What's up with this group lately?

[Judah]

Is it just me, or is there a full moon out or something?!?!

Between RADICALLY wild posts about gay marriage and nuking the Middle East,
and Belfort Instruments guy with more idiot posts in the last few days than
usual, I think there must be full moon out, and everyone is going looney.


Maybe it's the lousy weather and everyone is just ****ed off that they are
stuck inside.

I flew yesterday. Maybe I'll post about it.

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

Judah wrote:
> Is it just me, or is there a full moon out or something?!?!

There actually was a full moon last week. <G>

FWIW, my other favorite groups have been a bit contentious, as well.

[Jay Honeck]

> Maybe it's the lousy weather and everyone is just ****ed off that they are
> stuck inside.

Now that you mention it, conditions here are 1/4 mile with indefinite
ceiling, and our flight to the avionics shop today is cancelled.
So...here I am!

I've noticed that no matter what you post about lately, the
conversation eventually turns into "Bush is an idiot" and "the only
good Muslim is a dead Muslim". Thread drift lately is just crazy.

I've come up with a new theory about thread drift, BTW. Think about it
like a Quija board -- everything appears mystical and inexplicable, yet
results are related to what people are already thinking when they sit
down at the board. It's the same here.

For example, when Hotze and Borchardt sit down at their keyboard, they
may have just got through watching another European media attack on
President Bush and Americans -- so they like to throw in a few parting
shots at him and us, no matter *what* the thread is about.

Gary is hair-trigger loaded regarding the gay rights agenda -- so he
tends to head in that direction, regardless of topic. Several people
are worried about the election results, so off in that direction we go.


End result: A thread about getting thrown out of an FBO ends up
arguing about the homosexual agenda, and nuking the Middle East. A
writer couldn't dream up a plot as goofy as that, but there you have
it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Lou]

I'll give it a shot.

[Kevin Clarke]

I think they call it the internet. :^)

Weather here is very very socked in and has been that way since Sunday
morning. Not sure when it is going to clear.

KFIT 141252Z AUTO 34006KT 3SM BR OVC007 10/09 A2976 RMK AO2 RAB1155E50
SLP081 P0003 T01000089

At least the rain ended for now. It was actually worse yesterday. I
gotta get back up and finish up my IFR training. Check ride is coming up
pretty soon. I need about 8 more hours of actual or sim.

Last flight (KFIT->KSFZ->KSFM->KBHB->KFIT) took me to 168 hrs total
time. That is exactly 1 week in the air. :^) Between my UAL, AA and
private hours I figure I have lived a little over 4 mos of my life in
the air.

As for the loonies, it is the internet equivalent of street crazies. It
can draw a wry smile and a shake of the head but we all walk away saying
there but for the grace of God go I.

KC



Judah wrote:
> Is it just me, or is there a full moon out or something?!?!
>
> Between RADICALLY wild posts about gay marriage and nuking the Middle East,
> and Belfort Instruments guy with more idiot posts in the last few days than
> usual, I think there must be full moon out, and everyone is going looney.
>
>
> Maybe it's the lousy weather and everyone is just ****ed off that they are
> stuck inside.
>
> I flew yesterday. Maybe I'll post about it.

[Peter R.]

Jay Honeck > wrote:

> I've noticed that no matter what you post about lately, the
> conversation eventually turns into "Bush is an idiot" and "the only
> good Muslim is a dead Muslim". Thread drift lately is just crazy.

What, and you aren't guilty of seeding the threads to drift as they do? ;)

--
Peter

[Jim Burns[_1_]]

>Judah" > wrote in message<snip>
> Maybe it's the lousy weather and everyone is just ****ed off that they are
> stuck inside.
>

Could be, I think it hit me earlier when the Direct TV guys rescheduled 7
times on me.

Jim

[Thomas Borchert]

Judah,

I agree with your assessment (sp?). However, looking at how some people
even hijack this thread to insult group members while hiding behind
their "simple explanations of a plain guy" mask, I am clueless at an
explanation. Genocide and lynching is openly advocated here with only a
trace of opposition, personal if dyslexic attacks have become the norm.
Sad.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Judah]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
oups.com:

> Now that you mention it, conditions here are 1/4 mile with indefinite
> ceiling, and our flight to the avionics shop today is cancelled.
> So...here I am!

