away.
|
| Sounds like the Cone of Silence!
|
| But if Time is frozen, objects shouldn't be pushed away -
that would require
| an opposing force. They should simply freeze in time and
stop moving, perhaps
| collapsing upon themselves as the balance of the entering
object continues
| through the field. Seems pretty simple to me.
|
| > Larry Niven also was one of the creators of The Green
Lantern.
|
| I used to like the Green Lantern when I was a kid. But now
that you've
| described the horrible lack of logic endowed by his
creators, I have lost all
| respect for Greeny. I guess it's back to Superman for me.

[Mxsmanic]

"Jim Macklin" > writes:

> check the writing of Keith Lamur, of course Isaac Asimov.
> Too much of the novels in the sci-fi section are sexual
> fantasy, bring back the good shoot 'em up space opera.

A lot of science-fiction targets testosterone-befuddled young males,
so this is understandable. Asimov was nice because he managed to do
without the sex stuff. Clarke usually manages that, too. Larry Niven
has great science but there's too much fantasy-adventure and sex
thrown in. Too much of _Ringworld_ is spent in what turns out to be a
medieval adventure-novel atmosphere.

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[cjcampbell]

Judah wrote:
> "cjcampbell" > wrote in
> oups.com:
>
> > That was David Niven. And, while I haven't looked, I would be surprised
> > if the Pink Panther has never had a light sabre. Larry Niven wrote a
>
> I knew it was David Niven. I was a making what was evidently a bad joke.
>
> > series of novels called the Known Space novels. One of the things
> > common to all these novels is the stasis field, a kind of force field
> > in which time ceases to exist. Thus, it does not keep other objects out
> > by means of a wall of energy, but because time does not pass within the
> > forcefield, anything starting to enter the stasis field is frozen by
> > time and pushed away.
>
> Sounds like the Cone of Silence!
>
> But if Time is frozen, objects shouldn't be pushed away - that would require
> an opposing force. They should simply freeze in time and stop moving, perhaps
> collapsing upon themselves as the balance of the entering object continues
> through the field. Seems pretty simple to me.
>
> > Larry Niven also was one of the creators of The Green Lantern.
>
> I used to like the Green Lantern when I was a kid. But now that you've
> described the horrible lack of logic endowed by his creators, I have lost all
> respect for Greeny. I guess it's back to Superman for me.

Well, Niven is not really one of the creators; he merely wrote the
Green Lantern bible for DC. So you can keep liking Greeny.

Superman has his own logic problems. Like, how did Martha Kent sew
Superman's invulnerable costume? How did Superman manage to cut those
lenses for his glasses out of the indestructible cockpit bubble?

Larry Niven, btw, wrote an article called "Man of Steel, Woman of
Kleenex." It described the physics of Superman and Lois Lane ever
getting together and why it was an impossibility.

Superman, of course, is grandfathered under the FARs. His pilot
certificate is signed by Orville Wright. He is also authorized to fly
through all restricted areas, TFRs, and other restricted airspace
without filing any notification or requesting permission. I am still
waiting for a couple FAA types to try to "Hoover" Superman.

[Jim Macklin]

I like the old Superman TV series with George Reeves. The
"bad guy" shots at him and we see the "Man of Steel" stand
there, hands on hips as the bullets are bouncing off his
chest. After 6 shots the bad gut throws his gun at him and
Superman ducks.


