OLC Problems

[Mal]

Is anyone else having problems logging in to the OLC

--
Mal

www.mals.net

[Tim Taylor]

I get on about 50% of the time. Does anyone know how to contact the
admins for the OLC, I have a flight with a zero score that I don't know
how to fix.

Tim



Mal wrote:
> Is anyone else having problems logging in to the OLC
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> Mal
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> www.mals.net

[user]

Endless.

"Mal" > wrote in message
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> Is anyone else having problems logging in to the OLC
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> Mal
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> www.mals.net
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[Greg Arnold]

Tim Taylor wrote:
> I get on about 50% of the time. Does anyone know how to contact the
> admins for the OLC, I have a flight with a zero score that I don't know
> how to fix.

Don't bother to contact the OLC admins in Europe -- I have 4 flights
with zero scores, and they don't know how to fix any of them. Doug
Haluza in the USA is doing a good job, but he doesn't have the access to
the website necessary to fix the problems.

Recently, the website seems to be down every evening in the USA --
almost like the people in Europe turn off the server when they go to
bed. Maybe they are trying to conserve electricity.


>
> Tim
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> Mal wrote:
>> Is anyone else having problems logging in to the OLC
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>> --
>> Mal
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>> www.mals.net
>

[5Z]

Did a couple of extended glides today with a Garmin onboard, so wanted
to test the new SeeYou upload. It connected, flashed a progress bar
for a few seconds, then hung with the timer spinning. Let one go for
over 10 minutes. Now, a couple hours later, my browser is just
spinning on a blank screen in an attempt to connect.

The flights are only worth a few points, but so far the exercise is
failing...

-Tom

[[email protected]]

I am glad to know that I am not the only having problems logging
onto OLC. Hopefully by the start of our soaring season, they will
have all of the bugs worked out.

Randy
N304RS


Mal wrote:
> Is anyone else having problems logging in to the OLC
>
> --
> Mal
>
> www.mals.net

[Doug Haluza]

Greg Arnold wrote:
> Tim Taylor wrote:
> > I get on about 50% of the time. Does anyone know how to contact the
> > admins for the OLC, I have a flight with a zero score that I don't know
> > how to fix.
>
> Don't bother to contact the OLC admins in Europe -- I have 4 flights
> with zero scores, and they don't know how to fix any of them. Doug
> Haluza in the USA is doing a good job, but he doesn't have the access to
> the website necessary to fix the problems.
>
> Recently, the website seems to be down every evening in the USA --
> almost like the people in Europe turn off the server when they go to
> bed. Maybe they are trying to conserve electricity.

There is a problem with the OLC production server crashing, and they
have not been able to reproduce the problem on the development server,
so this will be a difficult problem to fix. In the mean time, it has to
be manualy rebooted when it crashes. The OLC team does get an SMS
message whenever this happens, so there is no need to notify them; but
someone has to be near a computer to fix it. Naturally if it happens
late at night, it does not get fixed until the next morning (German
time).

There are also problems in the scoring algorithm causing some flights
to get zero score. As the problems are fixed, the flights will be
re-scored, as some have been already, so please be patient. Keep
claiming your flights, since they can't be fixed if they are not
submitted by the Tuesday 24:00 local deadline.

[P. Corbett]

Mal wrote:
> Is anyone else having problems logging in to the OLC
>
I can usually log on using www3.onlinecontest.org but they keep saying
that there are no flights to report. It is hard to believe that there is
no one on the planet flying a glider, especially down under.

Can anyone pass-on the link they are using to view flights with the new
system?

Paul
ZZ

[Bob]

If it is that unreliable and with the wealth of IT talent that we have
within the soaring community, I'm surprised that no one else has tried
to improve on the system!!

Bob
7U

Mal wrote:
> Is anyone else having problems logging in to the OLC
>
> --
> Mal
>
> www.mals.net

[Bruce Greef]

Bob wrote:
> If it is that unreliable and with the wealth of IT talent that we have
> within the soaring community, I'm surprised that no one else has tried
> to improve on the system!!
>
> Bob
> 7U
>
> Mal wrote:
>
>>Is anyone else having problems logging in to the OLC
>>
>>--
>>Mal
>>
>>www.mals.net
>
>
So far so good - I have been able to log on every time I tried (same timezone as
Germany). Now if the weather would just improve enough that there was a flight
worth uploading...