See, now I have to write up my story about my flight yesterday. I'm hoping
it will move you to finish up your IFR! :)

> I've noticed that no matter what you post about lately, the
> conversation eventually turns into "Bush is an idiot" and "the only
> good Muslim is a dead Muslim". Thread drift lately is just crazy.

We've always had thread drift in this group - including Bush beatings and
political and religious debate. It seems to have gotten much more viscious
and personal lately, though.

> I've come up with a new theory about thread drift, BTW. Think about it
> like a Quija board -- everything appears mystical and inexplicable, yet
> results are related to what people are already thinking when they sit
> down at the board. It's the same here.

Sounds like a Carl Jung theory... You should call it 'Usenet
Synchronicity'. ;)

[Peter R.]

Thomas Borchert > wrote:

> Genocide and lynching is openly advocated here with only a
> trace of opposition

A lack of a response in this group does not always indicate an acceptance
of a presented view.


--
Peter

[Judah]

Kevin Clarke > wrote in :

> Weather here is very very socked in and has been that way since Sunday
> morning. Not sure when it is going to clear.
>
> KFIT 141252Z AUTO 34006KT 3SM BR OVC007 10/09 A2976 RMK AO2 RAB1155E50
> SLP081 P0003 T01000089
>
> At least the rain ended for now. It was actually worse yesterday. I
> gotta get back up and finish up my IFR training. Check ride is coming up
> pretty soon. I need about 8 more hours of actual or sim.

Yesterday would have been a wonderful day to get a couple hours of actual
with your instructor! Although it was a bit windy underneath, it was pretty
smooth in the clouds and on top (about 6-8k).

Get the IFR and then you will be eager to fly on days like yesterday!

[Jay Honeck]

> I agree with your assessment (sp?). However, looking at how some people
> even hijack this thread to insult group members while hiding behind
> their "simple explanations of a plain guy" mask, I am clueless at an
> explanation.

Sorry, I didn't mean to single you out -- you and Martin were just
examples of what we're ALL guilty of. Thus the "Quija Board" theory.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Kevin Clarke]

Judah wrote:
>
> Yesterday would have been a wonderful day to get a couple hours of actual
> with your instructor! Although it was a bit windy underneath, it was pretty
> smooth in the clouds and on top (about 6-8k).
>
> Get the IFR and then you will be eager to fly on days like yesterday!

Actually right now would be perfect as well. Unfortunately my instructor
just took a part 135 job in Ct so I am currently not in a committed
relationship! :^ ) I've got 2.2 of actual. I think it is fun. A little
vertigo the first time I punched a hole in a cloud. But I got used to
it. The training really matters. Scan scan scan.

KC

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Peter R. wrote:
> Thomas Borchert > wrote:
>
>> Genocide and lynching is openly advocated here with only a
>> trace of opposition
>
> A lack of a response in this group does not always indicate an acceptance
> of a presented view.


Exactly right. When the "Thrown out of a FBO" thread got politicized, I stopped
reading it. There must have been dozens of messages I never even glanced at....
no telling what I missed. Restoration of the Third Reich? Pol Pot's preferred
sexual positions? Who knows?

I nuked Numbnuts for .... this?



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Neil Gould]

Recently, Thomas Borchert > posted:
>
> Genocide and lynching is openly advocated here
> with only a trace of opposition,
>
As there are many participants from the US, it should be understood that
we have no basic quarrel with genocide or lynching...

Neil

[Thomas Borchert]

Peter,

> A lack of a response in this group does not always indicate an acceptance
> of a presented view.
>
Sure. But IMHO there are some views that should elicit a responce from a
majority of the group here in order to save its civility.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Jay,

> Sorry, I didn't mean to single you out
>

Somehow, I doubt that. Next time, take yourself as an example. You
started that thread and numerous other that degenerated in the same
way.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Neil,

> As there are many participants from the US, it should be understood that
> we have no basic quarrel with genocide or lynching...
>

You have a point there.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Allen[_1_]]

"Neil Gould" > wrote in message
...
> Recently, Thomas Borchert > posted:
>>
>> Genocide and lynching is openly advocated here
>> with only a trace of opposition,
>>
> As there are many participants from the US, it should be understood that
> we have no basic quarrel with genocide or lynching...
>
> Neil

I am not sure what you mean here Neil but I for one DO have a problem with
genocide and lynching!

