I've had it with Chinese tools!

[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

I've had it with the El Cheapo Corp. tools I've been buying from vendors at
OSH and other places. When I really need them to deliver, they break or fail
to work as they should.

I need a set of QUALITY safety wire pliers (like the great ones we used to
use in the Marines in the late 70's and 80's, damn things always worked
perfectly), snips, needle nose pliers, wire cutters, etc. I'm not looking
for fancy displays at airshows or chrome plated crap or paying money for
brand names, I want reliable tools that I can rely on when I need them to do
their jobs.

Comments? Suggestions?



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[Daniel]

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .

> I need a set of QUALITY safety wire pliers (like the great ones we used to
> use in the Marines in the late 70's and 80's, damn things always worked

I have no idea what the marines use but I've never had a better tool than
anything made in the U.S. by Klein tools.

Try this link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?V5963493E

[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

At $100 a pop for the smallest set of safety wire pliers? I don't think so.
I am not interested in subsidizing airshow display trailers and parties,
performer sponsorships, etc. What I want is realiable tools at reasonable
prices.

"Daniel" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>> I need a set of QUALITY safety wire pliers (like the great ones we used
>> to use in the Marines in the late 70's and 80's, damn things always
>> worked
>
> I have no idea what the marines use but I've never had a better tool than
> anything made in the U.S. by Klein tools.
>
> Try this link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?V5963493E
>



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[Daniel]

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
> At $100 a pop for the smallest set of safety wire pliers? I don't think
> so. I am not interested in subsidizing airshow display trailers and
> parties, performer sponsorships, etc. What I want is realiable tools at
> reasonable prices.

Ok, you might try ebay for a used pair, in truth most quality tool
manufacturers are having trouble because everyone is shopping for price. I
can vouch for these as well worth the money, you won't find better anywhere.
I've never regretted buying quality tools. I have regretted the money spent
on poor tools before I broke down and opened the wallet.

[Lou]

You can't do better than Klien's for pliers along with other tools.
Unfortunatly it takes quite a while to afford to replace everything you
need now. If you want a good quality tool go to Ace hardware, buy the
Ace hardware brand. These are good tools and just like craftsman, they
are guaranteed for life (not many people know this). I rarely have a
problem with them and they don't cost an arm and a leg..
Lou

[Capt.Doug]

>"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
> I've had it with the El Cheapo Corp. tools I've been buying from vendors
at
> OSH and other places. When I really need them to deliver, they break or
fail
> to work as they should.

I bought my safety-wire pliers off the Snap-On truck 26 years ago. The
initial cost is pricey, but amortized over 26 years plus another couple of
decades of expected usage, the cost is a bargain. The next best option for
me is the Sears store, especially on the weekends when I don't want to drive
out to the Snap-On guy's house.

D.

[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

These are the same people who sell the Blue-Point cordless screwdrivers. I
had one for which I needed a diagram so I could put it together again after
I opened it to clean it (I let it sit for some time, should have taken
notes!). I tried no less than SIX times to get them to reply to emails to
customer service, through their web site. They never did, so I never do
business with them again.

I'm picky, I only do business with companies that don't just want to take my
money, but also are willing to support the products they sell. :)

"Capt.Doug" > wrote in message
...
> >"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
>> I've had it with the El Cheapo Corp. tools I've been buying from vendors
> at
>> OSH and other places. When I really need them to deliver, they break or
> fail
>> to work as they should.
>
> I bought my safety-wire pliers off the Snap-On truck 26 years ago. The
> initial cost is pricey, but amortized over 26 years plus another couple of
> decades of expected usage, the cost is a bargain. The next best option for
> me is the Sears store, especially on the weekends when I don't want to
> drive
> out to the Snap-On guy's house.
>
> D.
>
>



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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

Hmm. Does ACE have things like safety wire pliers?

"Lou" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> You can't do better than Klien's for pliers along with other tools.
> Unfortunatly it takes quite a while to afford to replace everything you
> need now. If you want a good quality tool go to Ace hardware, buy the
> Ace hardware brand. These are good tools and just like craftsman, they
> are guaranteed for life (not many people know this). I rarely have a
> problem with them and they don't cost an arm and a leg..
> Lou
>



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[Jim Burns]

http://www.aircraft-tool.com/atswho.htm

http://www.browntool.com/

Jim

[[email protected]]

When I needed a thin wall professional grade socket to remove the
connecting rod nuts on the big end of the con-rod of my Lyc O-360, the
only widely available socket that would fit in the small area of the
nut, was a 12 point tall socket from Sears. Even the Snap-on socket had
a larger outside diameter, and was too large to fit in the space
provided. YMMV

Bud

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> I've had it with the El Cheapo Corp. tools I've been buying from vendors at
> OSH and other places. When I really need them to deliver, they break or fail
> to work as they should.
>
> I need a set of QUALITY safety wire pliers (like the great ones we used to
> use in the Marines in the late 70's and 80's, damn things always worked
> perfectly), snips, needle nose pliers, wire cutters, etc. I'm not looking
> for fancy displays at airshows or chrome plated crap or paying money for
> brand names, I want reliable tools that I can rely on when I need them to do
> their jobs.
>
> Comments? Suggestions?
>
>
>
> --
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[[email protected]]

When I needed a thin wall professional grade socket to remove the
connecting rod nuts on the big end of the con-rod of my Lyc O-360, the
only widely available socket that would fit in the small area of the
nut, was a 12 point tall socket from Sears. Even the Snap-on socket had
a larger outside diameter, and was too large to fit in the space
provided. YMMV

