Need help in deciding in good headset

[[email protected]]

Dear sir,
I m starting my flight training very soon.

I need some help in deciding a wersatile headset.
my budget is 300 $

Thank u very much..

[Steven P. McNicoll[_1_]]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Dear sir,
> I m starting my flight training very soon.
>
> I need some help in deciding a wersatile headset.
> my budget is 300 $
>
> Thank u very much..
>

David Clark. No manufacturer provides better support of their products.

[kontiki]

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>
> David Clark. No manufacturer provides better support of their products.
>
>

I have to concur. For the money you have to spend they are rock solid
and will give you a long service life.

Later on, if you end up flying a whole lot you will probably take a good
look at the Bose X.... but by then hopefully you can justify the cost.

[Andrew Sarangan[_1_]]

wrote:
> Dear sir,
> I m starting my flight training very soon.
>
> I need some help in deciding a wersatile headset.
> my budget is 300 $
>
> Thank u very much..

Compared to the cost of flight training, the headset is quite minimal.
I would recommend you get a low-end headset ($150 range, such as Marv
Golden) to get you through the training. After your training you will
have a better idea of headsets and what features are important to you
and will be able to move up. It will also be a nice gift for yourself
when you pass the checkride. Then you can keep the first headset for
your passengers.

[Kyle Boatright]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Dear sir,
> I m starting my flight training very soon.
>
> I need some help in deciding a wersatile headset.
> my budget is 300 $
>
> Thank u very much..

If you want something rock solid that'll never break, there are plenty of
"vanilla" headsets out there for <$200 bucks that'll do the job.

If you want higher performance, particularly ANR, look at the Lightspeeds,
although they are not as robust as DC's.

KB

[Ron Garret]

In article >,
kontiki > wrote:

> Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
> >
> > David Clark. No manufacturer provides better support of their products.
> >
> >
>
> I have to concur. For the money you have to spend they are rock solid
> and will give you a long service life.
>
> Later on, if you end up flying a whole lot you will probably take a good
> look at the Bose X.... but by then hopefully you can justify the cost.

I like Peltor non-ANR headsets. I had a set that I used for 10 years.
I replaced them with a Bose X a while back just because I could, but
even having experienced those I still like my old Peltor set.

rg

[Bob Noel]

In article . com>,
" > wrote:

> Dear sir,
> I m starting my flight training very soon.
>
> I need some help in deciding a wersatile headset.
> my budget is 300 $

Whatever you chose, remember that you can always
upgrade later (retaining your first set for a passenger or
selling it). In other words, don't agonize too much
over the purchase.

Good luck with your training.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[buttman]

wrote:
> Dear sir,
> I m starting my flight training very soon.
>
> I need some help in deciding a versatile headset.
> my budget is $300
>
> Thank you very much..

Speaking of headsets...

Does anyone here have any experience with the Lightspeed Thirty-3g/p?
That /p at the end means it's the panel powered version. It costs about
a hundred bucks more, but I think it's worth it if it means I don't
have to fuss with batteries. I can't find a review anywhere on the net
comparing the panel version with the non-panel version.

[Travis Marlatte]

David Clark may be the defining headset but I don't find them worth the
extra money. I borrow a set occasionally becuase the hyped press gets my
interest renewed. In the end, I stay with my Sigtronics.

I find the Sigtronics to be a good value for the money - both passive and
ANR. I've had a pair of S-65's (passive) for about 8 years and a S-AR for
about 4 years. I just ordered replacement pads and windscreen because they
started disintegrating from use.

--
-------------------------------
Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK
"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>
>> Dear sir,
>> I m starting my flight training very soon.
>>
>> I need some help in deciding a wersatile headset.
>> my budget is 300 $
>>
>> Thank u very much..
>>
>
> David Clark. No manufacturer provides better support of their products.
>

[karl gruber[_1_]]

The major problem with the Lightspeeds is they can't be used in the co-pilot
position. So along with being delicate, even a flight instructor would have
to fight the cords.

