What essentials do you always have on board?

[Mxsmanic]

What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
ground.

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[TxSrv]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
> every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
> personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
> ground.

I would tell you, but you'll dispute the relevance thereof. The
"law" literally requires nothing.

F--

[Gary Drescher]

"TxSrv" > wrote in message
. ..
> The "law" literally requires nothing.

Pilot certificate? Photo ID? Medical certificate? AFM/W&B? Logbook (for
students)?

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
> every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
> personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
> ground.

Me. I never leave the ground without me. A chart and wrist watch usually go
along for the ride too. But if it's someplace I've been to recently, the
chart probably won't get opened.

I hear tell that them there GPS things are handy, but I've never flown with
one.

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[Jim Macklin]

basic survival gear, a knife, fire starter, some water. In
the winter shelter.

A 45 automatic and 50 rounds or a shotgun.


See Canada laws on required equipment for flights in
wilderness. They require fishing equipment, a rifle [they
don't like handguns] and have a very extensive list.

http://www.equipped.com/ak_cnda.htm



"Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
. ..
| "TxSrv" > wrote in message
| . ..
| > The "law" literally requires nothing.
|
| Pilot certificate? Photo ID? Medical certificate? AFM/W&B?
Logbook (for
| students)?
|
|

[Jim Logajan]

Mxsmanic > wrote:
> What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
> every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
> personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
> ground.

By law I have to have a ticket to board. Otherwise I like to take a small
carry-on with reading material and essential toiletries.


;-)

[Jim Logajan]

Mxsmanic > wrote:
> What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
> every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
> personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
> ground.

One forty-five caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days’
concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing antibiotics,
morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills; one
miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible; one hundred dollars in
rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue
of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon stockings.

[Robert M. Gary]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> basic survival gear, a knife, fire starter, some water. In
> the winter shelter.
>
> A 45 automatic and 50 rounds or a shotgun.

What happens if you land somewhere in the city that requires a permit
to carry such items?

-Robert

[NW_Pilot]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Jim Macklin wrote:
>> basic survival gear, a knife, fire starter, some water. In
>> the winter shelter.
>>
>> A 45 automatic and 50 rounds or a shotgun.
>
> What happens if you land somewhere in the city that requires a permit
> to carry such items?
>
> -Robert
>

What and infringe on my right to bare arms??? than I don't want to be
there!!!

[john smith]

In article >,
Mxsmanic > wrote:

> What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
> every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
> personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
> ground.

Do a google search. This topic has been discussed several times in the
last five years.

[news.east.cox.net]

Slim Pickens, he was great!

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
>> every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
>> personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
>> ground.
>
> One forty-five caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days’
> concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing antibiotics,
> morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills;
> one
> miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible; one hundred dollars
> in
> rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue
> of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon stockings.

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
"Gary Drescher" > wrote:

> "TxSrv" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > The "law" literally requires nothing.
>
> Pilot certificate? Photo ID? Medical certificate? AFM/W&B? Logbook (for
> students)?

fuel?

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[Jim Logajan]

Bob Noel > wrote:
> In article >,
> "Gary Drescher" > wrote:
>
>> "TxSrv" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> > The "law" literally requires nothing.
>>
>> Pilot certificate? Photo ID? Medical certificate? AFM/W&B? Logbook (for
>> students)?
>
> fuel?

No fuel needed for a glider, right?
No Pilot certificate, photo ID, medical, AFM/W&B or logbook needed for
ultralight/microlight, right?

[Mxsmanic]

Jim Logajan writes:

> One forty-five caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days’
> concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing antibiotics,
> morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills; one
> miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible; one hundred dollars in
> rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue
> of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon stockings.

You could have a pretty good time in Dallas with that.

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[Mxsmanic]

john smith writes:

> Do a google search. This topic has been discussed several times in the
> last five years.

Well, time to discuss it again. You don't have to participate if you
don't want to.

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[Andrew Sarangan[_1_]]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
> every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
> personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
> ground.
>

Depends on the flight. A 500 mile flight in IMC requires different
things compared to a 20 mile hamburger run under VFR.

[Jim Logajan]

Mxsmanic > wrote:
> john smith writes:
>> Do a google search. This topic has been discussed several times in the
>> last five years.
>
> Well, time to discuss it again.

Have pity master!

[grovel]

[TxSrv]

Gary Drescher wrote:
> "TxSrv" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> The "law" literally requires nothing.
>
> Pilot certificate? Photo ID? Medical certificate? AFM/W&B? Logbook (for
> students)?

I know that; we all know that. I was referencing poster's
context of things useful to actual flight.

Fred F.

[Judah]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
> every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
> personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
> ground.

A bottle of Gatorade or something similar (wide-mouth prefered).

Much easier than having to land every time I have to pee.

[Ron Wanttaja]

Sturdy shoes, worn on one's feet.

Ron Wanttaja

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
Jim Logajan > wrote:

> >> Pilot certificate? Photo ID? Medical certificate? AFM/W&B? Logbook (for
> >> students)?
> >
> > fuel?
>
> No fuel needed for a glider, right?