Allen

[Blanche]

I've noticed an increase in spam email, too. An order of magnitude!
Altho I've got 2 or 3 spam filters on my email (depending on the
address) that send the spam to /dev/null, I always check the count,
just out of curiousity. "debora????" has been incredibly prolific
trying to push scam stocks the past week or so.

Monday morning I had over 150 spam email (fortunately, sent to /dev/null)
Even then, 3-5 still got thru 3 layers of filters!

[Blanche]

Thomas Borchert > wrote:
>Peter,
>
>> A lack of a response in this group does not always indicate an acceptance
>> of a presented view.
>>
>Sure. But IMHO there are some views that should elicit a responce from a
>majority of the group here in order to save its civility.

Internet civility.

A new oxymoron?

[Gary Drescher]

"Allen" > wrote in message
t...
>
> "Neil Gould" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Recently, Thomas Borchert > posted:
>>>
>>> Genocide and lynching is openly advocated here
>>> with only a trace of opposition,
>>>
>> As there are many participants from the US, it should be understood that
>> we have no basic quarrel with genocide or lynching...
>>
>> Neil
>
> I am not sure what you mean here Neil but I for one DO have a problem with
> genocide and lynching!

Don't worry, Neil was being ironic. He objects just as you and I do.

--Gary

[Neil Gould]

Recently, Allen > posted:

> "Neil Gould" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Recently, Thomas Borchert > posted:
>>>
>>> Genocide and lynching is openly advocated here
>>> with only a trace of opposition,
>>>
>> As there are many participants from the US, it should be understood
>> that we have no basic quarrel with genocide or lynching...
>>
>> Neil
>
> I am not sure what you mean here Neil but I for one DO have a problem
> with genocide and lynching!
>
As do I, but as a citizen of a country that has lynched many people (even
within my lifetime) and does nothing in the face of on-going genocide in
various parts of the world, I am forced to recognize the truth about our
cultural values.

Neil

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:50:59 +0100, Thomas Borchert > wrote in >:

>> A lack of a response in this group does not always indicate an acceptance
>> of a presented view.

>Sure. But IMHO there are some views that should elicit a responce from a
>majority of the group here in order to save its civility.

Flaming trolls tends to breed more trolls and flames.

Great article here, with links to others:

http://lipas.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/crackpot.html

Marty
--
The Big-8 hierarchies (comp, humanities, misc, news, rec, sci, soc, talk)
are under new management. See http://www.big-8.org for details.

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Blanche wrote:
> I've noticed an increase in spam email, too. An order of magnitude!
> Altho I've got 2 or 3 spam filters on my email (depending on the
> address) that send the spam to /dev/null, I always check the count,
> just out of curiousity. "debora????" has been incredibly prolific
> trying to push scam stocks the past week or so.
>
> Monday morning I had over 150 spam email (fortunately, sent to /dev/null)
> Even then, 3-5 still got thru 3 layers of filters!


Think Cloudmark. When I get the occasional spam, I block it. Cloudmark reports
back to its server and that spammer gets blocked from *all* user's inboxes.
Since I've signed up, I get on average 6 spam mails a day; at least 5 of the 6
are properly identified as spam and maybe 1 message a day slips though. As for
the hundreds of spam messages the average user seems to get every day, I don't
even download them... I assume because of the Cloudmark database.

This was the only filter I found that was able to nuke those sneaky little gifs
that sell Viagra, etc. Now my only message rules are those distributing my
email to various folders.

As an added plus, I don't get phishing messages any more, either.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Gary Drescher]

"Judah" > wrote in message
. ..
> Is it just me, or is there a full moon out or something?!?!

In all fairness, I have to admit that it was Mike's torrent of vapid
personal taunts that seems to have ignited (or at least accelerated) the
current firestorm. Such posts discredit him and his cause, and I wish he'd
cut it out or join the other side.