David Clark recognized this.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG
"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Dear sir,
>> I m starting my flight training very soon.
>>
>> I need some help in deciding a wersatile headset.
>> my budget is 300 $
>>
>> Thank u very much..
>
> If you want something rock solid that'll never break, there are plenty of
> "vanilla" headsets out there for <$200 bucks that'll do the job.
>
> If you want higher performance, particularly ANR, look at the Lightspeeds,
> although they are not as robust as DC's.
>
> KB
>

[buttman]

karl gruber wrote:
> The major problem with the Lightspeeds is they can't be used in the co-pilot
> position.

Can you explain this a little more?

[Peter Duniho]

"buttman" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> karl gruber wrote:
>> The major problem with the Lightspeeds is they can't be used in the
>> co-pilot
>> position.
>
> Can you explain this a little more?

The headsets have a specific left side and right side, and the cord comes
out of one side only (can't be switched from one side to the other). You
can't comfortable wear the headset reversed, nor can you move the cord from
one side to the other.

So, depending on where the hookups for your intercom are in the airplane,
you'll have to have a cord dangling across your lap in one or the other
seating positions (unless there are multiple choices for plugging into the
intercom...that does happen).

IMHO, it's the main problem with the Lightspeed headsets. They seem like
such a good value; I've tried them and found them very comfortable
otherwise, and the ANR works well. But I switch back and forth too often
for me to consider them as my primary headset.

Pete

[Kyle Boatright]

"buttman" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> karl gruber wrote:
>> The major problem with the Lightspeeds is they can't be used in the
>> co-pilot
>> position.
>
> Can you explain this a little more?
>

That's a bit of an exaggeration. The issue (problem?) with lightspeeds is
that they are not reversable. The mic and cords are always on the left. What
this means is that if you're sitting on the right side of the airplane and
the plug-ins are on your right side, you'll have to figure out how to deal
with the wires.

Alternately, a similar issue exists if you're sitting on the left side and
the aircraft has center mounted intercom jacks.

I agree that it is a pain in the butt, man. ;-) I've discussed it with the
Lightspeed folks at a couple of shows and they say their headsets are
designed for optimum performance and they would need new molds to make
headsets with wires and the mic on the right side. This is because their
earcups are not symmetric from front to back. They have decided not to
produce a right mic/wire headset. I understand their rationale, but
disagree.

KB

[tony roberts]

My advice is to rent from your flight school for the first few lessons.
And rent all of the different types that they have - see what you like.
Then, before we can advise you on what to buy, we need to know your
intentions.
Are you aiming for a PPL and plan to own your own aircraft?
Or are you planning to fly for an airline?
Or . . .

Tony

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

[FLAV8R[_1_]]

> wrote in message ...
> Dear sir,
> I m starting my flight training very soon.
>
> I need some help in deciding a wersatile headset.
> my budget is 300 $
>
David Clark headsets are bullet proof and they stand behind their product.
I have had many different headsets over the years but have always come
back to my DC's. My current inventory is 3 adult DC's and 2 youth DC's.
My oldest pair is from 1985 an it still works as good as it did the day I
bought it.
Unless your rich it does not make sense to buy a cheap pair while
training to upgrade later.
Does your local pilot shop do loaners?
The pilot shop at KORL would normally loan you a set so that you could
decide on which pair you wanted to buy.
I don't know if they still do this, but your local shop may have a similar
policy.
Another thing to keep in mind is not to place any permanent markings on it
if you plan on selling them at a later time to upgrade to something else.
Have you considered buying a set from a reputable EBay seller?
Most DC's can be bought an resold on EBay for little or no lose of money.

David - KGYH

[Sylvain]

karl gruber wrote:

> The major problem with the Lightspeeds is they can't be used in the
> co-pilot position. So along with being delicate, even a flight instructor
> would have to fight the cords.

why not? I have been using my Lightspeeds from either left or right
seat without any problem...

