Sport Aviation Airplane

[Danny Dot]

If I buy an older plane that qualifies for Sport Aviation (e.g. less than
1300 lbs), but was certified "Utility", do I need any paper work to fly it
under Sport.

Also, I have a private with an expired medical. Do I need to do any
paperwork or do I need to take any certification flights to fly under Sport
Aviation?

Danny Dot

[Newps]

Danny Dot wrote:
> If I buy an older plane that qualifies for Sport Aviation (e.g. less than
> 1300 lbs), but was certified "Utility", do I need any paper work to fly it
> under Sport.

No.


>
> Also, I have a private with an expired medical. Do I need to do any
> paperwork or do I need to take any certification flights to fly under Sport
> Aviation?

No, you're good to go.

[Bob Moore]

Newps wrote
>> Also, I have a private with an expired medical. Do I need to do any
>> paperwork or do I need to take any certification flights to fly under
>> Sport Aviation?
>
> No, you're good to go.

How about a Flight Review.....61.56.

Bob Moore

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Newps" > wrote in message
. ..
>
>
> Danny Dot wrote:
>> If I buy an older plane that qualifies for Sport Aviation (e.g. less than
>> 1300 lbs), but was certified "Utility", do I need any paper work to fly
>> it under Sport.
>
> No.
>
>
>>
>> Also, I have a private with an expired medical. Do I need to do any
>> paperwork or do I need to take any certification flights to fly under
>> Sport Aviation?
>
> No, you're good to go.

You do need to have a current flight review.

[Robert M. Gary]

Danny Dot wrote:
> If I buy an older plane that qualifies for Sport Aviation (e.g. less than
> 1300 lbs), but was certified "Utility", do I need any paper work to fly it
> under Sport.

The plane will continue to be a "Utility" category aircraft but
qualifies to be flown by a "Sport" pilot. This is different than the
new "Sport" category of aircraft which are basically Ultralights.

-Robert

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Danny Dot wrote:
>> If I buy an older plane that qualifies for Sport Aviation (e.g. less than
>> 1300 lbs), but was certified "Utility", do I need any paper work to fly
>> it
>> under Sport.
>
> The plane will continue to be a "Utility" category aircraft but
> qualifies to be flown by a "Sport" pilot. This is different than the
> new "Sport" category of aircraft which are basically Ultralights.
>
> -Robert
>

If you can call something that weighs 750 lbs empty and over 1300 lbs full
an ultralight I guess you'd be right.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"T o d d P a t t i s t" > wrote in message
...
> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote:
>
>>> The plane will continue to be a "Utility" category aircraft but
>>> qualifies to be flown by a "Sport" pilot. This is different than the
>>> new "Sport" category of aircraft which are basically Ultralights.
>>
>>If you can call something that weighs 750 lbs empty and over 1300 lbs full
>>an ultralight I guess you'd be right.
>
> Except that you can't, because an "ultralight" would be Part
> 103, would have to weigh less than 254 pounds and the pilot
> would not need a license to fly it. The aircraft he's
> calling a "Sport category" (S-LSAs and E-LSAs presumably)
> all weigh more than that and the pilot needs a license.
>

I guess the sarcasm didn't show quite enough in my response to who ever
said, "This is different than the
new "Sport" category of aircraft which are basically Ultralights." I was
implying that he was wrong in calling the SLA aircraft Ultralights. That's
why I put the empty and full weights in the post.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"T o d d P a t t i s t" > wrote in message
...

>
> I knew you were implying he was wrong, and I knew you knew
> why he was wrong,

Sorry Todd,

I've spent to much time reading and responding to Anthony's post.

[Robert M. Gary]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> If you can call something that weighs 750 lbs empty and over 1300 lbs full
> an ultralight I guess you'd be right.

Yes, basically ultralights. Many are weight shift controlled, etc.

-Robert

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> If you can call something that weighs 750 lbs empty and over 1300 lbs
>> full
>> an ultralight I guess you'd be right.
>
> Yes, basically ultralights. Many are weight shift controlled, etc.
>
> -Robert
>

Some SLAs are but the OP wasn't talking about those and nothing that is 750
lbs empty and 1300 lbs full can be an ultralight.

[Robert M. Gary]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> ups.com...

> Some SLAs are but the OP wasn't talking about those and nothing that is 750
> lbs empty and 1300 lbs full can be an ultralight.

The OP was clearly confused about the difference between Sport Pilot
eligable aircraft and the SLA catagory. The SLA's are basically
ultralights.

-Robert

[Newps]

Bob Moore wrote:
> Newps wrote
>
>>>Also, I have a private with an expired medical. Do I need to do any
>>>paperwork or do I need to take any certification flights to fly under
>>>Sport Aviation?
>>
>>No, you're good to go.
>
>
> How about a Flight Review.....61.56.



Only if it's expired, he didn't say it was.

[Andrew Sarangan]

What about the arispeed limitation of Sport category aircraft? I
thought they had to be certified with a cruise speed less than
120knots.