But regardless of the trigger, the recent squabbles and insults are in a
completely different moral universe from Grumman's advocacy of the literal
extermination of Muslims, and his threat to lynch US Muslims himself with
his "truck and chain".

More than anything else in this conversation, Grumman's remarks (and the
various reactions and non-reactions to them) reveal the true nature of this
country's cultural divide.

--Gary

[Gary Drescher]

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:50:59 +0100, Thomas Borchert
> > wrote in >:
>
>>> A lack of a response in this group does not always indicate an
>>> acceptance
>>> of a presented view.
>
>>Sure. But IMHO there are some views that should elicit a responce from a
>>majority of the group here in order to save its civility.
>
> Flaming trolls tends to breed more trolls and flames.

It depends. When the group is invaded by a random outsider who makes a
provocative post, silence may indeed be appropriate. (For instance, the
Belfort ravings are universally ignored, and properly so.)

But when a bona fide member of the group advocates exterminating Muslims and
threatens to lynch them, it is unconscionable for people participating in
that conversation to let the remarks pass.

--Gary

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:39:14 -0500, "Gary Drescher" > wrote in
>:

> ... But when a bona fide member of the group advocates exterminating Muslims and
>threatens to lynch them, it is unconscionable for people participating in
>that conversation to let the remarks pass.

If you feel you have to respond, perhaps you could
use one of the flags to show that you understand
that the material quoted and the reply itself
are off-topic (OT), politics (POL), or otherwise
a part of thread drift (META).

As a general rule, one person's "mission posting"
is another person's troll.

Marty
--
The Big-8 hierarchies (comp, humanities, misc, news, rec, sci, soc, talk)
are under new management. See http://www.big-8.org for details.

[Peter Duniho]

"Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
. ..
> [...]
> But when a bona fide member of the group advocates exterminating Muslims
> and threatens to lynch them, it is unconscionable for people participating
> in that conversation to let the remarks pass.

"Participating" being a key point. I don't think that's what Thomas was
saying...he seems to expect each and every newsgroup participant who sees an
abominable statement like that to respond with a disagreement.

I agree that if you are in a discussion and let something like that just go
unanswered, that's tacit approval. But for someone not engaged in the
discussion at hand (and this includes even if they are engaged in some other
portion of the thread...we've had two, three, sometimes more levels of
bifurcation in a single thread and it's unreasonable to expect everyone
participating in one branch to monitor and/or respond to other branches), I
don't see any reason to expect a response.

Pete

[Peter Duniho]

"Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
. ..
> [...]
> More than anything else in this conversation, Grumman's remarks (and the
> various reactions and non-reactions to them) reveal the true nature of
> this country's cultural divide.

Ironically, they don't seem to help reveal the true nature of the "enemy's"
cultural divide. People such as him don't seem to recognize that the exact
same variation in values exists in other countries and cultures. That it's
simply not true that every Muslim is out for blood, just as it's not true
that every American is out for blood.

It's like the dog barking at the mirror, who just doesn't get that the fear
and aggression he's seeing is just himself.

Pete

[Peter R.]

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote:

> There must have been dozens of messages I never even glanced at...

Exactly.

> no telling what I missed. Restoration of the Third Reich? Pol Pot's preferred
> sexual positions? Who knows?

LOL! :)

--
Peter

[Judah]

Kevin Clarke > wrote in
nk.net:

> Actually right now would be perfect as well. Unfortunately my instructor
> just took a part 135 job in Ct so I am currently not in a committed
> relationship! :^ ) I've got 2.2 of actual. I think it is fun. A little
> vertigo the first time I punched a hole in a cloud. But I got used to
> it. The training really matters. Scan scan scan.

Get yourself another instructor pronto! :)

And yes, the training - and the currency - are really important. The scan
needs to be second nature otherwise you can find yourself in trouble at just
the wrong times - getting up or getting down. If you haven't flown
instruments in a few months, you can lose that second nature for a few
minutes - perhaps long enough to get yourself into trouble...

