Re: Why I'll never build a kit plane.]

[Larry Smith]

This was not a kit. It's a Rutan moldless composite design built from plans. The design has many successful examples flying today, probably hundreds. Wait until all the evidence is in before you draw your conclusions.

I agree that the death is tragic. We had a wonderful aircraft builder, an ophthalmologist, killed here several years ago when he flew his Moni for the first time. His wife and children were also watching. Oh, it was a sad day of grief! But, you know, that young doctor had flown a Rutan-designed aircraft for a number of happy years before the catastrophe which took his life.

Don't jump to rash conclusions.
"Jim Willson" > wrote in message news:3f1e93b4$1@ham...
Even though I'd be quite capable of doing it, I'll never build a kit airplane. Call me a wimp, but I've assembled too many bicycles on Christmas morning to think that I could be 100% correct in building an airplane. And for what?! A thrill. The pride to say, "Look what I did!" I wonder what the kids will say about their daddy. I'm sure he spent hours at the hanger instead of with them. Perhaps they sat at the hanger watching him asking him annoying questions so that they could at least get his attention. I'm sure he made many promises to spend more time with them when the plane was finished.

We spend so many hours of our lives chasing after the temporal things of this world, (i.e. hobbies, work, a name, a reputation). We never spend time chasing after the things that will count when we're gone (the character of our family) or those things eternal.

I grieve for this family. What a waste!

R/
Jim

================================================== ===========================================
Engineer Killed in Small Plane Crash
TEHACHAPI, Calif. (AP) - An aerospace engineer was killed when a kit airplane he had spent years building crashed during takeoff on its maiden flight.
The single-engine plane piloted by David Robert Thompson (http://www.scaled.com), 38, fell back onto the runway and burst into flames Sunday at Mountain Valley Airport, about 70 miles north of Los Angeles.
His wife and two children were among the witnesses.
``His family was there, videotaping,'' said coroner Kelly Cowan. ``It was supposed to be a celebration.''
The cause of the crash was not known.
Thompson was in charge of developing a rocket motor for a private manned spaceship program that aims to some day launch a three-seat spaceship on suborbital flights.
He worked for the aerospace company founded by Burt Rutan, who designed the only aircraft to fly around the world nonstop without refueling.
Rutan said Monday that Thompson was flying a Q2, a kit plane marketed in the 1980s by a company that is no longer in business. He said Thompson ``was very private'' about the plane and did not tell co-workers about the flight.

[Bill Chernoff]

Better that the kids and dad are at the hangar, rather than
dad sitting in a bar somewhere, and the kids who knows where?

Aren't patience and pride of workmanship two important values that
you would want to instill in your children? How about creativety? Or is
your idea of
creativety a clip-art card your kid "made" for you at the computer?

Live is to be lived, not skipped because of safety issues.

Go watch TV with your kids, Jim. Its safe, and you'll be spending
quality time with them.

The crash is a terrible tragedy, and my heart truly goes out to the family.
But if it has one (small) positive, it is to remind us that life is
precious, and fragile.

Bill Chernoff

[Jim Willson]

Bill Chernoff wrote:

>Live is to be lived, not skipped because of safety issues.
>
>Go watch TV with your kids, Jim. Its safe, and you'll be spending
>quality time with them.
>
I flew on aircraft carriers for 11 years (minus time on shore billets)
and had 1500 hrs and over 300 traps. Please don't lecture me on
aviation safety. But after spending years chasing after a sense of
accomplishment, a name for myself, and living life to its fullest, I
learned the meaning of a fulfilled life. It's the smile, the hug, the
hand in hand, the talking about what interests them under a tree or
reading a book to them. What's a TV?

Careful, you're doing the same thing you're accusing me of doing.
Stereotyping.

R/
Jim

[Fred in Florida]

>"Larry Smith" > wrote in message
...
>This was not a kit. It's a Rutan moldless composite design built from
plans. The design has many successful examples >flying today, probably
hundreds. Wait until all the evidence is in before you draw your
conclusions.
>
>I agree that the death is tragic. We had a wonderful aircraft builder, an
ophthalmologist, killed here several years ago when >he flew his Moni for
the first time. His wife and children were also watching. Oh, it was a
sad day of grief! But, you >know, that young doctor had flown a
Rutan-designed aircraft for a number of happy years before the catastrophe
which >took his life.
>
>Don't jump to rash conclusions.