Robert M. Gary wrote:
> Danny Dot wrote:
> > If I buy an older plane that qualifies for Sport Aviation (e.g. less than
> > 1300 lbs), but was certified "Utility", do I need any paper work to fly it
> > under Sport.
>
> The plane will continue to be a "Utility" category aircraft but
> qualifies to be flown by a "Sport" pilot. This is different than the
> new "Sport" category of aircraft which are basically Ultralights.
>
> -Robert

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 5 Dec 2006 15:46:13 -0800, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:

>
>Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>
>> Some SLAs are but the OP wasn't talking about those and nothing that is 750
>> lbs empty and 1300 lbs full can be an ultralight.
>
>The OP was clearly confused about the difference between Sport Pilot
>eligable aircraft and the SLA catagory. The SLA's are basically
>ultralights.

Don't think I'd consider THIS an ultralight, yet it's an SLSA:

http://www.legend.aero/

Powered by a brand-new O-200, yet.

Ron Wanttaja

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 5 Dec 2006 20:55:13 -0800, "Andrew Sarangan" > wrote:

>Robert M. Gary wrote:
>> Danny Dot wrote:
>> > If I buy an older plane that qualifies for Sport Aviation (e.g. less than
>> > 1300 lbs), but was certified "Utility", do I need any paper work to fly it
>> > under Sport.
>>
>> The plane will continue to be a "Utility" category aircraft but
>> qualifies to be flown by a "Sport" pilot. This is different than the
>> new "Sport" category of aircraft which are basically Ultralights.
>>
> What about the airspeed limitation of Sport category aircraft? I
> thought they had to be certified with a cruise speed less than
> 120knots.

No. Maximum level-flight speed of 120 knots. This illustrates the basic
requirements to qualify under the Light Sport definition:

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/sportpilot.jpg

As another poster said, certification category is irrelevant, as long as it
meets the definition.

For a partial list of qualifying aircraft, see:

http://www.sportpilot.org/learn/aircraft.html

Ron Wanttaja

[Travis Marlatte]

"T o d d P a t t i s t" > wrote in message
...
> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote:
>
>>I guess the sarcasm didn't show quite enough in my response to who ever
>>said, "This is different than the
>>new "Sport" category of aircraft which are basically Ultralights." I was
>>implying that he was wrong in calling the SLA aircraft Ultralights. That's
>>why I put the empty and full weights in the post.
>
> I knew you were implying he was wrong, and I knew you knew
> why he was wrong, I just wasn't sure if others would know
> why, so I added the max weight for Part 103 to your list of
> the min/max for SLAs.
>

I could tell that you knew that he was implying that he was wrong. And I
realized that you knew that he knew why he was wrong. What I wasn't sure of
is whether you knew that others would also know. Not necessarily all or even
most others. But others none-the-less.

-------------------------------
Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK

[Montblack]

("Gig 601XL Builder" wrote)
> ...and 1300 lbs full can be an ultralight.


You might want those extra 20 lbs. for flights around the holiday season.


Montblack

[Montblack]

("Ron Wanttaja" wrote)
> No. Maximum level-flight speed of 120 knots.


"A maximum airspeed in level flight with maximum continuous power (VH) of
not more than 120 knots CAS under standard atmospheric conditions at sea
level."

As the 51% builder, do you set what you want your powerplant's (VH) to be?

"...unrestricted periods of use."
"Hmm, UNRESTRICTED PERIODS and CONTINUOUS (@ sea level) this old engine
won't hold up unless you back 'er off a bit."
"A wee bit more..."
"I don't think she can take much more of this, Captain."

(VH) Sound like Cruise Speed to me. Where am I wrong?
"Birth" ...is not an answer option!

I found this:
<http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:EuHLdc_sUL0J:avstop.com/definitions.html+%22maximum+continuous+power%22+%2 B+faa&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=32&client=firefox-a>
"Rated maximum continuous power," with respect to reciprocating,
turbopropeller, and turboshaft engines, means the approved brake horsepower
that is developed statically or in flight, in standard atmosphere at a
specified altitude, within the engine operating limitations established
under
Part 33, and approved for unrestricted periods of use.

Hey, this one isn't listed! :-)
> http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/sportpilot.jpg
"A nonpressurized cabin, if equipped with a cabin."


Montblack

[Matt Barrow]

"Newps" > wrote in message
. ..
>
>
> Bob Moore wrote:
>> Newps wrote
>>
>>>>Also, I have a private with an expired medical.
^^^^^^^^
>>
>> How about a Flight Review.....61.56.
>
> Only if it's expired, he didn't say it was.

????

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:10:10 -0600, "Montblack"
> wrote:

>Hey, this one isn't listed! :-)
>> http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/sportpilot.jpg
>"A nonpressurized cabin, if equipped with a cabin."

A Fly Baby doesn't have an outhouse, much less a cabin... :-)

Ron "And No Weather Station On Top, Either" Wanttaja

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>
>> Some SLAs are but the OP wasn't talking about those and nothing that is
>> 750
>> lbs empty and 1300 lbs full can be an ultralight.
>
> The OP was clearly confused about the difference between Sport Pilot
> eligable aircraft and the SLA catagory. The SLA's are basically
> ultralights.
>
> -Robert
>


Robert,

Do you consider this http://zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/index.html
and ultralight?