Bruce

[Ramy]

There are also serious time zone and calendar issues as a result of
javascript errors, which requires multiple steps to get around. But
apparently it is more important to the OLC team to provide a google
earth link than fix their bugs. Can't even use olc to review other's
flights anymore...
It's about time that someone with spare time and talent will develope a
US alternative to olc, without all the hassles and politics.

Ramy

Doug Haluza wrote:
> Greg Arnold wrote:
> > Tim Taylor wrote:
> > > I get on about 50% of the time. Does anyone know how to contact the
> > > admins for the OLC, I have a flight with a zero score that I don't know
> > > how to fix.
> >
> > Don't bother to contact the OLC admins in Europe -- I have 4 flights
> > with zero scores, and they don't know how to fix any of them. Doug
> > Haluza in the USA is doing a good job, but he doesn't have the access to
> > the website necessary to fix the problems.
> >
> > Recently, the website seems to be down every evening in the USA --
> > almost like the people in Europe turn off the server when they go to
> > bed. Maybe they are trying to conserve electricity.
>
> There is a problem with the OLC production server crashing, and they
> have not been able to reproduce the problem on the development server,
> so this will be a difficult problem to fix. In the mean time, it has to
> be manualy rebooted when it crashes. The OLC team does get an SMS
> message whenever this happens, so there is no need to notify them; but
> someone has to be near a computer to fix it. Naturally if it happens
> late at night, it does not get fixed until the next morning (German
> time).
>
> There are also problems in the scoring algorithm causing some flights
> to get zero score. As the problems are fixed, the flights will be
> re-scored, as some have been already, so please be patient. Keep
> claiming your flights, since they can't be fixed if they are not
> submitted by the Tuesday 24:00 local deadline.

[hans]

Ramy schrieb:
> There are also serious time zone and calendar issues as a result of
> javascript errors, which requires multiple steps to get around. But
> apparently it is more important to the OLC team to provide a google
> earth link than fix their bugs. Can't even use olc to review other's
> flights anymore...
> It's about time that someone with spare time and talent will develope a
> US alternative to olc, without all the hassles and politics.
>
> Ramy
>


At least one nation has done it already, others have never joined the
OLC movement.

But is the world gliding community sufficiently powerful that we can
allow it to split it into many small communities?

[Bob Gibbons]

This is what I use,

http://www3.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/olcscore.html?country=US

In the US I find the calendar defaults to tomorrow's date, so I often
initially get a "no flights to report" notice.

Also, since there are apparently Javascript problems with their
calendar, using the mouse to select a new date does not usually work.
I have found that this bug can be avoided by using the upper calendar
arrows to move the date back a year and then return forward a year.
This seems to enable the mouse to select the desired date in the
calendar.

..... as I have said before regarding OLC2, avoiding these sorts of
problems is why we have "beta tests" before a production release.

We in the northern hemisphere are in our low season, pity our poor
brothern in the southern hemisphere entering their prime season with a
busted OLC.

Bob


On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 03:57:23 GMT, "P. Corbett "
> wrote:

>Mal wrote:
>> Is anyone else having problems logging in to the OLC
>>
>I can usually log on using www3.onlinecontest.org but they keep saying
>that there are no flights to report. It is hard to believe that there is
>no one on the planet flying a glider, especially down under.
>
>Can anyone pass-on the link they are using to view flights with the new
>system?
>
>Paul
>ZZ
>

[Jack]

hans wrote:

> But is the world gliding community sufficiently powerful that we can
> allow it to split it into many small communities?

The world gliding community is ready for something that works. The
question is, who will provide it?


Jack

[Ramy]

>From rumor central, someone is already working on it locally...

Ramy

Jack wrote:
> hans wrote:
>
> > But is the world gliding community sufficiently powerful that we can
> > allow it to split it into many small communities?
>
> The world gliding community is ready for something that works. The
> question is, who will provide it?
>
>
> Jack

[kirk.stant]

Hey, It worked!

Logged on this morning, checked out a flight down under via Google maps
(and the default map is better, too), then went back and found my
flight back on Oct 22 had finally been scored (not much, but a start).

Ok, I feel better now.

Keep up the good work, OLC gang - and just ignore (well, listen a
little) the whiners (yours truly included) - it's our grumpy season
now...

