$7.42/gallon avgas

[M[_1_]]

The Airnav fuel report says the highest avgas price in the country
right now is $7.42.

http://www.airnav.com/fuel/report.html

It didn't take long to find out where. Atlantic Aviation at Teterboro
(http://www.airnav.com/airport/KTEB). $7.42 a gallon, that's
breathtaking!

[gpsman]

M wrote:
> The Airnav fuel report says the highest avgas price in the country
> right now is $7.42.
>
> http://www.airnav.com/fuel/report.html
>
> It didn't take long to find out where. Atlantic Aviation at Teterboro
> (http://www.airnav.com/airport/KTEB). $7.42 a gallon, that's
> breathtaking!

Airnav.com seems to have been constructed by a committee of 6th grade
SpecEd students led to believe they are studying IT and MS would place
both them and Mxsmanic on the management payroll tomorrow if only "the
government" would consent.

I don't think it would be wise practice to count on airnav.com as a
source of reliable and current information.
-----

- gpsman

[M[_1_]]

Airnav.com fuel prices come from user input. And your point is that
the fuel price at Atlantic Aviation at TEB is not $7.42? That's
possible, but what it is then?

gpsman wrote:

>
> I don't think it would be wise practice to count on airnav.com as a
> source of reliable and current information.
> -----
>
> - gpsman

[Jim Macklin]

There are many local taxes added in NJ.



"M" > wrote in message
ups.com...
| Airnav.com fuel prices come from user input. And your
point is that
| the fuel price at Atlantic Aviation at TEB is not $7.42?
That's
| possible, but what it is then?
|
| gpsman wrote:
|
| >
| > I don't think it would be wise practice to count on
airnav.com as a
| > source of reliable and current information.
| > -----
| >
| > - gpsman
|

[gpsman]

M wrote: <top poasting/brevity snip>
> Airnav.com fuel prices come from user input. And your point is that
> the fuel price at Atlantic Aviation at TEB is not $7.42?

No. I will copy and paste very slowly:

"I don't think it would be wise practice to count on airnav.com as a
source of reliable and current information."

With my new information I would add; *especially* if their fuel prices
are derived from "user input".

> That's possible, but what it is then?

Who gives a ****? IMO, nobody with any sense who isn't forced to fly
(or drive, take a train, bus, taxi, bicycle or walk) into NJ would.
And I imagine it would have to make exhorbitant prices for everything
else besides avgas worth it.

"We're going to NJ on vacation" is not a phrase with which I'm
familiar... although I'm sure it's been expressed with some joy by
persons who live in even more severe ********s.
-----

- gpsman

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

gpsman wrote:
> "I don't think it would be wise practice to count on airnav.com as a
> source of reliable and current information."

Hmmmm... Let's see... They get their information from the FAA database
every time a new one is issued... Seems like a pretty good start for
accurate information... I doubt that the airports have moved that much
in the meantime... Now, some of the contact information might be wrong,
but it's wrong in the FAA database also...

> With my new information I would add; *especially* if their fuel prices
> are derived from "user input".

Some of it is from pilot input, some is from the actual FBOs
themselves... Quite a few of the FBOs have realized that keeping their
information up to date on AirNav has a certain advertising value to
it... Many also realize (for better or worse) that the user comments
that get left there actually get read and considered by other pilots who
are deciding which airports to refuel at on a cross-country flight...
It's a source of information... Not a sole source, but a good first
start...

> Who gives a ****? IMO, nobody with any sense who isn't forced to fly
> (or drive, take a train, bus, taxi, bicycle or walk) into NJ would.
> And I imagine it would have to make exhorbitant prices for everything
> else besides avgas worth it.

Good point, but that also holds true for a good portion of the
northeast... Hell, it's not like you're going to find decent BBQ in NYC
-- they can't even pronounce "Houston" correctly...

[Frode Berg]

Yes, but according to the same web site, you yanks are averageing just below
$4 pr gallon.

7.42 per gallon is in the neighbourhood of our European prices. We would
love to see $4 as average!

:-)

Frode



"M" > skrev i melding
oups.com...
> The Airnav fuel report says the highest avgas price in the country
> right now is $7.42.
>
> http://www.airnav.com/fuel/report.html
>
> It didn't take long to find out where. Atlantic Aviation at Teterboro
> (http://www.airnav.com/airport/KTEB). $7.42 a gallon, that's
> breathtaking!
>

[Mxsmanic]

M writes:

> It didn't take long to find out where. Atlantic Aviation at Teterboro
> (http://www.airnav.com/airport/KTEB). $7.42 a gallon, that's
> breathtaking!