Larry, just a small point. While Rutan did design (not market) the original
18-20 hp Quickie, he had nothing to do with the Q2 2-seater and its
derivatives, which were designed by Garry LaGare.

Fred in Florida

PS My Express door latches are great, very much like Glasair latches. Check
'em out ;-)

[Larry Smith]

"Fred in Florida" > wrote in message
om...
> >"Larry Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> >This was not a kit. It's a Rutan moldless composite design built from
> plans. The design has many successful examples >flying today, probably
> hundreds. Wait until all the evidence is in before you draw your
> conclusions.
> >
> >I agree that the death is tragic. We had a wonderful aircraft builder,
an
> ophthalmologist, killed here several years ago when >he flew his Moni for
> the first time. His wife and children were also watching. Oh, it was a
> sad day of grief! But, you >know, that young doctor had flown a
> Rutan-designed aircraft for a number of happy years before the catastrophe
> which >took his life.
> >
> >Don't jump to rash conclusions.
>
> Larry, just a small point. While Rutan did design (not market) the
original
> 18-20 hp Quickie, he had nothing to do with the Q2 2-seater and its
> derivatives, which were designed by Garry LaGare.
>
> Fred in Florida
>
> PS My Express door latches are great, very much like Glasair latches.
Check
> 'em out ;-)
>
>

Thanks, and for the tip, thanks too. I am trying to get in the mood for
Oshkosh and there's a monsoon beating the hell out of the roof just now.

And, btw, I should have said that the Doctor (who died in the Moni) built
the Rutan Defiant himself and flew it all over the USA.

[Mitch Hines]

Yes it is a terrible thing that happened while a man chased his dreams, but
if man was never passionate about the "temporal things" he would likely
still be sitting with his family around the fire, just outside the cave
entrance.

Just the fact that we can have this conversation with folks from all parts
of the country and even the world is evidence of what chasing those passions
adds to the world. Many times these passions have tragic endings, but that
doesn't mean it is a waste, it's part what defines the human race.

And while the family of David Robert Thompson has suffered a great loss,
there is nothing in the news that would indicate that he was any less
passionate about his family than he was about his work. On the contrary, I
would imagine his same passion for life, creativity and discovery has rubbed
off on his children and will continue to shape their lives for the rest of
their time on earth.

Regards,

Mitch

Mitch Hines
Alon A-2 Aircoupe
N6369V


Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical
and insignificant, if not utterly impossible.

- Simon Newcomb, 1902



"Jim Willson" > wrote in message news:3f1e93b4$1@ham...
Even though I'd be quite capable of doing it, I'll never build a kit
airplane. Call me a wimp, but I've assembled too many bicycles on Christmas
morning to think that I could be 100% correct in building an airplane. And
for what?! A thrill. The pride to say, "Look what I did!" I wonder what
the kids will say about their daddy. I'm sure he spent hours at the hanger
instead of with them. Perhaps they sat at the hanger watching him asking
him annoying questions so that they could at least get his attention. I'm
sure he made many promises to spend more time with them when the plane was
finished.

We spend so many hours of our lives chasing after the temporal things of
this world, (i.e. hobbies, work, a name, a reputation). We never spend time
chasing after the things that will count when we're gone (the character of
our family) or those things eternal.

I grieve for this family. What a waste!

R/
Jim

================================================== ==========================
=================
Engineer Killed in Small Plane Crash
TEHACHAPI, Calif. (AP) - An aerospace engineer was killed when a kit
airplane he had spent years building crashed during takeoff on its maiden
flight.
The single-engine plane piloted by David Robert Thompson
(http://www.scaled.com), 38, fell back onto the runway and burst into flames
Sunday at Mountain Valley Airport, about 70 miles north of Los Angeles.
His wife and two children were among the witnesses.
``His family was there, videotaping,'' said coroner Kelly Cowan. ``It was
supposed to be a celebration.''
The cause of the crash was not known.
Thompson was in charge of developing a rocket motor for a private manned
spaceship program that aims to some day launch a three-seat spaceship on
suborbital flights.
He worked for the aerospace company founded by Burt Rutan, who designed the
only aircraft to fly around the world nonstop without refueling.
Rutan said Monday that Thompson was flying a Q2, a kit plane marketed in the
1980s by a company that is no longer in business. He said Thompson ``was
very private'' about the plane and did not tell co-workers about the flight.