Bud

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> I've had it with the El Cheapo Corp. tools I've been buying from vendors at
> OSH and other places. When I really need them to deliver, they break or fail
> to work as they should.
>
> I need a set of QUALITY safety wire pliers (like the great ones we used to
> use in the Marines in the late 70's and 80's, damn things always worked
> perfectly), snips, needle nose pliers, wire cutters, etc. I'm not looking
> for fancy displays at airshows or chrome plated crap or paying money for
> brand names, I want reliable tools that I can rely on when I need them to do
> their jobs.
>
> Comments? Suggestions?
>
>
>
> --
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[Rob Turk[_1_]]

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
> At $100 a pop for the smallest set of safety wire pliers? I don't think
> so. I am not interested in subsidizing airshow display trailers and
> parties, performer sponsorships, etc. What I want is realiable tools at
> reasonable prices.
>

The options are:
1. Cheap
2. Good quality
3. Works well
You get to choose two...

Good quality tools cost a lot of money. They are made for professionals who
make a living with them. For those, $100 isn't much for a set of tools that
save them a lot of time every day and allow them to deliver high quality
work.

For us with occasional use of these tools it may not make sense to buy them
new, so the new options are:
1. Buy second-hand
2. Rent from a high quality shop
3. Share by joining a builders club with good facilities and tools.

But as you already experienced, stay away from el-cheapo junk. It's
frustrating to work with and the result is usually disappointing too..

Rob

[Lou]

Good question. I'll have to wonder on in an look.
Lou



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[Steve Foley]

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
> Hmm. Does ACE have things like safety wire pliers?
>
Check Sears.

Their website shows an SK pair for $84.99, or Craftsman 6 and 9 inch for
$99.99.

When my father was a salesman for SK back in the early 70s, they had a
lifetime guarantee. He also told me horror stories about Chineese tools.
Basically, they don't heat treat them enough, because it's a slow, expensive
process.

[Dan[_2_]]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> Hmm. Does ACE have things like safety wire pliers?
>

For crying out loud, yawn, learn to safety by hand. I can safety one
handed in many places the pliers won't fit.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Owe R.]

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote
> I've had it with the El Cheapo Corp. tools. ....

Try Stahlwille, god German high quality tools.

[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"Rob Turk" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> At $100 a pop for the smallest set of safety wire pliers? I don't think
>> so. I am not interested in subsidizing airshow display trailers and
>> parties, performer sponsorships, etc. What I want is realiable tools at
>> reasonable prices.
>>
>
> The options are:
> 1. Cheap

I said reasonable, not cheap. :)

> Good quality tools cost a lot of money. They are made for professionals
> who make a living with them. For those, $100 isn't much for a set of tools
> that save them a lot of time every day and allow them to deliver high
> quality work.

Again, I said $100 for a _single_ small safety wire pliers is excessive. If
you can get me the SET for $100, I agree it's a good price.

> For us with occasional use of these tools it may not make sense to buy
> them new, so the new options are:
> 1. Buy second-hand
> 2. Rent from a high quality shop
> 3. Share by joining a builders club with good facilities and tools.

There's one more, frequent the pawn shops around large airports or large
aircraft maintenance or manufacture facilities. It worked well for me when I
lived in the DFW area but I live in the Caribbean now...

Juan



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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:Pci8h.3159$mM1.234@trndny08...
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> Hmm. Does ACE have things like safety wire pliers?
>>
> Check Sears.
>
> Their website shows an SK pair for $84.99, or Craftsman 6 and 9 inch for
> $99.99.

Each, or for the pair?

> When my father was a salesman for SK back in the early 70s, they had a
> lifetime guarantee. He also told me horror stories about Chineese tools.
> Basically, they don't heat treat them enough, because it's a slow,
> expensive process.

The SW pliers I bought suck because the tips don't even meet when you
tighten your grip. Part of it is my fault for not paying good attention when
I bought them.



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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"Dan" > wrote in message ...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> Hmm. Does ACE have things like safety wire pliers?
>>
>
> For crying out loud, yawn, learn to safety by hand. I can safety one
> handed in many places the pliers won't fit.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Sure, Dan, and wheels used to be made out of rock too. You go.



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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

Interesting, I'll go check it out. Thanks!

"Owe R." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote
>> I've had it with the El Cheapo Corp. tools. ....
>
> Try Stahlwille, god German high quality tools.
>
>



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[Steve Foley]

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .

>> Check Sears.
>>
>> Their website shows an SK pair for $84.99, or Craftsman 6 and 9 inch for
>> $99.99.
>
> Each, or for the pair?
>

For the pair. I can't find them seperately though.


> The SW pliers I bought suck because the tips don't even meet when you
> tighten your grip. Part of it is my fault for not paying good attention
> when I bought them.

Not familiar with SW. But if they have a lifetime guarantee, return them
saying they bent.

[Dan[_2_]]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Dan" > wrote in message ...
>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>> Hmm. Does ACE have things like safety wire pliers?
>>>
>> For crying out loud, yawn, learn to safety by hand. I can safety one
>> handed in many places the pliers won't fit.
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> Sure, Dan, and wheels used to be made out of rock too. You go.
>
>
>
You were complaining about quality, then complained about cost when
shown where to buy good quality. That leaves doing it by hand. I venture
to say you didn't save much time or energy using safety wire pliers on
your BD-5J paperweight over doing it by hand.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:Hpm8h.3236$_x3.2889@trndny02...
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>> Check Sears.
>>>
>>> Their website shows an SK pair for $84.99, or Craftsman 6 and 9 inch for
>>> $99.99.
>>
>> Each, or for the pair?
>>
> For the pair. I can't find them seperately though.

