Owner's poll

[Mxsmanic]

If you own your own aircraft, could you discuss:

1. The make and model.

2. Whether you bought it new or used (if used, a bit of history on
it).

3. The cost to buy it.

4. The way you financed the purchase.

5. Your approximate yearly costs for operation, maintenance, and
insurance.

6. Your approximate yearly investment in training, licensing, medical
exams, etc. (to keep current as a pilot, as opposed to just the costs
related to a specific aircraft).

I'm just curious about how much it actually costs to own and fly an
aircraft. I get the impression that it requires either being quite
wealthy or making severe sacrifices and never flying anything better
than a junky tin can.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 03:31:42 +0200, Mxsmanic > wrote:

> If you own your own aircraft, could you discuss:
>
> 1. The make and model.

1982 Bowers Fly Baby.
>
> 2. Whether you bought it new or used (if used, a bit of history on
> it).

Bought used. I was the fourth owner. The airframe had 100 hours total time
when I bought it. The engine was 25 hours since rebuild.

> 3. The cost to buy it.

$10,000.

> 4. The way you financed the purchase.

Sold my half-interest in another aircraft. Bought THAT by taking out a
signature loan at my credit union.

> 5. Your approximate yearly costs for operation, maintenance, and
> insurance.

That would be telling. :-)

Operation: About $12/flight hour, depending on fuel prices.

Maintenance: $250 for the annual inspection. Other maintenance costs
vary...this year I bought a set of tires and tubes (~$300). Most years it's
less. I do my own work.

Insurance: $450/year (just renewed it)

The kicker in this is the hangar costs. I got along quite well for years
sharing a $200/month open hangar with another aircraft owner (e.g., I paid
$100/mo). I currently rent a very fancy hangar designed for a large
twin-engined airplane. I could share it...but I don't. I pay about $380/mo.
The money for the hangar comes from writing about airplanes.

> 6. Your approximate yearly investment in training, licensing, medical
> exams, etc. (to keep current as a pilot, as opposed to just the costs
> related to a specific aircraft).

Average ~$100/year (I take a biannual flight review every two years). No
medical costs (operating as a Sport Pilot). Licensing (state registration of
the airplane) runs $50/year.

> I'm just curious about how much it actually costs to own and fly an
> aircraft. I get the impression that it requires either being quite
> wealthy or making severe sacrifices and never flying anything better
> than a junky tin can.

Being wealthy never *hurts* (not that I'd know :-), but I know a lot of ordinary
Joes that own planes.

If folks forgive the self-plug, this book might help:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/007145974X/sr=8-1/qid=1161655017/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-9824815-3635126?ie=UTF8

Ron Wanttaja

[Rip]

Mxsmanic wrote:

> If you own your own aircraft, could you discuss:
>
> 1. The make and model.
>
> 2. Whether you bought it new or used (if used, a bit of history on
> it).
>
> 3. The cost to buy it.
>
> 4. The way you financed the purchase.
>
> 5. Your approximate yearly costs for operation, maintenance, and
> insurance.
>
> 6. Your approximate yearly investment in training, licensing, medical
> exams, etc. (to keep current as a pilot, as opposed to just the costs
> related to a specific aircraft).
>
> I'm just curious about how much it actually costs to own and fly an
> aircraft. I get the impression that it requires either being quite
> wealthy or making severe sacrifices and never flying anything better
> than a junky tin can.
>

If you have a life, could you discuss:
1) The make and model of your so-called life.
2) Whether you bought it new or used (if used, a bit of history on it).
3) The cost to buy it.
4) The way you financed your so called life.
5) Your approximate yearly costs for operation, maintenance, and
insurance of your hypothesized life.
6) Your approximate yearly investment in training, licensing, medical
exams, etc. (to keep current as a human, as opposed to just the costs
related to a hypothetical lifeform).

I'm just curious about how much it actually costs to own a life. I get
the impression that it requires either being quite intelligent or making
severe sacrifices and never living better than a junky tin can.

Go fly. For real. Or better yet, don't. You haven't the social skills to
share space with others.

