Taxiing to Parking in the North 40 -- Too cool!

[Jay Honeck]

No, not at Airventure 2007 -- in "the Kiwi"! (See it here:
http://alexisparkinn.com/the_kiwi_is_born.htm )

In searching for ways to enhance our "Oshkosh training experience" for
our pilot guests, I discovered a Microsoft download for enhanced
Airventure Flight Simulator scenery that actually shows the grounds in
such detail that you can taxi to parking -- in the North 40!

(Download it here:
http://www.microsoft.com/games/flightsimulator/fs2002_virtual_oshkosh.asp
Although it was designed for FS 2002, it works fine in FS 2004.)

I was able to park between a Cessna 172 and a Cherokee, after landing
on Rwy 36 and taxiing all the way down the flight line, past a zillion
planes -- just like the real deal. There are tents, and the tower,
and buildings -- it's really quite remarkable.

The best scenario starts you over Ripon, and you fly up the tracks to
the airport, just like the real thing. Unfortunately, while there *is*
traffic, they're not all flying up the tracks, so you can't practice
maintaining position (and thus there's no one to follow, which makes
getting lost possible) -- but otherwise the experience is very, very
realistic.

In my first attempt I actually crashed on my right-base-to-final turn
to Rwy 27, just like the folks in the Europa did this year. I was
trying to keep it in tight, just like ATC always demands, and got too
slow. It was eerie, but proves that the realism settings are pretty
close to right on.

I can see it already: Our 2007 Pre-Oshkosh Fly-In Pool Party is going
to be equal parts of swimming, brats, beer and Oshkosh training
seminar!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jose[_1_]]

> I can see it already: Our 2007 Pre-Oshkosh Fly-In Pool Party is going
> to be equal parts of swimming, brats, beer and Oshkosh training
> seminar!

Yanno, there's some airport PR angle here I can't quite put my finger on
yet.

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[John Clear]

In article >,
Jose > wrote:
>> I can see it already: Our 2007 Pre-Oshkosh Fly-In Pool Party is going
>> to be equal parts of swimming, brats, beer and Oshkosh training
>> seminar!
>
>Yanno, there's some airport PR angle here I can't quite put my finger on
>yet.

FAA Wings credit?

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

[Jack Allison[_1_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> I was able to park between a Cessna 172 and a Cherokee, after landing
> on Rwy 36 and taxiing all the way down the flight line, past a zillion
> planes -- just like the real deal. There are tents, and the tower,
> and buildings -- it's really quite remarkable.

....but...can we practice parking the gaggle that leaves IOW next to each
other at OSH? Maybe that's what we need...and it will really happen.

> In my first attempt I actually crashed on my right-base-to-final turn
> to Rwy 27, just like the folks in the Europa did this year. I was
> trying to keep it in tight, just like ATC always demands, and got too
> slow.

Hmmm, maybe Mary should pull off her patented knife edge follow the
idiot in front arrival :-)

> I can see it already: Our 2007 Pre-Oshkosh Fly-In Pool Party is going
> to be equal parts of swimming, brats, beer and Oshkosh training
> seminar!

That should be a hoot after the obligatory brat/chips/corn/multiple beer
dinner :-P

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Jay Honeck]

> ...but...can we practice parking the gaggle that leaves IOW next to each
> other at OSH? Maybe that's what we need...and it will really happen.

I don't know -- hopefully we never again run into that cluster f*ck
around Rush/Green lakes, and we won't have to worry about getting split
up. That was a bit too crazy, thank you.

Also, I'm gonna have to find some other aircraft fight sim models for
you guys to use. We'll need a Maule for Edwin to fly, and an Arrow for
you, and an RV-6 for Steve. We've already got a 182 for Jim (although
it's not a straight-tail) and I need a Pathfinder.

> That should be a hoot after the obligatory brat/chips/corn/multiple beer
> dinner :-P

Actually (in the interest of science, of course) it would be
educational to see how many drinks it took for your flying to
deteriorate. Next year, when you're "flying" the Kiwi, we'll line up
shots of tequila next to you, and every, oh, say 15 minutes you'll have
to drink one -- and then go fly the pattern. We will then objectively
measure your performance by yelling "That was a good one, Jack!"...

Ah, the sacrifices we must make for science.

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steve Foley[_2_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...