That is _much_ more reasonable. :)

>> The SW pliers I bought suck because the tips don't even meet when you
>> tighten your grip. Part of it is my fault for not paying good attention
>> when I bought them.
>
> Not familiar with SW. But if they have a lifetime guarantee, return them
> saying they bent.

No vendor at the OSH outdoor market offers any kind of guarantee, that I can
remember. :)



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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>> Hmm. Does ACE have things like safety wire pliers?
>>>>
>>> For crying out loud, yawn, learn to safety by hand. I can safety one
>>> handed in many places the pliers won't fit.
>>>
>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>
>> Sure, Dan, and wheels used to be made out of rock too. You go.
> You were complaining about quality, then complained about cost when shown
> where to buy good quality.

And your reading skills continue to drop, but that's about par for you.
You're still as irrelevant as ever.

Get over it, boy.



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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"Jim Stewart" > wrote in message
...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
>> At $100 a pop for the smallest set of safety wire pliers? I don't think
>> so. I am not interested in subsidizing airshow display trailers and
>> parties, performer sponsorships, etc. What I want is realiable tools at
>> reasonable prices.
>
> I feel your pain.
>
> 30 years ago, there was middle grades of tools
> that were reasonably priced and would last a
> lifetime. The middle ground seems to have
> disappeared.

Amen. That is very true.

> I'm still ok with the most expensive grade of
> Craftsman tools. They are not as good as they
> used to be, but are still better than most of
> the crap in hardware stores.
>
> As to the safety wire pliers, I'd expect to
> pay $100 for a quality pair. They are a low
> volume item and must be assembled from several
> parts. Even a decent pair of vicegrips cost
> $20 these days and they probably turn them
> out in the 100's of thousands.

I still can't see $100 for 6" safety wire pliers. $50, yes, but not much
more than that. I don't need fancy features like left or right hand, etc.
Just a good reliable tools is all I need.

> Keep an eye on military surplus sales. You
> might find the one you used in the Marines (:
> I'd certainly like to have the one that was
> in my toolbox in the Army.

Have you found these surplus sales in small qty's? I've seen some but they
come by the palletload. :)

Juan



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[Morgans[_2_]]

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote
>
>>> The SW pliers I bought suck because the tips don't even meet when you
>>> tighten your grip. Part of it is my fault for not paying good attention when
>>> I bought them.

They don't have to meet, if they are still able to grip the thinest piece of
safety wire you will use.

They do not have to be able to twist thread! <G>

Lineman's pliers are built like that. They do not meet, but still will grip
down to about 18 gauge wire.

> No vendor at the OSH outdoor market offers any kind of guarantee, that I can
> remember. :)

If they are a brand that Craftsman carries, take it to any Sears store. They
will replace them on the spot, no receipt, no questions asked.

At least that is my experience. It does not matter where you bought them.
Don't ask don't tell, or something like that!
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[Roger (K8RI)]

I find whether it's going to the big box stores or the local hardware
store it's difficult to find good tools outside of small hand tools.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[.Blueskies.]

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message .. .
: Hmm. Does ACE have things like safety wire pliers?
:
Any pair of pliers are safety wire pliers...used correctly. Oh, you mean twisters!


;-)

[Dan[_2_]]

Roger (K8RI) wrote:
> I find whether it's going to the big box stores or the local hardware
> store it's difficult to find good tools outside of small hand tools.
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
> www.rogerhalstead.com


I went with the brand names I remember using in the USAF. I paid the
going price when I had to, saved money when I could, but generally got
my money's worth. If I could still buy ribbed butt splices I would have
gone with Amp crimpers, as it was I went with DMC since I made a good
deal on e-bay for new.

Now that K-mart sells Craftsman there is an increased number of
locations to get replacements if that's the brand of hand tools one
prefers.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[jls]

Capt.Doug wrote:
> >"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
> > I've had it with the El Cheapo Corp. tools I've been buying from vendors
> at
> > OSH and other places. When I really need them to deliver, they break or
> fail
> > to work as they should.
>
> I bought my safety-wire pliers off the Snap-On truck 26 years ago. The
> initial cost is pricey, but amortized over 26 years plus another couple of
> decades of expected usage, the cost is a bargain. The next best option for
> me is the Sears store, especially on the weekends when I don't want to drive
> out to the Snap-On guy's house.
>
> D.

I just bought a set of Snap-On safety wire pliers. They were just over
$100 and reversible twist too. I got some smaller ones without a
return spring that work well too. Bought them at Osh several years
ago. Don't know the brand but I think they were made in Taiwan. If
they're made in Taiwan, not China, they're usually better quality. I
got a feeling the Chinese are getting a kick dumping junk on us for our
cash nowadays.

[Capt.Doug]

>"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
> I'm picky, I only do business with companies that don't just want to take
my
> money, but also are willing to support the products they sell. :)

I never, ever, had a problem with Snap-On's service. I handed the broken
parts to the guy on the truck and he handed me a working one. His business
relied on his customers working with their tools. He made service priority
number one.

However, there are a few dealers who don't want to work very hard.

D.