Rip

[Dan[_1_]]

I belong to a club..

I paid $2000 for a share (refundable if I sell my share)

$85/mo for maintenance, insurance, hanger, etc.

I have access to 4 planes

2 Archers w/ Garmin GNS 430s - $72/hr tach wet
1 Arrow - $93/hr tach wet
1 Comanche 260 w/ Garmin 430 - $113/hr tach wet.

A non-profit club is the most reasonable way to own an aircraft.

--Dan



Mxsmanic wrote:
> If you own your own aircraft, could you discuss:
>
> 1. The make and model.
>
> 2. Whether you bought it new or used (if used, a bit of history on
> it).
>
> 3. The cost to buy it.
>
> 4. The way you financed the purchase.
>
> 5. Your approximate yearly costs for operation, maintenance, and
> insurance.
>
> 6. Your approximate yearly investment in training, licensing, medical
> exams, etc. (to keep current as a pilot, as opposed to just the costs
> related to a specific aircraft).
>
> I'm just curious about how much it actually costs to own and fly an
> aircraft. I get the impression that it requires either being quite
> wealthy or making severe sacrifices and never flying anything better
> than a junky tin can.
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[John Gaquin]

"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
>
> The money for the hangar comes from writing about airplanes.
>
> .....(I take a biannual flight review every two years).

Interesting. You get paid to write about airplanes and aviation, yet you
still don't know the difference between biannual and biennial. What a
country!!

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:51:42 -0400, "John Gaquin" >
wrote:

>
> "Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
> >
> > The money for the hangar comes from writing about airplanes.
> >
> > .....(I take a biannual flight review every two years).
>
> Interesting. You get paid to write about airplanes and aviation, yet you
> still don't know the difference between biannual and biennial. What a
> country!!

I let the even-higher-paid editors worry about that! :-)

Ron Wanttaja

[Greg B]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> If you own your own aircraft, could you discuss:
>
> 1. The make and model.

1946 Ercoupe 415-C

> 2. Whether you bought it new or used (if used, a bit of history on
> it).

Bought it used in 2002. The plane was first sold to a someone in Oklahoma
City on March 5, 1946. From there, it went to Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska and
Iowa (when I bought it). I took it from Iowa to Texas, back to Iowa and now
in Minnesota. I got the FAA CD-ROM a couple weeks ago and looked through its
entire history. IMHO, worth ordering for your plane

> 3. The cost to buy it.

I paid $9,000

> 4. The way you financed the purchase.

Cash

> 5. Your approximate yearly costs for operation, maintenance, and
> insurance.

Varied from $200 to $1,000 for annual inspections and maintenance per year.
Also approximately $800 for insurance per year. Hangar rent ranged from $400
to $1,000/year depending on where it was hangared. So the fixed annual fees
ranged from $1,400 to $2,800 per year.

> 6. Your approximate yearly investment in training, licensing, medical
> exams, etc. (to keep current as a pilot, as opposed to just the costs
> related to a specific aircraft).

Biennial flight review and medical is about $150 every 2 years. A medical
($100 of it) isn't required to fly as Sport Pilot*.

> I'm just curious about how much it actually costs to own and fly an
> aircraft. I get the impression that it requires either being quite
> wealthy or making severe sacrifices and never flying anything better
> than a junky tin can.

This year, the total annual/maintenance, hangar and insurance (fixed costs)
came to around $2,500. I only flew about 25 hours during the year (between
annual/maintenance) so it was $100/hour to fly, not counting the fuel and
oil costs per hour (approx. $25/hour). If I had flown 100 hours during the
year, it would have been ~$50/hour (total) to fly.

This is the reason why my aircraft sale is pending. Paid $9,000 for it 4
years ago, flew it over 100 hours and selling (pending) it for $16,000. I'm
getting most (all?) of the money that I have put into it for maintenance and
annuals, etc., so overall, it WAS cheap to fly!

*I can fly my Ercoupe under Sport Pilot rules; no medical required but have
renewed my medical anyways because I like to be able to (or have the option
to) fly at night or to fly something bigger like a C-150.