> Actually (in the interest of science, of course) it would be
> educational to see how many drinks it took for your flying to
> deteriorate. Next year, when you're "flying" the Kiwi, we'll line up
> shots of tequila next to you, and every, oh, say 15 minutes you'll have
> to drink one -- and then go fly the pattern. We will then objectively
> measure your performance by yelling "That was a good one, Jack!"...


May not be a good idea.

Remember Johnny Fever and the State Cop doing the drinking experiment on
WKRP?

[Jim Burns]

Sign up now for the Alexis Park Inn / Iowa City Airport Pre-Oshkosh Arrival
Training and Beer/bratfest.
Featuring free for the asking your own virtual reality CD showing you
exactly how to arrive at OSH without having to answer embarrassing questions
about NOTAMS or FISK. Simply pop your free CD into your laptop as you leave
IOW and follow the airplane on the screen as you listen to the running
narrative guide you through the NOTAM. Using the "replay" feature you don't
have to worry, if you get confused, fall behind, or simply haven't recovered
from the night before, you can simply hit rewind and go back to Start.
Also, if you find that you've picked up a tailwind, simply fly a couple of
360's until the program catches up with you. The convenient "pause" button
can be used when you arrive at FISK or RIPON. Once it's your turn to leave
the holding pattern, simply hit "resume" and it will pick up where you left
off, guiding you directly to the Land of OSH.

Jim

[john smith]

In article >,
"Jim Burns" > wrote:

> Sign up now for the Alexis Park Inn / Iowa City Airport Pre-Oshkosh Arrival
> Training and Beer/bratfest.
> Featuring free for the asking your own virtual reality CD showing you
> exactly how to arrive at OSH without having to answer embarrassing questions
> about NOTAMS or FISK. Simply pop your free CD into your laptop as you leave
> IOW and follow the airplane on the screen as you listen to the running
> narrative guide you through the NOTAM. Using the "replay" feature you don't
> have to worry, if you get confused, fall behind, or simply haven't recovered
> from the night before, you can simply hit rewind and go back to Start.
> Also, if you find that you've picked up a tailwind, simply fly a couple of
> 360's until the program catches up with you. The convenient "pause" button
> can be used when you arrive at FISK or RIPON. Once it's your turn to leave
> the holding pattern, simply hit "resume" and it will pick up where you left
> off, guiding you directly to the Land of OSH.

That's too funny!

[Jose[_1_]]

> Remember Johnny Fever and the State Cop doing the drinking experiment on
> WKRP?

No, actually, and I think I've seen them all. Could you refresh my
memory? (I can probably guess what happened)

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[john smith]

In article . com>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> Actually (in the interest of science, of course) it would be
> educational to see how many drinks it took for your flying to
> deteriorate. Next year, when you're "flying" the Kiwi, we'll line up
> shots of tequila next to you, and every, oh, say 15 minutes you'll have
> to drink one -- and then go fly the pattern. We will then objectively
> measure your performance by yelling "That was a good one, Jack!"...

Be sure to check with your local FSDO and approval so this can be
documented and forwarded to FAA HQ for consideration for relaxing the
eight-hour rule.
Remembe4, it is easier to get forgiveness than it is permission... just
ask Jet Blue!

[john smith]

In article >,
"Steve Foley" > wrote:

> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
> > Actually (in the interest of science, of course) it would be
> > educational to see how many drinks it took for your flying to
> > deteriorate. Next year, when you're "flying" the Kiwi, we'll line up
> > shots of tequila next to you, and every, oh, say 15 minutes you'll have
> > to drink one -- and then go fly the pattern. We will then objectively
> > measure your performance by yelling "That was a good one, Jack!"...

> May not be a good idea.
> Remember Johnny Fever and the State Cop doing the drinking experiment on
> WKRP?

We all know that when we relax we fly better. I cannot think of many
things that are more stressful VFR than getting mixed up in a gaggle on
the RIPON arrival furball.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Jay Honeck" > said:
>(Download it here:
>http://www.microsoft.com/games/flightsimulator/fs2002_virtual_oshkosh.asp
> Although it was designed for FS 2002, it works fine in FS 2004.)
>
>I was able to park between a Cessna 172 and a Cherokee, after landing
>on Rwy 36 and taxiing all the way down the flight line, past a zillion
>planes -- just like the real deal. There are tents, and the tower,
>and buildings -- it's really quite remarkable.

Can you do your runup while still in the camping area and blow down tents?

