for the hangar queens

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Let's have a moment of silence for all the hangar queens, languishing
on the ground. Here are two 1-35s that are at least 25 years old, both
with less than 500 hours of airtime:

http://www.wingsandwheels.com/want-ads7.htm

Johan Larson

[Jack[_4_]]

I find that really a shame, because I have 128 hours in a 1-35 and it's
really a nice sailplane, in my opinion. Then again, I like tha flaps
better than spoilers. A 1-35 is really pretty rugged, and makes a fine
first sailplane, if one can get past the fear of looking down over the
nose at full flap.

Jack Womack
PIK-20B N77MA (TE)

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Thats cos they fly like crap ;)

Al


wrote:
> Let's have a moment of silence for all the hangar queens, languishing
> on the ground. Here are two 1-35s that are at least 25 years old, both
> with less than 500 hours of airtime:
>
> http://www.wingsandwheels.com/want-ads7.htm
>
> Johan Larson

[Tim Taylor]

wrote:
> Thats cos they fly like crap ;)
>
> Al
>
Now Al,

Tell us what you really think. Speaking of that what are you flying
these days?

Tim

[[email protected]]

sold the 22 to Europe.

I am borrowing a Ventus A until I get a new toy.

Regards

Al


Tim Taylor wrote:
> wrote:
> > Thats cos they fly like crap ;)
> >
> > Al
> >
> Now Al,
>
> Tell us what you really think. Speaking of that what are you flying
> these days?
>
> Tim

[Jack[_4_]]

Well,

If you're used to an ASW-22, you would probably think they fly like
crap. It's kind of like wealth... it's relative... Everyone knows that
Oprah is wealthy... but if Bill Gates woke up tomorrow with Oprah's
money... he'd hang himself! For someone that doesn't think he has to
beat the world, they fly fine. I did my badge work in one and it was
more of an accomplishment than having done it in glass, but then, less
of an accomplishment than doing it in a 1-26. My PIK flys like crap, or
does it? I don't have any trouble with the local Discus drivers...

Jack Womack
PIK-20B N77MA (TE)

[[email protected]]

Jack wrote:
> I find that really a shame, because I have 128 hours in a 1-35 and it's
> really a nice sailplane, in my opinion. Then again, I like tha flaps
> better than spoilers. A 1-35 is really pretty rugged, and makes a fine
> first sailplane, if one can get past the fear of looking down over the
> nose at full flap.

The one with only 250 hours is the real puzzler. Ten hours per year?
Whoever owned it should have sold it off while it was still worth
something.

Johan Larson

[Graeme Cant]

wrote:
>
> The one with only 250 hours is the real puzzler. Ten hours per year?
> Whoever owned it should have sold it off while it was still worth
> something.

But if he(we) thought that way he(we) wouldn't have bought a glider in
the first place.

GC

>
> Johan Larson
>

[kirk.stant]

wrote:
> sold the 22 to Europe.
>
> I am borrowing a Ventus A until I get a new toy.
>
> Regards
>
> Al


Hmm, Ventus A flies like crap, but goes like stink!

All a matter of priorities.

Still a shame about XC-capable gliders (even Schweizers) just sitting
around like that...

66

[[email protected]]

My first glider was a 1-35C. It served me well. Entering the 36:1 club
for only $15-18K is a good deal. The 1-35 was designed to compete with
the growth in fiberglass planes; while it could keep up, it still was a
bit shy on performance at the higher speeds.

I flew side-by-side flight performance comparisons with a friend in his
ASW-19. We were perfectly matched in the common flight regimes but
differed in three areas: 1) The 1-35 thermalled slower and tighter due
to lower wing loading and flaps, 2) The 1-35 landed extremely shorter
thanks to the flaps and steep approach angle, and 3) The 1-35
noticeably dropped below the ASW-19's glide when faster than 80 KIAS.

But high speed was not the reason I bought one. Learning cross-country
and safely landing very slowly in fields were the huge draws for me as
a new guy. At the time of purchase, I had 29 glider hours; the flaps
were no big deal for me due to high-time in powered airplanes.

My 1-35C was the plane that first took me away from the airport where I
learned to fly gliders.