-Greg B.

[mike regish]

I have a 4 seat 1953 Piper Tripacer. It cost $17,500. I pay about $1000 a
year for insurance and about the same for an annual. I was paying $175 per
month for a hangar, but now I'm paying $50 a month for a tiedown. I was able
to use autogas for an hourly rate of about $12 to $15 an hour for gas, but
since the ethanol mandate hit my state, that's up to about $35 an hour for
gas. I financed it through MBNA for 5 years. The payment was $308 a month
and it has been paid of for a couple of years now. Medical costs $75 every 2
years and registration costs $100 per year (up from $75).

That's about it.

mike

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> If you own your own aircraft, could you discuss:
>
> 1. The make and model.
>
> 2. Whether you bought it new or used (if used, a bit of history on
> it).
>
> 3. The cost to buy it.
>
> 4. The way you financed the purchase.
>
> 5. Your approximate yearly costs for operation, maintenance, and
> insurance.
>
> 6. Your approximate yearly investment in training, licensing, medical
> exams, etc. (to keep current as a pilot, as opposed to just the costs
> related to a specific aircraft).
>
> I'm just curious about how much it actually costs to own and fly an
> aircraft. I get the impression that it requires either being quite
> wealthy or making severe sacrifices and never flying anything better
> than a junky tin can.
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[B A R R Y[_1_]]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> If you own your own aircraft, could you discuss:
>
> 1. The make and model.

1/2 of clean '76 Beech C23 Sundowner with a nice panel and radio stack.

> 2. Whether you bought it new or used (if used, a bit of history on
> it).

Used. I was in 5th grade in '76. <G> I've known my co-owner for 6-7
years, so we had a relationship before we bought the plane.

We bought it from four guys who had owned it about 9 years and were
upgrading to a C24 Sierra. We still see the previous owners on a
regular basis and have an excellent relationship with them. They flew
it a lot, and we fly it a lot, so the plane stays fresh.

>
> 3. The cost to buy it.

$46k ($23k for me)

> 4. The way you financed the purchase.

My personal savings, put aside over the years from part-time businesses
I operate.

> 5. Your approximate yearly costs for operation, maintenance, and
> insurance.

We bill ourselves $60/hr, + $10/hr TBO fund, for operation, which covers
fuel, tie-down, oil changes, and misc. crap. We pay the ~$900-$1000 for
annual, and the insurance bill out of pocket when required. I think our
last insurance premium was ~ $750, but I don't remember exactly.

> 6. Your approximate yearly investment in training, licensing, medical
> exams, etc. (to keep current as a pilot, as opposed to just the costs
> related to a specific aircraft).

My PP training (47 hrs.) was ~$4500, 1/2 in the Beech and 1/2 in rented
Warriors. Regular flying keeps me current. <G> I'll usually spend ~ 2
hrs every 6-8 weeks doing slow flight, performance takeoffs and
landings, and stalls. I do hood work on a regular basis when there is
another pilot in the right seat. I'm in continuous training, because I
enjoy it. Since the additional training is optional for a private
pilot, I'm not adding the cost here.

> I'm just curious about how much it actually costs to own and fly an
> aircraft. I get the impression that it requires either being quite
> wealthy or making severe sacrifices and never flying anything better
> than a junky tin can.

One of our tie-down neighbors has a $10k C152. Is it pretty? Not
really... But it's an airplane, and flying is flying, and flying is fun!
If couldn't afford to own what I have, I would be in a club, renting,
or the owner of a beater.