I don't fly gliders

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[Jim Logajan]

Bob Noel > wrote:
> In article >,
> Jim Logajan > wrote:
>
>> >> Pilot certificate? Photo ID? Medical certificate? AFM/W&B? Logbook
>> >> (for students)?
>> >
>> > fuel?
>>
>> No fuel needed for a glider, right?
>
> I don't fly gliders

You will when the fuel runs out! ;-)

[Robert M. Gary]

NW_Pilot wrote:
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> What and infringe on my right to bare arms??? than I don't want to be
> there!!!

I think the supreme court recently took a look at that. They said there
was a spelling error in the constitution and what was intended was the
right to "Bear arms". Limbs from bears was what was intended.

-Robert

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 18:43:19 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
> wrote:

>
>Sturdy shoes, worn on one's feet.

You have to little faith in your airplane you plan on walking back?
>
>Ron Wanttaja
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 00:11:08 -0000, Jim Logajan >
wrote:

>Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
>> every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
>> personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
>> ground.
>
>One forty-five caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days’
>concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing antibiotics,
>morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills; one
>miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible; one hundred dollars in
>rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue
>of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon stockings.

What? No chocolate bars?


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger (K8RI)]

On 3 Nov 2006 17:59:17 -0800, "Andrew Sarangan" >
wrote:

>
>Mxsmanic wrote:
>> What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
>> every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
>> personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
>> ground.
>>
>
>Depends on the flight. A 500 mile flight in IMC requires different
>things compared to a 20 mile hamburger run under VFR.

Up here they'd be pretty much the same this time of year except you
might want more of what ever for the longer flight. You'd freeze to
death before getting out of the swamp five miles from home wearing
street clothes.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 02:27:47 GMT, Judah > wrote:

>Mxsmanic > wrote in
:
>
>> What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
>> every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
>> personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
>> ground.
>
>A bottle of Gatorade or something similar (wide-mouth prefered).
>
>Much easier than having to land every time I have to pee.

Good Lord! How many hours do you fly at a time. I limit the legs to
around five hours so that's never been a problem...and don't drink a
lot of what ever before starting out.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Blanche]

Mxsmanic > wrote:
>What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
>every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
>personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
>ground.

Cash.
Credit card.
Nail file or emery board (it's a gender thing)
Bottle of water.
Cell phone.
Telephone number of my attorney.
Extra jacket.
More cash.
Extra batteries for headset (ANR), GPS, handheld radio (fortunately,
they all use AA)

[Blanche]

Jim Logajan > wrote:
>Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
>> every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
>> personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
>> ground.
>
>One forty-five caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days’
>concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing antibiotics,
>morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills; one
>miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible; one hundred dollars in
>rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue
>of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon stockings.

You forgot the chocolate.

[Blanche]

Roger (K8RI) > wrote:
>
>What? No chocolate bars?

Roger -- great minds!

[Marty Shapiro]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
> every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
> personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
> ground.
>

White scarf and goggles.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

[Jim Macklin]

The gun is needed more in the city than in the wilderness,
too many two legged predators in the city. Didn't you see
Escape From New York?



"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
ups.com...
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > basic survival gear, a knife, fire starter, some water.
In
| > the winter shelter.
| >
| > A 45 automatic and 50 rounds or a shotgun.
|
| What happens if you land somewhere in the city that
requires a permit
| to carry such items?
|
| -Robert
|

[Jim Macklin]

Bear.

BTW, federal law allows transport anywhere, although certain
states routinely violate that provision in federal law,
mostly in New Jersey and Mass..


"NW_Pilot" > wrote in
message ...
|
| "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
|
ups.com...
| >
| > Jim Macklin wrote:
| >> basic survival gear, a knife, fire starter, some water.
In
| >> the winter shelter.
| >>
| >> A 45 automatic and 50 rounds or a shotgun.
| >
| > What happens if you land somewhere in the city that
requires a permit
| > to carry such items?
| >
| > -Robert
| >
|
| What and infringe on my right to bare arms??? than I don't
want to be
| there!!!
|
|

[Mxsmanic]

Andrew Sarangan writes:

> Depends on the flight. A 500 mile flight in IMC requires different
> things compared to a 20 mile hamburger run under VFR.

I was thinking of stuff that's always there--maybe a first-aid kit, or
some basic survival gear, extra water, oxygen, or whatever you
consider necessary to make you feel warm and fuzzy when flying.

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[Jim Macklin]

Actually, the Supreme Court has always side=stepped around
the Second Amendment.
see the report from the US Attorney General
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm which will no
doubt be a major source and authority whenever the issue
gets to the Court again.




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But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
ups.com...
|
| NW_Pilot wrote:
| > "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
| > What and infringe on my right to bare arms??? than I
don't want to be
| > there!!!
|
| I think the supreme court recently took a look at that.
They said there
| was a spelling error in the constitution and what was
intended was the
| right to "Bear arms". Limbs from bears was what was
intended.
|
| -Robert
|

[Mxsmanic]

Roger (K8RI) writes:

> Good Lord! How many hours do you fly at a time. I limit the legs to
> around five hours so that's never been a problem...and don't drink a
> lot of what ever before starting out.