[Judah]

Blanche > wrote in news:1163521432.182812
@irys.nyx.net:

> I've noticed an increase in spam email, too. An order of magnitude!
> Altho I've got 2 or 3 spam filters on my email (depending on the
> address) that send the spam to /dev/null, I always check the count,
> just out of curiousity. "debora????" has been incredibly prolific
> trying to push scam stocks the past week or so.
>
> Monday morning I had over 150 spam email (fortunately, sent to /dev/null)
> Even then, 3-5 still got thru 3 layers of filters!
>

Find yourself an ISP with BoxTrapper.

[Jay Honeck]

> > Sorry, I didn't mean to single you out
> >
> Somehow, I doubt that. Next time, take yourself as an example. You
> started that thread and numerous other that degenerated in the same
> way.

LOL. Coming from you, that's pretty funny. We're all still waiting
for the day when you start a thread here that has ANYTHING to do with
"piloting". Just one lousy story about a beautiful flight, or one
short tale of a great $100 hamburger would be nice.

As others have stated, these threads stray from their original topics
only when you (and a select few others) post your vitriolic, off-topic
comments. Response then leads to counter-response, and soon we're
talking about nuking the Middle East, gay marriage, or President Bush.

It's disgusting, and it's not what this group is supposed to be about.
I feel bad that I'm guilty of following you down this primrose path.

Tell you what: I'll buy you beer at OSH if you can start just ten (10)
threads about your piloting experiences -- and only about piloting --
between now and OSH '07, without straying into politics.

That's just one *real* post every 3 weeks, or so.

Deal?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> It's like the dog barking at the mirror, who just doesn't get that the fear
> and aggression he's seeing is just himself.

Well put.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> Peter,
>
>> A lack of a response in this group does not always indicate an acceptance
>> of a presented view.
>>
> Sure. But IMHO there are some views that should elicit a responce from a
> majority of the group here in order to save its civility.

It _is_ damn hard to respond, when you stopped reading the whole thread, a
while back.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Gary Drescher" > wrote

> But when a bona fide member of the group advocates exterminating Muslims and
> threatens to lynch them, it is unconscionable for people participating in that
> conversation to let the remarks pass.

One more time, and understand this, you can't respond when you stopped reading
the thread.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Gary Drescher" > wrote
>
> More than anything else in this conversation, Grumman's remarks (and the
> various reactions and non-reactions to them) reveal the true nature of this
> country's cultural divide.

Once again, you can not respond if you are not reading the thread. Besides, one
person's radical views are not a sign of a whole people's views. If that were
the case, we would all in perpetually place the Germans on a bad list, right?
--
Jim in NC

[[email protected]]

Judah > wrote:
> Is it just me, or is there a full moon out or something?!?!

I have an observation based on another newsgroup. Around 8 years ago,
I was idly thinking about going skydiving, and followed the group
rec.skydiving for a while. I recall there was the standard baseline
amount of arguments and such that you get on any Usenet newsgroup, but
mostly it was people talking about the jumps they'd been on, discussing
the gear, techniques, places to jump, etc. Life happened and I didn't
end up jumping at that time.

Fast forward to about two years ago. I get interested again and go back
to rec.skydiving to check it out. Just looking at the recent and new
articles, the group seemed to consist of three or four people flaming
each other. I dug into the archives at Google a little and found that
most of the discussion was now taking place in the forums on a Web site.
I checked out that site and ended up becoming a fairly active member of
the forums. I don't like the interface of most web-based forums - the
first requrirement for designing one seems to be to throw away everything
learned from 20+ years of Usenet on how to have an online group
discussion - but in this case, I wanted the content enough to put up
with the interface.

Like most Web sites with forums, there are several topical forums - one
for general discussions (like r.a.piloting), several for specific
subtopics (like r.a.ifr or r.a.homebuilt), even some in languages other
than English. There are also two forums for "off topic" discussion.
One is for general chat, and the other is for debate on topics that are
often controversial - religion, politics, guns, etc. The (volunteer)
moderators on the site are not bashful about moving a post, thread, or
part of a thread from one forum to another if the content changes
drastically, so the forums stay pretty much on topic.