[Ross Richardson[_2_]]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> If you own your own aircraft, could you discuss:
>
> 1. The make and model.
>
> 2. Whether you bought it new or used (if used, a bit of history on
> it).
>
> 3. The cost to buy it.
>
> 4. The way you financed the purchase.
>
> 5. Your approximate yearly costs for operation, maintenance, and
> insurance.
>
> 6. Your approximate yearly investment in training, licensing, medical
> exams, etc. (to keep current as a pilot, as opposed to just the costs
> related to a specific aircraft).
>
> I'm just curious about how much it actually costs to own and fly an
> aircraft. I get the impression that it requires either being quite
> wealthy or making severe sacrifices and never flying anything better
> than a junky tin can.
>

I have a C-172F /G. I am not wealthy, but it is where I put some of my
income after taking care of retirement savings, home care, eating, etc.
I own it alone and it is not a piece of junk. It has a 180hp engine. I
waited to own an aircraft until I successfully put two kids through
college and they were on their own. I could have bought a membership to
a large country club and played golf, I could have bought a boat ( I
actually had a 21' runabout for 20 years before buying the plane), I
could have done lots of things. I could have spent $100000 for a
simulator, but a real plane is a lot of fun. (I flew a Folker F100 full
motion simulator once. While a thrill, I still enjoy my Skyhawk). The
rest of your questions are N/A.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Matt Barrow]

"John Gaquin" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
>>
>> The money for the hangar comes from writing about airplanes.
>>
>> .....(I take a biannual flight review every two years).
>
> Interesting. You get paid to write about airplanes and aviation, yet you
> still don't know the difference between biannual and biennial. What a
> country!!
>

At least he doesn't take his biannual every three years.

[Jay Honeck]

> 1. The make and model.

1974 Piper Cherokee Pathfinder

> 2. Whether you bought it new or used (if used, a bit of history on
> it).

Used, in 2002.

> 3. The cost to buy it.

$75K. We then invested another $19K in overhauling the engine and
re-doing the interior.

> 4. The way you financed the purchase.

We sold our Warrior for $40K, put some personal savings along with it,
and financed the rest. (And remember, financing an airplane is not
like financing a car. In fact, it's more like financing a house,
because in general the aircraft appreciates over time. Our loan is for
20 years, and is thus quite affordable.)

> 5. Your approximate yearly costs for operation, maintenance, and
> insurance.

$8K - $15K annually, depending on what goodies are installed, or what
problems are encountered. This includes ALL "aviation-related"
expenses, including such things as hangar, insurance, fuel, monthly
loan payment, if we buy new headphones, or have new in-wing landing
lights installed (which we did in '05.)

> 6. Your approximate yearly investment in training, licensing, medical
> exams, etc. (to keep current as a pilot, as opposed to just the costs
> related to a specific aircraft).

Training would be a biennial ($55) every other year, and a medical exam
($100) every other year, times two pilots.

> I'm just curious about how much it actually costs to own and fly an
> aircraft. I get the impression that it requires either being quite
> wealthy or making severe sacrifices and never flying anything better
> than a junky tin can.

Note: These expenses keep TWO pilots flying over 100 hour per year,
each. You could cut these expenses significantly (but not in half,
obviously) for just one pilot.

Another thing to note, is that renting an equivalent plane for 200
hours annually would cost ~$20K annually -- so owning a plane makes
financial sense for us.

How do we afford this? It's not always easy.

(a) We live in a modest home, nice, but not in "the" neighborhood where
our peers prefer to sink their savings.

(b) We don't buy new cars. Our newest car is 6 years old. My
motorcycle is 20 years old.

(c) We don't golf, go boating, or have any other expensive habits.
Mary is a spend-thrift (compared to most of the wives in our group of
friends), and personally I would be quite happy to own two pairs of
shoes. (Which, by the way, is all I do own.)

(d) We don't carry unnecessary debt. Credit cards are paid off
monthly, and we never borrow money to buy depreciating assets. For
example, if we can't pay cash for a car, we don't buy it.

(e) Our kids both work at the hotel, and earn everything they've got.
We don't just buy them every whiz-bang new electronic gizmo, they earn
them -- and birthdays and Christmas are quite modest affairs, by
comparison to some of their friends.

It's all about making choices. Mary and I make a very modest income,
eat most meals at home, don't go out much, and aren't into blowing
scads of money on ocean cruises or trips to Europe -- but we love to
fly. Flying is really our only extravagance -- we've truly built our
lives around it -- and we love it that way.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steve Foley]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...