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:50:06 -0500, "Morgans"
> wrote:

>
>"Juan Jimenez" > wrote
>>
>>>> The SW pliers I bought suck because the tips don't even meet when you
>>>> tighten your grip. Part of it is my fault for not paying good attention when
>>>> I bought them.
>
>They don't have to meet, if they are still able to grip the thinest piece of
>safety wire you will use.
>
>They do not have to be able to twist thread! <G>
>
>Lineman's pliers are built like that. They do not meet, but still will grip
>down to about 18 gauge wire.
>
>> No vendor at the OSH outdoor market offers any kind of guarantee, that I can
>> remember. :)
>
>If they are a brand that Craftsman carries, take it to any Sears store. They
>will replace them on the spot, no receipt, no questions asked.

Gee, they didn't want to replace the Craftsman flush cutting side
cutters I used on a live circuit and these surfaces didn't meet
either.

I can't even find a good (these were the high priced ones) pair any
more.


>
>At least that is my experience. It does not matter where you bought them.
>Don't ask don't tell, or something like that!
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Byron Covey]

Congratulations, guys. It took you longer then usual to start the personal
insults.

Please take your insults off the list.

Thank you.


BJC


"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>> Hmm. Does ACE have things like safety wire pliers?
>>>
>>
>> For crying out loud, yawn, learn to safety by hand. I can safety one
>> handed in many places the pliers won't fit.
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> Sure, Dan, and wheels used to be made out of rock too. You go.
>
>
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>

[Steve Foley]

"Roger (K8RI)" > wrote in message
...

> Gee, they didn't want to replace the Craftsman flush cutting side
> cutters I used on a live circuit and these surfaces didn't meet
> either.

Try another store.

My brother broke a Snap-On ratchet handle by putting a six fot pipe on it
and trying to remove leaf springs with it. The Snap-on truck refused to
replace it. The owner of the service station took it from him, found another
Snap-On truck and had it replaced. He also told the driver who replaced it
to take over his account.

My father sold hand tools in the 60s and 70s. First for P&C (Proto and
Challanger) and later for SK. He would stop in at the hardware stores and
sign the broken tool credits. He was told that broken tool credits were a
more a marketing issue than a warranty issue. Under no circumstances was he
to refuse a broken tool credit. As long as the credits didn't exceen
purchases, nothing was looked at.

[jls]

Owe R. wrote:
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote
> > I've had it with the El Cheapo Corp. tools. ....
>
> Try Stahlwille, god German high quality tools.

God German, huh?
:)

I went and looked at their safety wire twisters at their website.
Gosh, I would have bought them instead of the Snap-Ons if I had known.
Thanks for the tip.

http://www.stahlwilleaerospace.com/WireTwist.html

[Dan[_2_]]

Byron Covey wrote:
> Congratulations, guys. It took you longer then usual to start the personal
> insults.
>
> Please take your insults off the list.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> BJC
>
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>> Hmm. Does ACE have things like safety wire pliers?
>>>>
>>> For crying out loud, yawn, learn to safety by hand. I can safety one
>>> handed in many places the pliers won't fit.
>>>
>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>> Sure, Dan, and wheels used to be made out of rock too. You go.
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
Thank you for your concern, if I decide to start personally insulting
someone I will take your suggestion into mind. Please note in this case
I made no insult.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote
>>
>>>> The SW pliers I bought suck because the tips don't even meet when you
>>>> tighten your grip. Part of it is my fault for not paying good attention
>>>> when I bought them.
>
> They don't have to meet, if they are still able to grip the thinest piece
> of safety wire you will use.

Kinda hard to do if they don't even try to meet.

> They do not have to be able to twist thread! <G>

Yeah, yeah. :)

> Lineman's pliers are built like that. They do not meet, but still will
> grip down to about 18 gauge wire.

Mine meet, but not close enough at the tip, which after working for years
with good tools in the Corps I think they should. :)

> If they are a brand that Craftsman carries, take it to any Sears store.
> They will replace them on the spot, no receipt, no questions asked.

but does Craftsman sell at OSH? :)

> At least that is my experience. It does not matter where you bought them.
> Don't ask don't tell, or something like that!

I agree. Sears does honor its warranties.



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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

".Blueskies." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
> : Hmm. Does ACE have things like safety wire pliers?
> :
> Any pair of pliers are safety wire pliers...used correctly. Oh, you mean
> twisters!
>
> ;-)

Everybody's a comedian these days. :)



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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"Capt.Doug" > wrote in message
...
> >"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
>> I'm picky, I only do business with companies that don't just want to take
> my
>> money, but also are willing to support the products they sell. :)
>
> I never, ever, had a problem with Snap-On's service. I handed the broken
> parts to the guy on the truck and he handed me a working one. His business
> relied on his customers working with their tools. He made service priority
> number one.
>
> However, there are a few dealers who don't want to work very hard.

I wasn't talking about a dealer, I was talking about the company's web site
and central customer service. They never even bothered to answer my
messages.



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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Thank you for your concern, if I decide to start personally insulting
> someone I will take your suggestion into mind. Please note in this case I
> made no insult.

there go the rah flying pigs again. :)



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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"jls" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Owe R. wrote:
>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote
>> > I've had it with the El Cheapo Corp. tools. ....
>>
>> Try Stahlwille, god German high quality tools.
>
> God German, huh?
> :)
>
> I went and looked at their safety wire twisters at their website.
> Gosh, I would have bought them instead of the Snap-Ons if I had known.
> Thanks for the tip.
>
> http://www.stahlwilleaerospace.com/WireTwist.html

Did you find prices? I went to that web site and there's no prices that I
can see. :)



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[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Dan says...
>
>Byron Covey wrote:
>> Congratulations, guys. It took you longer then usual to start the personal
>> insults.
>>
>> Please take your insults off the list.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>> BJC
>>
>>
>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>>> Hmm. Does ACE have things like safety wire pliers?
>>>>>
>>>> For crying out loud, yawn, learn to safety by hand. I can safety one
>>>> handed in many places the pliers won't fit.
>>>>
>>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>> Sure, Dan, and wheels used to be made out of rock too. You go.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>
>>
>>
> Thank you for your concern, if I decide to start personally insulting
>someone I will take your suggestion into mind. Please note in this case
>I made no insult.
>
>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Watch out Dan the Hall Moniters are watching LOL!!