Kirk
66

[Bruce Greef]

kirk.stant wrote:
> Hey, It worked!
>
> Logged on this morning, checked out a flight down under via Google maps
> (and the default map is better, too), then went back and found my
> flight back on Oct 22 had finally been scored (not much, but a start).
>
> Ok, I feel better now.
>
> Keep up the good work, OLC gang - and just ignore (well, listen a
> little) the whiners (yours truly included) - it's our grumpy season
> now...
>

You mean there is a difference? ;-)

> Kirk
> 66
>

Bruce

[SAM 303a]

It does work, but like SAP, you have to do it their way. Simply adapt your
habits, processes and products to their code and all will be well.
(sorry about the software humour in a soaring newsgroup)

"Jack" > wrote in message
et...
> hans wrote:
>
>> But is the world gliding community sufficiently powerful that we can
>> allow it to split it into many small communities?
>
> The world gliding community is ready for something that works. The
> question is, who will provide it?
>
>
> Jack

[Frank Whiteley]

Bruce Greef wrote:
> Bob wrote:
> > If it is that unreliable and with the wealth of IT talent that we have
> > within the soaring community, I'm surprised that no one else has tried
> > to improve on the system!!
> >
> > Bob
> > 7U
> >
> > Mal wrote:
> >
> >>Is anyone else having problems logging in to the OLC
> >>
> >>--
> >>Mal
> >>
> >>www.mals.net
> >
> >
> So far so good - I have been able to log on every time I tried (same timezone as
> Germany). Now if the weather would just improve enough that there was a flight
> worth uploading...
>
> Bruce
Gone again

Frank

[[email protected]]

The calendar is working today.

The 'suggested initial date' displayed will always be Euro time I
suspect until their scripts can detect local time zones, but a single
click on a calendar day with claimed flights now works.

Patience is the key. They had to get it running to take in new flight
logs, that's priority one. And how do you test this in a volunteer
development environment with the volume of countries, langauges and
Internet frailities? The testing they DID do must have worked before we
saw anything public.

Next they worried about auto claiming from SeeYou, Strepla, etc. I bet.
And those folks are responding, and again volume use draws out bugs,
and those will be fixed.

We are told that the regional results will return, as will Novice class
or whatever your country had before.

The Google Earth link may seem a frill, but my guess is the volunteer
who took on that component got it working before the other requirements
were ready. This feature is certainly one we can all use to promote
interest in our sport, and it's just plain fun to see flights from
around the world in such terrain detail. Whether they use the paved
strip or the grass! You can even decide whether the outlanding pilot
chose the best field (for when the imagery was taken anyway) ! My guess
is that by mid summer 2007 the complaints here will focus on what
country or state has the best or worst resolution in Google Earth!

It's free, it's fun, it's addictive. The proof of that is in the posts
showing frustration with getting a flight posted.

Let's give them support and suggestions and maybe reduce the anger a
notch or two. You know how you can feel as a club volunteer when
someone thinks your contributions are less than perfect.

Great work OLC and the volunteers in every country, and continued
success! ....Bringing more fun to an already fun sport!

Bob
Canada












Bob Gibbons wrote:
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> Also, since there are apparently Javascript problems with their
> calendar, using the mouse to select a new date does not usually work.
>

[kirk.stant]

Bob, you are so right.

We must be OLC addicts, since we (myself included) whine like little
kids when it doesn't work RIGHT NOW!

I would love to see and article somewhere (Sailplane and Gliding,
Soaring, online?) telling the story of how the OLC came to be.

Happy Thanksgiving, all!

Kirk
66

[hans]

The speed of the display of the OLC-champion got much faster over the
last few days.

Good work.

[P. Corbett]

Bob Gibbons wrote:
> This is what I use,
>
> http://www3.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/olcscore.html?country=US
>
> In the US I find the calendar defaults to tomorrow's date, so I often
> initially get a "no flights to report" notice.
>
> Also, since there are apparently Javascript problems with their
> calendar, using the mouse to select a new date does not usually work.
> I have found that this bug can be avoided by using the upper calendar
> arrows to move the date back a year and then return forward a year.
> This seems to enable the mouse to select the desired date in the
> calendar.
>
> .... as I have said before regarding OLC2, avoiding these sorts of
> problems is why we have "beta tests" before a production release.
>
> We in the northern hemisphere are in our low season, pity our poor
> brothern in the southern hemisphere entering their prime season with a
> busted OLC.
>
> Bob
>
>
Success! Thanks Bob

Paul
ZZ