It is specially blended to minimize damage to apartments.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[FLAV8R[_1_]]

"Grumman-581" wrote in message ...
> Good point, but that also holds true for a good portion of the
> northeast... Hell, it's not like you're going to find decent BBQ in NYC --
> they can't even pronounce "Houston" correctly...

I have traveled the throughout most of the US and quite a bit throughout
Europe.
If ever I found narrow minded individuals that make statements like the
one above, it always seems to come from the uneducated, less worldly
(less traveled) pinheads that think there is nothing better than their home
state that they rarely depart from.

Your statement that us New Yorkers can't pronounce the word Houston
is ironic considering that most Texans can't even pronounce the name
of your own state correctly. It is Te-Has not Tex-Ass.
It is Am-Ma-Ree-Yoo not Am-Maa-Rill-Oh.

I think that we live in a country so beautiful because of all its diverse
landscape. From sea to sea and north to south I have seen most of it
and have found something worth seeing and visiting in every state.

I often tell my daughter that if I ever won the lottery I would never
work again because I wouldn't have the time.
I wouldn't have the time because I would love to fly to every part
of our country, every town that had a runway I would try and visit.
And when I was done doing that I would do the same with the rest
of the world.

Ok, its time for me to get off the soapbox.

And New York and Jersey may not have great BBQ but both have
great Italian food.

David - New Yorker by birth - former resident of New York, New Jersey,
Texas, California, Florida, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Alabama, DC.
Currently residing in beautiful South Carolina right next to breathtaking
North Carolina.

[Ron Lee]

"gpsman" > wrote:

>"I don't think it would be wise practice to count on airnav.com as a
>source of reliable and current information."

Personally I use airnav often and find it to be very beneficial.

Ron Lee

[Gig 601XL Builder]

More to the point M, do you have a better and as convenient location to
check Avgas prices around the county?

"M" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Airnav.com fuel prices come from user input. And your point is that
> the fuel price at Atlantic Aviation at TEB is not $7.42? That's
> possible, but what it is then?
>
> gpsman wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't think it would be wise practice to count on airnav.com as a
>> source of reliable and current information.
>> -----
>>
>> - gpsman
>

[Matt Barrow]

"gpsman" > wrote in message
oups.com...



[PLONK]

[Peter R.]

gpsman > wrote:

> "I don't think it would be wise practice to count on airnav.com as a
> source of reliable and current information."
>
> With my new information I would add; *especially* if their fuel prices
> are derived from "user input".

I have used Airnav for two cross country trips, one in 2005 from NY to
California, up to Colorado, and back to NY, and one in 2006 from NY to
Colorado and back.

Both times all fuel stops that I had chosen from Airnav were priced exactly
as Airnav user input stated them to be.

--------- insert flame here ------------------

--
Peter

[Marco Leon]

Grumman-581 wrote:
>
> Good point, but that also holds true for a good portion of the
> northeast... Hell, it's not like you're going to find decent BBQ in NYC
> -- they can't even pronounce "Houston" correctly...

I have to chuckle when someone claims that they can't find decent food
in NYC. Clearly not from personal experience even if it is in jest.
Have you ever been to Virgil's or Daisy May's? NYC has some of the best
eating in the world, you just need to know where to look. Seeking out
good eats is a city-wide pasttime here.

Now "pricing" is a whole 'nother matter...

Marco

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"M" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> The Airnav fuel report says the highest avgas price in the country
> right now is $7.42.

Bend over, grab your ankles...

> It didn't take long to find out where. Atlantic Aviation at Teterboro
> (http://www.airnav.com/airport/KTEB). $7.42 a gallon, that's
> breathtaking!

Not surprising... Figured it had to be up there in the NE somewhere... Hell,
they even charge landing fees up that away -- something pretty much unheard
of down here in the civilized South...

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Marco Leon" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> I have to chuckle when someone claims that they can't find decent food
> in NYC. Clearly not from personal experience even if it is in jest.
> Have you ever been to Virgil's or Daisy May's? NYC has some of the best
> eating in the world, you just need to know where to look. Seeking out
> good eats is a city-wide pasttime here.