It was a good ownership learning plane for me. That is, when I put a
dent into it learning how to assemble, move, or put the plane back in
the box, it was easy to fix. Being metal also allowed me to feel
comfortable about flying it during our cold Colorado winters. My
current plane is fiberglass and thus stays in its box during the cold
season.

For around $15K, these two 1-35s are a great buy for both the new guy
and the experienced guy.

Raul Boerner

[jb92563]

Geez....at least those are being shared with the public so someone else
can enjoy them.

I know of a number of aircraft that people have "Collected" and never
fly, a couple Pliatus B4's that are virtually brand new with maybe 50
hours.......they will die from corrosion before they ever make 100
hours.

Its truly sad and I think all the old ships should be brought to the
table so us new owners can progress through some cool ships and not
have to trade 1-26's until we hit the jackpot and make the jump from
under $10,000 to the $30,000 + ships.

There is a real gap in the 10k to 30k range. Those 1-35's fit the bill
though although I can get 1-35 performance in my HP-11 for half the
cost and look out through the top of the canopy with the 90 degree
flaps just as well.

Thats my under 10k dollars worth.

Ray

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I also had a lot of fun in a 1-35c I co-owned a few years ago. I got most
of my badges and many state records in it. It was fun to fly and pretty
easy to fly. A great value. However, I must admit that while the flaps
were not a problem for me (or anyone with experience with flaps) I still
prefer airbrakes - give the choice.

As mentioned by someone else, the used Ventus is also a great value. It has
a reputation of being tough to fly, but I didn't think it was difficult to
fly. It is certainly not as easy to fly as a Junior or Discus, but I think
it is a great value in regard to performance for the price. But I must
admit that when I flew a Discus after flying the Ventus, I was amazed at how
wonderful the Discus flies. It is extremely easy to fly! Perhaps my
experience was partly due to the fact that I was at home in the cockpit
because it is identical to the Ventus cockpit. So, my point is that I would
take an old Discus over an old Ventus any day. But so would many other
pilots and the prices reflect that.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> My first glider was a 1-35C. It served me well. Entering the 36:1 club
> for only $15-18K is a good deal. The 1-35 was designed to compete with
> the growth in fiberglass planes; while it could keep up, it still was a
> bit shy on performance at the higher speeds.
>
> I flew side-by-side flight performance comparisons with a friend in his
> ASW-19. We were perfectly matched in the common flight regimes but
> differed in three areas: 1) The 1-35 thermalled slower and tighter due
> to lower wing loading and flaps, 2) The 1-35 landed extremely shorter
> thanks to the flaps and steep approach angle, and 3) The 1-35
> noticeably dropped below the ASW-19's glide when faster than 80 KIAS.
>
> But high speed was not the reason I bought one. Learning cross-country
> and safely landing very slowly in fields were the huge draws for me as
> a new guy. At the time of purchase, I had 29 glider hours; the flaps
> were no big deal for me due to high-time in powered airplanes.
>
> My 1-35C was the plane that first took me away from the airport where I
> learned to fly gliders.
>
> It was a good ownership learning plane for me. That is, when I put a
> dent into it learning how to assemble, move, or put the plane back in
> the box, it was easy to fix. Being metal also allowed me to feel
> comfortable about flying it during our cold Colorado winters. My
> current plane is fiberglass and thus stays in its box during the cold
> season.
>
> For around $15K, these two 1-35s are a great buy for both the new guy
> and the experienced guy.
>
> Raul Boerner
>

[[email protected]]

jb92563 wrote:
> Geez....at least those are being shared with the public so someone else
> can enjoy them.
>
> I know of a number of aircraft that people have "Collected" and never
> fly, a couple Pliatus B4's that are virtually brand new with maybe 50
> hours.......they will die from corrosion before they ever make 100
> hours.
>
> Its truly sad and I think all the old ships should be brought to the
> table so us new owners can progress through some cool ships and not
> have to trade 1-26's until we hit the jackpot and make the jump from
> under $10,000 to the $30,000 + ships.
>
> There is a real gap in the 10k to 30k range.