--Sylvain

[buttman]

Peter Duniho wrote:
> "buttman" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > karl gruber wrote:
> >> The major problem with the Lightspeeds is they can't be used in the
> >> co-pilot
> >> position.
> >
> > Can you explain this a little more?
>
> The headsets have a specific left side and right side, and the cord comes
> out of one side only (can't be switched from one side to the other). You
> can't comfortable wear the headset reversed, nor can you move the cord from
> one side to the other.
>
> So, depending on where the hookups for your intercom are in the airplane,
> you'll have to have a cord dangling across your lap in one or the other
> seating positions (unless there are multiple choices for plugging into the
> intercom...that does happen).
>
> IMHO, it's the main problem with the Lightspeed headsets. They seem like
> such a good value; I've tried them and found them very comfortable
> otherwise, and the ANR works well. But I switch back and forth too often
> for me to consider them as my primary headset.
>
> Pete


Interesting. I got into the habit of having the mic always on the left
side. When I started flying right seat, I never thought to switch. It
never bothered me.

[Sylvain]

Peter Duniho wrote:

> So, depending on where the hookups for your intercom are in the airplane,
> you'll have to have a cord dangling across your lap in one or the other
> seating positions

....and how is that a problem?

hey, may be there is a market for bluetooth aviation headsets after
all, never realized that some people could be so fussy.

--Sylvain

[Peter Duniho]

"buttman" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Interesting. I got into the habit of having the mic always on the left
> side. When I started flying right seat, I never thought to switch. It
> never bothered me.

Well, good for you. Suffice to say, there are people who care.

Another issue that I forgot to mention is that depending on the
configuration of the seatbelts, size of the pilot, and exact position of the
headset, having the mic boom on the same side as the shoulder harness can be
a real pain. Imagine getting your mic caught on the shoulder harness every
time you turn to look out the side window of the airplane.

Anyway, the point is that some people *do* have preferences with respect to
where the mic boom and/or route of the headset cable is, and for some of
those people, that preference depends on the seating position in the
airplane. For those people, having a headset that can be worn in only one
way is not tenable.

Pete

[karl gruber[_1_]]

Yes, headsets for crews are designed so that the microphone and cords can be
switched from the right to left side. Kind of like when flying from the
right side you use your right hand on the yoke and left on the throttle
quadrant.

The mike should be on the right side for the pilot on the right. EVERY
airliner is set up this way. Every corporate jet is as well. Lightspeeds do
not have this feature, and are designed for the left seat only.

Best,
Karl
"Curator" N185KG



"buttman" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> karl gruber wrote:
>> The major problem with the Lightspeeds is they can't be used in the
>> co-pilot
>> position.
>
> Can you explain this a little more?
>

[Andrew Sarangan[_1_]]

Peter Duniho wrote:
> "buttman" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > karl gruber wrote:
> >> The major problem with the Lightspeeds is they can't be used in the
> >> co-pilot
> >> position.
> >
> > Can you explain this a little more?
>
> The headsets have a specific left side and right side, and the cord comes
> out of one side only (can't be switched from one side to the other). You
> can't comfortable wear the headset reversed, nor can you move the cord from
> one side to the other.
>
> So, depending on where the hookups for your intercom are in the airplane,
> you'll have to have a cord dangling across your lap in one or the other
> seating positions (unless there are multiple choices for plugging into the
> intercom...that does happen).
>
> IMHO, it's the main problem with the Lightspeed headsets. They seem like
> such a good value; I've tried them and found them very comfortable
> otherwise, and the ANR works well. But I switch back and forth too often
> for me to consider them as my primary headset.
>
> Pete


Come to think of it, my Denali ANR is that way too. But I never gave
that much thought.

[Jose[_1_]]

> They have decided not to
> produce a right mic/wire headset. I understand their rationale, but
> disagree.

Seems that a clip to which you could route the wires over your head
would do the trick (at the expense of a foot of reach).