Sorry, but you can't get *real* BBQ outside of Texas... The best that you
can hope for is that the imitation might not be completely unpalateable...
BBQ is a religon in Texas... We know *everything* about it and the rest of
the country knows ****... Don't believe me? Well, just ask us...

[NW_Pilot]

You, know who holds the world record on price ??? well the highest I have
ever seen!!

Nasasuraq Greenland about $13.00 a Gallon for 100LL last time I was there.


"M" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> The Airnav fuel report says the highest avgas price in the country
> right now is $7.42.
>
> http://www.airnav.com/fuel/report.html
>
> It didn't take long to find out where. Atlantic Aviation at Teterboro
> (http://www.airnav.com/airport/KTEB). $7.42 a gallon, that's
> breathtaking!
>

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Marco Leon" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Grumman-581 wrote:
>>
>> Good point, but that also holds true for a good portion of the
>> northeast... Hell, it's not like you're going to find decent BBQ in NYC
>> -- they can't even pronounce "Houston" correctly...
>
> I have to chuckle when someone claims that they can't find decent food
> in NYC. Clearly not from personal experience even if it is in jest.
> Have you ever been to Virgil's or Daisy May's? NYC has some of the best
> eating in the world, you just need to know where to look. Seeking out
> good eats is a city-wide pasttime here.
>
> Now "pricing" is a whole 'nother matter...
>


You poor lose soul. He wasn't talking about food. There is plenty of great
food in NYC. He was talking about BBQ. BBQ is a religious talisman that can
only be properly prepared within the borders of Texas. You could take the
best BBQ priest and take him to NYC with a cow and all his tools and magical
items and while the output might taste good it still wouldn't be BBQ. BBQ is
the reason we allow Texas to even be in the United States. BBQ is made from
cow not pig. BBQ is the reason I live in Arkansas (exactly 1 hour and 47
minutes from real BBQ) and not Texas, because if I lived in Texas it is all
that I would eat. BBQ is the reason I'm building an airplane so I can get to
BBQ quicker without having it too close by. BBQ is well BBQ.

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> You poor lose soul. He wasn't talking about food. There is plenty of great
> food in NYC.

Ahhh, but is it good enough to make it worth having to associate with
New Yorkers?

> He was talking about BBQ. BBQ is a religious talisman that can
> only be properly prepared within the borders of Texas.

Finally! Someone who truly understands!

I was down in Miami quite a few years ago and one of the locals
suggested a particular restaurant as having the best BBQ in town...
Their idea of BBQ was to have the meat cooked in an electric oven and
then have a BBQ sauce poured over it prior to serving... That's not BBQ,
that's just a roast with sauce on it...

Of course, besides that point, Florida seems to think that *pig* is
BBQ... As every Texan knows, *real* BBQ is not just *beef*, but beef
*brisket*...

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
...
> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>> You poor lose soul. He wasn't talking about food. There is plenty of
>> great food in NYC.
>
> Ahhh, but is it good enough to make it worth having to associate with New
> Yorkers?

Just barely.

>
>> He was talking about BBQ. BBQ is a religious talisman that can only be
>> properly prepared within the borders of Texas.
>
> Finally! Someone who truly understands!
>
> I was down in Miami quite a few years ago and one of the locals suggested
> a particular restaurant as having the best BBQ in town... Their idea of
> BBQ was to have the meat cooked in an electric oven and then have a BBQ
> sauce poured over it prior to serving... That's not BBQ, that's just a
> roast with sauce on it...
>
> Of course, besides that point, Florida seems to think that *pig* is BBQ...
> As every Texan knows, *real* BBQ is not just *beef*, but beef *brisket*...

What your ate was Bar-B-Q, Bar-B-Que or the worst which is barbeque. While
some of these can taste OK or even good they aren't BBQ.