See ya

Chuck (I got 3 pairs of Safety wire pliers) S

[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...

Look what slimed in, seems like they always crawl up in pairs to screw up
perfectly good topics...



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[Richard Isakson]

"Juan Jimenez" wrote ...
>> Look what slimed in, seems like they always crawl up in pairs to screw up
> perfectly good topics...

You have no room to talk, Juan. You started this thread with a racial
insult.- "Tools built by people of Chinese extraction are poorly build".
That's not true. Perhaps you should change the title of the thread to
"Puerto Ricans BUY poor tools". That's the problem here, you bought lousy
tools.

Rich

[Jim Stewart]

Juan Jimenez wrote:

> At $100 a pop for the smallest set of safety wire pliers? I don't think so.
> I am not interested in subsidizing airshow display trailers and parties,
> performer sponsorships, etc. What I want is realiable tools at reasonable
> prices.

I feel your pain.

30 years ago, there was middle grades of tools
that were reasonably priced and would last a
lifetime. The middle ground seems to have
disappeared.

I'm still ok with the most expensive grade of
Craftsman tools. They are not as good as they
used to be, but are still better than most of
the crap in hardware stores.

As to the safety wire pliers, I'd expect to
pay $100 for a quality pair. They are a low
volume item and must be assembled from several
parts. Even a decent pair of vicegrips cost
$20 these days and they probably turn them
out in the 100's of thousands.

Keep an eye on military surplus sales. You
might find the one you used in the Marines (:
I'd certainly like to have the one that was
in my toolbox in the Army.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
...
> "Juan Jimenez" wrote ...
>>> Look what slimed in, seems like they always crawl up in pairs to screw up
>> perfectly good topics...
>
> You have no room to talk, Juan. You started this thread with a racial
> insult.- "Tools built by people of Chinese extraction are poorly build".
> That's not true. Perhaps you should change the title of the thread to
> "Puerto Ricans BUY poor tools". That's the problem here, you bought lousy
> tools.

Not a racial insult, when it is true that the nation of China has low quality
steel, which they do.
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[Morgans[_2_]]

"jls" > wrote

> I went and looked at their safety wire twisters at their website.
> Gosh, I would have bought them instead of the Snap-Ons if I had known.
> Thanks for the tip.
>
> http://www.stahlwilleaerospace.com/WireTwist.html

Perhaps I'm dense, but how do you find the prices, and then go about ordering
their tools? I didn't see how to do that, on their site.
--
Jim in NC

[jls]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "jls" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > Owe R. wrote:
> >> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote
> >> > I've had it with the El Cheapo Corp. tools. ....
> >>
> >> Try Stahlwille, god German high quality tools.
> >
> > God German, huh?
> > :)
> >
> > I went and looked at their safety wire twisters at their website.
> > Gosh, I would have bought them instead of the Snap-Ons if I had known.
> > Thanks for the tip.
> >
> > http://www.stahlwilleaerospace.com/WireTwist.html
>
> Did you find prices? I went to that web site and there's no prices that I
> can see. :)

I can't find them now, but did find a TN company, Samstag, where you
can special order them at roughly the same price:
http://www.samstagsales.com/stahlwille.htm#webspecial
>
>
>
> --
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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jls" > wrote
>
>> I went and looked at their safety wire twisters at their website.
>> Gosh, I would have bought them instead of the Snap-Ons if I had known.
>> Thanks for the tip.
>>
>> http://www.stahlwilleaerospace.com/WireTwist.html
>
> Perhaps I'm dense, but how do you find the prices, and then go about
> ordering their tools? I didn't see how to do that, on their site.
> --
> Jim in NC

Neither did I, and when I went to the US web site those tools are not
listed. ???



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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"jls" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "jls" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> >
>> > Owe R. wrote:
>> >> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote
>> >> > I've had it with the El Cheapo Corp. tools. ....
>> >>
>> >> Try Stahlwille, god German high quality tools.
>> >
>> > God German, huh?
>> > :)
>> >
>> > I went and looked at their safety wire twisters at their website.
>> > Gosh, I would have bought them instead of the Snap-Ons if I had known.
>> > Thanks for the tip.
>> >
>> > http://www.stahlwilleaerospace.com/WireTwist.html
>>
>> Did you find prices? I went to that web site and there's no prices that I
>> can see. :)
>
> I can't find them now, but did find a TN company, Samstag, where you
> can special order them at roughly the same price:
> http://www.samstagsales.com/stahlwille.htm#webspecial

$121 for a small pair of safety wire pliers. Not...



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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
...
> "Juan Jimenez" wrote ...
>>> Look what slimed in, seems like they always crawl up in pairs to screw
>>> up
>> perfectly good topics...
>
> You have no room to talk, Juan. You started this thread with a racial
> insult.- "Tools built by people of Chinese extraction are poorly build".

