$100 hamburger radius

[Stubby]

2 McD selections at $4 each plus 2 "drinks" at $1 each leaves $90 for
the airplane. Assume it is all gas at $3/gal. So that is 30 gal or 15
gal out and 15 back. At 10 gph, we have to get the hamburgers within a
1.5 hr radius. With lots of assumptions, mostly 100 kts, we must get
the burgers within 150 nm.

Assuming there is an McD next to each and every airport, out selection
will be limited by how many airports there are within 150 nm of home.
There are quite a few in New England, but what about the mid west? Jay?

[vincent p. norris]

>2 McD selections at $4 each plus 2 "drinks" at $1 each leaves $90 for
>the airplane. Assume it is all gas at $3/gal. So that is 30 gal or 15
>gal out and 15 back. At 10 gph, we have to get the hamburgers within a
>1.5 hr radius. With lots of assumptions, mostly 100 kts, we must get
>the burgers within 150 nm.

Your only cost of flying is gas? Untill the recent spike in gas
prices, our club experience has been that gas is only about half the
total cost of flying.

vince norris

[Kingfish]

Stubby wrote:

<snip aviation/burger relationship analysis>

> Assuming there is an McD next to each and every airport, out selection
> will be limited by how many airports there are within 150 nm of home.
> There are quite a few in New England, but what about the mid west? Jay?

Thankfully there is a Burger King & Wendy's right down the street from
Hyannis/Barnstable airport on Cape Cod. Although, if that's what you're
after you could save the $$ and just drive down the street for one. Not
exactly haute cuisine were talking here...

[Thomas Borchert]

Stubby,

I think you're taking this thing too literally. Going to McD after a
nice flight must be the lowest low point you could possibly hit. Go to
any other restaurant, but not McD.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Jay Honeck]

> I think you're taking this thing too literally. Going to McD after a
> nice flight must be the lowest low point you could possibly hit. Go to
> any other restaurant, but not McD.

Agreed. I've gone on hundreds of $100 hamburger flights, and have
NEVER stooped to McDonalds, even when the kids were little and they
spotted an indoor playground. There is simply no way I'm going to
spoil a flight by eating at a chain restaurant.

We always search out the "mom & pop" non-chain restaurants, and are
rarely disappointed. They are always your best value, offer the most
local flavor, and have the best food.

And, luckily, there are plenty of choices in the Midwest for just such
fare. Almost every airport has one nearby -- and, if they don't,
there's always a courtesy car.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Thomas Borchert]

Jay,

> We always search out the "mom & pop" non-chain restaurants, and are
> rarely disappointed. They are always your best value, offer the most
> local flavor, and have the best food.
>

Absolutely. I've done the same. It takes just a little research and
you'll always find a place nearby, even if not every field has a
restaurant.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Jay Honeck]

> > We always search out the "mom & pop" non-chain restaurants, and are
> > rarely disappointed. They are always your best value, offer the most
> > local flavor, and have the best food.
> >
>
> Absolutely. I've done the same. It takes just a little research and
> you'll always find a place nearby, even if not every field has a
> restaurant.

The same search technique works for hotels, by the way. Avoid chains,
and you'll find the real gems.

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Thomas Borchert]

Jay,

> The same search technique works for hotels, by the way. Avoid chains,
> and you'll find the real gems.
>

I wonder how you would know ;-)

But I agree.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Peter Duniho]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> I think you're taking this thing too literally. Going to McD after a
>> nice flight must be the lowest low point you could possibly hit. Go to
>> any other restaurant, but not McD.
>
> Agreed. I've gone on hundreds of $100 hamburger flights, and have
> NEVER stooped to McDonalds, even when the kids were little and they
> spotted an indoor playground. There is simply no way I'm going to
> spoil a flight by eating at a chain restaurant.
>
> We always search out the "mom & pop" non-chain restaurants, and are
> rarely disappointed. They are always your best value, offer the most
> local flavor, and have the best food.

Not that I've ever found a place after flying somewhere that was worse than
the meal I'd be able to get at McDonald's, but...