[Ross Richardson[_2_]]

Grumman-581 wrote:
> "Marco Leon" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
>>I have to chuckle when someone claims that they can't find decent food
>>in NYC. Clearly not from personal experience even if it is in jest.
>>Have you ever been to Virgil's or Daisy May's? NYC has some of the best
>>eating in the world, you just need to know where to look. Seeking out
>>good eats is a city-wide pasttime here.
>
>
> Sorry, but you can't get *real* BBQ outside of Texas... The best that you
> can hope for is that the imitation might not be completely unpalateable...
> BBQ is a religon in Texas... We know *everything* about it and the rest of
> the country knows ****... Don't believe me? Well, just ask us...
>
>
OK, Grumman-581, I live in Texas (30 years now) and I still think the
best BBQ is in Kansas City, Mo. Wonderful stuff. I used to live there
30+ years ago. But, we are going OT now.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Marco Leon]

NW_Pilot wrote:
> You, know who holds the world record on price ??? well the highest I have
> ever seen!!
>
> Nasasuraq Greenland about $13.00 a Gallon for 100LL last time I was there.

That's because they got you ferry pilots by the balls and the law of
supply and demand. That law is at work in TEB as well since it's the
closest GA airport to Manhattan.

Marco

[Marco Leon]

Grumman-581 wrote:
>
> Ahhh, but is it good enough to make it worth having to associate with
> New Yorkers?

Let me guess, you also think that NYC is riddled with crime as well and
you'd probably wear your backpack in the front. Probably from 'dem
fancy holleewood movies... :)

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

Ross Richardson wrote:
> OK, Grumman-581, I live in Texas (30 years now) and I still think the
> best BBQ is in Kansas City, Mo. Wonderful stuff. I used to live there
> 30+ years ago.

I suspect that your time there corrupted your taste buds...

Located at SWI, huh? $2.62 100LL... Damn, I with my local airport had
100LL for that...

--
N581 -- AA5A -- AXH

[.Blueskies.]

"Ross Richardson" > wrote in message ...
: Grumman-581 wrote:
: > "Marco Leon" > wrote in message
: > ups.com...
: >
: >>I have to chuckle when someone claims that they can't find decent food
: >>in NYC. Clearly not from personal experience even if it is in jest.
: >>Have you ever been to Virgil's or Daisy May's? NYC has some of the best
: >>eating in the world, you just need to know where to look. Seeking out
: >>good eats is a city-wide pasttime here.
: >
: >
: > Sorry, but you can't get *real* BBQ outside of Texas... The best that you
: > can hope for is that the imitation might not be completely unpalateable...
: > BBQ is a religon in Texas... We know *everything* about it and the rest of
: > the country knows ****... Don't believe me? Well, just ask us...
: >
: >
: OK, Grumman-581, I live in Texas (30 years now) and I still think the
: best BBQ is in Kansas City, Mo. Wonderful stuff. I used to live there
: 30+ years ago. But, we are going OT now.
:
: --
:

OK, OT for sure, but the best BBQ is the Santa Maria BBQ (California if you're wondering!)

;-)

[.Blueskies.]

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message ...
:...
: Of course, besides that point, Florida seems to think that *pig* is
: BBQ... As every Texan knows, *real* BBQ is not just *beef*, but beef
: *brisket*...


No, not brisket (yes good) but TriTip (excellent!)

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

Marco Leon wrote:
> That's because they got you ferry pilots by the balls and the law of
> supply and demand. That law is at work in TEB as well since it's the
> closest GA airport to Manhattan.

Nawh, Flushing is...

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

Marco Leon wrote:
> Let me guess, you also think that NYC is riddled with crime as well and
> you'd probably wear your backpack in the front.

Nawh, the problem with NYC is that it is full of New Yorkers...

Backpacks go on the back, fanny packs (with a .45, of course) go on the
front...

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

..Blueskies. wrote:
> OK, OT for sure, but the best BBQ is the Santa Maria BBQ (California if you're wondering!)

You really should issue keyboard-alerts before saying things like
that... California, BBQ? ROTFLMAO...

[Jose[_1_]]

> Nawh, Flushing is...

.... gone, for all intents and purposes.

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

Jose wrote:
> ... gone, for all intents and purposes.

Well, let's just say that it is more appropriate for amphibs these
days... <evil-grin>

[Judah]

"M" > wrote in news:1162443458.622122.233260
@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> The Airnav fuel report says the highest avgas price in the country
> right now is $7.42.
>
> http://www.airnav.com/fuel/report.html
>
> It didn't take long to find out where. Atlantic Aviation at Teterboro
> (http://www.airnav.com/airport/KTEB). $7.42 a gallon, that's
> breathtaking!
>

What's funny is that most of the people from this area will drive into NJ to
get gas for their car because it's typically as much as $.25 cheaper per
gallon... And full service, no less!