Wrong, bucko. I said I've had it with Chinese tools, not tools made by
Chinese. I'm sure even you can tell the difference. Or maybe not.

Do try to get your reading skills up to snuff.





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[jls]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "jls" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > Juan Jimenez wrote:
> >> "jls" > wrote in message
> >> ups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Owe R. wrote:
> >> >> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote
> >> >> > I've had it with the El Cheapo Corp. tools. ....
> >> >>
> >> >> Try Stahlwille, god German high quality tools.
> >> >
> >> > God German, huh?
> >> > :)
> >> >
> >> > I went and looked at their safety wire twisters at their website.
> >> > Gosh, I would have bought them instead of the Snap-Ons if I had known.
> >> > Thanks for the tip.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.stahlwilleaerospace.com/WireTwist.html
> >>
> >> Did you find prices? I went to that web site and there's no prices that I
> >> can see. :)
> >
> > I can't find them now, but did find a TN company, Samstag, where you
> > can special order them at roughly the same price:
> > http://www.samstagsales.com/stahlwille.htm#webspecial
>
> $121 for a small pair of safety wire pliers. Not...

That's about what the USMC was paying for them, even back in your
heyday. Not so bad when you figure Halliburton bills the taxpayers $45
for a six-pack of Cokes.
I've used Milbars. They're xlnt.

Don't leave nice ones lying around in the hangar, though.
>
>
>
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[Dan[_2_]]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, Dan says...
>> Byron Covey wrote:
>>> Congratulations, guys. It took you longer then usual to start the personal
>>> insults.
>>>
>>> Please take your insults off the list.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>> BJC
>>>
>>>
>>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>>>> Hmm. Does ACE have things like safety wire pliers?
>>>>>>
>>>>> For crying out loud, yawn, learn to safety by hand. I can safety one
>>>>> handed in many places the pliers won't fit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>>> Sure, Dan, and wheels used to be made out of rock too. You go.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>>>
>> Thank you for your concern, if I decide to start personally insulting
>> someone I will take your suggestion into mind. Please note in this case
>> I made no insult.
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> Watch out Dan the Hall Moniters are watching LOL!!
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck (I got 3 pairs of Safety wire pliers) S
>

Does this mean no more running with safety wire pliers?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Drew Dalgleish]

>Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> I've had it with the El Cheapo Corp. tools I've been buying from vendors at
>> OSH and other places. When I really need them to deliver, they break or fail
>> to work as they should.
>>
>> I need a set of QUALITY safety wire pliers (like the great ones we used to
>> use in the Marines in the late 70's and 80's, damn things always worked
>> perfectly), snips, needle nose pliers, wire cutters, etc. I'm not looking
>> for fancy displays at airshows or chrome plated crap or paying money for
>> brand names, I want reliable tools that I can rely on when I need them to do
>> their jobs.
>>
>> Comments? Suggestions?

To me it seems that safety wire twisters are a specialty tool that you
won't ever find on sale. If I wanted a quality pair I'd just suck it
up and buy them. I hate spending the money but I've never regretted
buying quality tools. My twisters are from the fly-market at OSH I
think I paid about $15 for them but I only use them half a dozen times
a year I've had them over 10 years and they've worked well for me. If
your jaws aren't closing tightly enough you could grind down the wire
cutters with a dremel tool.

[Montblack]

("Juan Jimenez" wrote)
> Everybody's a comedian these days. :)


Funny you should mention that...


Montblack

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Dan says...
>
>ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
>> In article >, Dan says...
>>> Byron Covey wrote:
>>>>Congratulations, guys. It took you longer then usual to start the personal
>>>> insults.
>>>>
>>>> Please take your insults off the list.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BJC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
>>>> .. .
>>>>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>>>>> Hmm. Does ACE have things like safety wire pliers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> For crying out loud, yawn, learn to safety by hand. I can safety one
>>>>>> handed in many places the pliers won't fit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>>>> Sure, Dan, and wheels used to be made out of rock too. You go.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Thank you for your concern, if I decide to start personally insulting
>>> someone I will take your suggestion into mind. Please note in this case
>>> I made no insult.
>>>
>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>
>> Watch out Dan the Hall Moniters are watching LOL!!
>>
>> See ya
>>
>> Chuck (I got 3 pairs of Safety wire pliers) S
>>
>
>Does this mean no more running with safety wire pliers?
>
>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

You can run but you have to hold the pointy end :-)

Chuck (never heard of Chineese pliers,didn't know pliers had a nationality)S

[Dan[_2_]]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, Dan says...
>> ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
>>> In article >, Dan says...
>>>> Byron Covey wrote:
>>>>> Congratulations, guys. It took you longer then usual to start the personal
>>>>> insults.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please take your insults off the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BJC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
>>>>> .. .
>>>>>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hmm. Does ACE have things like safety wire pliers?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For crying out loud, yawn, learn to safety by hand. I can safety one
>>>>>>> handed in many places the pliers won't fit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>>>>> Sure, Dan, and wheels used to be made out of rock too. You go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your concern, if I decide to start personally insulting
>>>> someone I will take your suggestion into mind. Please note in this case
>>>> I made no insult.
>>>>
>>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>> Watch out Dan the Hall Moniters are watching LOL!!
>>>
>>> See ya
>>>
>>> Chuck (I got 3 pairs of Safety wire pliers) S
>>>
>> Does this mean no more running with safety wire pliers?
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> You can run but you have to hold the pointy end :-)
>
> Chuck (never heard of Chineese pliers,didn't know pliers had a nationality)S
>

Ever notice how many tools admit they are fake? Look for the word
"forged."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Steve Foley]

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .

