Finally!

[Wizard of Draws[_2_]]

I've waited nearly 3 years for this day, and so has the Little Man.

Over the course of the last few months, every time I've left the house on a
Sunday to go fly, the Little Man has known where I was going and would say
in a small, plaintive tone, "I need to go fly with Papa."
There is no greater heartbreak for a pilot to bear than hearing those words
coming from a future birdman.

But today...today, for the very first time, we got to sit side by side as
Pilot and Co-pilot, (with Mommy in back as our somewhat reluctant
passenger), while we flew from Gainesville, Georgia to Toccoa, Georgia. Once
we leveled off, my intrepid and fearless Co-pilot took the yoke and flew
unerringly straight to our destination.

There we landed and lunched on peanut butter sandwiches and Coca-Colas,
which Mommy would revisit just before we landed back at Gainesville. :-O

I did have to caution my Co-pilot at one point during our return flight
however, when he kept pressing the push-to-talk button without my knowledge,
causing me much confusion and sending me looking for the loose headset
connection.

http://www.cartoonclipart.com/christian/christian.html

Our next anticipated milestone: no passengers, just us Birdmen
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino

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[Jay Honeck]

> I've waited nearly 3 years for this day, and so has the Little Man.

> http://www.cartoonclipart.com/christian/christian.html

Way to go, Jeff! Flying with your son is one of life's truly great
experiences.

My boy is now old enough to literally fly me down to about 100 feet off
the runway, and he is poised to start "real" flight lessons next
summer.

But it seems like just yesterday that he was that joyous, excited
little toddler, flying all-IFR cuz he couldn't see over the panel! I
know this sounds cliche, and it doesn't seem possible -- but really,
truly enjoy them while they are so little, because it goes by in a
flash.

Just think, soon you'll be doing trips like this with him:

http://alexisparkinn.com/2006_madeline_island.htm

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Emily]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> I've waited nearly 3 years for this day, and so has the Little Man.
>
>> http://www.cartoonclipart.com/christian/christian.html
>
> Way to go, Jeff! Flying with your son is one of life's truly great
> experiences.
>
> My boy is now old enough to literally fly me down to about 100 feet off
> the runway, and he is poised to start "real" flight lessons next
> summer.

But that just means you have three pilots to share the controls. Not a
good thing, IMO. <g>

[Jay Honeck]

> But that just means you have three pilots to share the controls. Not a
> good thing, IMO. <g>

Nah, it's a GREAT thing.

Now if I could just get my 13 year old daughter interested in flying,
we'd be in good shape. No luck, so far -- and it's driving Mary NUTS.


(Which, of course, is the main goal of every 13 year old... ;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Emily]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> But that just means you have three pilots to share the controls. Not a
>> good thing, IMO. <g>
>
> Nah, it's a GREAT thing.
>
> Now if I could just get my 13 year old daughter interested in flying,
> we'd be in good shape. No luck, so far -- and it's driving Mary NUTS.
>
>
> (Which, of course, is the main goal of every 13 year old... ;-)

She's probably taking lessons behind your backs.

[Mxsmanic]

Jay Honeck writes:

> Now if I could just get my 13 year old daughter interested in flying,
> we'd be in good shape. No luck, so far -- and it's driving Mary NUTS.

Puberty shifts priorities, unfortunately.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[GeorgeC]

I have a modest proposal. No driver licence until you have your pilot licence.

On 15 Oct 2006 20:54:31 -0700, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

>Now if I could just get my 13 year old daughter interested in flying,
>we'd be in good shape. No luck, so far -- and it's driving Mary NUTS.
>
>
>(Which, of course, is the main goal of every 13 year old... ;-)

GeorgeC

[Andrew Gideon]

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:32:24 -0500, GeorgeC wrote:

> I have a modest proposal. No driver licence until you have your pilot
> licence.

Hmm.

Hopefully, I won't need it. The 4 yo is always asking to fly, and
the 1 yo's first word was "sky".

Still, I'll reserve this idea Just In Case.

Thanks...

- Andrew

[Peter Dohm]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck writes:
>
> > Now if I could just get my 13 year old daughter interested in flying,
> > we'd be in good shape. No luck, so far -- and it's driving Mary NUTS.
>
> Puberty shifts priorities, unfortunately.
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Much more importantly, aptitudes are said to shift at about that age.