[Judah]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in
:

> You poor lose soul. He wasn't talking about food. There is plenty of
> great food in NYC. He was talking about BBQ. BBQ is a religious talisman
> that can only be properly prepared within the borders of Texas. You
> could take the best BBQ priest and take him to NYC with a cow and all
> his tools and magical items and while the output might taste good it
> still wouldn't be BBQ. BBQ is the reason we allow Texas to even be in
> the United States. BBQ is made from cow not pig. BBQ is the reason I
> live in Arkansas (exactly 1 hour and 47 minutes from real BBQ) and not
> Texas, because if I lived in Texas it is all that I would eat. BBQ is
> the reason I'm building an airplane so I can get to BBQ quicker without
> having it too close by. BBQ is well BBQ.

I had BBQ in Arkansas a few times. It was pretty darn good. As a Yank from
NY, though, I needed a translator.

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

Marco Leon wrote:
> Grumman-581 wrote:
>> Ahhh, but is it good enough to make it worth having to associate with
>> New Yorkers?
>
> Let me guess, you also think that NYC is riddled with crime as well and
> you'd probably wear your backpack in the front. Probably from 'dem
> fancy holleewood movies... :)

Every time I visit "The City", I come home with whiplash! I've been to
lots of places in the world that have lots of beautiful women, but NYC
has got to be the tops. <G>

If you can't find a fantastic place (many with the owner cooking) to eat
in the strip from Philly to Boston within 50 miles of the Atlantic
Ocean, you haven't looked!

It's an expensive place, for sure... But! <G>

[Ross Richardson[_2_]]

Grumman-581 wrote:
> Ross Richardson wrote:
>
>> OK, Grumman-581, I live in Texas (30 years now) and I still think the
>> best BBQ is in Kansas City, Mo. Wonderful stuff. I used to live there
>> 30+ years ago.
>
>
> I suspect that your time there corrupted your taste buds...
>
> Located at SWI, huh? $2.62 100LL... Damn, I with my local airport had
> 100LL for that...
>
Yes, we do enjoy lower fuel prices and that is the plan. Next year we
are planning to install a larger tank to accept a full truck load and
not have to pay slit loads. Also, move the pump to the ramp and allow
for two systems. Sometimes there can be 6 to 8 planes waiting for fuel.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Ross Richardson[_2_]]

Grumman-581 wrote:

> .Blueskies. wrote:
>
>> OK, OT for sure, but the best BBQ is the Santa Maria BBQ (California
>> if you're wondering!)
>
>
> You really should issue keyboard-alerts before saying things like
> that... California, BBQ? ROTFLMAO...

I agree, I thought CA (where I was hatched) was wine and sushi.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[[email protected]]

Since that $100 hamburger dude basically shat upon the entire general
aviation community who contributed data to him for so many years, how
many folks here wished that Paul would add a search feature to AirNav
to find airports with restaurants on-field or within walking distance,
with user comments and ratings for those eating establishments?

[Marco Leon]

Grumman-581 wrote:
> Backpacks go on the back, fanny packs (with a .45, of course) go on the
> front...

Ha! Now THAT's stealth. I'd never think anyone wearing one of those
would be carrying.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Marco Leon" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Grumman-581 wrote:
>> Backpacks go on the back, fanny packs (with a .45, of course) go on the
>> front...
>
> Ha! Now THAT's stealth. I'd never think anyone wearing one of those
> would be carrying.
>

Check out this Google
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-34,GGLJ:en&q=Fanny+Pack+holster

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

Marco Leon wrote:
> Ha! Now THAT's stealth. I'd never think anyone wearing one of those
> would be carrying.

It's not a question of *whether* I'm carrying, but *how many*...

If it makes the crook reconsider and go after an easier target, great...
The *one* time that I was ever shot in an attempted robbery, I was not
carrying at the time... Yeah, I know -- not a large data set from a
statistical point of view...

[M[_1_]]

I already made one:

http://www.chouby.com/apps/100dollarhamburger.html

Needs updates, of course. Send the updates myway.


wrote:
> Since that $100 hamburger dude basically shat upon the entire general
> aviation community who contributed data to him for so many years, how
> many folks here wished that Paul would add a search feature to AirNav
> to find airports with restaurants on-field or within walking distance,
> with user comments and ratings for those eating establishments?