IMHO even if that did somehow happen, I'd still agree that the
non-McDonald's option is better, even if the food isn't as good. After all,
what's the point of going to all the trouble to fly somewhere, only to eat
the exact same food you can get in your own back yard? To me, a major part
of flying is the broad experiences one can have...whether they are better or
worse than one might otherwise have isn't quite as important as the fact
that they are *different*.

I still recall the stop in Utah many years ago, when we ate at the only
restaurant still serving lunch at the late hour we showed up (2 or 3pm, if I
recall correctly). It was a place that served both Chinese food and
American diner fare. I wouldn't say they were haute cuisine, but they did a
perfectly passable job on both, and was much more fun to eat there than it
would've been at a chain. :)

Pete

[Jose[_1_]]

> Not that I've ever found a place after flying somewhere that was worse than
> the meal I'd be able to get at McDonald's, but...

I flew out to Seattle (RNT) to visit a friend, and we went to a really
high end steakhouse of great repute. The ambiance was good but the
actual food was somewhat disappointing. The next day we were to fly to
Portland but thunderstorms enroute stopped us. We ended up back in
Renton to wait it out (and ultimately drove). While waiting, we went to
a nearby Dennys and had a steak which easily rivaled the best steaks
I've ever had, and way surpassed the steakhouse in Seattle. I was floored.

Who'd'a'thunkit?

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
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[Peter Duniho]

"Jose" > wrote in message
...
> [...] While waiting, we went to a nearby Dennys and had a steak which
> easily rivaled the best steaks I've ever had, and way surpassed the
> steakhouse in Seattle. I was floored.
>
> Who'd'a'thunkit?

Not me. Denny's is the last place I think of when I think "good food".

I don't know what steakhouse you went to, but I don't know of any "high end
steakhouse of great repute" in Renton. We've got Ruth's Chris in Bellevue,
and of course several excellent independents (and another Ruth's Chris) in
downtown Seattle and scattered about elsewhere. Mostly people around here
seem to think that The Keg or Black Angus count for "good steaks", but they
are chains and qualify as "fair to middlin'" at best, IMHO.

I'd say your experience was a fluke...I certainly wouldn't count on it. But
it does highlight the my point that it's always worth trying something
different. :)

Pete

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Jose" > wrote in message
...
>> Not that I've ever found a place after flying somewhere that was worse
>> than the meal I'd be able to get at McDonald's, but...
>
> I flew out to Seattle (RNT) to visit a friend, and we went to a really
> high end steakhouse of great repute. The ambiance was good but the actual
> food was somewhat disappointing. The next day we were to fly to Portland
> but thunderstorms enroute stopped us. We ended up back in Renton to wait
> it out (and ultimately drove). While waiting, we went to a nearby Dennys
> and had a steak which easily rivaled the best steaks I've ever had, and
> way surpassed the steakhouse in Seattle. I was floored.
>
> Who'd'a'thunkit?
>
> Jose

Please Jose tell us the name of the Steakhouse so I never make the mistake
of going there.

[Jose[_1_]]

> Please Jose tell us the name of the Steakhouse so I never make the mistake
> of going there.

Daniel's Broiler, in Bellevue. It wasn't bad, it just didn't live up
(in food quality) to the price and ambience. It could have just been an
off day.

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Kingfish]

Peter Duniho wrote:
>
> IMHO even if that did somehow happen, I'd still agree that the
> non-McDonald's option is better, even if the food isn't as good. After all,
> what's the point of going to all the trouble to fly somewhere, only to eat
> the exact same food you can get in your own back yard?

Hmmm... my sentiments exactly. See above...

It was a place that served both Chinese food and
> American diner fare. I wouldn't say they were haute cuisine, but they did a
> perfectly passable job on both,

Now that's downright creepy... POST THIEF!!! : )

[Peter Duniho]

"Jose" > wrote in message
. ..
>> Please Jose tell us the name of the Steakhouse so I never make the
>> mistake of going there.
>
> Daniel's Broiler, in Bellevue. It wasn't bad, it just didn't live up (in
> food quality) to the price and ambience. It could have just been an off
> day.

Nope...you probably had a typical experience. They are overrated IMHO,
though I am still surprised that you got a *better* meal at Denny's. They
should've been able to do better than *that*.