> I need a set of QUALITY safety wire pliers (like the great ones we used to
> use in the Marines in the late 70's and 80's, damn things always worked
> perfectly), snips, needle nose pliers, wire cutters, etc. I'm not looking
> for fancy displays at airshows or chrome plated crap or paying money for
> brand names, I want reliable tools that I can rely on when I need them to
> do their jobs.

I just got a harbor freight catalog. On page 35 is a 9" Safety Wire Twister
for $15.99 It's made by 'Pittsburgh', and claims to have a lifetime
warranty. part number 45341-0CHA.

It also shows up on their website, as does a 6" pair for $9.99.

I've never heard of Pittsburgh tools.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Steve Foley" > wrote

>
> I just got a harbor freight catalog. On page 35 is a 9" Safety Wire Twister
> for $15.99 It's made by 'Pittsburgh', and claims to have a lifetime warranty.
> part number 45341-0CHA.
>
> It also shows up on their website, as does a 6" pair for $9.99.

With a price like that, they will be made in Pittsburgh, China.

Quality costs. Harbor freight is not expensive. Anyone get the connection? <g>
--
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[Dan[_2_]]

Morgans wrote:
>
> "Steve Foley" > wrote
>
>>
>> I just got a harbor freight catalog. On page 35 is a 9" Safety Wire
>> Twister for $15.99 It's made by 'Pittsburgh', and claims to have a
>> lifetime warranty. part number 45341-0CHA.
>>
>> It also shows up on their website, as does a 6" pair for $9.99.
>
> With a price like that, they will be made in Pittsburgh, China.
>
> Quality costs. Harbor freight is not expensive. Anyone get the
> connection? <g>

I have had extremely poor experiences with Harbour Freight's parts,
technical and customer support. On rare occasions I buy things from them
even they can't screw up if the price is right. My lathe and vertical
mill are on their carts.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Steve Foley]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Steve Foley" > wrote
>
>>
>> I just got a harbor freight catalog. On page 35 is a 9" Safety Wire
>> Twister for $15.99 It's made by 'Pittsburgh', and claims to have a
>> lifetime warranty. part number 45341-0CHA.
>>
>> It also shows up on their website, as does a 6" pair for $9.99.
>
> With a price like that, they will be made in Pittsburgh, China.
>
> Quality costs. Harbor freight is not expensive. Anyone get the
> connection? <g>

I get the connection. A lot depends on how they handle their 'lifetime
warranty'. If you end up paying freight each time you return them, it's not
worth anything.

If, on the other hand, they don't charge for shipping warranty items, you
could always buy two, and use the second while the first one is being
replaced.

They have some retail stores too. (none near me, and none in PR)

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Steve Foley" > wrote

> I get the connection. A lot depends on how they handle their 'lifetime
> warranty'. If you end up paying freight each time you return them, it's not
> worth anything.
>
> If, on the other hand, they don't charge for shipping warranty items, you
> could always buy two, and use the second while the first one is being
> replaced.

To me, a tool that is loose fitting, or to tight, or just does not perform well
or breaks often isn't worth the time to have in the shop.

I want my tools to perform reliably, perfectly, the first time, every time.

It is becoming difficult to find tools that will fill those requirements,
without going to great lengths to do so.
--
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[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Dan says...
ya
>>>>
>>>> Chuck (I got 3 pairs of Safety wire pliers) S
>>>>
>>> Does this mean no more running with safety wire pliers?
>>>
>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>
>> You can run but you have to hold the pointy end :-)
>>
>> Chuck (never heard of Chineese pliers,didn't know pliers had a nationality)S
>>
>
> Ever notice how many tools admit they are fake? Look for the word
>"forged."
>
>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Glad you pointed that out sounds better then "ripped off" or "copied". :-)

Happy Thanksgiving

Chuck (often forged) S

[Dan[_2_]]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, Dan says...
> ya
>>>>> Chuck (I got 3 pairs of Safety wire pliers) S
>>>>>
>>>> Does this mean no more running with safety wire pliers?
>>>>
>>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>> You can run but you have to hold the pointy end :-)
>>>
>>> Chuck (never heard of Chineese pliers,didn't know pliers had a nationality)S
>>>
>> Ever notice how many tools admit they are fake? Look for the word
>> "forged."
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
>
> Glad you pointed that out sounds better then "ripped off" or "copied". :-)
>
> Happy Thanksgiving
>
> Chuck (often forged) S
>
And to you :)

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Richard Riley" > wrote

> The only thing Harbor Freight sells that's made in the US is carbide
> grinding bits.
>
> The people that make the bits rent space from me.

Grinding "bits" ???

What kind of machine takes grinding bits?
--
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[Tom Frey]

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:44:03 -0500, "Morgans"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Richard Riley" > wrote
>>
>>> The only thing Harbor Freight sells that's made in the US is carbide
>>> grinding bits.
>>>
>>> The people that make the bits rent space from me.
>>
>>Grinding "bits" ???
>>
>>What kind of machine takes grinding bits?
>
> Die grinders, milling machines, dremels, hand drills, drill presses,
> lathes.
>
> If you have a better generic name for abrasive things made of carbide
> that go in machine toools, I'll be glad to use it. Bits seemed like
> it got the idea across.

Carbide burrs??? Most commonly used in die grinders?? I didn't know they
kept them.