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Peter Duniho]

"Jose" > wrote in message
t...
> Seems that a clip to which you could route the wires over your head would
> do the trick (at the expense of a foot of reach).

It would address the wiring issue, but not the mic boom issue.

[gpsman]

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Dear sir,
> > I m starting my flight training very soon.
> >
> > I need some help in deciding a wersatile headset.
> > my budget is 300 $
> >
> > Thank u very much..
> >
>
> David Clark. No manufacturer provides better support of their products.

http://www.davidclark.com/

10 seconds at their website should convince you they couldn't
manufacture anything more complicated than a toothpick... and their
toothpicks would be 16 feet long, 8 feet wide, weigh 1000# and consist
almost entirely of smoldering human hair collected from lepers in the
19th century.

That has -got- to be the worst aviation related website in the history
of the internet. The -first- website would shine like a diamond in
comparison.

Nevertheless, they make nice headsets for the money.
-----

- gpsman

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:33:51 -0800, Peter Duniho wrote:
> Another issue that I forgot to mention is that depending on the
> configuration of the seatbelts, size of the pilot, and exact position of
> the headset, having the mic boom on the same side as the shoulder
> harness can be a real pain. Imagine getting your mic caught on the
> shoulder harness every time you turn to look out the side window of the
> airplane.

Actually, I never really gave it much thought... I have a set of headphone
plugs on each side of my panel, so close to the edges of the panel that it
makes it a bit tight to plug and unplug them... Since the left seat one is
all the way to the left of the panel and since I flew from that seat, it
just seemed natural to configure my headset so that the wire was on the
left and mic boom was also on the left... The couple of times that I flew
from the right seat, I don't remember if I changed it around for the mic
boom to be on the right... Considering the fact that all it takes to do
that on mine is just to rotate it 180 degrees and as such, it doesn't take
any more time than the normal adjustments that I have to do after hanging
it on the yoke, I'm not surprised that I don't remember since it is
basically a non-issue... My shoulder belt doesn't get in the way since it
is attached close to the floor... This makes me think though... Do most
planes have their shoulder belt attachment points near the floor or do
some have it further up the fuselage past the windows perhaps?

[Kyle Boatright]

I can't see that the location of the mic makes a difference. I absolutely
think the cord location matters - I hate a rats nest of cords in the
cockpit. That's one reason I seldom use the external antenna or the 12v
power cord for my handheld GPS.




"karl gruber" > wrote in message
...
> Yes, headsets for crews are designed so that the microphone and cords can
> be switched from the right to left side. Kind of like when flying from the
> right side you use your right hand on the yoke and left on the throttle
> quadrant.
>
> The mike should be on the right side for the pilot on the right. EVERY
> airliner is set up this way. Every corporate jet is as well. Lightspeeds
> do not have this feature, and are designed for the left seat only.
>
> Best,
> Karl
> "Curator" N185KG
>
>
>
> "buttman" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>
>> karl gruber wrote:
>>> The major problem with the Lightspeeds is they can't be used in the
>>> co-pilot
>>> position.
>>
>> Can you explain this a little more?
>>
>
>

[tom]

This is a good example of why you should rent for awhile. In a small
plane, it is a nuisance to have the mic boom on the outside, bumping
the window. Also, as mentioned, planes have the jacks in different
places, making the wire routing an issue. Try before you buy.
tom

karl gruber wrote:
> Yes, headsets for crews are designed so that the microphone and cords can be
> switched from the right to left side. Kind of like when flying from the
> right side you use your right hand on the yoke and left on the throttle
> quadrant.
>
> The mike should be on the right side for the pilot on the right. EVERY
> airliner is set up this way. Every corporate jet is as well. Lightspeeds do
> not have this feature, and are designed for the left seat only.

[karl gruber[_1_]]

It makes a diffeence. Space is always crowded. Have you ever sat in a Lear
Jet?

It matters with crews who communicate with each other. Mostly we don't use
intercom in the jets because they are so quiet. but having the mike in the
way is just bad form. No multi-million $$ corporate jet is going to have two
left headsets in it. I won't have it wrong in my Cessna either.