Maybe you're lucky. As I recall, most people have to urinate at least
every three to five hours.

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[Mxsmanic]

Blanche writes:

> Extra batteries for headset (ANR), GPS, handheld radio (fortunately,
> they all use AA)

Lithium, I presume?

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[Jim Macklin]

Glider pilots need help to get it up.



"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
| Bob Noel > wrote:
| > In article
>,
| > Jim Logajan > wrote:
| >
| >> >> Pilot certificate? Photo ID? Medical certificate?
AFM/W&B? Logbook
| >> >> (for students)?
| >> >
| >> > fuel?
| >>
| >> No fuel needed for a glider, right?
| >
| > I don't fly gliders
|
| You will when the fuel runs out! ;-)

[Jim Macklin]

NTSB form and a pen.



"Blanche" > wrote in message
...
| Mxsmanic > wrote:
| >What things do you consider it essential to always have
on board for
| >every flight? Not just things required by law, but
things that you
| >personally believe in having on the aircraft before you
leave the
| >ground.
|
| Cash.
| Credit card.
| Nail file or emery board (it's a gender thing)
| Bottle of water.
| Cell phone.
| Telephone number of my attorney.
| Extra jacket.
| More cash.
| Extra batteries for headset (ANR), GPS, handheld radio
(fortunately,
| they all use AA)
|
|

[Greg B]

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Gary Drescher" > wrote:
>
>> "TxSrv" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> > The "law" literally requires nothing.
>>
>> Pilot certificate? Photo ID? Medical certificate? AFM/W&B? Logbook (for
>> students)?
>
> fuel?

Aircraft... It isn't as much fun to fly without it.

[PPSEL-student]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
> every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
> personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
> ground.
>
> --


OMG I can't belive that all of you forgot to mention a "SALLY BLOW UP DOLL
AND A BOX OF CONDOMES"!!!!

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
"Roger (K8RI)" > wrote:

> >A bottle of Gatorade or something similar (wide-mouth prefered).
> >
> >Much easier than having to land every time I have to pee.
>
> Good Lord! How many hours do you fly at a time. I limit the legs to
> around five hours so that's never been a problem...and don't drink a
> lot of what ever before starting out.

I was using 4 hours as a leg limit 15 years ago!

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Judah]

"Roger (K8RI)" > wrote in
:

> Good Lord! How many hours do you fly at a time. I limit the legs to
> around five hours so that's never been a problem...and don't drink a
> lot of what ever before starting out.

I typically have a cup of coffee on my way to the airport. Then, all nicely
warmed up, I like to sip on Gatorade or Iced Tea or something similar as I am
flying.

It's important, however, not to use Lemon-Lime flavored drinks. They come in
a light yellow color that can create massive confusion in the cockpot.

That's a mistake that you make only once...

[john smith]

In article >,
"Roger (K8RI)" > wrote:

> Good Lord! How many hours do you fly at a time. I limit the legs to
> around five hours so that's never been a problem...and don't drink a
> lot of what ever before starting out.

Which leads to serious dehydration and potential mental impairment.

[Judah]

"PPSEL-student" > wrote in news:Ob_2h.250779$1T2.8402
@pd7urf2no:

> OMG I can't belive that all of you forgot to mention a "SALLY BLOW UP DOLL
> AND A BOX OF CONDOMES"!!!!

Nah - you can only be inducted into the Mile High Club the first time.

Then the thrill is gone...

[Mxsmanic]

john smith writes:

> Which leads to serious dehydration and potential mental impairment.

No, it does not.

You can be minimally hydrated and produce only the minimum of urine
required to remove waste products, and this can allow you to go for
many hours without urinating. It's a fine line to tread, but it's not
unhealthy or dangerous. Personal experience can teach you how much
you should or shouldn't drink in the hours preceding a trip in order
to find a good balance between necessary urine production and
overproduction that might make a stop necessary (or worse).

Dehydration occurs from losing water, which can be prevented by
bringing suitable beverages along in the cockpit. If you feel
thirsty, sip something to drink (make sure it's not diuretic, which
rules out Coke, tea, coffee, etc.). Unless the cockpit is very warm
and you are losing a great deal through perspiration, you'll be fine,
at least for the duration of any GA trip you might take. By the time
you'd have to worry about fluid balance, you'll be out of fuel,
anyway, so there isn't any danger.

If you will be flying in conditions of heat (effective or real),
consider installing air conditioning. Apart from preventing excessive
dehydration, it will make you more comfortable and better able to
concentrate on your flying.

Having a full bladder is a strong distraction and can be potentially
dangerous. Taking an occasional sip of a drink if and when you feel
thirsty is much less distracting and more than adequate to ensure
proper hydration. Making provisions to urinate in flight is also very
potentially distracting.