Is there a party going on at the end of the runway?

--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with your Microsoft product.
-- Ferenc Mantfeld

[Jay Honeck]

> Can you do your runup while still in the camping area and blow down tents?
>
> Is there a party going on at the end of the runway?

Nope, dang it.

I don't understand why my kid can have such stunning (and complete)
graphics in his dumb shoot-em-up games, but we can't get that sort of
detail in flight sim? He's 16, and he just laughs at the "crude"
graphics in FS 2004.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Larry Dighera]

On 5 Nov 2006 09:01:02 -0800, "Jay Honeck" > wrote
in om>:

>I don't understand why my kid can have such stunning (and complete)
>graphics in his dumb shoot-em-up games, but we can't get that sort of
>detail in flight sim?

Do his games model the scenery for the entire world?

[[email protected]]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
> Actually (in the interest of science, of course) it would be
> educational to see how many drinks it took for your flying to
> deteriorate.

I've seen the little correction cards for the compass, and in some
airplanes, there are additional corrections noted by placards: "With
8-track player on, add 5 degrees to compass heading." It seems like the
above process could lead to a pilot correction card according to drinks.

AFTER DRINKING, APPLY THESE
DEGREES OF CORRECTION TO:

DRINKS BANK ELEVATOR RUDDER
1 0 0 1
2 0 2 3
3 -5 2 4
4 -5 4 6
5 -10 10 12
6 JUST FOLLOW THE FLYING ELEPHANTS

> Next year, when you're "flying" the Kiwi, we'll line up shots of tequila
> next to you, and every, oh, say 15 minutes you'll have to drink one --
> and then go fly the pattern.

Do you have feelings of inadequacy? Do you suffer from shyness?
Do you sometimes wish you were more assertive?

If you answered "yes" to any of these questions, ask your doctor or
pharmacist about Tequila(R).

http://inconnu.isu.edu/~ink/new/humor/AlcoholWarning.mp3

Matt Roberds

[Peter Duniho]

"Jose" > wrote in message
om...
>> Remember Johnny Fever and the State Cop doing the drinking experiment on
>> WKRP?
>
> No, actually, and I think I've seen them all. Could you refresh my
> memory? (I can probably guess what happened)

If you guessed that Fever's reaction time got better and better, and he got
more and more alert, with every drink he took, you guessed right. :)

[Jose[_1_]]

> If you guessed that Fever's reaction time got better and better, and he got
> more and more alert, with every drink he took, you guessed right. :)

Well, actually I guessed that it would happen to the cop.

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jeff[_1_]]

> In searching for ways to enhance our "Oshkosh training experience" for
> our pilot guests, I discovered a Microsoft download for enhanced
> Airventure Flight Simulator scenery that actually shows the grounds in
> such detail that you can taxi to parking -- in the North 40!
>

Way back in the days of FS98 (or may have been FS2000), there was a
community of folks that would do a "virtual fly-in" during the week of OSH.
One year that I had to miss the REAL fun, I decided to see how the
cyber-geeks did it. Was actually pretty cool.

With their online ATC guys going, I flew the entire Fisk Approach with 1-way
comm and had to share the route with about 30 other guys. I think all total
there were about 150 planes at the "fly in". Was pretty cool, even though
most of the people flying in were in 737's and the like :)

Now with this new scenery pack you're talking about, I'll bet I can taxi,
park and hand my wallet to the Poberezny's too! Just like the reall thing!
;)

jf

[john smith]

AOPA has a FS04 pack for their giveaway Cherokee Six.
Free download for memebers.

[Jay Honeck]

> Do you have feelings of inadequacy? Do you suffer from shyness?
> Do you sometimes wish you were more assertive?
>
> If you answered "yes" to any of these questions, ask your doctor or
> pharmacist about Tequila(R).
>
> http://inconnu.isu.edu/~ink/new/humor/AlcoholWarning.mp3

Sweet!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> AOPA has a FS04 pack for their giveaway Cherokee Six.
> Free download for memebers.

Yeah, the fellow who wrote that is a regular on the Cherokee Chat.
I'm gonna download it, when I get a chance.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[fromTheShadows[_1_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> The best scenario starts you over Ripon, and you fly up the tracks to
> the airport, just like the real thing. Unfortunately, while there *is*
> traffic, they're not all flying up the tracks, so you can't practice
> maintaining position (and thus there's no one to follow, which makes
> getting lost possible) -- but otherwise the experience is very, very
> realistic.
>

If I could just step out of lurkerdom for a moment...