There is a drastic decrease in aptitude toward learning new
languages--especially speaking without an obvious accent. That is why I
remain so annoyed with our (US) education system, which delays foriegn
language studies until high school, any makes the USA such a deserving
subject of derision with regard to our language comprehension. Therefore, I
would have a difficult time ever voting for a candidate endorsed by the NEA.

There is also a drastic imporvement in aptitude in spacial matters such as
trigonometry, solid geometry, etc. Obviously, that would include the
airspace system, theory of flight, and navigation. That was the substance
of my irritation with the EAA Young Eagles program from the start--entire
age range should have been five years older. Of course, a voice from the
Chapter level is not very loud; nor very timely.

So, IMHO, Jay is probably on the right track at about the right time.

Peter

[Richard Riley[_1_]]

Wizard of Draws wrote:
> I've waited nearly 3 years for this day, and so has the Little Man.

That's wonderful, Jeff. Congratulations to all involved.

My daughter's about a week younger than Christian...

http://www.imageigloo.com/viewer.php?id=476ER flying.jpg

She can't wait to go flying with Daddy, too. :)

[GeorgeC]

I was aiming that at Jay Honeck and his reluctant 13 yr. old. Looks like you
won't need any carrots.

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:40:48 -0400, Andrew Gideon > wrote:

>On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:32:24 -0500, GeorgeC wrote:
>
>> I have a modest proposal. No driver licence until you have your pilot
>> licence.
>
>Hmm.
>
>Hopefully, I won't need it. The 4 yo is always asking to fly, and
>the 1 yo's first word was "sky".
>
>Still, I'll reserve this idea Just In Case.
>
>Thanks...
>
> - Andrew

GeorgeC

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> I've waited nearly 3 years for this day, and so has the Little Man.
>
>> http://www.cartoonclipart.com/christian/christian.html
>
> Way to go, Jeff! Flying with your son is one of life's truly great
> experiences.
>
> My boy is now old enough to literally fly me down to about 100 feet off
> the runway, and he is poised to start "real" flight lessons next
> summer.

He's old enough to make the landing. Relax. I be he already knows how to do
it.

>
> But it seems like just yesterday that he was that joyous, excited
> little toddler, flying all-IFR cuz he couldn't see over the panel! I

My brother's son used to fly looking out the side of the canopy...

> know this sounds cliche, and it doesn't seem possible -- but really,
> truly enjoy them while they are so little, because it goes by in a
> flash.
>

No kidding.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Wizard of Draws" > wrote in
message news:C1585E5E.9DE86%jeffbDELETEME@DELETEMETOOwizar dofdraws.com...
> I've waited nearly 3 years for this day, and so has the Little Man.
>

Good going d00d.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[Wizard of Draws[_2_]]

On 10/15/06 10:46 PM, in article
om, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>> I've waited nearly 3 years for this day, and so has the Little Man.
>
>> http://www.cartoonclipart.com/christian/christian.html
>
> Way to go, Jeff! Flying with your son is one of life's truly great
> experiences.
>
> My boy is now old enough to literally fly me down to about 100 feet off
> the runway, and he is poised to start "real" flight lessons next
> summer.
>
> But it seems like just yesterday that he was that joyous, excited
> little toddler, flying all-IFR cuz he couldn't see over the panel! I
> know this sounds cliche, and it doesn't seem possible -- but really,
> truly enjoy them while they are so little, because it goes by in a
> flash.
>
> Just think, soon you'll be doing trips like this with him:
>
> http://alexisparkinn.com/2006_madeline_island.htm
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

This is definitely one of life's great experiences. My grandfather sparked
my aviation interest, but never got to see me fly or even know that I would
take lessons. I intend to fly with this guy every chance I get.

And while I appreciate the parental advice Jay, you're about 28 years too
late. The Little Man is my grandson. :-)))
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino

Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
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[FLAV8R[_1_]]

Jay,

My daughter has been flying with me for years and this year at the ripe age
of 11 she asked
if she could start taking some flying lessons, so after sweeping the tears
out of my eyes
I fitted her for a plane that would be just the right size for her.
As of yesterday she is now an official student pilot flying with an
instructor in a C152
out of the KGYH airport.

I'm all choked up and she's even flying in the same type of plane I started
in.
I know she can't solo till she's 16 but I thought she might as well start
logging
some time.
The instructor came back and told me that he was very impressed on how well
she held
altitude and heading, I explained that she had over 200 hours of right seat
time.