Bose goes either way, however, it takes a screwdriver. DC, just swivel the
mike.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG
"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
. ..
>I can't see that the location of the mic makes a difference. I absolutely
>think the cord location matters - I hate a rats nest of cords in the
>cockpit. That's one reason I seldom use the external antenna or the 12v
>power cord for my handheld GPS.
>
>
>
>
> "karl gruber" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Yes, headsets for crews are designed so that the microphone and cords can
>> be switched from the right to left side. Kind of like when flying from
>> the right side you use your right hand on the yoke and left on the
>> throttle quadrant.
>>
>> The mike should be on the right side for the pilot on the right. EVERY
>> airliner is set up this way. Every corporate jet is as well. Lightspeeds
>> do not have this feature, and are designed for the left seat only.
>>
>> Best,
>> Karl
>> "Curator" N185KG
>>
>>
>>
>> "buttman" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>>
>>> karl gruber wrote:
>>>> The major problem with the Lightspeeds is they can't be used in the
>>>> co-pilot
>>>> position.
>>>
>>> Can you explain this a little more?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Thomas Borchert]

Steven,

> No manufacturer provides better support of their products.
>

And you can back that statement up exactly how? Until you do, I'll say:
poppycock!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

,

Lightspeed QFR XCc or its derivatives branded to pilot shops, e.g. at
www.avshop.com.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Gpsman,

> . and their
> toothpicks would be 16 feet long, 8 feet wide, weigh 1000# and consist
> almost entirely of smoldering human hair collected from lepers in the
> 19th century.
>

And the toothpick would be vomit green.


> Nevertheless, they make nice headsets for the money.

Nope, that's exactly what they DON'T do. Their headsets are extremely
overpriced.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Buttman,

> It costs about
> a hundred bucks more, but I think it's worth it if it means I don't
> have to fuss with batteries.
>

Please explain, I am genuinely interested: How can changing batteries
every 50 hours of operation be a "fuss" worth 100 $?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Peter,

> MHO, it's the main problem with the Lightspeed headsets.
>

IMHO, it's a total non-issue. A matter of taste, maybe, but a deal
killer? Come on!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Karl,

> The major problem with the Lightspeeds is they can't be used in the co-pilot
> position.
>

Major problem? Can't be used? Maybe you can't. Thousands others can. Oh, and in
the price range the OP talks about, the mic boom is reversible on the
Lightspeeds. You'll still reverse left/right, as with any stereo headset.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Steven P. McNicoll[_1_]]

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
>
> Steven,
>
>> No manufacturer provides better support of their products.
>>
>
> And you can back that statement up exactly how? Until you do, I'll say:
> poppycock!
>

Based on your history in these forums, I think you'll say poppycock
regardless how I back up that statement.

[karl gruber[_1_]]

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
>
> Major problem? Can't be used? Maybe you can't. Thousands others can. Oh,
> and in
> the price range the OP talks about, the mic boom is reversible on the
> Lightspeeds. You'll still reverse left/right, as with any stereo headset.

So, Thomas..........

Just what aircraft do you fly from the right seat? No pro pilot would buy a
Lightspeed.

Karl

[Thomas Borchert]

Steven,

> Based on your history in these forums, I think you'll say poppycock
> regardless how I back up that statement.
>

Just back it up instead of backing out and we'll see.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Karl,

> No pro pilot
>

I hurt your ego? Sorry.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[karl gruber[_1_]]

Thomas,

My ego has been beaten by some of the best professional pilots in the
country, for decades.

An amateur, like yourself, can't make a dent.