I have to stand up for their small electric hoists. I have a half dozen or
so of these light weight lifters I use in my shop. The come in 440, 660 and
880 pound models, and often go in sale from 69 to 99 dollars. I have a
couple of them that we use daily, and have so for the past two years without
any problems.

We also have a couple of their retractable air hose reels that work well. A
couple of hand trucks (or two-wheelers) the seem like a bargain after with
slimed the pneumatic tires. Several other items too.

But I would be the first to admit, you really have to examine everything you
consider from these guys. The do have a lot junk as well.

Tom

[RST Engineering]

Ya wanna try that again?

Jim



"Tom Frey" > wrote in message
...


A
> couple of hand trucks (or two-wheelers) the seem like a bargain after with
> slimed the pneumatic tires. Several other items too.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Richard Riley" > wrote
>
> Die grinders, milling machines, dremels, hand drills, drill presses,
> lathes.
>
> If you have a better generic name for abrasive things made of carbide
> that go in machine toools, I'll be glad to use it. Bits seemed like
> it got the idea across.

I realized after I wrote that, that it could be taken as condescending. Not my
intention.

After I sat and thought about it, I started to think of things that have carbide
abrasive, that I would call bits. At first I could not picture what you meant.

Lathes, with abrasives is about the only thing that I can not picture. Most of
the rest I thought about after a bit. (pun intended) <g>
--
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[Morgans[_2_]]

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:41:28 -0600, "Tom Frey" >
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> If you have a better generic name for abrasive things made of carbide
>>> that go in machine toools, I'll be glad to use it. Bits seemed like
>>> it got the idea across.
>>
>>Carbide burrs??? Most commonly used in die grinders?? I didn't know they
>>kept them.
>
> Yes, carbide burrs, HF has them and at *really* good prices. But also
> end mills, drills, rotary files, cutters, etc. I think the arguement
> is what to call the whole family.

Machine tools?
--
Jim in NC

[Tom Frey]

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:41:28 -0600, "Tom Frey" >
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> If you have a better generic name for abrasive things made of carbide
>>> that go in machine toools, I'll be glad to use it. Bits seemed like
>>> it got the idea across.
>>
>>Carbide burrs??? Most commonly used in die grinders?? I didn't know they
>>kept them.
>
> Yes, carbide burrs, HF has them and at *really* good prices. But also
> end mills, drills, rotary files, cutters, etc. I think the arguement
> is what to call the whole family.

Good info, I'll have to give them a try. I wear out a couple of them and
month. I always considered burrs and rotary files to be one in the same.

Didn't realize they had drills and end mills either. I'll have to sample
some of those as well.

[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"jls" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "jls" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> >
>> > Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> >> "jls" > wrote in message
>> >> ups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > Owe R. wrote:
>> >> >> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote
>> >> >> > I've had it with the El Cheapo Corp. tools. ....
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Try Stahlwille, god German high quality tools.
>> >> >
>> >> > God German, huh?
>> >> > :)
>> >> >
>> >> > I went and looked at their safety wire twisters at their website.
>> >> > Gosh, I would have bought them instead of the Snap-Ons if I had
>> >> > known.
>> >> > Thanks for the tip.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.stahlwilleaerospace.com/WireTwist.html
>> >>
>> >> Did you find prices? I went to that web site and there's no prices
>> >> that I
>> >> can see. :)
>> >
>> > I can't find them now, but did find a TN company, Samstag, where you
>> > can special order them at roughly the same price:
>> > http://www.samstagsales.com/stahlwille.htm#webspecial
>>
>> $121 for a small pair of safety wire pliers. Not...
>
> That's about what the USMC was paying for them, even back in your
> heyday. Not so bad when you figure Halliburton bills the taxpayers $45
> for a six-pack of Cokes.
> I've used Milbars. They're xlnt.

$121 for a pair of safety wire plies in 1978? I find that rather doubtful.




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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:g0%8h.5638$d42.2917@trndny07...
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>> I need a set of QUALITY safety wire pliers (like the great ones we used
>> to use in the Marines in the late 70's and 80's, damn things always
>> worked perfectly), snips, needle nose pliers, wire cutters, etc. I'm not
>> looking for fancy displays at airshows or chrome plated crap or paying
>> money for brand names, I want reliable tools that I can rely on when I
>> need them to do their jobs.
>
> I just got a harbor freight catalog. On page 35 is a 9" Safety Wire
> Twister for $15.99 It's made by 'Pittsburgh', and claims to have a
> lifetime warranty. part number 45341-0CHA.
>
> It also shows up on their website, as does a 6" pair for $9.99.
>
> I've never heard of Pittsburgh tools.

It's an alter-ego for another Chinese tool manufacturer. Harbor Freight is
like Walmart, almost impossible to find anything in it that says "made in
usa".



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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
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>
> "Steve Foley" > wrote
>
>>
>> I just got a harbor freight catalog. On page 35 is a 9" Safety Wire
>> Twister for $15.99 It's made by 'Pittsburgh', and claims to have a
>> lifetime warranty. part number 45341-0CHA.
>>
>> It also shows up on their website, as does a 6" pair for $9.99.
>
> With a price like that, they will be made in Pittsburgh, China.
>
> Quality costs. Harbor freight is not expensive. Anyone get the
> connection? <g>

Yes, quality costs, but subsidized company activities that have nothing to
do with making tools cost even more. It's kinda like pharmaceuticals. You're
not just paying for the medicine, you're paying for things like vacations
for the doctors who prescribe the most, etc.



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