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[Jim Macklin]

condoms, no e

real girl better



"Judah" > wrote in message
. ..
| "PPSEL-student" > wrote in
news:Ob_2h.250779$1T2.8402
| @pd7urf2no:
|
| > OMG I can't belive that all of you forgot to mention a
"SALLY BLOW UP DOLL
| > AND A BOX OF CONDOMES"!!!!
|
| Nah - you can only be inducted into the Mile High Club the
first time.
|
| Then the thrill is gone...

[Jim Macklin]

and kidney stones, which will ground you.



"john smith" > wrote in message
...
| In article >,
| "Roger (K8RI)" > wrote:
|
| > Good Lord! How many hours do you fly at a time. I limit
the legs to
| > around five hours so that's never been a problem...and
don't drink a
| > lot of what ever before starting out.
|
| Which leads to serious dehydration and potential mental
impairment.
|

[Gary Drescher]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> If you will be flying in conditions of heat (effective or real),
> consider installing air conditioning. Apart from preventing excessive
> dehydration, it will make you more comfortable and better able to
> concentrate on your flying.

Better yet, consider installing a swimming pool. In addition to keeping you
cool while you fly, it'll let you get some exercise.

> Having a full bladder is a strong distraction and can be potentially
> dangerous.

The swimming pool might also help in this regard.

[Mxsmanic]

Gary Drescher writes:

> Better yet, consider installing a swimming pool. In addition to keeping you
> cool while you fly, it'll let you get some exercise.

I'm sorry that GA aircraft are so hopelessly primitive that they don't
normally have air conditioning. Flying in a hot cockpit is a lot more
dangerous than mild dehydration.

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[Mxsmanic]

"Jim Macklin" > writes:

> and kidney stones, which will ground you.

Kidney stones are not a universal consequence of even chronic
dehydration. Individuals who develop them often seem to have a
predisposition to the condition, or other problems that encourage the
development of stones.

People who have a history of renal calculi should drink more water and
fluids, but those who have no such history need not take any
exceptional precautions.

And simply not drinking much before a flight is not the same as
technical dehydration, which some pilots use to avoid urinating
entirely for long periods. If you're normally hydrated and not
thirsty, you don't need to drink anything before a flight. It's more
important to have something to drink on board. If you're the type who
can't tolerate anything in your bladder, a couple of urine collection
devices on board could be useful as well.

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[mike regish]

Once you get to altitude, the air is cool enough to make even the hottest
days comfortable. The only time you really need AC is on the ground.

Dehydration is still a concern since the air at altitude contains much less
moisture. That's what water bottles are for.

mike

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Gary Drescher writes:
>
>> Better yet, consider installing a swimming pool. In addition to keeping
>> you
>> cool while you fly, it'll let you get some exercise.
>
> I'm sorry that GA aircraft are so hopelessly primitive that they don't
> normally have air conditioning. Flying in a hot cockpit is a lot more
> dangerous than mild dehydration.
>
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[Grumman-581[_1_]]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> basic survival gear, a knife, fire starter, some water. In
> the winter shelter.
>
> A 45 automatic and 50 rounds or a shotgun.

A cooler with some Cokes for during the flight and with a couple of
beers for after the flight is also nice... Since I always have a .45 on
me, I guess that counts also... Usually don't have 50 rounds in my plane
though... I might have 1000 rounds of various calibers in my truck or
Jeep, but I don't carry that many in my plane... Sounds like I need to
restock...

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> What happens if you land somewhere in the city that requires a permit
> to carry such items?

Simple, you carry more ammo...

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> Bear.
>
> BTW, federal law allows transport anywhere, although certain
> states routinely violate that provision in federal law,
> mostly in New Jersey and Mass..

And every "law" that came after SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is
unconstitutional and as such, we have no duty to obey them... In fact,
it is our solemn duty to violate them as often as possible...

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> Actually, the Supreme Court has always side=stepped around
> the Second Amendment.

Yeah, the SC is just filled with a bunch of ****in' Constitutional
Revisionists anyway... Their opinion doesn't count... The FFs said,
"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"... It's apparently difficult for some of these
****in' leftists to understand that they actually *meant* what they
said... Of course, that would also be an alien concept for the ****in'
leftists...

[mike regish]

Airworthiness certificate, registration...

mike

"Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
. ..
> "TxSrv" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> The "law" literally requires nothing.
>
> Pilot certificate? Photo ID? Medical certificate? AFM/W&B? Logbook (for
> students)?
>
>

[mike regish]

Hope you keep something useful in the bible. Otherwise, it's just wasted
space and weight.

mike

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> One forty-five caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days’
> concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing antibiotics,
> morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills;
> one
> miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible; one hundred dollars
> in
> rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue
> of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon stockings.

[john smith]

In article >,
Mxsmanic > wrote:

> I was thinking of stuff that's always there--maybe a first-aid kit, or
> some basic survival gear, extra water, oxygen, or whatever you
> consider necessary to make you feel warm and fuzzy when flying.