Karl

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> Karl,
>
>> No pro pilot
>>
>
> I hurt your ego? Sorry.
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>

[Steven P. McNicoll[_1_]]

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
>
> Just back it up instead of backing out and we'll see.
>

Easily done. I had a microphone fail on a DC headset that was five years
out of warranty. I shipped it off to them with a letter asking for an
estimate of the repair cost before they took any action. They didn't
respond to the letter, I got the headset back about a week later. They had
replaced the microphone as well as the ear pads (which I hadn't mentioned
and didn't think needed replacement) and shipped it back to me, no charge.
I've heard many similar stories from other pilots about David Clark, I can't
recall hearing any about any other headset manufacturer.

[buttman]

Thomas Borchert wrote:
> Buttman,
>
> > It costs about
> > a hundred bucks more, but I think it's worth it if it means I don't
> > have to fuss with batteries.
> >
>
> Please explain, I am genuinely interested: How can changing batteries
> every 50 hours of operation be a "fuss" worth 100 $?
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Well, I have no experience with headphones that use batteries, but I do
have a wireless mouse. It is such a pain to have to change the
batteries, even if it's only every 2 weeks (I use my mouse a lot). They
always seem to go out at the most inopportune times. I'd rather just
not have to worry about it. Plus, I like the all black color of the /p
more than the ugly blue color the regular ones come in ^_^

[Peter Duniho]

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> IMHO, it's a total non-issue. A matter of taste, maybe, but a deal
> killer? Come on!

Uh...what's your problem? A "matter of taste" is *easily* a "deal killer"
in the headset market. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[Newps]

karl gruber wrote:

> The major problem with the Lightspeeds is they can't be used in the co-pilot
> position. So along with being delicate, even a flight instructor would have
> to fight the cords.


The Lightspeed QFR can be worn either way.

[Newps]

buttman wrote:


> Well, I have no experience with headphones that use batteries, but I do
> have a wireless mouse. It is such a pain to have to change the
> batteries, even if it's only every 2 weeks (I use my mouse a lot). They
> always seem to go out at the most inopportune times. I'd rather just
> not have to worry about it.




You bought a wireless mouse that doesn't have rechargeable batteries? I
put my mouse in a cradle about every five days and an hour later we're
good for another five days.

[Brian[_1_]]

wrote:
> Dear sir,
> I m starting my flight training very soon.
>
> I need some help in deciding a wersatile headset.
> my budget is 300 $
>
> Thank u very much..

I have thousands of hours teaching and have flown with many different
headsets.
about a 3rd of my teaching has been in noise aircraft such as Aeronca
Champs.

I have had 2 major issues with headsets.

1. Poor Noise Canceling of microphone
This can and usually is the big one, one headset with a poor
microphone cause it to be very difficult to set the squelch on the
intercom, even in relatively quiet aircraft. In noisy aircraft it can
be totally unacceptable and I have had many students buy headsets try
thema nd return them for this issue. I have never had a problem with
Flightcom Headsets or David Clark headset. I am sure other brand are
good but have not noted a consistant quality with other brands.

2. Poor Durablity.

The Flightcom are the best value for cost concious pilots in my
opinion, but the will wear out. The David Clarks on the other hand I
have yet to wear a set out, if you are planning on flying a lot or for
a long time I don't think you can go wrong the DC's.

Brian

I am sure there are other good headsets these are just the ones that
have got my attention so far. Of course the Noise cancelling is nice,
but usually expensive, I really don't normally notice that much
difference between the Bose or DC except in especially noisy aircraft.

Brian
CFIIG/ASEL

[Sylvain]

Ron Garret wrote:

> I like Peltor non-ANR headsets. I had a set that I used for 10 years.

I have a Peltor as well; which I still have 12 years, and which I
use for passengers; a nice thing about it, is that it can fit a
wide range of head sizes, from adults to kids.

--Sylvain

[Brian[_1_]]

B A R R Y wrote:
> On 12 Nov 2006 14:15:37 -0800, "Brian" > wrote:
>
> > I really don't normally notice that much
> >difference between the Bose or DC except in especially noisy aircraft.
>
> You forgot comfort.

After wearing my DC's for thousands of hours, I really don't notice
much difference. Now If I were wearing the Bose all the time and going
the DC's occasionally I probably would notice the difference.