The forum software displays the grand total number of posts on the main
page of the forums. This January it hit two million posts. I was bored
(winter weather, so no jumping) and decided to do a little analysis of
the post counts, thread length, etc in the various forums, and I found
something very interesting: About two-thirds of the posts on the site
were in the "general chat" and "controversial issues" forums. In other
words, around 66% of the discussion on the site had _little or nothing_
to do with jumping. My first thought was "I wonder why the guy that runs
this site puts up with this... two-thirds of the posts aren't even on
topic!" But then I realized - if you _don't_ have those forums for "off
topic" posts, people _will_ make them anyway in the forums that _are_
available. I think this is what you are seeing in r.a.piloting right now.

Usenet sort of has a mechanism for this. The talk.* groups are designed
for the kinds of debates that go around and around quite heatedly, like
religion, politics, guns, etc. People could post messages there if they
wanted, but since those groups tend to attract vocal supporters on all
sides of a question, it's not a good place to post if you want lots of
people to agree with you. What I think happens is that posters in a
newsgroup like r.a.piloting see that other posters mostly share their
views on the main topic (aviation) and then assume that other posters
will also mostly share their views on other topics, including
controversial ones. So they include "off topic" comments in their posts
with the expectation that many other posters will agree with them.
Sometimes these comments arise out of discussions about flying - in most
countries, if you fly, you have to interact with the government at some
level, which easily leads to comments about government, politics, etc.
Other such comments come out of left field somewhere. No matter where
they come from, the result is the same - the original poster gets
surprised when the other posters turn out to have the same wide range of
opinions that people in general have.

Understand that I am not singling out any one poster or group of posters
here. I think that assuming that those who share your views on one
topic will also share your views on other topics is a "human nature"
thing that everybody does to some degree. I'm not sure if this is
something you will ever be able to fix in software. I am specifically
_not_ suggesting moderation of all of the rec.aviation.* groups, nor am
I suggesting that the discussion on the rec.aviation.* groups be moved
to Web site forums instead. Putting things like "OT" or "POL" in the
subject line works for a little while but then gradually becomes
ineffective. One informal metric that I use here is that when a thread
has more than about 30 posts, it's probably past the end of its useful
life, but I have seen much shorter "useless" threads and much longer
"useful" ones.

Or, if all of the above is too deep, just take it as part of the natural
ebb and flow of the newsgroups. Or even simpler: This too shall pass.

Matt Roberds

[Jose[_1_]]

> The (volunteer) moderators on the site are

Bingo. A (well) moderated group will not have an off-topic posting
problem because those off topic posts will be moved or labeled, and the
subject lines are likely to remain useful. The off topic discussion can
continue but the whole thing is far more organized. Absent moderation,
individual posters have to do it themselves. Cats are easier to herd.

But if we want it, we can be more proactive with subject lines and
prepends. We'll accomplish the same result, and do it on Usenet,
without resorting to another group.

> What I think happens is that posters in a
> newsgroup like r.a.piloting see that other posters mostly share their
> views on the main topic (aviation) and then assume that other posters
> will also mostly share their views on other topics, including
> controversial ones.

I think there's also the fact that the OT topics that come up here have
profoundly affected aviation, and are thus of special interest to
pilots. Also, as we get to know each other, we are interested in each
other's views on things. Personally, I am not at all surprised that
other people don't agree with me. After all, I =am= the most
enlightened one. <g,d>

> I'm not sure if this is
> something you will ever be able to fix in software.

No. Just wetware.

> Putting things like "OT" or "POL" in the
> subject line works for a little while but then gradually becomes
> ineffective.

I think we just forget. We can all be more aggressive in changing
subject lines. How does this affect (or break) threading?

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Thomas Borchert]

Peter,

> don't think that's what Thomas was
> saying...he seems to expect each and every newsgroup participant who sees an
> abominable statement like that to respond with a disagreement.
>

Well, you might define "seeing" as "participating". ;-)

But no, I had the participants in mind. We had zero or maybe one opposing post.
We had more participants...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Morgans,

> It _is_ damn hard to respond, when you stopped reading the whole thread, a
> while back.
>

I know.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Jay,

Tell YOU what: I'll send you a case of beer if you prove the following of
your statements:

> We're all still waiting
> for the day when you start a thread here that has ANYTHING to do with
> "piloting".