> (b) We don't buy new cars. Our newest car is 6 years old. My
> motorcycle is 20 years old.

I just sold my 25 year old motorcycle for the same price I paid for it 12
years ago ($100). I just bought a 'new' 13 year old bike.

The last new vehicle I bought was in 1986. I still have it.

[[email protected]]

Ooo! Fun!

Mxsmanic wrote:
> If you own your own aircraft, could you discuss:
>
> 1. The make and model.

1946 Piper PA-12 "Super Cruiser"

> 2. Whether you bought it new or used (if used, a bit of history on
> it).

Used and in pieces. The airplane spent 18 years in pieces in a barn.

> 3. The cost to buy it.

It cost $30K, split 3 ways - I bought the airplane with two partners.
This included the cost of ground up restoration, plus new radios and
GPS.

> 4. The way you financed the purchase.

Used a bonus I got when I switched jobs (this was the 90s :)).

> 5. Your approximate yearly costs for operation, maintenance, and
> insurance.

All costs are divided by 3. Insurance $1000 per/year, hangar
$300/month, maintenance etc. $1000-3000 per year depending on what
needs to be done in the annual. We had wings recovered once and
fuselage repainted once.

> 6. Your approximate yearly investment in training, licensing, medical
> exams, etc. (to keep current as a pilot, as opposed to just the costs
> related to a specific aircraft).

$100 for medical every two years. Flight review every two years- often
just price of lunch as we have some CFIs in our EAA chapter. Last one
cost me $80 for a CFI - she was really excited to fly in a tail
dragger.

> I'm just curious about how much it actually costs to own and fly an
> aircraft. I get the impression that it requires either being quite
> wealthy or making severe sacrifices and never flying anything better
> than a junky tin can.

I fly about 30 to 40 hours per year. The cost for turns out to be
$50/$60 per hour with fuel (we can use car gas if needed). Which is
cheaper than renting and I get to fly a much cooler airplane whenever I
feel like.

;-)

....richie

[Bela P. Havasreti]

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:39:00 GMT, "Steve Foley"
> wrote:

>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
>> (b) We don't buy new cars. Our newest car is 6 years old. My
>> motorcycle is 20 years old.
>
>I just sold my 25 year old motorcycle for the same price I paid for it 12
>years ago ($100). I just bought a 'new' 13 year old bike.
>
>The last new vehicle I bought was in 1986. I still have it.

I've never purchased a new car (been driving since 1979). Paid
cash for all of my (used) cars (still own three, model years; 1968,
1974 & 1981).

Paid cash for my Cessna 170B 4+ years ago, sold it for more than
I paid for it last summer. Paid cash for my Cessna 180 shortly
afterwards.

I don't go out to eat, don't go to the movies, no fancy vacations, and
I don't buy "stuff" other folks tend to buy (a brand new $45K pickup
truck every other year, bikes, boats, jet-skis, trailers, campers,
giant screen TVs, high dollar home entertainment stuff, etc.).
Credit card balance = $0

I'm not wealthy, I just know how to save money!

Bela P. Havasreti

[Jay Honeck]

> The last new vehicle I bought was in 1986. I still have it.

I forgot to mention: One HUGE money-savings for us is the fact that we
are able to use regular unleaded car gas in our airplane.

At last count (our tank has a gauge) we have pumped over 7500 gallons
through our fuel truck ("The Mighty Grape" -- see it here:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/fuel_truck.htm ), making the purchase of
that truck the single best investment I've made in the 21st century...
;-)

With the price differential ranging from $1 to $2 per gallon cheaper
than avgas, the mogas STC has truly made flying more affordable for us.
It saves over $15 per hour in flight expenses, and I wouldn't even
consider buying a plane that didn't have the mogas STC.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Gene Seibel]

> If you own your own aircraft, could you discuss:
>
> 1. The make and model.

1966 Piper Cherokee 180

> 2. Whether you bought it new or used (if used, a bit of history on
> it).

Used in 2000.

> 3. The cost to buy it.

30 AMU

> 4. The way you financed the purchase.