This isn't your room where you keep your computer when simming.
Go to the manufacturers websites and lookup the cockpit dimensions.
find some large pieces of cardboard and cut to size. Tape the cardboard
together with duct tape.
Now you can see how big the volume is and determine for yourself what
you can and cannot carry.
You cannot include the toilet in your bathroom nor the refridgerator in
your kitchen.

[Judah]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Kidney stones are not a universal consequence of even chronic
> dehydration. Individuals who develop them often seem to have a
> predisposition to the condition, or other problems that encourage the
> development of stones.
>
> People who have a history of renal calculi should drink more water and
> fluids, but those who have no such history need not take any
> exceptional precautions.

Oh great! Now he's a doctor!

Where'd you learn all that?

The "Operation" game?

[john smith]

In article >,
Judah > wrote:

> Oh great! Now he's a doctor!
> Where'd you learn all that?

He stayed at a Holiday Inn somewhere.

[Judah]

Judah > wrote in news:Xns98717DA7EC16AJudahnospamnet@
69.28.186.158:

> Mxsmanic > wrote in
> :
>
>> Kidney stones are not a universal consequence of even chronic
>> dehydration. Individuals who develop them often seem to have a
>> predisposition to the condition, or other problems that encourage the
>> development of stones.
>>
>> People who have a history of renal calculi should drink more water and
>> fluids, but those who have no such history need not take any
>> exceptional precautions.
>
> Oh great! Now he's a doctor!
>
> Where'd you learn all that?
>
> The "Operation" game?

Oh look! I think I found him!

http://www.exelservices.co.uk/images/operate.jpg

[Jim Logajan]

"mike regish" > wrote:
> Hope you keep something useful in the bible. Otherwise, it's just
> wasted space and weight.

Just FYI, the quote comes from the movie "Dr. Strangelove".

>
> mike
>
> "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
> .. .
>>
>> One forty-five caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days’
>> concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing
>> antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills,
>> tranquilizer pills; one
>> miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible; one hundred
>> dollars in
>> rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one
>> issue of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon
>> stockings.
>
>
>

[mike regish]

Ahh...

mike

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> "mike regish" > wrote:
>> Hope you keep something useful in the bible. Otherwise, it's just
>> wasted space and weight.
>
> Just FYI, the quote comes from the movie "Dr. Strangelove".
>

[Mxsmanic]

Judah writes:

> Where'd you learn all that?
>
> The "Operation" game?

Medical textbooks, mostly. Medicine is a hobby of mine. And I grew
up in a climate where dehydration was an everyday risk.

--
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[Grumman-581[_1_]]

Judah wrote:
> Oh great! Now he's a doctor!
>
> Where'd you learn all that?
>
> The "Operation" game?

I think it was MS Let's-Play-Doctor v2.0 (it comes with the blow up USB
enabled girlfriend simulator)...

[john smith]

In article >,
Mxsmanic > wrote:

> Judah writes:
>
> > Where'd you learn all that?
> > The "Operation" game?

> Medical textbooks, mostly. Medicine is a hobby of mine. And I grew
> up in a climate where dehydration was an everyday risk.

France -> dessert -> French colony -> Algeria?

[Steven Barnes]

That's what the pause button is for...


"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Roger (K8RI) writes:
>
> > Good Lord! How many hours do you fly at a time. I limit the legs to
> > around five hours so that's never been a problem...and don't drink a
> > lot of what ever before starting out.
>
> Maybe you're lucky. As I recall, most people have to urinate at least
> every three to five hours.
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Mxsmanic]

Steven Barnes writes:

> That's what the pause button is for...

A real-life aircraft has no pause button ... which is one of the
advantages of simulation over real life.

--
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[Ron Wanttaja]

On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 00:52:45 -0500, "Roger (K8RI)" > wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 18:43:19 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Sturdy shoes, worn on one's feet.
>
>You have to little faith in your airplane you plan on walking back?

Or crunch through flaming wreckage. Your immediate post-crash chances of
survival are much better if your feet are protected, even for a short time.

I cringe, absolutely CRINGE, when I see people on airplanes wearing sandals.

Ron Wanttaja

[Kev]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> What things do you consider it essential to always have on board for
> every flight? Not just things required by law, but things that you
> personally believe in having on the aircraft before you leave the
> ground.

For flight: Flashlights. Pens and mechanical pencils. Batteries.
More flashlights :-)

For emergency landings: These days, a cell phone. Matches. Water.
Leatherman tool. Blanket if it's cold.

Kev

[Sylvain]

Mxsmanic wrote:

>> Which leads to serious dehydration and potential mental impairment.
>
> No, it does not.

oh boy... keep believing that if you want; after all you are
not likely to hurt yourself or others when flying a sim at home,
but you are seriously mistaken here.

The fact is that there is not enough emphasis on the effects of
dehydration when training (though I was glad to notice that it
is taken far more seriously by the CAP); not even mentioned in
the 'medical facts' chapter of the AIM.

--Sylvain

[Mxsmanic]

Sylvain writes:

> oh boy... keep believing that if you want; after all you are
> not likely to hurt yourself or others when flying a sim at home,
> but you are seriously mistaken here.

