Where does the new East River corridor start now?

[Bob Chilcoat]

I got out my trusty New York TAC to see where this thing starts, since I
hope to fly some friends up the Hudson Sunday. It's not clear what happens
just south and north of the southwestern tip of Governor's Island. Do you
draw a straight line from the southwestern tip to the nearest point on
Manhatten, and that line defines the East River Corridor? Do you draw the
line tangent to the west shore of Manhatten? What about south of Governor's
Island? It would have been a lot easier to understand and follow if they'd
used a straight north/south line touching the northeast tip of Governor's
Island. I think I'll ask AOPA to try and get an interpretation and perhaps
a graphic on this.
--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

[Bob Chilcoat]

OK, AOPA wasn't much help, other to say, "just don't overfly Governor's
Island". That's probably as good as you need to stay out of trouble. OTOH,
I just looked at their graphic for the NOTAM, and it's clearly wrong. It
looks like the graphic ends at the southwestern tip of Roosevelt Island, not
Governor's Island, which makes it look like you can go almost as far up the
East River as you used to be able to. I sent them a note pointing out the
error.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

[Ron Lee]

"Bob Chilcoat" > wrote:

>OK, AOPA wasn't much help, other to say, "just don't overfly Governor's
>Island". That's probably as good as you need to stay out of trouble. OTOH,
>I just looked at their graphic for the NOTAM, and it's clearly wrong. It
>looks like the graphic ends at the southwestern tip of Roosevelt Island, not
>Governor's Island, which makes it look like you can go almost as far up the
>East River as you used to be able to. I sent them a note pointing out the
>error.

Just contact ATC before you get close and you don't need to worry
about the exact line.

Ron Lee

[Denny]

Ron's reply says it all... Call em 5 minutes before you enter the
area...

This is eyewash by the FAA to keep the
foam-at-the-mouth-15-second-soundbite-politicians at bay... The FAA is
actually being a GA friend on this issue (rare stance for them) by
doing as little as is politically necessary...
Push will come to shove on a gorgeous weekend, after the weather has
been scummy for weeks and everybody is desperate to go flying, and when
the GA pilot makes the request to fly up the river the controller, who
feels he is too busy, says ":Aircraft calling remain clear of my
airspace"
OK, so is the VFR corridor his airspace?
Well, according to my reading of the regs, NO...
He is not in control of the VFR airspace underneath the Class B...
The ruling issued by the FAA says, VFR aircraft must be in contact with
ATC...
He is in contact with ATC... As I read the FAR's the GA pilot says,
"Roger", dials up 1200 on his transponder, and continues on his tour of
NY...

denny

[Bob Noel]

In article . com>,
"Denny" > wrote:

[snip]
> OK, so is the VFR corridor his airspace?
> Well, according to my reading of the regs, NO...
> He is not in control of the VFR airspace underneath the Class B...
> The ruling issued by the FAA says, VFR aircraft must be in contact with
> ATC...
> He is in contact with ATC... As I read the FAR's the GA pilot says,
> "Roger", dials up 1200 on his transponder, and continues on his tour of
> NY...

what about the "postive control" part?

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Guy Elden Jr]

> the GA pilot makes the request to fly up the river the controller, who
> feels he is too busy, says ":Aircraft calling remain clear of my
> airspace"
> OK, so is the VFR corridor his airspace?
> Well, according to my reading of the regs, NO...
> He is not in control of the VFR airspace underneath the Class B...
> The ruling issued by the FAA says, VFR aircraft must be in contact with
> ATC...
> He is in contact with ATC... As I read the FAR's the GA pilot says,
> "Roger", dials up 1200 on his transponder, and continues on his tour of
> NY...

That probably wouldn't "fly" with the FAA. I believe they've always
interpreted "two-way radio communications" to have been established
when the controller responds to your call by using your tail number.

Also, the exact text of the NOTAM states:

"...UNLESS AUTHORIZED AND BEING CONTROLLED BY ATC."

You are neither authorized nor being controlled in your example.

--
Guy