22 AMU insurance settlement from my previous airplane plus a bank loan.

> 5. Your approximate yearly costs for operation, maintenance, and
> insurance.

Annual $1200
Insurance $800
Hangar $160 per month
Engine replacement last year $15,000. Should last us 10 to 15 years.
10 gallons of fuel per hour. Usually manage to find it under $3.50 per
gallon.

> 6. Your approximate yearly investment in training, licensing, medical
> exams, etc. (to keep current as a pilot, as opposed to just the costs
> related to a specific aircraft).

Medical and flight review every 2 years. $80 each.

> I'm just curious about how much it actually costs to own and fly an
> aircraft. I get the impression that it requires either being quite
> wealthy or making severe sacrifices and never flying anything better
> than a junky tin can.

Flying is flying. Better to have flown a junky tin can than not to have
flown at all. The sky is not impressed by what you own. Anything given
up to fly is not a sacrifice. Hours in the air given up for something
else is a sacrifice.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.

[John Gaquin]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
>>
>
> At least he doesn't take his biannual every three years.

Could be in trouble if he ever has a position requiring a Class I medical.

[Barney Rubble]

Is the Ercoupe so small that a 150 is seen as a bigger plane? I'm not a big
guy but the 150's I have flown were very cosy 2-up.


"Greg B" > wrote in message
...
> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> ...
>> If you own your own aircraft, could you discuss:
>>
>> 1. The make and model.
>
> 1946 Ercoupe 415-C
>
>> 2. Whether you bought it new or used (if used, a bit of history on
>> it).
>
> Bought it used in 2002. The plane was first sold to a someone in Oklahoma
> City on March 5, 1946. From there, it went to Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska
> and Iowa (when I bought it). I took it from Iowa to Texas, back to Iowa
> and now in Minnesota. I got the FAA CD-ROM a couple weeks ago and looked
> through its entire history. IMHO, worth ordering for your plane
>
>> 3. The cost to buy it.
>
> I paid $9,000
>
>> 4. The way you financed the purchase.
>
> Cash
>
>> 5. Your approximate yearly costs for operation, maintenance, and
>> insurance.
>
> Varied from $200 to $1,000 for annual inspections and maintenance per
> year. Also approximately $800 for insurance per year. Hangar rent ranged
> from $400 to $1,000/year depending on where it was hangared. So the fixed
> annual fees ranged from $1,400 to $2,800 per year.
>
>> 6. Your approximate yearly investment in training, licensing, medical
>> exams, etc. (to keep current as a pilot, as opposed to just the costs
>> related to a specific aircraft).
>
> Biennial flight review and medical is about $150 every 2 years. A medical
> ($100 of it) isn't required to fly as Sport Pilot*.
>
>> I'm just curious about how much it actually costs to own and fly an
>> aircraft. I get the impression that it requires either being quite
>> wealthy or making severe sacrifices and never flying anything better
>> than a junky tin can.
>
> This year, the total annual/maintenance, hangar and insurance (fixed
> costs) came to around $2,500. I only flew about 25 hours during the year
> (between annual/maintenance) so it was $100/hour to fly, not counting the
> fuel and oil costs per hour (approx. $25/hour). If I had flown 100 hours
> during the year, it would have been ~$50/hour (total) to fly.
>
> This is the reason why my aircraft sale is pending. Paid $9,000 for it 4
> years ago, flew it over 100 hours and selling (pending) it for $16,000.
> I'm getting most (all?) of the money that I have put into it for
> maintenance and annuals, etc., so overall, it WAS cheap to fly!
>
> *I can fly my Ercoupe under Sport Pilot rules; no medical required but
> have renewed my medical anyways because I like to be able to (or have the
> option to) fly at night or to fly something bigger like a C-150.
>
> -Greg B.
>

[Greg B]

"Barney Rubble" > wrote in message
...
> Is the Ercoupe so small that a 150 is seen as a bigger plane? I'm not a
> big guy but the 150's I have flown were very cosy 2-up.
>
>
> "Greg B" > wrote in message
> ...
>> *I can fly my Ercoupe under Sport Pilot rules; no medical required but
>> have renewed my medical anyways because I like to be able to (or have the
>> option to) fly at night or to fly something bigger like a C-150.