"cjcampbell" > wrote in
message
ups.com...
|
| Judah wrote:
| > "cjcampbell" > wrote in
| >
oups.com:
| >
| > > That was David Niven. And, while I haven't looked, I
would be surprised
| > > if the Pink Panther has never had a light sabre. Larry
Niven wrote a
| >
| > I knew it was David Niven. I was a making what was
evidently a bad joke.
| >
| > > series of novels called the Known Space novels. One of
the things
| > > common to all these novels is the stasis field, a kind
of force field
| > > in which time ceases to exist. Thus, it does not keep
other objects out
| > > by means of a wall of energy, but because time does
not pass within the
| > > forcefield, anything starting to enter the stasis
field is frozen by
| > > time and pushed away.
| >
| > Sounds like the Cone of Silence!
| >
| > But if Time is frozen, objects shouldn't be pushed
away - that would require
| > an opposing force. They should simply freeze in time and
stop moving, perhaps
| > collapsing upon themselves as the balance of the
entering object continues
| > through the field. Seems pretty simple to me.
| >
| > > Larry Niven also was one of the creators of The Green
Lantern.
| >
| > I used to like the Green Lantern when I was a kid. But
now that you've
| > described the horrible lack of logic endowed by his
creators, I have lost all
| > respect for Greeny. I guess it's back to Superman for
me.
|
| Well, Niven is not really one of the creators; he merely
wrote the
| Green Lantern bible for DC. So you can keep liking Greeny.
|
| Superman has his own logic problems. Like, how did Martha
Kent sew
| Superman's invulnerable costume? How did Superman manage
to cut those
| lenses for his glasses out of the indestructible cockpit
bubble?
|
| Larry Niven, btw, wrote an article called "Man of Steel,
Woman of
| Kleenex." It described the physics of Superman and Lois
Lane ever
| getting together and why it was an impossibility.
|
| Superman, of course, is grandfathered under the FARs. His
pilot
| certificate is signed by Orville Wright. He is also
authorized to fly
| through all restricted areas, TFRs, and other restricted
airspace
| without filing any notification or requesting permission.
I am still
| waiting for a couple FAA types to try to "Hoover"
Superman.
|

[cjcampbell]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> "Jim Macklin" > writes:
>
> > check the writing of Keith Lamur, of course Isaac Asimov.
> > Too much of the novels in the sci-fi section are sexual
> > fantasy, bring back the good shoot 'em up space opera.
>
> A lot of science-fiction targets testosterone-befuddled young males,
> so this is understandable. Asimov was nice because he managed to do
> without the sex stuff. Clarke usually manages that, too. Larry Niven
> has great science but there's too much fantasy-adventure and sex
> thrown in. Too much of _Ringworld_ is spent in what turns out to be a
> medieval adventure-novel atmosphere.
>

Could be worse. Heinlein, for example.

[cjcampbell]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> I like the old Superman TV series with George Reeves. The
> "bad guy" shots at him and we see the "Man of Steel" stand
> there, hands on hips as the bullets are bouncing off his
> chest. After 6 shots the bad gut throws his gun at him and
> Superman ducks.
>

George Reeves also looked like a normal human being. He didn't worry
about his abs -- he had a real stomach. I never have figured out why
people think they need these fantastically strong abs. All they do is
keep your guts from falling out.

[Jim Macklin]

I have a stealth 6 pac, camouflaged under an inch or two of
fat.



"cjcampbell" > wrote in
message
ups.com...
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > I like the old Superman TV series with George Reeves.
The
| > "bad guy" shots at him and we see the "Man of Steel"
stand
| > there, hands on hips as the bullets are bouncing off his
| > chest. After 6 shots the bad gut throws his gun at him
and
| > Superman ducks.
| >
|
| George Reeves also looked like a normal human being. He
didn't worry
| about his abs -- he had a real stomach. I never have
figured out why
| people think they need these fantastically strong abs. All
they do is
| keep your guts from falling out.
|

[Kev]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> I note in the simulation of the Baron in MSFS (Dreamfleet's
> simulation), there's a button on the left side of the pilot, part of
> several rows of buttons, marked "Ejection seat."

Since no one else seems to have a serious answer...

Is it a button on the dash, or just a circuit breaker on the left wall?


In either case, it's possible that the military trainer version (still
sold by Raytheon, according to their website) has such a label for
training purposes only... although none seemed to have had an actual
ejection seat.

Kev

[John Clear]

In article <%HOZg.12906$XX2.1484@dukeread04>,
Jim Macklin > wrote:
>I have a stealth 6 pac, camouflaged under an inch or two of
>fat.

It is well insulated, to keep that 6 pack cool.

John
--
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[Mxsmanic]

"Jim Macklin" > writes:

> I have a stealth 6 pac, camouflaged under an inch or two of
> fat.

