Airport Runways and Wind Turbines

[J]

A runway for a small town airport is .8 miles long. What is the regulation
for maximum height of a structure .9 miles beyond the end of the runway?
Given a cessna 170b, for example, the plane could travel that .9 miles in as
little as a half a minute. A max rate of climb of 660fpm would give it 330
ft of elevation. What is the possibility of building a tower or wind
turbine there?

Thanks
JB

[Jim Macklin]

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"J" <nospamplease> wrote in message
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|A runway for a small town airport is .8 miles long. What
is the regulation
| for maximum height of a structure .9 miles beyond the end
of the runway?
| Given a cessna 170b, for example, the plane could travel
that .9 miles in as
| little as a half a minute. A max rate of climb of 660fpm
would give it 330
| ft of elevation. What is the possibility of building a
tower or wind
| turbine there?
|
| Thanks
| JB
|
|

[Jim Burns[_1_]]

Talk to the airport commission, county board, local land owners ect....
somebody will have a copy of the local "avigation easements" that have been
acquired from the surrounding property owners. I've gone through the
process with land we owned next to a Wisconsin airport. It listed to what
extent we could park equipment, build, or maintain trees along each side of
and near the ends of the runways and extending outwards and upwards from the
runways.

In our case it began with a "master plan" and then the land owners were
contacted, concerns taken into account, then the plan was customized for the
location and the neighbors specific operations... to an extent. For
instance we were allowed to operate a moveable irrigation system near the
runway, but could not park it there, it could only move through the area.
Also we were required to remove any trees over 30' tall on land just across
the road from the main runway.

I've got copies of the plans around here somewhere, I would think most
adjacent land owners in your area would also have such info from the FAA.
Jim

"J" <nospamplease> wrote in message
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> A runway for a small town airport is .8 miles long. What is the
regulation
> for maximum height of a structure .9 miles beyond the end of the runway?
> Given a cessna 170b, for example, the plane could travel that .9 miles in
as
> little as a half a minute. A max rate of climb of 660fpm would give it
330
> ft of elevation. What is the possibility of building a tower or wind
> turbine there?
>
> Thanks
> JB
>
>

[J]

Thanks a lot!

A 1/20 grade from the end of the runway for 5000 feet. Looks like 200 feet
might fly.

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
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> Link to FAR 77...
>
>
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> "J" <nospamplease> wrote in message
> ...
> |A runway for a small town airport is .8 miles long. What
> is the regulation
> | for maximum height of a structure .9 miles beyond the end
> of the runway?
> | Given a cessna 170b, for example, the plane could travel
> that .9 miles in as
> | little as a half a minute. A max rate of climb of 660fpm
> would give it 330
> | ft of elevation. What is the possibility of building a
> tower or wind
> | turbine there?
> |
> | Thanks
> | JB
> |
> |
>
>

[J]

Thanks for sharing your experience. I've heard all land is valuable, but at
the end of a runway, strip mined twice, (no timber) with no current access
road and a likely screwed up water table in a declining back woods under
educated over aged town of 6000 people *deep breath* I can't imagine any
value over 'stinker'.
JB

"Jim Burns" > wrote in message
...
> Talk to the airport commission, county board, local land owners ect....
> somebody will have a copy of the local "avigation easements" that have
> been
> acquired from the surrounding property owners. I've gone through the
> process with land we owned next to a Wisconsin airport. It listed to what
> extent we could park equipment, build, or maintain trees along each side
> of
> and near the ends of the runways and extending outwards and upwards from
> the
> runways.
>
> In our case it began with a "master plan" and then the land owners were
> contacted, concerns taken into account, then the plan was customized for
> the
> location and the neighbors specific operations... to an extent. For
> instance we were allowed to operate a moveable irrigation system near the
> runway, but could not park it there, it could only move through the area.
> Also we were required to remove any trees over 30' tall on land just
> across
> the road from the main runway.
>
> I've got copies of the plans around here somewhere, I would think most
> adjacent land owners in your area would also have such info from the FAA.
> Jim
>
> "J" <nospamplease> wrote in message
> ...
>> A runway for a small town airport is .8 miles long. What is the
> regulation
>> for maximum height of a structure .9 miles beyond the end of the runway?
>> Given a cessna 170b, for example, the plane could travel that .9 miles in
> as
>> little as a half a minute. A max rate of climb of 660fpm would give it
> 330
>> ft of elevation. What is the possibility of building a tower or wind
>> turbine there?
>>
>> Thanks
>> JB
>>
>>
>
>

[Jim Burns[_1_]]

I just dug out one of our maps from the Wisconsin DOT regarding one of their
easements on our property. Off each end of each runway there are clear zone
easements with a slope of 20:1 that extend a distance of 637 off one runway
and a distance of 1500' of the other end of the runway. Beyond that there
is an "avigation" easement with a slope of 34:1 that extends 1600' beyond
the clear zone easement on the approach end of the only runway with an
instrument approach at this airport.

The easements that the DOT "purchased" from us covered an area from 10 ft
above to 50 ft above the ground over 13.86 acres. After negotiations, they
paid us $5000 for the easement, the land itself later sold in 2003 for
$42,000. I also found a little brochure that the State of Wisconsin
provided that points to this site:
www.dot.wisconsin.gov/library/publications/topic/air/avigation-easements.pdf

Jim

"J" <nospamplease> wrote in message
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> Thanks a lot!
>
> A 1/20 grade from the end of the runway for 5000 feet. Looks like 200
feet
> might fly.
>
> "Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
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> >
> > Link to FAR 77...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "J" <nospamplease> wrote in message
> > ...
> > |A runway for a small town airport is .8 miles long. What
> > is the regulation
> > | for maximum height of a structure .9 miles beyond the end
> > of the runway?
> > | Given a cessna 170b, for example, the plane could travel
> > that .9 miles in as
> > | little as a half a minute. A max rate of climb of 660fpm
> > would give it 330
> > | ft of elevation. What is the possibility of building a
> > tower or wind
> > | turbine there?
> > |
> > | Thanks
> > | JB
> > |
> > |
> >
> >
>
>

[Jim Macklin]

It is a starting place. Contact the local FSDO safety
officer. A lot will depend on whether there is an IAP and
even more if there is any commercial operation or
particularly airline passenger traffic.


"J" <nospamplease> wrote in message
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| Thanks a lot!
|
| A 1/20 grade from the end of the runway for 5000 feet.
Looks like 200 feet
| might fly.
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| ...
| >
| >
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| >
| > Link to FAR 77...
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > "J" <nospamplease> wrote in message
| > ...
| > |A runway for a small town airport is .8 miles long.
What
| > is the regulation
| > | for maximum height of a structure .9 miles beyond the
end
| > of the runway?
| > | Given a cessna 170b, for example, the plane could
travel
| > that .9 miles in as
| > | little as a half a minute. A max rate of climb of
660fpm
| > would give it 330
| > | ft of elevation. What is the possibility of building
a
| > tower or wind
| > | turbine there?
| > |
| > | Thanks
| > | JB
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

[john smith]

In article >,
"Jim Burns" > wrote:

> Beyond that there
> is an "avigation" easement with a slope of 34:1 that extends 1600' beyond
> the clear zone easement on the approach end of the only runway with an
> instrument approach at this airport.

Non-precision is 34:1.
ILS is 50:1.