Not having a full bladder is not the same as being dehydrated. If
you're not thirsty in the hours before your flight, you don't need to
drink anything prior to flying. During the flight, you should drink
as soon as you feel thirsty, or prophylactically before that if you
want to be safe (but keep in mind that you may have to urinate if you
drink more than you need to stay hydrated).

For very long trips, you cannot avoid a full bladder, as a minimal
amount of water is required by the kidneys to operate. This amount
isn't very large, though--it's around 500-1000 ml per 24 hours.

> The fact is that there is not enough emphasis on the effects of
> dehydration when training (though I was glad to notice that it
> is taken far more seriously by the CAP); not even mentioned in
> the 'medical facts' chapter of the AIM.

Mild dehydration doesn't have much in the way of effects; a lot of
other effects are far more significant. So it's not surprising that
dehydration might not be mentioned. Additionally, hydration is hard
to measure.

If you're stuck in midair with a full bladder, that will be far more
of a distraction and impairment than some mild dehydration. It may
encourage you to do foolish things in an attempt to get to a toilet as
quickly as possible.

--
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[john smith]

In article >,
Mxsmanic > wrote:

> For very long trips, you cannot avoid a full bladder, as a minimal
> amount of water is required by the kidneys to operate. This amount
> isn't very large, though--it's around 500-1000 ml per 24 hours.

At my age, I produce more than 500 ml within ONE-HOUR of consuming
one-liter of liquid! You do not know how excruiciating it is to try to
hold that amount for even a short time.

[Mxsmanic]

john smith writes:

> At my age, I produce more than 500 ml within ONE-HOUR of consuming
> one-liter of liquid!

That's because you drank a liter of liquid. But you only need about
500 ml over the course of an entire day to keep your kidneys running,
assuming that you don't lose excessive amounts of fluid through
perspiration, vomiting, or diarrhea.

> You do not know how excruiciating it is to try to hold that amount
> for even a short time.

Actually, I hate having anything other than an empty bladder, and I do
try to anticipate long trips and plan for them in a way that minimizes
the chances of being stuck far from a toilet. And this would be a
concern for me in GA aircraft (yet another advantage that simulation
has over real life).

--
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[Grumman-581[_1_]]

john smith wrote:
> At my age, I produce more than 500 ml within ONE-HOUR of consuming
> one-liter of liquid! You do not know how excruiciating it is to try to
> hold that amount for even a short time.

Oh well, that's why relief tubes were invented... Well, that plus when
you are flying over Skylune's house... <evil-grin>

[Dave Stadt]

"Judah" > wrote in message
. ..
> Mxsmanic > wrote in
> :
>
>> Kidney stones are not a universal consequence of even chronic
>> dehydration. Individuals who develop them often seem to have a
>> predisposition to the condition, or other problems that encourage the
>> development of stones.
>>
>> People who have a history of renal calculi should drink more water and
>> fluids, but those who have no such history need not take any
>> exceptional precautions.
>
> Oh great! Now he's a doctor!
>
> Where'd you learn all that?
>
> The "Operation" game?
>

Microsoft Doctor Simulator 2005.

[[email protected]]

Grumman-581 wrote:
> .. Since I always have a .45 on
> me, I guess that counts also... Usually don't have 50 rounds in my plane
> though... I might have 1000 rounds of various calibers in my truck or
> Jeep, but I don't carry that many in my plane... Sounds like I need to
> restock...

I am so very thankful I live in New Zealand.

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

wrote:
> I am so very thankful I live in New Zealand.

Probably a good thing -- we don't have that many sheep here in Texas...

"New Zealand -- Where the men are men and the sheep are nervous."

[Roger (K8RI)]

On 5 Nov 2006 21:46:37 -0800, wrote:

>Grumman-581 wrote:
>> .. Since I always have a .45 on
>> me, I guess that counts also... Usually don't have 50 rounds in my plane
>> though... I might have 1000 rounds of various calibers in my truck or
>> Jeep, but I don't carry that many in my plane... Sounds like I need to
>> restock...

If you need more than five or six you are going to be in a heap of
hurt.

>
>I am so very thankful I live in New Zealand.

Why?

People carrying guns? Most of us had to go through a training class
to get the permit, but with the exception of the *really* liberal
states most now have right to carry laws. The crime rate has gone
down in every one of those that have passed such laws.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[LWG]

Except, interestingly enough, in some places in Florida, which has a right
to carry law. It seems the predatory class now lies in wait for those in
Florida -- you guessed it -- leaving airports. One of the few places in
Florida a predator can be fairly certain that a native or transient
Floridian will not be carrying a weapon on his or her person.

> People carrying guns? Most of us had to go through a training class
> to get the permit, but with the exception of the *really* liberal
> states most now have right to carry laws. The crime rate has gone
> down in every one of those that have passed such laws.
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
> www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:53:59 -0500, "LWG" >
wrote:

>Except, interestingly enough, in some places in Florida, which has a right
>to carry law. It seems the predatory class now lies in wait for those in
>Florida -- you guessed it -- leaving airports. One of the few places in
>Florida a predator can be fairly certain that a native or transient
>Floridian will not be carrying a weapon on his or her person.

