Digital Paper displays

[Roger Worden]

In the current issues of aviation magazines, there are ads for eFlyBook.
This device contains various flight documents for power pilots, but the
interesting part is the use of a "digital paper" display. Other than retail
store signs, this is the first commercial use of digital paper that I have
seen. Digital paper is a technology that uses tiny rotating beads, black on
one side and white on the other, electrostatically rotated, forming a
non-volatile, non-luminous display. The upside is that it is clearly visible
in full sunlight! The downside is that right now DP is limited to
monochrome. I am hoping that the PDA makers will someday produce a DP-based
unit, which might eventually be useful with SeeYouMobile, WinPilot and the
like. It's really hard to see the display on my HP IPAQ in the cockpit, even
though the one I selected was recommended as one of the most visible. I did
some searching and did not find any hints of such a product yet.

Anyone have more information?

[Clint]

Roger Worden wrote:
> In the current issues of aviation magazines, there are ads for eFlyBook.
> This device contains various flight documents for power pilots, but the
> interesting part is the use of a "digital paper" display. Other than retail
> store signs, this is the first commercial use of digital paper that I have
> seen. Digital paper is a technology that uses tiny rotating beads, black on
> one side and white on the other, electrostatically rotated, forming a
> non-volatile, non-luminous display. The upside is that it is clearly visible
> in full sunlight! The downside is that right now DP is limited to
> monochrome. I am hoping that the PDA makers will someday produce a DP-based
> unit, which might eventually be useful with SeeYouMobile, WinPilot and the
> like. It's really hard to see the display on my HP IPAQ in the cockpit, even
> though the one I selected was recommended as one of the most visible. I did
> some searching and did not find any hints of such a product yet.
>
> Anyone have more information?

Colour is overated in the cockpit. Far prefer my monochrome palm
running soaringpilot to my colour ipaq running seeyou mobile

Clinton
Lak 12

[Clint]

Roger Worden wrote:
> In the current issues of aviation magazines, there are ads for eFlyBook.
> This device contains various flight documents for power pilots, but the
> interesting part is the use of a "digital paper" display. Other than retail
> store signs, this is the first commercial use of digital paper that I have
> seen. Digital paper is a technology that uses tiny rotating beads, black on
> one side and white on the other, electrostatically rotated, forming a
> non-volatile, non-luminous display. The upside is that it is clearly visible
> in full sunlight! The downside is that right now DP is limited to
> monochrome. I am hoping that the PDA makers will someday produce a DP-based
> unit, which might eventually be useful with SeeYouMobile, WinPilot and the
> like. It's really hard to see the display on my HP IPAQ in the cockpit, even
> though the one I selected was recommended as one of the most visible. I did
> some searching and did not find any hints of such a product yet.
>
> Anyone have more information?

Colour is overated in the cockpit. Far prefer my monochrome palm
running soaringpilot to my colour ipaq running seeyou mobile

Clinton
Lak 12

[Mark Hawkins]

If you want to pay $3000 you can buy one of the prototype kits from
E-Ink (display maker). It is a fully functional system running a
version of Linux. You might be able to then run Cumulus
(http://www.kflog.org/cumulus/). It's he only soaring app that I know
of that runs under linux.

Later!

-Mark
Clint wrote:
> Roger Worden wrote:
> > In the current issues of aviation magazines, there are ads for eFlyBook.
> > This device contains various flight documents for power pilots, but the
> > interesting part is the use of a "digital paper" display. Other than retail
> > store signs, this is the first commercial use of digital paper that I have
> > seen. Digital paper is a technology that uses tiny rotating beads, black on
> > one side and white on the other, electrostatically rotated, forming a
> > non-volatile, non-luminous display. The upside is that it is clearly visible
> > in full sunlight! The downside is that right now DP is limited to
> > monochrome. I am hoping that the PDA makers will someday produce a DP-based
> > unit, which might eventually be useful with SeeYouMobile, WinPilot and the
> > like. It's really hard to see the display on my HP IPAQ in the cockpit, even
> > though the one I selected was recommended as one of the most visible. I did
> > some searching and did not find any hints of such a product yet.
> >
> > Anyone have more information?
>
> Colour is overated in the cockpit. Far prefer my monochrome palm
> running soaringpilot to my colour ipaq running seeyou mobile
>
> Clinton
> Lak 12

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I was very curious about the display so I called the manufacturer of the
hardware. I like the large size and sunlight readability. But they said it
had a very slow update rate that probably wouldn't work well for a moving
map display.

Paul Remde

"Roger Worden" > wrote in message
t...
> In the current issues of aviation magazines, there are ads for eFlyBook.
> This device contains various flight documents for power pilots, but the
> interesting part is the use of a "digital paper" display. Other than
> retail
> store signs, this is the first commercial use of digital paper that I have
> seen. Digital paper is a technology that uses tiny rotating beads, black
> on
> one side and white on the other, electrostatically rotated, forming a
> non-volatile, non-luminous display. The upside is that it is clearly
> visible
> in full sunlight! The downside is that right now DP is limited to
> monochrome. I am hoping that the PDA makers will someday produce a
> DP-based
> unit, which might eventually be useful with SeeYouMobile, WinPilot and the
> like. It's really hard to see the display on my HP IPAQ in the cockpit,
> even
> though the one I selected was recommended as one of the most visible. I
> did
> some searching and did not find any hints of such a product yet.
>
> Anyone have more information?
>
>

[kirk.stant]

> Colour is overated in the cockpit. Far prefer my monochrome palm
> running soaringpilot to my colour ipaq running seeyou mobile
>
> Clinton
> Lak 12

The trick is to be very selective in what color is displayed. Most
moving map data is eye candy only, especially on flatlands.