[Gig 601XL Builder]

What it needs is the names of restaurants and some information about them.


"M" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>I already made one:
>
> http://www.chouby.com/apps/100dollarhamburger.html
>
> Needs updates, of course. Send the updates myway.
>
>
> wrote:
>> Since that $100 hamburger dude basically shat upon the entire general
>> aviation community who contributed data to him for so many years, how
>> many folks here wished that Paul would add a search feature to AirNav
>> to find airports with restaurants on-field or within walking distance,
>> with user comments and ratings for those eating establishments?
>

[Mike[_11_]]

Grumman-581 wrote:
> "Marco Leon" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> I have to chuckle when someone claims that they can't find decent food
>> in NYC. Clearly not from personal experience even if it is in jest.
>> Have you ever been to Virgil's or Daisy May's? NYC has some of the best
>> eating in the world, you just need to know where to look. Seeking out
>> good eats is a city-wide pasttime here.
>
> Sorry, but you can't get *real* BBQ outside of Texas... The best that you
> can hope for is that the imitation might not be completely unpalateable...
> BBQ is a religon in Texas... We know *everything* about it and the rest of
> the country knows ****... Don't believe me? Well, just ask us...
>
>
I heard of a really great BBQ place in Texas, and I probably partially
agree with you. But, I had great BBQ at several places in Kansas. What
exactly is the definition of "*real*?" The definition varies with
demographic. Btw, NYC does have a Texas BBQ restaurant and it has pretty
damn good BBQ. Sure beats traveling to Texas.

--
Mike

[.Blueskies.]

"Ross Richardson" > wrote in message ...
: Grumman-581 wrote:
:
: > .Blueskies. wrote:
: >
: >> OK, OT for sure, but the best BBQ is the Santa Maria BBQ (California
: >> if you're wondering!)
: >
: >
: > You really should issue keyboard-alerts before saying things like
: > that... California, BBQ? ROTFLMAO...
:
: I agree, I thought CA (where I was hatched) was wine and sushi.
:
: --
:
: Regards, Ross
: C-172F 180HP
: KSWI

You need to go down main street in Santa Maria. I know, it just doesn't make sense, but it is there and it is good.
Central coast...away from the so cal nuts and fruits and in the land of the ranchers...

[xxx]

FLAV8R wrote:

>
> I have traveled the throughout most of the US and quite a bit throughout
> Europe.
> If ever I found narrow minded individuals that make statements like the
> one above, it always seems to come from the uneducated, less worldly
> (less traveled) pinheads that think there is nothing better than their home
> state that they rarely depart from.

And comments like the above typically come from ever-so-enlightened
souls who believe themselves to be broad-minded and sophisticated but
in fact simply bought discounted, non-TSO'd senses of humor. If you did
pay full price for yours, you really should return it for a refund.

>
> Your statement that us New Yorkers can't pronounce the word Houston
> is ironic considering that most Texans can't even pronounce the name
> of your own state correctly. It is Te-Has not Tex-Ass.

It's neither, you stupid arrogant yankee.

> It is Am-Ma-Ree-Yoo not Am-Maa-Rill-Oh.

Wrong again, yankee. What ever posessed you to think that you know how
anything at all in Texas is "correctly" pronounced? A bit
pseudo-Spanish phonetics is hardly a sign of wisdom.

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

Mike wrote:
> What exactly is the definition of "*real*?" The definition varies with
> demographic.

But in demographic, the only authorities for the definition are Texan...
Those foreigners like to think that they can call what they do BBQ,
but it's not... Of course it's one of those primal laws of nature anyway
-- you just can't make *real* BBQ outside of Texas...

[.Blueskies.]

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message ...
: Mike wrote:
: > What exactly is the definition of "*real*?" The definition varies with
: > demographic.
:
: But in demographic, the only authorities for the definition are Texan...
: Those foreigners like to think that they can call what they do BBQ,
: but it's not... Of course it's one of those primal laws of nature anyway
: -- you just can't make *real* BBQ outside of Texas...


Poor disillusioned person...Probably thinks that is the biggest state, too....


;-)

[Skywise]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in
:

> There are many local taxes added in NJ.

Like the, "we think you're too stupid to pump your own gas
so you have to pay for some unejamakated idiot to pump it
for you" tax?