At Daniel's you're paying for the ambiance itself, which includes dining on
the 20th-something floor in downtown Bellevue. Next time, go to Spazzo's.
They've got a better view anyway (west, toward Seattle) and the food is more
interesting (and usually better).

Pete

[Peter Duniho]

"Kingfish" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> IMHO even if that did somehow happen, I'd still agree that the
>> non-McDonald's option is better, even if the food isn't as good. After
>> all,
>> what's the point of going to all the trouble to fly somewhere, only to
>> eat
>> the exact same food you can get in your own back yard?
>
> Hmmm... my sentiments exactly. See above...

True, I guess I did unconsciously wind up borrowing from your previous post
a bit.

> It was a place that served both Chinese food and
>> American diner fare. I wouldn't say they were haute cuisine, but they
>> did a
>> perfectly passable job on both,
>
> Now that's downright creepy... POST THIEF!!! : )

But not here. After all, your reference to "haute cuisine" was in terms of
"why bother flying, since it's not that" while mine was "it doesn't need to
be that for flying to that to be fun". Of course, we were talking about
different kinds of restaurants, and so IMHO both statements were on the
mark. But I hope I'm not causing a degree of "creep factor" here. :)

Pete

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
"Peter Duniho" > wrote:

> IMHO even if that did somehow happen, I'd still agree that the
> non-McDonald's option is better, even if the food isn't as good. After all,
> what's the point of going to all the trouble to fly somewhere, only to eat
> the exact same food you can get in your own back yard?

Line from "Memphis Belle": "it's comforting"

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Jose[_1_]]

> At Daniel's you're paying for the ambiance itself, which includes dining on
> the 20th-something floor in downtown Bellevue.

And the ambiance was superb (though I would have preferred a window
seat, the skyline at sunset was quite nice).

> Next time, go to Spazzo's.
> They've got a better view anyway (west, toward Seattle) and the food is more
> interesting (and usually better).

I'll keep that in mind. I didn't get to pick this time.

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
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[Peter Duniho]

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> Line from "Memphis Belle": "it's comforting"

Perhaps to some people. I can't say that I would use the word "comforting"
to describe any of the fast food chains (and that's even though I do on
occasion eat at them, and even enjoy the food, as much as anyone can enjoy
"food" that has practically no redeeming nutritional value :) ).

And of course, flying somewhere for the purpose of eating food that's
"comforting" seems to be missing the point, to me at least.

Pete

[Jose[_1_]]

> And of course, flying somewhere for the purpose of eating food that's
> "comforting" seems to be missing the point, to me at least.

I suppose it depends on how good your flying is. :)

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Thomas Borchert]

Jose,

When in Seattle, go to Salty's on Alki. Good seafood, great view, and
sometimes a Boeing Stratoliner will land right in front of you ;-)

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Kingfish]

Peter Duniho wrote:
> > Now that's downright creepy... POST THIEF!!! : )
>
> But not here. After all, your reference to "haute cuisine" was in terms of
> "why bother flying, since it's not that" while mine was "it doesn't need to
> be that for flying to that to be fun". Of course, we were talking about
> different kinds of restaurants, and so IMHO both statements were on the
> mark. But I hope I'm not causing a degree of "creep factor" here. :)
>

Not at all Pete, I'm just being goofy (hence the smiley)

[JSBOUGHER]

I'm always amazed at what becomes "comfortable" when I get far enough
out of my comfort zone for a prolonged duration. It was my first trip
to China ... 2 weeks of supplier and potential acquisition visits with
lunch after dinner after lunch after dinner of traditional Chinese
cuisine. After 2 weeks of the round table table with duck tongue,
shark fin, snake, etc all served by my host with HIS chop sticks and
HACKING cough, I was about Chinesed out. I still remember how
amazingly wonderful that Big Mac was ... ahhh, home. That said, I
always joke that I've had McDonalds 4 times in the last 10 years, all
overseas and 3 out of 4 were in China. There is a time and place for
"comfort food" regardless of nutritional content.
Jeff