That inch of fat can be extremely useful if you ever become seriously
ill, as it provides energy to help you recover. While being very thin
is not usually a health problem, it can work against a person who
develops a serious disease (including infections), because it leaves
no energy store for emergencies.

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[Jim Macklin]

English beer [belly] kept warm.



"John Clear" > wrote in message
...
| In article <%HOZg.12906$XX2.1484@dukeread04>,
| Jim Macklin > wrote:
| >I have a stealth 6 pac, camouflaged under an inch or two
of
| >fat.
|
| It is well insulated, to keep that 6 pack cool.
|
| John
| --
| John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/
|

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:%HOZg.12906$XX2.1484@dukeread04...
>I have a stealth 6 pac, camouflaged under an inch or two of
> fat.
>

Why settle for 6 pack abs when you can have quarter keg abs?

--
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[Judah]

"Kev" > wrote in news:1161279847.973392.70810
@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

>
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>> I note in the simulation of the Baron in MSFS (Dreamfleet's
>> simulation), there's a button on the left side of the pilot, part of
>> several rows of buttons, marked "Ejection seat."
>
> Since no one else seems to have a serious answer...
>
> Is it a button on the dash, or just a circuit breaker on the left wall?
>
>
> In either case, it's possible that the military trainer version (still
> sold by Raytheon, according to their website) has such a label for
> training purposes only... although none seemed to have had an actual
> ejection seat.
>
> Kev
>

Or it might just be a game...

Perhaps a call to Bill Gates or Paul Allen would be the best way to resolve
this issue?

[Mxsmanic]

Kev writes:

> Since no one else seems to have a serious answer...
>
> Is it a button on the dash, or just a circuit breaker on the left wall?

There are rows of what look like buttons (but perhaps they are fuses
or circuitbreakers) along the left interior lower wall of the cockpit,
below the panel and roughly to the left of where I assume the pilot's
leg would be. One of them is marked EJECTION SEAT.

> In either case, it's possible that the military trainer version (still
> sold by Raytheon, according to their website) has such a label for
> training purposes only... although none seemed to have had an actual
> ejection seat.

I was just curious whether it corresponds to the real thing or is just
a discreet joke by the developers.

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[Mxsmanic]

Judah writes:

> Or it might just be a game...

Not this aircraft.

> Perhaps a call to Bill Gates or Paul Allen would be the best way to resolve
> this issue?

Why? They didn't write the code.

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[Viperdoc[_1_]]

Do you have some sort of scientific or medical literature you can cite to
substantiate yet another one of your wild assertions?

Are you also a medical expert because you read about it on the internet or
did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express? Perhaps there's a Microsoft physician
sim that qualifies you as knowledgeable.

[Kev]

Viperdoc wrote:
> MxsManic wrote:
>> That inch of fat can be extremely useful if you ever become seriously
>> ill, as it provides energy to help you recover.
>>
> Do you have some sort of scientific or medical literature you can cite to
> substantiate yet another one of your wild assertions?

In this case, I think he's correct. I'm recovering from a cancer that
required extensive surgery (removal of my esophagus) and I nearly died
after burning through the little fat I had in reserve. After the fat
gets used, your muscles go next. If I'd had more reserve fat, I'd
probably have had an easier time of recovery, and not had such a lack
of energy due to difficulty eating.

Regards, Kev

[Dave Stadt]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
...
> Do you have some sort of scientific or medical literature you can cite to
> substantiate yet another one of your wild assertions?

He has not substantiated any of the numerous wild statements he has made and
I doubt he will start now.

[Big John]

Jim

Reading the tech litature, they have moved matter (maybe just one
atom) in the lab from one place to another so it is possible.

Who would have thought the original transistor would have morphed into
the things on market today?