[mm]

Fair enough. You're certainly entitled your opinions and only you can make the choices about how you should live your life. But why, then, do you bother to read this news group and why do feel you should post your opinions here? I don't go to a dancing newsgroup and tell the members there why I don't like to dance.
"Jim Willson" > wrote in message news:3f1e93b4$1@ham...
Even though I'd be quite capable of doing it, I'll never build a kit airplane. Call me a wimp, but I've assembled too many bicycles on Christmas morning to think that I could be 100% correct in building an airplane. And for what?! A thrill. The pride to say, "Look what I did!" I wonder what the kids will say about their daddy. I'm sure he spent hours at the hanger instead of with them. Perhaps they sat at the hanger watching him asking him annoying questions so that they could at least get his attention. I'm sure he made many promises to spend more time with them when the plane was finished.

We spend so many hours of our lives chasing after the temporal things of this world, (i.e. hobbies, work, a name, a reputation). We never spend time chasing after the things that will count when we're gone (the character of our family) or those things eternal.

I grieve for this family. What a waste!

R/
Jim

================================================== ===========================================
Engineer Killed in Small Plane Crash
TEHACHAPI, Calif. (AP) - An aerospace engineer was killed when a kit airplane he had spent years building crashed during takeoff on its maiden flight.
The single-engine plane piloted by David Robert Thompson (http://www.scaled.com), 38, fell back onto the runway and burst into flames Sunday at Mountain Valley Airport, about 70 miles north of Los Angeles.
His wife and two children were among the witnesses.
``His family was there, videotaping,'' said coroner Kelly Cowan. ``It was supposed to be a celebration.''
The cause of the crash was not known.
Thompson was in charge of developing a rocket motor for a private manned spaceship program that aims to some day launch a three-seat spaceship on suborbital flights.
He worked for the aerospace company founded by Burt Rutan, who designed the only aircraft to fly around the world nonstop without refueling.
Rutan said Monday that Thompson was flying a Q2, a kit plane marketed in the 1980s by a company that is no longer in business. He said Thompson ``was very private'' about the plane and did not tell co-workers about the flight.

[Gig Giacona]

Don't FEED THE TROLL.









"Jim Willson" > wrote in message news:3f1e93b4$1@ham...
Even though I'd be quite capable of doing it, I'll never build a kit
airplane. Call me a wimp, but I've assembled too many bicycles on Christmas
morning to think that I could be 100% correct in building an airplane. And
for what?! A thrill. The pride to say, "Look what I did!" I wonder what
the kids will say about their daddy. I'm sure he spent hours at the hanger
instead of with them. Perhaps they sat at the hanger watching him asking
him annoying questions so that they could at least get his attention. I'm
sure he made many promises to spend more time with them when the plane was
finished.

We spend so many hours of our lives chasing after the temporal things of
this world, (i.e. hobbies, work, a name, a reputation). We never spend time
chasing after the things that will count when we're gone (the character of
our family) or those things eternal.

I grieve for this family. What a waste!

R/
Jim

================================================== ==========================
=================
Engineer Killed in Small Plane Crash
TEHACHAPI, Calif. (AP) - An aerospace engineer was killed when a kit
airplane he had spent years building crashed during takeoff on its maiden
flight.
The single-engine plane piloted by David Robert Thompson
(http://www.scaled.com), 38, fell back onto the runway and burst into flames
Sunday at Mountain Valley Airport, about 70 miles north of Los Angeles.
His wife and two children were among the witnesses.
``His family was there, videotaping,'' said coroner Kelly Cowan. ``It was
supposed to be a celebration.''
The cause of the crash was not known.
Thompson was in charge of developing a rocket motor for a private manned
spaceship program that aims to some day launch a three-seat spaceship on
suborbital flights.
He worked for the aerospace company founded by Burt Rutan, who designed the
only aircraft to fly around the world nonstop without refueling.
Rutan said Monday that Thompson was flying a Q2, a kit plane marketed in the
1980s by a company that is no longer in business. He said Thompson ``was
very private'' about the plane and did not tell co-workers about the flight.