The nice thing about Seeyou mobile is you can tailor the display to
show just what you want, and make the lines big enough and dark enough
to be seen easily on an iPaq in direct sunlight.

When terrain is desirable (such as in ridge country), again the map can
be setup to only show the ridges that are of interest.

Takes some time at home to tweak, but worth it!

Kirk
66

[Martin Gregorie[_1_]]

Roger Worden wrote:
> In the current issues of aviation magazines, there are ads for eFlyBook.
> This device contains various flight documents for power pilots, but the
> interesting part is the use of a "digital paper" display. Other than retail
> store signs, this is the first commercial use of digital paper that I have
> seen.
>
Mororola's new F3 mobile phone, which apparently has just started
shipping in India, uses an E ink display. Its a low cost phone aimed at
3rd world users. The display retains what it was last showing when the
phone is turned off.

If you want to check the display legibility, details and photos are here:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/11/28/moto_ships_motofone/


--
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On Dec 9, 12:38 am, "Roger Worden" > wrote:
> In the current issues of aviation magazines, there are ads for eFlyBook.
> This device contains various flight documents for power pilots, but the
> interesting part is the use of a "digital paper" display. Other than retail
> store signs, this is the first commercial use of digital paper that I have
> seen. Digital paper is a technology that uses tiny rotating beads, black on
> one side and white on the other, electrostatically rotated, forming a
> non-volatile, non-luminous display. The upside is that it is clearly visible
> in full sunlight! The downside is that right now DP is limited to
> monochrome. I am hoping that the PDA makers will someday produce a DP-based
> unit, which might eventually be useful with SeeYouMobile, WinPilot and the
> like. It's really hard to see the display on my HP IPAQ in the cockpit, even
> though the one I selected was recommended as one of the most visible. I did
> some searching and did not find any hints of such a product yet.
>
> Anyone have more information?

eInk has a terribly slow update rate, such that entry of a numeric
value the way we do it in the SN10 is very difficult. Also high UV
sensitivity. It is definitely a technology to watch but has a long
way to go prior usability for flight computers. As a replacement
for very static display (ie, paper map), it is quite good. Extremely
high contrast (better than newsprint, much much better than LCD).

First consumer product to use this was a Japanese-only eBook
a couple years back, followed by the recently available in USA model.

Best Regards, Dave

PS: Anyone that attended my SSA talks on past&future
glider instrumentation a few years back, already knew this ;-)

[Greg Arnold]

About time that there is a cell phone with a screen that can be read
when outside.


Martin Gregorie wrote:
> Roger Worden wrote:
>> In the current issues of aviation magazines, there are ads for eFlyBook.
>> This device contains various flight documents for power pilots, but the
>> interesting part is the use of a "digital paper" display. Other than
>> retail
>> store signs, this is the first commercial use of digital paper that I
>> have
>> seen.
> >
> Mororola's new F3 mobile phone, which apparently has just started
> shipping in India, uses an E ink display. Its a low cost phone aimed at
> 3rd world users. The display retains what it was last showing when the
> phone is turned off.
>
> If you want to check the display legibility, details and photos are here:
>
> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/11/28/moto_ships_motofone/
>
>

[Greg Arnold]

Martin Gregorie wrote:
> Roger Worden wrote:
>> In the current issues of aviation magazines, there are ads for eFlyBook.
>> This device contains various flight documents for power pilots, but the
>> interesting part is the use of a "digital paper" display. Other than
>> retail
>> store signs, this is the first commercial use of digital paper that I
>> have
>> seen.
> >
> Mororola's new F3 mobile phone, which apparently has just started
> shipping in India, uses an E ink display. Its a low cost phone aimed at
> 3rd world users. The display retains what it was last showing when the
> phone is turned off.
>
> If you want to check the display legibility, details and photos are here:
>
> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/11/28/moto_ships_motofone/
>

Here is more about the technology, plus a photo of a screen that seems
about the right size for a glider cockpit:

http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9257262400.html

[Roger Worden]

That page to this one about a color electronic paper from Fujitsu... even
more promising.

http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9257262400.html

"Greg Arnold" > wrote in message
...
> Martin Gregorie wrote:
> > Roger Worden wrote:
> >> In the current issues of aviation magazines, there are ads for
eFlyBook.
> >> This device contains various flight documents for power pilots, but the
> >> interesting part is the use of a "digital paper" display. Other than
> >> retail
> >> store signs, this is the first commercial use of digital paper that I
> >> have
> >> seen.
> > >
> > Mororola's new F3 mobile phone, which apparently has just started
> > shipping in India, uses an E ink display. Its a low cost phone aimed at
> > 3rd world users. The display retains what it was last showing when the
> > phone is turned off.
> >
> > If you want to check the display legibility, details and photos are
here:
> >
> > http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/11/28/moto_ships_motofone/
> >
>
> Here is more about the technology, plus a photo of a screen that seems
> about the right size for a glider cockpit:
>
> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9257262400.html

[5Z]

On Dec 10, 10:11 pm, "Roger Worden" > wrote:
> That page to this one about a color electronic paper from Fujitsu... even
> more promising.

Now THAT will be nice. I currently get my sectional charts in
electronic form, then print the parts I need and place into a thin
booklet of plastic sheet protectors. These displays would make an
excellent addition to a moving map display on the screen. The digital
paper can provide extra non-animated information, while the screen on
the panel can be less cluttered and provide only what's needed for fast
inflight decisions.

-Tom