Yah, but I thought that was the norm for Miami International for
years. Looking at the neighborhoods you have to go through I almost
wanted an escorte.

OTOH that's how the neighbors get their new cars.

>
>> People carrying guns? Most of us had to go through a training class
>> to get the permit, but with the exception of the *really* liberal
>> states most now have right to carry laws. The crime rate has gone
>> down in every one of those that have passed such laws.
>>
>> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
>> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
>> www.rogerhalstead.com
>
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger (K8RI)]

What essentials do I really carry on flights?

In addition to those things required for the flight I take along a
first aid kit and clothes appropriate for the weather along the
route. This includes appropriate foot wear. A good pair of leather
gloves whether light weight work gloves or warm ones for cold weather
can save a lot of hide when walking out of the brush.

I also take a cell phone, but they are notoriously unreliable in many
areas. Even here in a relatively densely populated area you can find
many areas, and particularly out in the woods where they will not
connect. In addition I almost always carry an HT with both the
aviation band and 2-meter amateur band. Although it may have a much
longer reach than the cell phone the likely hood of some one hearing
it are slim.

A *small* hand held GPS suitable for navigating on foot would be a
good idea. I don't have one, but when traveling over wide areas of
woods and swamps that are sparsely populated that usually comes to
mind as "maybe I should get one of those things"<:-))

I typically keep a back pack in the car with essentials for a couple
of days and throw that in the plane before heading out on trips. The
backpack makes it much easier to carry that extra *stuff*. My
flashlight is a little solid state "Tac light" that can go from a dim
red to a very bright white and is good for several days even on
bright.

The back pack is pretty much my Oshkosh survival kit. A change of
clothes, couple pair of socks and underwear. A few small,light weight
tools. A couple days worth of meds should be in that first aid pack.
If you have a small camera, don't forget the flash can be seen for
miles at night.
"Skeeter spray/bug repellent" for summer. Sun block, cap, (stocking
cap for colder weather) remember the head is probably your largest
heat loss source so keep it covered and a long sleeve shirt.

I don't have one but one of those space age blankets would be a good
investment.

Few of us do, but we should all carry a survival pack with the
essentials to get us through at least one night. Include only the
essentials including a couple days worth of meds and fire starting
materials. Just don't start a forest fire. Remember too that even if
it's the hot part of summer it may get downright cold at night.

This time of year where it's down in the 20s at night and 30s or 40s
in the day we tend to get into the plane, complain about the chill
while taxiing to the runway and then forget about it once the inside
becomes nice and warm. We forget that we need warm clothes to even
walk out a mile or two, let alone an over night stay in the woods.

That's actually less of a problem in January and February as we are
dressed for the weather when we get into the plane<:-)) (If it's not
snowed in or it's too cold to bother)
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"LWG" > wrote in message
. ..
> Except, interestingly enough, in some places in Florida, which has a right
> to carry law. It seems the predatory class now lies in wait for those in
> Florida -- you guessed it -- leaving airports. One of the few places in
> Florida a predator can be fairly certain that a native or transient
> Floridian will not be carrying a weapon on his or her person.

Interesting technique... Wouldn't work for me though... First thing I do
after putting my luggage in my rental car is transfer my .45 from my luggage
to my fanny pack or whatever concealed type holster I might be using... If
it's convenient, I'll even do it at the airport before I get the rental
car...

[Sylvain]

Grumman-581 wrote:

> Interesting technique... Wouldn't work for me though... First thing I do
> after putting my luggage in my rental car is transfer my .45 from my
> luggage to my fanny pack or whatever concealed type holster I might be
> using... If it's convenient, I'll even do it at the airport before I get
> the rental car...

ok, I know this is getting quite a bit OT, but I am curious: who
issues carry permits (counties? states? I thought it was the county)
and can you still carry when leaving this jurisdiction?

--Sylvain

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Sylvain" > wrote in message
t...
> Grumman-581 wrote:
>
>> Interesting technique... Wouldn't work for me though... First thing I do
>> after putting my luggage in my rental car is transfer my .45 from my
>> luggage to my fanny pack or whatever concealed type holster I might be
>> using... If it's convenient, I'll even do it at the airport before I get
>> the rental car...
>
> ok, I know this is getting quite a bit OT, but I am curious: who
> issues carry permits (counties? states? I thought it was the county)
> and can you still carry when leaving this jurisdiction?
>
> --Sylvain

Many are issued by the states and in many of those states CC laws there are
reciprocity clauses. I'm sure there are some places where the county sheriff
issues the permits and some others that it is issued by the city. Those
county and city are generally the places where you have to know somebody to
get one.

Most of the state laws are "Shall Issue" laws where the permit MUST be
issued unless there is a reason for it not to be issued and legitimate
reasons are spelled out in the law.

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
...
> Many are issued by the states and in many of those states CC laws there
are
> reciprocity clauses.