The Bose are definitly lighter and they are comfortable. They seem (and
probably are) lighter. And the are Quieter. But for this poor(cheap)
flight instructor they just aren't worth the extra $ for these
features. Also since I fly many different aircraft, I find DC's more
universal and don't require batteries or a power source.

The one aircraft I do fly with Bose headsets, the owner has wired in
the power supply for the headset into the aircraft. This is an
excellent setup, but basically makes the headsets part of the aircraft.

The best solution I have found is to fly a glider.

Brian
CFIIG/ASEL

[Travis Marlatte]

>> The headsets have a specific left side and right side, and the cord comes
>> out of one side only (can't be switched from one side to the other). You
>> can't comfortable wear the headset reversed, nor can you move the cord
>> from
>> one side to the other.

The passive, mono set that I have (Sigtronics) are reversible. The stereo,
ANR set (also Sigtronics) is not. If DC got it right, then I assume that
switching the boom and cord also switches the left and right (that is
switches it to keep it right).

My jacks are in the ceiling inbetween the seats. Even if they were on the
sides, I wouldn't pay the extra dollars just to be able to switch the cord
to the other side.

--
-------------------------------
Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK

[Travis Marlatte]

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> Peter,
>
>> MHO, it's the main problem with the Lightspeed headsets.
>>
>
> IMHO, it's a total non-issue. A matter of taste, maybe, but a deal
> killer? Come on!
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>

I would love to have ANR with switchable boom and switchable cord with
excellent noise cancelling performance and extremely comfortable for $59
tops. Any more than that and I start making concessions.

-------------------------------
Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK

[Travis Marlatte]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
k.net...
> I had a microphone fail on a DC headset that was five years out of
> warranty. I shipped it off to them with a letter asking for an estimate
> of the repair cost before they took any action. They didn't respond to
> the letter, I got the headset back about a week later. They had replaced
> the microphone as well as the ear pads (which I hadn't mentioned and
> didn't think needed replacement) and shipped it back to me, no charge.
> I've heard many similar stories from other pilots about David Clark, I
> can't recall hearing any about any other headset manufacturer.
>

That may show that they take care of their customers but I don't find that
to be a convincing argument to pay their price. The basic conclusion is that
they over price their headsets so that they can extend warranty repairs. I'd
rather pay a little less for the headset than pay for your repairs.

I've had a Sigtronics passive for about 10 years and never had to have
anything replaced. I keep waiting for it to break so that I can replace it
with an ANR.
-------------------------------
Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK

[Thomas Borchert]

Steven,

> I can't
> recall hearing any about any other headset manufacturer.
>

Then I suggest you google this group a little. You'll both find reports
about most other manufacturers doing repairs for free as well as
reports on DC charging for repairs.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Buttman,

> They
> always seem to go out at the most inopportune times.
>

You have a point there. OTOH, two comments:

1. with a headset wired for ship's power, you lose the ability to hop
in a friend's plane and use your own headset.
2. changing batteries in flight takes all of 1 minute.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Steven P. McNicoll[_1_]]

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
>
> Then I suggest you google this group a little. You'll both find reports
> about most other manufacturers doing repairs for free as well as
> reports on DC charging for repairs.
>

Poppycock.

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
Thomas Borchert > wrote:

> 1. with a headset wired for ship's power, you lose the ability to hop
> in a friend's plane and use your own headset.

fyi - my DC ANR headset is panel-powered. However, I also have the
battery pack so I can use the headset in any aircraft.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Thomas Borchert]

Steven,

> Poppycock.
>

Time to get back to kindergarten, Stevie.

But ok, I'll do the research for you. Here are some examples. Yes,
that's what's called "backing up a statement".