Show me one thread I _started_ that didn't have anything to do with
piloting. Not one that I simply participated in, but one that I started.
>
> As others have stated, these threads stray from their original topics
> only when you (and a select few others) post your vitriolic, off-topic
> comments.

And again: Show me. Show me threads that started to go off-topic as a
result of _my_ post. Threads that were on topic until I came in.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Gary Drescher]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gary Drescher" > wrote
>>
>> More than anything else in this conversation, Grumman's remarks (and the
>> various reactions and non-reactions to them) reveal the true nature of
>> this country's cultural divide.
>
> Once again, you can not respond if you are not reading the thread.

Agreed. I was referring in particular to people who felt moved to comment on
what they regarded as bad behavior during that conversation--but who only
listed other, much less serious transgressions, not mentioning the most
spectacular one.

--Gary

[AJ]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> I've noticed that no matter what you post about lately, the
> conversation eventually turns into "Bush is an idiot" and "the only
> good Muslim is a dead Muslim".

True. You hardly ever see a post about the Teapot Dome Scandal anymore
.....

AJ

[Don Tuite]

The problem is that too many people in the NG care enough about the
topics? They're posting too much? We need an NG Mussolini to make
the planes run on time?

Agreed, rec.guns must have a moderator, lest the NG be hijacked by
outsiders with agendas. Works very well for them. But here?

Don

[Morgans[_2_]]

>> Putting things like "OT" or "POL" in the
>> subject line works for a little while but then gradually becomes
>> ineffective.
>
> I think we just forget. We can all be more aggressive in changing subject
> lines. How does this affect (or break) threading?

Changing the subject line (like by adding OT or POL) does not change the
threading in any way. The key is that the people participating in the argument
have to be the ones to add it, or they just skip your changed subject post.
--
Jim in NC

[Dave[_5_]]

The answer is obvious - this Group has run out of worthwhile things to
talk about.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Dave" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> The answer is obvious - this Group has run out of worthwhile things to
> talk about.

Nope. Too many people with good things to talk about have left, until the
cementhead leaves.
--
Jim in NC

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:35:22 -0800, Lou wrote:
> I'll give it a shot.

Ahhh... So this is going to morph into a gun thread? Cool... OK, what caliber?

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"Judah" > wrote in message
. ..
> Blanche > wrote in news:1163521432.182812
>> I've noticed an increase in spam email, too. An order of magnitude!
>> Altho I've got 2 or 3 spam filters on my email (depending on the
>> address) that send the spam to /dev/null, I always check the count,
>> just out of curiousity. "debora????" has been incredibly prolific
>> trying to push scam stocks the past week or so.
>>
>> Monday morning I had over 150 spam email (fortunately, sent to /dev/null)
>> Even then, 3-5 still got thru 3 layers of filters!

I get absolutely no spam email to my home email address. I get maybe 1 spam
email to my work email address every 4 weeks. I have no filters in place.Why
do you guys get so much?
Oz/Crash Lander

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:18:04 +0000, Crash Lander wrote:
> I get absolutely no spam email to my home email address. I get maybe 1
> spam email to my work email address every 4 weeks. I have no filters in
> place.Why do you guys get so much?

Posting with an unmunged email address will do it... So will having your
email address listed in your contact info for a domain... I probably get
200 or so spam emails a day to my main email account... Probably another
100 to an account that I never use...
--
"Is it possible for the voices in my head to use email from now on?"

[Jay Honeck]

> Posting with an unmunged email address will do it... So will having your
> email address listed in your contact info for a domain... I probably get
> 200 or so spam emails a day to my main email account... Probably another
> 100 to an account that I never use...

Wow! My email addresses are EVERYWHERE -- on our website, here, etc.
-- in an undisguised form, and I don't receive anywhere near that many
spam emails. I get may 10% that many.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Larry Dighera]

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:03:08 GMT, Grumman-581
> wrote in
>:

> I probably get
>200 or so spam emails a day to my main email account... Probably another
>100 to an account that I never use...

You need to investigate your ISP's spam blocking feature.