[Whunicut]

As an old carrier sailor, I have never heard the term "flew ON carriers"
before. It was always "flew FROM or OFF carriers".
Not to doubt your varacity, Sir. Just that things change, I suppose.

Warren
Single up, fore and aft.

>I flew on aircraft carriers for 11 years (minus time on shore billets)
>and had 1500 hrs and over 300 traps. Please don't lecture me on
>aviation safety.
<snipped>

[Jim Willson]

If I wanted to use carrier lingo, I would have said, "The Boat." :)

R/
Jim

Big John wrote:

>Warren
>
>Jim could have been thinking about "deploying ON a carrier" or he
>wrote in terminology the 'great unwashed masses' would understand <G>
>
>I never could find a 'toilet' on a carrier. Before some s***t a*s
>(theres a bunch in this group) comes along, doesn't mean I'm full of
>s**t either even though some of my postings may seem like it at times
><G>
>
>Big John
>
>On 24 Jul 2003 12:29:38 GMT, (Whunicut) wrote:
>
>
>
>>As an old carrier sailor, I have never heard the term "flew ON carriers"
>>before. It was always "flew FROM or OFF carriers".
>>Not to doubt your varacity, Sir. Just that things change, I suppose.
>>
>>Warren
>>Single up, fore and aft.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I flew on aircraft carriers for 11 years (minus time on shore billets)
>>>and had 1500 hrs and over 300 traps. Please don't lecture me on
>>>aviation safety.
>>>
>>>
>><snipped>
>>
>>
>
>
>

[nafod40]

Jim Willson wrote:

>
> I know all too well that aviation is risky.<big snip> It is as if the
> thrill becomes an addiction.

My other hobby, which really I spend more time on, is rock climbing. I
read and post to rec.climbing often, and the issue of risk/benefit comes
up all the time. The final conclusion about risk/benefit most climbers
end up making is "Why ask why?" The sport is ultimately meaningless.
Trying to quantify the metric of benefit of the thrill of conquering the
odds is like trying to measure some kind of units of love. Ain't going
to happen. Just is. The key is to at least make informed decisions,
without deluding yourself with some false sense of safety.

To quote the famous former Texas gubernatorial candidate, just "lay back
and enjoy it".

>>>I flew on aircraft carriers for 11 years (minus time on shore
>>>billets) and had 1500 hrs and over 300 traps.

15 years, 1900 hours, 300+ traps in E-2s and other. What'd you fly?

[Jim Willson]

nafod40 wrote:

>Jim Willson wrote:
>
>
>
>15 years, 1900 hours, 300+ traps in E-2s and other. What'd you fly?
>

Hoovers

[wmbjk]

"Jim Willson" > wrote in message
news:3f1fe922$1@ham...

> With this reply, I'll finish "Trolling".

You claim that you have good intentions. Could be. But you're self
righteous and judgmental. Perhaps you could form a club of like-minded
individuals. Members might follow each other around administering a boot
in the ass anytime one of you takes any action that another decides is a
demonstration that family is not being put first. I'm thinking you all
might be pretty busy discouraging extra helpings, skiing, or taking a
shower without wearing a safety harness. Might even be able to get
sponsorship from one of the temperfoam companies.

Wayne

[Barnyard BOb --]

>What I can't understand is why you just didn't simply post a question to the
>effect of: Why does recreation aviation have the least benefit to at risk
>ratio? And open up an honest discussion starting with the first two
>paragraphs you posted below -- which were quite well written I might add.
>At least that would have established your credibility to some degree.
>Instead you chose to post a judgmental, at least in my eyes, commentary on a
>fellow aviators recent death and his supposed relationship with his family
>and then -- very troll-like-- waited for the fallout. I just don't know
>what kind response you expected to get after doing something like that.
>Certainly not an objective and balanced one. Had you done it differently, I
>think you would have had not a single hostile response and much more
>constructive dialogue.
>
>gpa
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Some folks just gotta' preach, gpa!
[Don't ax me how I know.] ;-)

It is presumptive, arrogant, obnoxious, etcetera to stick one's
nose, uninvited, into the inner sanctum of another's most private
and personal world. Usually, the offense is not complete until the
perpetrator sticks his odious two cents in on a religious plane to
punctuate his self serving righteousness.