Peter Duniho wrote:
> "Bob Noel" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Line from "Memphis Belle": "it's comforting"
>
> Perhaps to some people. I can't say that I would use the word "comforting"
> to describe any of the fast food chains (and that's even though I do on
> occasion eat at them, and even enjoy the food, as much as anyone can enjoy
> "food" that has practically no redeeming nutritional value :) ).
>
> And of course, flying somewhere for the purpose of eating food that's
> "comforting" seems to be missing the point, to me at least.
>
> Pete

[Jay Honeck]

> I'm always amazed at what becomes "comfortable" when I get far enough
> out of my comfort zone for a prolonged duration. It was my first trip
> to China ... 2 weeks of supplier and potential acquisition visits with
> lunch after dinner after lunch after dinner of traditional Chinese
> cuisine. After 2 weeks of the round table table with duck tongue,
> shark fin, snake, etc all served by my host with HIS chop sticks and
> HACKING cough, I was about Chinesed out.

Mary and I had a similar experience. After a week in Aruba (5 days
longer than it takes to see everything on that island, BTW), we were
pretty sick of sit-down meals which were quite excellent but horribly
over-priced. (You're a captive audience on an island, for sure...)
We were newlyweds, and not made of money.

One morning while driving our beater rent-a-wreck, much to our surprise
we spotted a greasy Macs, and made a bee-line for it. Their egg
McMuffins sure tasted good -- although eating them with french fries
was a bit odd. (Arubans didn't know what "hashed browns" were...yet.)

That was the last time I ate a McDonald's breakfast. The year was
1985. I don't miss it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave[_5_]]

I can relate to that. I took a tour of China 20 years ago - the type
where everything is arranged. I sure got tired of Chinese food day in
and day out (with your choice of orange soda or beer to drink).
Finally, in Shanghai I skipped the customary dinner, walked downtown,
found a restaurant, and ordered a steak. It was nothing to write home
about - but at least it was different! I don't recall seeing any
McDonald's at that time.

David Johnson

[601XL Builder]

Jose wrote:
>> Please Jose tell us the name of the Steakhouse so I never make the
>> mistake of going there.
>
> Daniel's Broiler, in Bellevue. It wasn't bad, it just didn't live up
> (in food quality) to the price and ambience. It could have just been an
> off day.


The meat quality alone from a good steakhouse should put it miles ahead
of Denny's.

[Jose[_1_]]

> The meat quality alone from a good steakhouse should put it miles ahead of Denny's.

Yep. Should. But should isn't is.

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"JSBOUGHER" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> I'm always amazed at what becomes "comfortable" when I get far enough
> out of my comfort zone for a prolonged duration. It was my first trip
> to China ... 2 weeks of supplier and potential acquisition visits with
> lunch after dinner after lunch after dinner of traditional Chinese
> cuisine. After 2 weeks of the round table table with duck tongue,
> shark fin, snake, etc all served by my host with HIS chop sticks and
> HACKING cough, I was about Chinesed out. I still remember how
> amazingly wonderful that Big Mac was ... ahhh, home. That said, I
> always joke that I've had McDonalds 4 times in the last 10 years, all
> overseas and 3 out of 4 were in China. There is a time and place for
> "comfort food" regardless of nutritional content.
> Jeff

When I was 13 I spent just shy of 3 months in Bahrain for the first time.
They have no Coke there only Pepsi. Nothing ever tasted better than the Coke
the flight attendant handed me when I got on the PanAm 747 heading back to
the US.

[Margy Natalie]

Thomas Borchert wrote:
> Jose,
>
> When in Seattle, go to Salty's on Alki. Good seafood, great view, and
> sometimes a Boeing Stratoliner will land right in front of you ;-)
>
NOT TRUE, it's tucked safely away. I check on it at least a few times a
week!

[Thomas Borchert]

Margy,

> NOT TRUE, it's tucked safely away.
>

Seattle, the restaurant or the plane? ;-)

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Margy Natalie]

Thomas Borchert wrote:
> Margy,
>
>
>>NOT TRUE, it's tucked safely away.
>>
>
>
> Seattle, the restaurant or the plane? ;-)
>
I was thinking the plane, but I guess it would go for Seattle as well,
although I never get to see Seattle.

Margy