The Ercoupe does have more room (especially leg-room!) once inside than a
C150. I just called the 150 bigger in the sense that it weighs more; it's
not LSA, compared to my 'Coupe.

Direct hourly cost is 5 gallons/hour of autogas, approximately $10-15, LL100
would be close to $20/hour.

-Greg B.

[mike regish]

Where are you guys that you still get non-ethanol mogas? This ethanol
mandate in Mass. is killing me.

mike

"Greg B" > wrote in message
...
>
> Direct hourly cost is 5 gallons/hour of autogas, approximately $10-15,
> LL100 would be close to $20/hour.
>
> -Greg B.
>

[Jim Macklin]

Massoftwo****s is killing me with reelection of the Kennedy
clan, Bartley-Fox and all the rest of the liberal socialist
crap.

Pretty scenery, wonderful history until about 1900.



"mike regish" > wrote in message
. ..
| Where are you guys that you still get non-ethanol mogas?
This ethanol
| mandate in Mass. is killing me.
|
| mike
|
| "Greg B" > wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > Direct hourly cost is 5 gallons/hour of autogas,
approximately $10-15,
| > LL100 would be close to $20/hour.
| >
| > -Greg B.
| >
|
|

[Jay Honeck]

> Where are you guys that you still get non-ethanol mogas? This ethanol
> mandate in Mass. is killing me.

Greg and I are both in Iowa -- source of most of your ethanol.

Strangely, they have NOT yet mandated its sale here in Iowa -- thank
goodness.

Some states are still free.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[mike regish]

Plonk

mike

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
...
> Massoftwo****s is killing me with reelection of the Kennedy
> clan, Bartley-Fox and all the rest of the liberal socialist
> crap.
>
> Pretty scenery, wonderful history until about 1900.
>
>
>
> "mike regish" > wrote in message
> . ..
> | Where are you guys that you still get non-ethanol mogas?
> This ethanol
> | mandate in Mass. is killing me.
> |
> | mike
> |
> | "Greg B" > wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > Direct hourly cost is 5 gallons/hour of autogas,
> approximately $10-15,
> | > LL100 would be close to $20/hour.
> | >
> | > -Greg B.
> | >
> |
> |
>
>

[Matt Barrow]

"mike regish" > wrote in message
...
> Plonk
>
> mike

{Plonk}

[Mxsmanic]

Greg B writes:

> This is the reason why my aircraft sale is pending. Paid $9,000 for it 4
> years ago, flew it over 100 hours and selling (pending) it for $16,000. I'm
> getting most (all?) of the money that I have put into it for maintenance and
> annuals, etc., so overall, it WAS cheap to fly!

But what will you fly after it is sold?

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Jim Macklin]

What was it, my deliberate spelling of the name of a State,
reference to the Clan, or something else?

Plonk

mike

"Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
...
> Massoftwo****s is killing me with reelection of the
> Kennedy
> clan, Bartley-Fox and all the rest of the liberal
> socialist
> crap.
>
> Pretty scenery, wonderful history until about 1900.
>


"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
|
| "mike regish" > wrote in message
| ...
| > Plonk
| >
| > mike
|
| {Plonk}
|
|

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
"Jim Macklin" > wrote:

> What was it, my deliberate spelling of the name of a State,
> reference to the Clan, or something else?

I think the proper term is Taxachusetts.

Even though I've lived here is the socialist republic of
Taxachusetts all my life, I don't recall the Kennedy family
being referred to as the Clan.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Jay Beckman]

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Jim Macklin" > wrote:
>
>> What was it, my deliberate spelling of the name of a State,
>> reference to the Clan, or something else?
>
> I think the proper term is Taxachusetts.
>
> Even though I've lived here is the socialist republic of
> Taxachusetts all my life, I don't recall the Kennedy family
> being referred to as the Clan.
>
> --
> Bob Noel
> Looking for a sig the
> lawyers will hate

I can remember hearing news stories regarding JFK and family gathering at
"the compound" for a game of touch football and the news certainly used the
term "Kennedy Clan."