Barnyard BOb - beware of do-gooders

[OldCop]

I believe, No Apparent Fear of Death 40, that the basketball coach of Texas
Tech made that statement while coaching at IU and was speaking about being
raped. One of many statements I think he later regreted.

Here all this time I thought you all climbed those thing cause they were
there, silly me!

Round ball and Football Fan

OldCop


"nafod40" > wrote in message
...
> Jim Willson wrote:
>
> >
> > I know all too well that aviation is risky.<big snip> It is as if the
> > thrill becomes an addiction.
>
> My other hobby, which really I spend more time on, is rock climbing. I
> read and post to rec.climbing often, and the issue of risk/benefit comes
> up all the time. The final conclusion about risk/benefit most climbers
> end up making is "Why ask why?" The sport is ultimately meaningless.
> Trying to quantify the metric of benefit of the thrill of conquering the
> odds is like trying to measure some kind of units of love. Ain't going
> to happen. Just is. The key is to at least make informed decisions,
> without deluding yourself with some false sense of safety.
>
> To quote the famous former Texas gubernatorial candidate, just "lay back
> and enjoy it".
>
> >>>I flew on aircraft carriers for 11 years (minus time on shore
> >>>billets) and had 1500 hrs and over 300 traps.
>
> 15 years, 1900 hours, 300+ traps in E-2s and other. What'd you fly?

[nafod40]

OldCop wrote:

> I believe, No Apparent Fear of Death 40, that the basketball coach of
> Texas Tech made that statement while coaching at IU and was speaking
> about being raped. One of many statements I think he later regreted.

That's a big negatory, old doughnut muncher. Clayton Williams lost to Ann
Richards (of "silver foot in his mouth" fame) on the strength of such
quotes. Read it and weep out loud

http://www.mindlesscrap.com/quotes/political.htm

Your Texas Tech coach probably regretted not making the statement, at least
no making it first.

[Whunicut]

Yep, and my old Chief would have kicked your butt for calling his SHIP a boat!!
:))
Don`t you know BOATS are carried aboard SHIPS, Boot? lol.
Things change, language changes and life goes on.
1940`s Navy was far different from today`s. Imagine, round recip engines! And a
straight deck, no less. If your hook missed all cross deck pendants, you hit
the barriers!
No airconditioning! How on earth did we survive? heh

>If I wanted to use carrier lingo, I would have said, "The Boat." :)
>
>R/
>Jim

[Whunicut]

Quite right, John. Deploying onboard the (fill in the name) sounds right.

Sorry you had trouble finding the "terlit" aboard ship.

You could have done as the Japanese did and hung over the fantail! lol

Regards,
Warren
Always enjoy your posts!

>I never could find a 'toilet' on a carrier. Before some s***t a*s
>(theres a bunch in this group) comes along, doesn't mean I'm full of
>s**t either even though some of my postings may seem like it at times
><G>

[rb]

> I flew on aircraft carriers for 11 years (minus time on shore billets)
> and had 1500 hrs and over 300 traps. Please don't lecture me on
> aviation safety.

Well, you ARE basically telling people to give up on this before they start,
then your rebuttal is a "been there done that" M.O. Furthermore, after you
bitch over the dangers as one of the reasons you're not going to do it, you
tell people not to lecture you about safety. You sir are a complete idiot
whom I doubt has any such flight time. There is more to aviation than
actually flying, alot of it is about spirit, something you don't have or
lost somewhere along the way. There are people who are willing to accept
the risks of flying, and there are people that aren't willing to do that.
Put yourself in the second category and find another board to troll, I doubt
your tactics are going to discourage anyone here.

"Jim Willson" > wrote in message
news:3f1ec58b$1@ham...
>
>
> Bill Chernoff wrote:
>
> >Live is to be lived, not skipped because of safety issues.
> >
> >Go watch TV with your kids, Jim. Its safe, and you'll be spending
> >quality time with them.
> >
> I flew on aircraft carriers for 11 years (minus time on shore billets)
> and had 1500 hrs and over 300 traps. Please don't lecture me on
> aviation safety. But after spending years chasing after a sense of
> accomplishment, a name for myself, and living life to its fullest, I
> learned the meaning of a fulfilled life. It's the smile, the hug, the
> hand in hand, the talking about what interests them under a tree or
> reading a book to them. What's a TV?
>
> Careful, you're doing the same thing you're accusing me of doing.
> Stereotyping.
>
> R/
> Jim
>
>

[rb]

God, what a drama queen. Get off the stage please.
"Jim Willson" > wrote in message news:3f1fe922$1@ham...
Thanks.