My plan is working, I will have someone to fly me around long after my
medical has
been revoked.
Now if I could only find a rich sugar mama that will buy me a King Air.

David - KGYH
Greer, SC
www.pilotsofthecaribbean.com


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message ...
> My boy is now old enough to literally fly me down to about 100 feet off
> the runway, and he is poised to start "real" flight lessons next
> summer.
>
> But it seems like just yesterday that he was that joyous, excited
> little toddler, flying all-IFR cuz he couldn't see over the panel! I
> know this sounds cliche, and it doesn't seem possible -- but really,
> truly enjoy them while they are so little, because it goes by in a
> flash.
>
> Just think, soon you'll be doing trips like this with him:
>
> http://alexisparkinn.com/2006_madeline_island.htm
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Judah]

Emily > wrote in
:

> But that just means you have three pilots to share the controls. Not a
> good thing, IMO. <g>

Alternative Solution: Time for a third (and presumably fourth) set of
controls...

[Jim Macklin]

She can solo a glider at 14, solo the 152 at 16, get her
private at 17 and a commercial/instrument at 18. The ATP at
23. She can work her way through college as a CFI, which
she can also get at 18.

Or she can get a job at a BurgerKing to pay for college.

Be sure to show her this.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"FLAV8R" > wrote in message
...
| Jay,
|
| My daughter has been flying with me for years and this
year at the ripe age
| of 11 she asked
| if she could start taking some flying lessons, so after
sweeping the tears
| out of my eyes
| I fitted her for a plane that would be just the right size
for her.
| As of yesterday she is now an official student pilot
flying with an
| instructor in a C152
| out of the KGYH airport.
|
| I'm all choked up and she's even flying in the same type
of plane I started
| in.
| I know she can't solo till she's 16 but I thought she
might as well start
| logging
| some time.
| The instructor came back and told me that he was very
impressed on how well
| she held
| altitude and heading, I explained that she had over 200
hours of right seat
| time.
|
| My plan is working, I will have someone to fly me around
long after my
| medical has
| been revoked.
| Now if I could only find a rich sugar mama that will buy
me a King Air.
|
| David - KGYH
| Greer, SC
| www.pilotsofthecaribbean.com
|
|
| "Jay Honeck" wrote in message ...
| > My boy is now old enough to literally fly me down to
about 100 feet off
| > the runway, and he is poised to start "real" flight
lessons next
| > summer.
| >
| > But it seems like just yesterday that he was that
joyous, excited
| > little toddler, flying all-IFR cuz he couldn't see over
the panel! I
| > know this sounds cliche, and it doesn't seem possible --
but really,
| > truly enjoy them while they are so little, because it
goes by in a
| > flash.
| >
| > Just think, soon you'll be doing trips like this with
him:
| >
| > http://alexisparkinn.com/2006_madeline_island.htm
| >
| > :-)
| > --
| > Jay Honeck
| > Iowa City, IA
| > Pathfinder N56993
| > www.AlexisParkInn.com
| > "Your Aviation Destination"
| >
|
|

[Emily]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> She can solo a glider at 14, solo the 152 at 16, get her
> private at 17 and a commercial/instrument at 18. The ATP at
> 23. She can work her way through college as a CFI, which
> she can also get at 18.

Yes, and when she works her way through college as a CFI, people will
accuse her of lying when she says she got her CFI that young. BTDT.

[[email protected]]

Wizard of Draws wrote:
> I did have to caution my Co-pilot at one point during our return flight
> however, when he kept pressing the push-to-talk button without my knowledge,
> causing me much confusion and sending me looking for the loose headset
> connection.

While I understand your joy and that of the other posters who have had
children get involved in aviation, I wonder whether there is a safety
issue in having such a small child with access to the PTT switch and
other controls. If the radio confusion had happened during a time of
pilot overload, it could have had serious consequences. Maybe I'm
missing something, but I was surprised that no one else mentioned this
possibility.

[Jim Macklin]

I knew of a young man in OKC who got his ATP when he was 21
and had to wait for the certificate to be issued. He was a
very young looking 21. Couldn't get a job. My advice was
that he should see a good barber or beauty parlor and get
some gray hair until he was older.

The people who count, will know the truth.


Either that or she can claim to have worked in a bar.