Brian
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[Judah]

Skywise > wrote in
:

> "Jim Macklin" > wrote in
> :
>
>> There are many local taxes added in NJ.
>
> Like the, "we think you're too stupid to pump your own gas
> so you have to pay for some unejamakated idiot to pump it
> for you" tax?
>
> Brian

And yet, their gas prices are STILL lowest in the area!

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

".Blueskies." > wrote in message
...
> Poor disillusioned person...Probably thinks that is the biggest state,
too....

Permafrost doesn't count...

[Scott Skylane]

Grumman-581 wrote:

>
> Permafrost doesn't count...
>
>
Baloney! Just be glad we don't divide Alaska in two. Then your
beloved Texas would be the *third* largest state in the union!

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

[Ross Richardson[_2_]]

Scott Skylane wrote:

> Grumman-581 wrote:
>
>>
>> Permafrost doesn't count...
>>
>>
> Baloney! Just be glad we don't divide Alaska in two. Then your
> beloved Texas would be the *third* largest state in the union!
>
> Happy Flying!
> Scott Skylane
I have heard that and what would happen if Colorado were flattened?

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
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[Newps]

Ross Richardson wrote:

>
> I have heard that and what would happen if Colorado were flattened?




It would be Nebraska.

[Morgans[_2_]]

>> I have heard that and what would happen if Colorado were flattened?
>
> It would be Nebraska.

Or worse, Iowa!
--
Jim in NC

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Scott Skylane" > wrote in message
...
> Baloney! Just be glad we don't divide Alaska in two. Then your
> beloved Texas would be the *third* largest state in the union!

Sorry, Alaska doesn't count... Hell, it's only about 1/9th the size of the
Houston metropolitan area... Hell, that's not a state, that's a suburb...
Still, I stand by my original proposition -- frozen ground don't count...

[Jim Logajan]

"Grumman-581" > wrote:
> "Scott Skylane" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Baloney! Just be glad we don't divide Alaska in two. Then your
>> beloved Texas would be the *third* largest state in the union!
>
> Sorry, Alaska doesn't count... Hell, it's only about 1/9th the size of
> the Houston metropolitan area... Hell, that's not a state, that's a
> suburb... Still, I stand by my original proposition -- frozen ground
> don't count...

Oooo - good old fashioned all-around-fun region bashing! :-)

Anyhoo - looks like Texas has yet _another_ reason to feel inferior:
Houston is smaller than Sitka, Juneau, and Anchorage, Alaska. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_surface_area

(I've visited Sitka and Anchorage, but never Houston. Alaska is a fantastic
and memorable place to visit, while I can't think of anything memorable
about my short visit to Fort Worth, Texas.)

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> Anyhoo - looks like Texas has yet _another_ reason to feel inferior:
> Houston is smaller than Sitka, Juneau, and Anchorage, Alaska. See:

Ahhh, but those areas have a single city making up the entire metropolitan
area... Houston has various smaller entities that make it up... According to
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/metro05.prn, we're at 7,706.7
sq-miles...

> (I've visited Sitka and Anchorage, but never Houston.

I've visited Sitka and Anchorage also... Nothing memorable... They do have
more right-thinking gun laws there than here though... Probably because they
never had to throw off the yoke of Yankee repression like we have after the
War of Northern Aggression...

> while I can't think of anything memorable
> about my short visit to Fort Worth, Texas.

Well, that was probably because you spent 3 hours just driving around DFW
trying to get out of there... Yeah, it's a big airport, but most of us
around here can manage it in less than 2 hours... ****in' tourists -- always
driving slow...

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

Jim Logajan wrote:
>
> (I've visited Sitka and Anchorage, but never Houston. Alaska is a fantastic
> and memorable place to visit...

I can think of few places more beautiful than Alaska. I was lucky
enough to be in Denali Park with no phone,, and no TV, in the middle of
a July fireweed bloom. WOW!

I've also been to many places in Texas... <G>

[.Blueskies.]

"B A R R Y" > wrote in message m...
: Jim Logajan wrote:
: >
: > (I've visited Sitka and Anchorage, but never Houston. Alaska is a fantastic
: > and memorable place to visit...
:
: I can think of few places more beautiful than Alaska. I was lucky
: enough to be in Denali Park with no phone,, and no TV, in the middle of
: a July fireweed bloom. WOW!
:
: I've also been to many places in Texas... <G>


I like the sales tax in Alaska...