In case you're not aware, it is possible to edit or add flight plans for
the artifical intelligence (AI) aircraft in FS2004. I'm no expert in
this, but there is a tutorial here :

http://aimadeeasy.com/index.html

You may find you can re-create your arrival scenario quite accurately.
BTW, I'm _very_ jealous of your simulator rig.

On a side note, whilst I understand the antipathy aimed at mxsmanic in
this newsgroup because of his general attitude, I'm sure that there are
many lurkers such as me who actually benefit greatly for the responses
to his seemingly inane questions. I am unable to fly for real for a
variety of personal reasons and so have to content myself with the
simulator, and many of the questions he asks are ones that have also
ocurred to me. You may think they are more appropriate to a simulator
newsgroup, but I'd much rather come here to see how things are done for
real.


*resumes lurker pose*

[Jay Honeck]

> In case you're not aware, it is possible to edit or add flight plans for
> the artifical intelligence (AI) aircraft in FS2004. I'm no expert in
> this, but there is a tutorial here :
>
> http://aimadeeasy.com/index.html

Fascinating! I didn't know that was an option. Now, if I could only
convince Mary to let me spend all day tweaking the Kiwi, I'd be able to
get that done! For some reason, she keeps expecting me to actually
*do* something around here...

;-)

> You may find you can re-create your arrival scenario quite accurately.
> BTW, I'm _very_ jealous of your simulator rig.

Well, it's here for all to use, pretty much whenever you'd like! I
just forced my Fox TV ad sales rep to fly into OSH a few minutes ago --
she'd never been in a small plane before, and had NO idea what to do,
but she got fairly close to the runway with a little prompting -- and
I've let all sorts of guests take 'er for a spin.

I don't know about them, but *I'm* having a blast with it! I love
watching their eyes when the subwoofer (which I've now mounted to the
frame of the Kiwi) kicks in, or when I show them how to raise/lower
their seat electrically!

Today I downloaded the AOPA airplanes (the '05 Sweepstakes Commander
112 and the '06 Sweepstakes Cherokee Six), and "flew" them around a
bit. They are fantastically detailed, but they're pushing my computer
a bit hard. Things got a bit jerky around OSH, so I may have to set
the detail down some with those planes.

Both planes are free for members to download from AOPA.org, BTW.

> On a side note, whilst I understand the antipathy aimed at mxsmanic in
> this newsgroup because of his general attitude, I'm sure that there are
> many lurkers such as me who actually benefit greatly for the responses
> to his seemingly inane questions. I am unable to fly for real for a
> variety of personal reasons and so have to content myself with the
> simulator, and many of the questions he asks are ones that have also
> ocurred to me. You may think they are more appropriate to a simulator
> newsgroup, but I'd much rather come here to see how things are done for
> real.

I have no problem with MXSMANIC myself, and have been somewhat appalled
at the behavior of some of my fellow pilots as they tried to force him
"off-group". I don't understand why anyone would ever treat a poster
that way -- hell, if you don't like a guy, don't look at his posts!
But, that's Usenet. (I always assume they were abused children, and
move on... :-)

And some of his topics have been quite interesting, honestly.

> *resumes lurker pose*

Thanks for dropping in!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Morgans[_2_]]

"fromTheShadows" > wrote
>
> On a side note, whilst I understand the antipathy aimed at mxsmanic in this
> newsgroup because of his general attitude, I'm sure that there are many
> lurkers such as me who actually benefit greatly for the responses to his
> seemingly inane questions. I am unable to fly for real for a variety of
> personal reasons and so have to content myself with the simulator, and many of
> the questions he asks are ones that have also ocurred to me. You may think
> they are more appropriate to a simulator newsgroup, but I'd much rather come
> here to see how things are done for real.

I would hope that you would try to look up answers for yourself, and then ask
questions, if you need clarification, or more detail on some points.

I would also hope that you would not argue about the answers you get.

Whatever questions you may have gotten answered are not worth the damage he has
done. Above all, he is an assault on our intelligence.

If you have questions, and have made an attempt to understand the subject area,
once you have researched the questions, I would think that nobody here would
object to giving some answers. I can't say for sure, as I would not be as
presumptuous to speak for the group.

That is another part of being successful and welcome in this group. Humility.
--
Jim in NC