Big John
`````````````````````````````````````````


On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:34:27 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
> wrote:

>LOL
>
>BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
>happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
>Einstein's equation works both ways, E=MC^2 means that to
>create matter with a weight equal to a person would require
>the energy of several thousand atomic bombs, under full
>control and without destruction of the mechanism.
>
>
>
>"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
>|
>| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
>in message
>| news:X6yYg.3090$XX2.1488@dukeread04...
>| > The Beechjet has a StarTrek matter-transporter that will
>| > beam the passengers and cargo safely to the ground at
>the
>| > nearest discrete place, then it switches to phaser mode
>and
>| > destroys the aircraft so there is no dangerous debris
>| > falling on any city.
>|
>| Careful there Jim....we don't want him ejaculating himself
>from the
>| simulator! :-)
>| D
>|
>|
>

[Jim Macklin]

inorganic, and a mass so small that it would take trillions
to make one milligram.



"Big John" > wrote in message
...
| Jim
|
| Reading the tech litature, they have moved matter (maybe
just one
| atom) in the lab from one place to another so it is
possible.
|
| Who would have thought the original transistor would have
morphed into
| the things on market today?
|
| Big John
| `````````````````````````````````````````
|
|
| On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:34:27 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| > wrote:
|
| >LOL
| >
| >BTW, matter transmission as done on StarTrek can NEVER
| >happen and just because of the Heisenberg (sp) effect.
| >Einstein's equation works both ways, E=MC^2 means that to
| >create matter with a weight equal to a person would
require
| >the energy of several thousand atomic bombs, under full
| >control and without destruction of the mechanism.
| >
| >
| >
| >"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in
message
| ...
| >|
| >| "Jim Macklin" >
wrote
| >in message
| >| news:X6yYg.3090$XX2.1488@dukeread04...
| >| > The Beechjet has a StarTrek matter-transporter that
will
| >| > beam the passengers and cargo safely to the ground at
| >the
| >| > nearest discrete place, then it switches to phaser
mode
| >and
| >| > destroys the aircraft so there is no dangerous debris
| >| > falling on any city.
| >|
| >| Careful there Jim....we don't want him ejaculating
himself
| >from the
| >| simulator! :-)
| >| D
| >|
| >|
| >
|

[Mxsmanic]

Viperdoc writes:

> Do you have some sort of scientific or medical literature you can cite to
> substantiate yet another one of your wild assertions?

Why don't you do some research for yourself and find out how wild my
assertions are? You may be surprised.

> Are you also a medical expert because you read about it on the internet or
> did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express?

No. My study of medicine has been largely independent of the
Internet, although I use some Net resources more often nowadays.

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[Mxsmanic]

Kev writes:

> In this case, I think he's correct. I'm recovering from a cancer that
> required extensive surgery (removal of my esophagus) and I nearly died
> after burning through the little fat I had in reserve. After the fat
> gets used, your muscles go next. If I'd had more reserve fat, I'd
> probably have had an easier time of recovery, and not had such a lack
> of energy due to difficulty eating.

A large percentage of cancer patients ultimately die of starvation, as
the disease and its treatment often combines a lack of appetite with a
very high consumption of calories by the cancer. Without fat stores
the body's energy reserve can be exhausted very quickly. Patients
must be encouraged to eat or they must be fed, and some people claim
that eating a great deal has a beneficial effect in fighting the
cancer, although these claims are controversial.

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[Viperdoc[_1_]]

Why should I do research on your continuing wild and unsubstantiated claims?
Don't you get it? The questions you ask are frequently very reasonable, but
your dogmatic and argumentative responses are what alienate you.

As for knowledge, I not only am a "real" pilot, I also went to a real
medical school, so unless your understanding of real biochemistry is better
than your flying experience you might want to ratchet down your own
impression of how much you actually know.

[Mxsmanic]

Viperdoc writes:

> Why should I do research on your continuing wild and
> unsubstantiated claims?

It's up to you. I don't personally care whether you do research or
not.

> Don't you get it? The questions you ask are frequently very
> reasonable, but your dogmatic and argumentative responses are
> what alienate you.

From whom? Some people react (and overreact) emotionally; others do
not. I simply write off the first category, as there isn't much else
that can be done with them. It's not my problem.

> As for knowledge, I not only am a "real" pilot, I also went to a real
> medical school, so unless your understanding of real biochemistry is better
> than your flying experience you might want to ratchet down your own
> impression of how much you actually know.

As I've said, do some research if you are interested in the topic. If
you're not, don't.

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