Hmm. Let's quant this up. Here are the prices for used sailplanes in
the Wings & Wheels ads with prices in US dollars, rounded to the
nearest thousand, and divided into price-decades:

4K
4K
4K
5K
5K
6K
6K
6K
7K
7K
7K
7K
8K
9K
9K

10K
10K
10K
10K
10K
11K
11K
11K
11K
11K
12K
12K
12K
13K
13K
13K
14K
15K
15K
15K
15K
15K
16K
16K
16K
16K
16K
16K
17K
17K
17K
18K
19K
19K

20K
20K
20K
20K
20K
21K
21K
22K
22K
23K
23K
24K
25K
25K
25K
26K
28K
29K

31K
32K
33K
35K
36K
38K

42K
44K
45K

50K
50K
50K
52K
53K
54K
55K
58K

78K

80K

90K
92K

Based on this, it seems a buyer has plenty of options at most prices,
with two exceptions. If he want to pay something in the forties, he is
SOL, and if he wants to pay more than sixy, he should probably be
looking at new rather than used ships.

Johan Larson

[[email protected]]

kirk.stant wrote:
> wrote:
> > sold the 22 to Europe.
> >
> > I am borrowing a Ventus A until I get a new toy.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Al
>
>
> Hmm, Ventus A flies like crap, but goes like stink!
>

exactly :)

> All a matter of priorities.
>
> Still a shame about XC-capable gliders (even Schweizers) just sitting
> around like that...

True, I would rate them more as a club rental glider than a hard core
XC machine.


>
> 66

[gfoster07k]

jb92563 wrote:
> Geez....at least those are being shared with the public so someone else
> can enjoy them.
>
> I know of a number of aircraft that people have "Collected" and never
> fly, a couple Pliatus B4's that are virtually brand new with maybe 50
> hours.......they will die from corrosion before they ever make 100
> hours.
>
> Its truly sad and I think all the old ships should be brought to the
> table so us new owners can progress through some cool ships and not
> have to trade 1-26's until we hit the jackpot and make the jump from
> under $10,000 to the $30,000 + ships.
>
> There is a real gap in the 10k to 30k range. Those 1-35's fit the bill
> though although I can get 1-35 performance in my HP-11 for half the
> cost and look out through the top of the canopy with the 90 degree
> flaps just as well.
>
> Thats my under 10k dollars worth.
>
> Ray

I have been looking for a Pilatus B4 for some time and I too have found
at least three (maybe including the two you mentioned) and maybe a
fourth that have been sitting for a long time (years) and the owners
will not sell them. I have seen the same syndrome in cars. I am very
well aware of two serious cases wherein one owner has a collection of
serious classics (Porche, Zagato Fiat) and is letting them rot in a
field by his house. The second owner has Roll Royce, Bugatti, Jaguar,
etc and the same thing. Rotting away in storage that is not protected
from the weather. Strange!!

Greg

[Nyal Williams]

Romantics can't give up their dreams; it's that simple.


At 02:06 08 December 2006, Gfoster07k wrote:
>
>jb92563 wrote:
>> Geez....at least those are being shared with the public
>>so someone else
>> can enjoy them.
>>
>> I know of a number of aircraft that people have 'Collected'
>>and never
>> fly, a couple Pliatus B4's that are virtually brand
>>new with maybe 50
>> hours.......they will die from corrosion before they
>>ever make 100
>> hours.
>>
>> Its truly sad and I think all the old ships should
>>be brought to the
>> table so us new owners can progress through some cool
>>ships and not
>> have to trade 1-26's until we hit the jackpot and
>>make the jump from
>> under $10,000 to the $30,000 + ships.
>>
>> There is a real gap in the 10k to 30k range. Those
>>1-35's fit the bill
>> though although I can get 1-35 performance in my HP-11
>>for half the
>> cost and look out through the top of the canopy with
>>the 90 degree
>> flaps just as well.
>>
>> Thats my under 10k dollars worth.
>>
>> Ray
>
>I have been looking for a Pilatus B4 for some time
>and I too have found
>at least three (maybe including the two you mentioned)
>and maybe a
>fourth that have been sitting for a long time (years)
>and the owners
>will not sell them. I have seen the same syndrome
>in cars. I am very
>well aware of two serious cases wherein one owner has
>a collection of
>serious classics (Porche, Zagato Fiat) and is letting
>them rot in a
>field by his house. The second owner has Roll Royce,
>Bugatti, Jaguar,
>etc and the same thing. Rotting away in storage that
>is not protected
>from the weather. Strange!!
>
>Greg
>
>