And for those leftist places that don't, there is always the SHALL NOT BE
INFRINGED clause of the 2nd Amendment...

[LWG]

The people of Florida would probably appreciate your travel there more
frequently. I think they have a few more of the predatory class left.

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
...
> "LWG" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Except, interestingly enough, in some places in Florida, which has a
>> right
>> to carry law. It seems the predatory class now lies in wait for those in
>> Florida -- you guessed it -- leaving airports. One of the few places in
>> Florida a predator can be fairly certain that a native or transient
>> Floridian will not be carrying a weapon on his or her person.
>
> Interesting technique... Wouldn't work for me though... First thing I do
> after putting my luggage in my rental car is transfer my .45 from my
> luggage
> to my fanny pack or whatever concealed type holster I might be using... If
> it's convenient, I'll even do it at the airport before I get the rental
> car...
>
>

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 14:11:36 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
> wrote:

>On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 00:52:45 -0500, "Roger (K8RI)" > wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 18:43:19 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Sturdy shoes, worn on one's feet.
>>
>>You have to little faith in your airplane you plan on walking back?
>
>Or crunch through flaming wreckage. Your immediate post-crash chances of
>survival are much better if your feet are protected, even for a short time.
>
>I cringe, absolutely CRINGE, when I see people on airplanes wearing sandals.

Or light clothes in the winter.

As for foot wear I usually wear what I have on now. Steel toed leather
work boots that won't melt to your skin.


>
>Ron Wanttaja
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 17:04:03 +0100, Wolfgang Schwanke >
wrote:

>Mxsmanic > wrote in
:
>
>> I'm sorry that GA aircraft are so hopelessly primitive that they don't
>> normally have air conditioning.
>
>They tend to have a heating. For cooling you can always open a window.

Or the door which will also do a very good job of cleaning the carpets
and simplifying cockpit clutter. Just keep your eyes tightly closed
for the first five seconds after pulling the door handle.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 13:58:29 GMT, john smith > wrote:

>In article >,
> "Roger (K8RI)" > wrote:
>
>> Good Lord! How many hours do you fly at a time. I limit the legs to
>> around five hours so that's never been a problem...and don't drink a
>> lot of what ever before starting out.
>
>Which leads to serious dehydration and potential mental impairment.

That was before heading out. "Sipping" on a soft drink or plain water
while in the air works fine. Coffee and particularly tea are
diauretics and tend to cause your system to *flush* out requiring a
premature ..er... stop. OTOH anything with an artificial sweetner will
probably have me stopping at the next closest ariport ..right after
taking off and I'll probably be in there the rest of the day. That
stuff works bettern' Epson salts. Just remember the "milk shake" in
VanWilder! Don't cough or sneeze.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Grumman-581[_4_]]

wrote:
> I am so very thankful I live in New Zealand.

http://www.nickscipio.com/funstuff/archive6/2005-01-11_datenight.html

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"LWG" > wrote in message
. ..
> The people of Florida would probably appreciate your travel there more
> frequently. I think they have a few more of the predatory class left.

The nice thing about Florida is that they have plenty of gators for body
disposal...

http://grumman581.googlepages.com/gators-gotta-eat-too

[David Dyer-Bennet]

Sylvain wrote:
> Grumman-581 wrote:
>
>> Interesting technique... Wouldn't work for me though... First thing I do
>> after putting my luggage in my rental car is transfer my .45 from my
>> luggage to my fanny pack or whatever concealed type holster I might be
>> using... If it's convenient, I'll even do it at the airport before I get
>> the rental car...
>
> ok, I know this is getting quite a bit OT, but I am curious: who
> issues carry permits (counties? states? I thought it was the county)
> and can you still carry when leaving this jurisdiction?

They're nearly all governed by state law. Generally the permit is
mandated and requirements set and forms standardized at the state level,
and the actual approval process is at the local level (city or county).

Generally, the permit is valid throughout the state it's for, although I
think there are a couple of exceptions in a couple of states. (Um,
there are often specific places which are all prohibited, like the
secure zone at airports for example; by "throughout" I just mean that
there aren't entire cities that are different -- usually.)

And then most states have at least some kind of reciprocity with some
other states. I've carried in KY and TN on my MN permit, entirely
legally (I have to conform to the laws of the state I'm actually in, and
it's my responsibility to find out what those are; in addition to
research, I was with local permit-holders).

Then there are out-of-state permits; if I traveled to Florida regularly
I'd get a Florida permit, and as another poster recently mentioned,
transfer my gun from my luggage to my holster when I got in the rental
car, or even back in the airport terminal (generally a permit-holder is
legal carrying in the *non-secure* portions of even major commercial
airports). Florida also happens to be the most widely accepted permit;
a Florida permit would let me carry in a bunch of states I can't carry
in now; but I essentially never visit any of them.

As you may have noticed, lots of this is a matter of state law. And
ignorance is no excuse.

And let us not forget Vermont and Alaska, which have no requirement for
permits to carry. If you can legally own the gun, you can legally carry
it. Seems like a civilized arrangement to me.