Now a Kennedy as a member of "The Clan." That's probably doubtful. I mean
really...One just doesn't wear 300 count egyptian cotton sheets to just any
outing...how gouche.

Jay B

[Jim Macklin]

They are west of the state. Yes, it does have high taxes.
If it wasn't for the American history and the fall tree
colors. The old Papa Joe groomed the family into a clan.
They are even spreading like locusts into neighboring
states. I did like JFK Jr. And the genuine war heroes from
60 years ago were people worth remembering. But Teddy lives
on his family name, money and Senatorial seniority.

Out here in Kansas we have similar ''family'' names that
draw from a Century ago. Alf Landon's daughter is a RINO.

Back to old Joe, he made the family fortune selling Scotch
during Prohibition. He also sold a lot of swamp land at
high prices to Northerners and then bought it back at
distressed prices with a shell company. Bought and sold the
same swamp many times.

JFK and Joe Jr, and JFK Jr. OK. The rest a waste of DNA.


"Bob Noel" > wrote in
message
...
| In article >,
| "Jim Macklin" >
wrote:
|
| > What was it, my deliberate spelling of the name of a
State,
| > reference to the Clan, or something else?
|
| I think the proper term is Taxachusetts.
|
| Even though I've lived here is the socialist republic of
| Taxachusetts all my life, I don't recall the Kennedy
family
| being referred to as the Clan.
|
| --
| Bob Noel
| Looking for a sig the
| lawyers will hate
|

[Jim Macklin]

That was Klan as in KKK. Clan is a good Scottish name for
family. Or the movie, Clan of the Cave Bear.


"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Bob Noel" > wrote in
message
|
...
| > In article >,
| > "Jim Macklin" >
wrote:
| >
| >> What was it, my deliberate spelling of the name of a
State,
| >> reference to the Clan, or something else?
| >
| > I think the proper term is Taxachusetts.
| >
| > Even though I've lived here is the socialist republic of
| > Taxachusetts all my life, I don't recall the Kennedy
family
| > being referred to as the Clan.
| >
| > --
| > Bob Noel
| > Looking for a sig the
| > lawyers will hate
|
| I can remember hearing news stories regarding JFK and
family gathering at
| "the compound" for a game of touch football and the news
certainly used the
| term "Kennedy Clan."
|
| Now a Kennedy as a member of "The Clan." That's probably
doubtful. I mean
| really...One just doesn't wear 300 count egyptian cotton
sheets to just any
| outing...how gouche.
|
| Jay B
|
|

[Greg B]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Greg B writes:
>
>> This is the reason why my aircraft sale is pending. Paid $9,000 for it 4
>> years ago, flew it over 100 hours and selling (pending) it for $16,000.
>> I'm
>> getting most (all?) of the money that I have put into it for maintenance
>> and
>> annuals, etc., so overall, it WAS cheap to fly!
>
> But what will you fly after it is sold?

There are a few non-LSA aircraft locally that I can rent. If I flew more
than 25 hours/year, it would probably be cheaper to own than rent.

Otherwise, sims are cheap to fly... ;-)

-Greg B.

[mike regish]

Nope. You're just an asshole.

mike

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
...

> What was it, my deliberate spelling of the name of a State,
> reference to the Clan, or something else?

[Jim Macklin]

LOL, but I do have a sense of humor.



"mike regish" > wrote in message
. ..
| Nope. You're just an asshole.
|
| mike
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| ...
|
| > What was it, my deliberate spelling of the name of a
State,
| > reference to the Clan, or something else?
|
|

[Peter R.]

mike regish > wrote:

> Nope. You're just an asshole.

I thought you plonked him?

--
Peter

[mike regish]

Guess I wasn't quick enough.

mike

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> mike regish > wrote:
>
>> Nope. You're just an asshole.
>
> I thought you plonked him?
>
> --
> Peter