Bela P. Havasreti > wrote:

> I just sent a 16-year old DC headset back for repairs (it had
> intermittent wiring / audio problems). I bought it new 16 years ago.
> Guess I ain't as lucky as some other folks here on the list, 'cause
> DC offered to repair the headset for $79 + shipping (a 5-year
> warranty time-span limit was mentioned in the "repair estimate"
e-mail
> reply from a DC customer service representative).

Oh, good. Then it wasn't just me.

Simular story, although my story is dated as a couple of years ago. I
think the
era of DC "all fixed, no questions asked" policy is long past.


http://groups.google.de/group/rec.aviation.owning/browse_thread/thread/
f5b1d4161d693171/fd0fb20a1e476bdb?lnk=st&q=aviation+headset+repair+poli
cy&rnum=5&hl=de#fd0fb20a1e476bdb

http://groups.google.de/group/rec.aviation.piloting/browse_thread/threa
d/ba59517f8ff75a2e/054300ae8ef1e96e?lnk=st&q=aviation+headset+repair+po
licy&rnum=6&hl=de#054300ae8ef1e96e



--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR



--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Bob,

> fyi - my DC ANR headset is panel-powered. However, I also have the
> battery pack so I can use the headset in any aircraft.
>

That's a smart solution. Bose and Lightspeed don't offer that, AFAIK.
Not sure about Sennheiser, but I think it's either/or with them, too.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Allen[_1_]]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Dear sir,
> I m starting my flight training very soon.
>
> I need some help in deciding a wersatile headset.
> my budget is 300 $
>
> Thank u very much..

Pick up a used DC H10-40 somewhere for cheap and put in the noise cancelling
from Headsets, Inc. I have a set I did that to 15 years ago, still works
great!

Allen

[Newps]

Thomas Borchert wrote:


> Bela P. Havasreti > wrote:
>
>
>>I just sent a 16-year old DC headset back for repairs (it had
>>intermittent wiring / audio problems). I bought it new 16 years ago.
>>Guess I ain't as lucky as some other folks here on the list, 'cause
>>DC offered to repair the headset for $79 + shipping (a 5-year
>>warranty time-span limit was mentioned in the "repair estimate"
>
> e-mail
>
>>reply from a DC customer service representative).
>
>
> Oh, good. Then it wasn't just me.
>
> Simular story, although my story is dated as a couple of years ago. I
> think the
> era of DC "all fixed, no questions asked" policy is long past.


Same thing happened to me in 1998. Sent my H10-13.4 back to them for a
bent plug. They charged me for the plug and shipping.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote
>
> 1. with a headset wired for ship's power, you lose the ability to hop
> in a friend's plane and use your own headset.
> 2. changing batteries in flight takes all of 1 minute.

Or, you could use rechargeable batteries, keep some on trickle charge, and grab
a fresh set and install them before you take off. Not much effort involved, and
you don't have to change them during flight.
--
Jim in NC

[Peter Clark]

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:12:40 +0100, Thomas Borchert
> wrote:

>Bob,
>
>> fyi - my DC ANR headset is panel-powered. However, I also have the
>> battery pack so I can use the headset in any aircraft.
>>
>
>That's a smart solution. Bose and Lightspeed don't offer that, AFAIK.
>Not sure about Sennheiser, but I think it's either/or with them, too.

You can buy a panel-power cord and either/or the Bose too.

[buttman]

Thomas Borchert wrote:

> 1. with a headset wired for ship's power, you lose the ability to hop
> in a friend's plane and use your own headset.

Wait, what? I thought panel powered just meant it worked just like
normal headsets, just without the batteries... You mean panel powered
headsets are permanently wired into the airplane?

[Thomas Borchert]

Peter,

> You can buy a panel-power cord and either/or the Bose too.
>

Yep.I think the cord is aounr 250 or 300 bucks. Practical?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Buttman,

> You mean panel powered
> headsets are permanently wired into the airplane?
>

No, but most use a different tpye of plug for panel power. E.g. for the
Bose, you can switch the cable assembly, but it takes a screw driver -
and 250 bucks or so for the "other" cable. LS also uses a different
plug.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)