"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > She can solo a glider at 14, solo the 152 at 16, get her
| > private at 17 and a commercial/instrument at 18. The
ATP at
| > 23. She can work her way through college as a CFI,
which
| > she can also get at 18.
|
| Yes, and when she works her way through college as a CFI,
people will
| accuse her of lying when she says she got her CFI that
young. BTDT.

[Peter Dohm]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Wizard of Draws wrote:
> > I did have to caution my Co-pilot at one point during our return flight
> > however, when he kept pressing the push-to-talk button without my
knowledge,
> > causing me much confusion and sending me looking for the loose headset
> > connection.
>
> While I understand your joy and that of the other posters who have had
> children get involved in aviation, I wonder whether there is a safety
> issue in having such a small child with access to the PTT switch and
> other controls. If the radio confusion had happened during a time of
> pilot overload, it could have had serious consequences. Maybe I'm
> missing something, but I was surprised that no one else mentioned this
> possibility.
>
Children ad jueveniles are not infants.

The only serious problems that I have ever heard reported involving children
at the controls involved some attempt to set a record for the youngest to
complete a flight or tour as sole manipulator of the controls. The most
infamous (and possibly only) case led to dissaster, IIRC, because of a
terminal case of "get there itis" on the parts of the father who had become
fixated on the media attention which they had received up to that point, and
the failure of the flight instructor to "just say no".

Peter

[Richard Riley[_1_]]

Peter Dohm wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Wizard of Draws wrote:
> > > I did have to caution my Co-pilot at one point during our return flight
> > > however, when he kept pressing the push-to-talk button without my
> knowledge,
> > > causing me much confusion and sending me looking for the loose headset
> > > connection.
> >
> > While I understand your joy and that of the other posters who have had
> > children get involved in aviation, I wonder whether there is a safety
> > issue in having such a small child with access to the PTT switch and
> > other controls. If the radio confusion had happened during a time of
> > pilot overload, it could have had serious consequences. Maybe I'm
> > missing something, but I was surprised that no one else mentioned this
> > possibility.
> >
> Children ad jueveniles are not infants.
>
> The only serious problems that I have ever heard reported involving children
> at the controls involved some attempt to set a record for the youngest to
> complete a flight or tour as sole manipulator of the controls. The most
> infamous (and possibly only) case led to dissaster, IIRC, because of a
> terminal case of "get there itis" on the parts of the father who had become
> fixated on the media attention which they had received up to that point, and
> the failure of the flight instructor to "just say no".
>
> Peter

There was also the 23 March 1994, Aeroflot Airbus 310 crash in Siberia
after the pilot allowed his 15-year-old son to take the controls.

But generally I agree. I can overpower anything a 2 year old does in
the cockpit. A friend of mine was instructing at the Air Force Academy
a few years ago. She was 22, 5'7, 120 lbs. Her student, on his first
flight, played linebacker. He froze with the yolk full aft. She
finally bashed him across the face with her maglight to get him to let
go. (He washed out)

[Wizard of Draws[_2_]]

On 10/17/06 3:00 AM, in article
. com,
" > wrote:

> Wizard of Draws wrote:
>> I did have to caution my Co-pilot at one point during our return flight
>> however, when he kept pressing the push-to-talk button without my knowledge,
>> causing me much confusion and sending me looking for the loose headset
>> connection.
>
> While I understand your joy and that of the other posters who have had
> children get involved in aviation, I wonder whether there is a safety
> issue in having such a small child with access to the PTT switch and
> other controls. If the radio confusion had happened during a time of
> pilot overload, it could have had serious consequences. Maybe I'm
> missing something, but I was surprised that no one else mentioned this
> possibility.
>

His seat was pushed back to the stops during takeoffs and landings, and only
pushed forward when we were straight and level. The yoke (with the PTT
button) was all that he could reach at that time. Mommy was in the back seat
and could be enlisted to help if needed. On a severe clear day during a 25
mile flight, pilot overload was pretty remote without a catastrophic
failure.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino

Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
http://www.wizardofdraws.com

More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
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[Andrew Gideon]

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:00:44 -0500, GeorgeC wrote:

> I was aiming that at Jay Honeck and his reluctant 13 yr. old.

Understood.

> Looks like
> you won't need any carrots.

I hope you're right. Still, children have a way of surprising. So I
thank you for your idea, which I will hold in reserve Just In Case.

- Andrew