[Corrie]

(Whunicut) wrote in message >...
> Quite right, John. Deploying onboard the (fill in the name) sounds right.

I always thought that the only 'boats' in the Navy apart from lighters
and liferafts were the subs. In their world, of course, there are
only 'boats' and 'targets.' :-D

As far as the risk/benefit ratio goes, well, people sail small boats
across the ocean when they could get much the same effect by standing
in a cold shower ripping up hundred-dollar bills. (We could do the
same thing, but squatting in the middle of a blacktop parking lot in
mid-summer.)

But truth be told, the Harley shirt captures it best: If you have to
ask, you wouldn't understand.

[nafod40]

Corrie wrote:

> Whunicut wrote
> >...
>> Quite right, John. Deploying onboard the (fill in the name) sounds
>> right.
>
> I always thought that the only 'boats' in the Navy apart from lighters
> and liferafts were the subs.

It may weight 80,000 tons, but it sure looks
like a boat from the cockpit. : )

> As far as the risk/benefit ratio goes, well, people sail small boats
> across the ocean when they could get much the same effect by standing
> in a cold shower ripping up hundred-dollar bills.

I just watched on OLN a show about bull riding followed by a show about
running the bulls at Pamplona. There's no accounting for taste in
thrills...

[Barnyard BOb --]

Corrie wrote:

>But truth be told, the Harley shirt captures it best: If you have to
>ask, you wouldn't understand.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yep...
Kinda' sums things up, alright.


Barnyard BOb --
The more people I meet,
the more I love my dog...
and George Carlin humor.

[Del Rawlins]

On 24 Jul 2003 08:47 PM, Corrie posted the following:
> (Whunicut) wrote in message news:<20030724183928.
> >...
>> Quite right, John. Deploying onboard the (fill in the name) sounds
>> right.
>
> I always thought that the only 'boats' in the Navy apart from lighters
> and liferafts were the subs. In their world, of course, there are
> only 'boats' and 'targets.' :-D
>
> As far as the risk/benefit ratio goes, well, people sail small boats
> across the ocean when they could get much the same effect by standing
> in a cold shower ripping up hundred-dollar bills. (We could do the
> same thing, but squatting in the middle of a blacktop parking lot in
> mid-summer.)
>
> But truth be told, the Harley shirt captures it best: If you have to
> ask, you wouldn't understand.

I like the bumper stickers that say "It's a Jeep thing, you wouldn't
understand."

----------------------------------------------------
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Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

[OldCop]

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2000/09/12/loc_indiana_still_loves.html

Having led IU since 1971, Mr. Knight's firing was prompted by a series of
outbursts and confrontations that go back more than two decades. He once
wrapped his hand around a player's neck during practice. He threw a chair in
front of a Purdue player about to shoot a technical foul shot during a game.
He told NBC's Connie Chung during a 1988 interview "I think that if rape is
inevitable, lay back and enjoy it."


"nafod40" > wrote in message
...
>
> To quote the famous former Texas gubernatorial candidate, just "lay back
> and enjoy it".
>

[OldCop]

As you can see your Texan's quibb was made a couple years after Bobby's
statement.

You want one of these stale donuts?
A beer to wash them down perhaps?

Have a great day,

OldCop


"OldCop" > wrote in message
. net...
> http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2000/09/12/loc_indiana_still_loves.html
>
> Having led IU since 1971, Mr. Knight's firing was prompted by a series of
> outbursts and confrontations that go back more than two decades. He once
> wrapped his hand around a player's neck during practice. He threw a chair
in
> front of a Purdue player about to shoot a technical foul shot during a
game.
> He told NBC's Connie Chung during a 1988 interview "I think that if rape
is
> inevitable, lay back and enjoy it."
>
>
> "nafod40" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > To quote the famous former Texas gubernatorial candidate, just "lay back
> > and enjoy it".
> >
>
>