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Newps" > wrote in message
. ..
>
>
> Bob Moore wrote:
>> Newps wrote
>>
>>>>Also, I have a private with an expired medical. Do I need to do any
>>>>paperwork or do I need to take any certification flights to fly under
>>>>Sport Aviation?
>>>
>>>No, you're good to go.
>>
>>
>> How about a Flight Review.....61.56.
>
>
>
> Only if it's expired, he didn't say it was.
>
>

No but he didn't say it wasn't either. So, better to mention it than ignore
it because he did ask if he had to take ANY certifications flight under
Sport Aviation. Especially since he obviously asking about the rules of LSA
and might not know that. Let's not pick nits when someone gives more correct
information.

[Jim Macklin]

Breezy


"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
...
| On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:10:10 -0600, "Montblack"
| > wrote:
|
| >Hey, this one isn't listed! :-)
| >> http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/sportpilot.jpg
| >"A nonpressurized cabin, if equipped with a cabin."
|
| A Fly Baby doesn't have an outhouse, much less a cabin...
:-)
|
| Ron "And No Weather Station On Top, Either" Wanttaja
|

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Gig 601XL Builder" wrote)
>> ...and 1300 lbs full can be an ultralight.
>
>
> You might want those extra 20 lbs. for flights around the holiday season.
>
>
> Montblack
>

Not really. My wife always lies about her weight. So if I tell her the max
is 1300 she will carry less stuff and offset her... oversight.

[Robert M. Gary]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> Do you consider this http://zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/index.html
> and ultralight?

My word choice of "basically ultralights" vs. "all ultralights" was
specific.

-Robert

[Newps]

Matt Barrow wrote:

> "Newps" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>>
>>Bob Moore wrote:
>>
>>>Newps wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Also, I have a private with an expired medical.
>
> ^^^^^^^^
>
>>>How about a Flight Review.....61.56.
>>
>>Only if it's expired, he didn't say it was.
>
>
> ????




Flight reviews and medicals are different.

[Danny Dot]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
...
>
> "Newps" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>
>>
>> Danny Dot wrote:
>>> If I buy an older plane that qualifies for Sport Aviation (e.g. less
>>> than 1300 lbs), but was certified "Utility", do I need any paper work
>>> to fly it under Sport.
>>
>> No.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Also, I have a private with an expired medical. Do I need to do any
>>> paperwork or do I need to take any certification flights to fly under
>>> Sport Aviation?
>>
>> No, you're good to go.
>
> You do need to have a current flight review.
>

Is this the same bi-annual we need for private? Is this only needed if I
fly a passenger, i.e. if I am solo do I still need it.

Danny

[Jim Macklin]

The flight review is required for PIC, whether you carry
passengers or are solo. You can do it in any airplane in
which you're rated.


"Danny Dot" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in
message
| ...
| >
| > "Newps" > wrote in message
| > . ..
| >>
| >>
| >> Danny Dot wrote:
| >>> If I buy an older plane that qualifies for Sport
Aviation (e.g. less
| >>> than 1300 lbs), but was certified "Utility", do I need
any paper work
| >>> to fly it under Sport.
| >>
| >> No.
| >>
| >>
| >>>
| >>> Also, I have a private with an expired medical. Do I
need to do any
| >>> paperwork or do I need to take any certification
flights to fly under
| >>> Sport Aviation?
| >>
| >> No, you're good to go.
| >
| > You do need to have a current flight review.
| >
|
| Is this the same bi-annual we need for private? Is this
only needed if I
| fly a passenger, i.e. if I am solo do I still need it.
|
| Danny
|
|

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Danny Dot" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Newps" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>>
>>>
>>> Danny Dot wrote:
>>>> If I buy an older plane that qualifies for Sport Aviation (e.g. less
>>>> than 1300 lbs), but was certified "Utility", do I need any paper work
>>>> to fly it under Sport.
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, I have a private with an expired medical. Do I need to do any
>>>> paperwork or do I need to take any certification flights to fly under
>>>> Sport Aviation?
>>>
>>> No, you're good to go.
>>
>> You do need to have a current flight review.
>>
>
> Is this the same bi-annual we need for private? Is this only needed if I
> fly a passenger, i.e. if I am solo do I still need it.
>

Yes, Yes i.e. Yes

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Danny Dot" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Newps" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>>
>>>
>>> Danny Dot wrote:
>>>> If I buy an older plane that qualifies for Sport Aviation (e.g. less
>>>> than 1300 lbs), but was certified "Utility", do I need any paper work
>>>> to fly it under Sport.
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, I have a private with an expired medical. Do I need to do any
>>>> paperwork or do I need to take any certification flights to fly under
>>>> Sport Aviation?
>>>
>>> No, you're good to go.
>>
>> You do need to have a current flight review.
>>
>
> Is this the same bi-annual we need for private? Is this only needed if I
> fly a passenger, i.e. if I am solo do I still need it.
>
> Danny
>

My previous post was yes to all and right after I hit send I also thought of
other thing you need to check out. Insurance company requirements.