Hmmm a BD5J with zero hours FS [Archive]

Al G[_1_]

December 21st 06, 11:36 PM

"Anthony W" > wrote in message
news:7FEih.6931$Pq4.4740@trndny08...
> Al G wrote:
>> "jc" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Al G wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>> 358 lbs. Pretty Good. Is that "ready to fly"? I.E. a Basic Operating
>>>> Weight?
>>>>
>>>> Can anybody compete for a Guiness World Record "Lightest Jet"?
>>>> What are the rules? Obviously it need not be an actual flying
>>>> airplane...
>>>
>>> CriCri beats that easily IIRC the twin piston version is ~180lb empty
>>> and
>>> ~375lb MTOW. The twin jet version would be similar with the same
>>> airframe.
>>>
>>> http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> jc
>>>
>>> LEGAL - I don't believe what I wrote and neither should you. Sobriety
>>> and/or
>>> sanity of the author is not guaranteed
>>>
>>> EMAIL - and are not valid email
>>> addresses. news2x at perentie is valid for a while.
>>
>> A couple of hundred pounds lighter, and actually flown, many times,
>> successfully.
>>
>> http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/travel_and_transport/aircraft/smallest_jet_aircraft.aspx
>>
>> Too bad there is no way to notify Guiness, online. The only contact I
>> could find was snail mail.
>>
>> Al G
>
> I'll donate 4 bits for a stamp...
>
> Tony

Oh Jeez, and I'm already laying low from Zoom's threats/attention. Now I
should attack Jaun's "Record". I'm a little surprised even Guinness would
accept,
for a record, an airplane that had never flown. Besides, Zoom has flown over
twice as many aircraft types as the current Guinness holder. Obviously they
are not up to date.

Al G

Dan[_2_]

December 21st 06, 11:40 PM

Deaf2u wrote:
> I just want to know why he doesn't fly it, or at least watch it fly. I have
> nothing against the guy, I don't know him and I'm not going to judge by who
> he calls a friend. It just seems that he's put in a lot of effort here, I'd
> want to see it fly.
>
>
>
I wonder how many aircraft are built and never flown by the builder.
I can understand building for the fun of it then selling, but I venture
to say there are some that the builder is afraid to fly. This is
assuming the aircraft passes inspection in the first place.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

ChuckSlusarczyk

December 22nd 06, 12:41 AM

In article >, Al G says...
>
>
>"Deaf2u" > wrote in message
...
>> http://www.global-air.com/global/g05229.htm
>>
>> Could it be?? You'd think he'd at least fly it once. Or watch it fly.
>> What's the story here Juan?
>>
>
>358 lbs. Pretty Good. Is that "ready to fly"? I.E. a Basic Operating Weight?
>
>Can anybody compete for a Guiness World Record "Lightest Jet"?
>What are the rules? Obviously it need not be an actual flying airplane...

I guess we could build one out of Balsa and go for the record seeing how it
doesn't need to fly to get the record.Heh Heh how about a Scale RC turbo jet
model of an F-15 I seen one fly. Beats yawn on 2 counts ,it's smaller and it
flys . Told ya yawn doesn't have the gonads to fly the thing .So much for his
faith in the BEDE design .All sizzle no bacon.

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

Richard Isakson

December 22nd 06, 02:14 AM

Warning!: From what Juan has written on this newsgroup, he hasn't been
able start his engine in a Year and a half.

Warning!: From what Juan has written on this newsgroup, this engine doesn't
have it's fuel control unit that would protect it from a turbine over temp.

Warning!: From the description of this engine in Janes, this engine doesn't
have a turbine disk failure system. This makes Juan's airplane lighter than
all other BD-5Js and won him recognition as having the lightest non-flying,
non-running BD-5J in the world to be recognized by a beer company.

Warning!: If you are near this airplane while its running be very worried.
If the turbine over temps and starts shedding turbine blades, there's
nothing to stop them from going through fuselage structural members, flight
controls, control cables, fuel tanks and anyone standing nearby.

Did Juan forget to mention all this in his ad?

Rich

DABEAR

December 22nd 06, 02:35 AM

Deaf2u wrote:
> http://www.global-air.com/global/g05229.htm
>
> Could it be?? You'd think he'd at least fly it once. Or watch it fly. What's
> the story here Juan?

Damned good looking, er ~ stipulation ~ had to put up a Free
Advertisement for it:

www.waterworkscase.com

Up towards the top of the page...

What if I don't have a wife...can I have just any forge a
signature..."Mrs. DA BEAR!!!" (!?)

DABEAR

December 22nd 06, 02:38 AM

Al G wrote:

> Can anybody compete for a Guiness World Record "Lightest Jet"?
> What are the rules? Obviously it need not be an actual flying airplane...
>
> Al G

You see those two ropes hiding behind the wing? <G>

U Buy, U Control...U can do anything on the outside of one of
these...including touch the face of God, much like bug squat on a
windshield...

So, when exactly did Cox quit the .049 and get into circular fans...?

DABEAR

December 22nd 06, 02:39 AM

Dan wrote:

> What his excuse is now
> is anyone's guess.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Three words for you:

"Defense Legal Fund"

DABEAR

December 22nd 06, 02:41 AM

Dan wrote:

> What his excuse is now
> is anyone's guess.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Three words for you:

"Defense Legal Fund"

DABEAR

December 22nd 06, 02:45 AM

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

>.So much for his
> faith in the BEDE design .All sizzle no bacon.
>
> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

If he's cut 800 pounds out it, it's no longer a BEDE design...

....and its his bacon he's worrying about when it comes to sizzling!
Especially when the thing augers in with him in it!

You know, take off one of the wings and tail, and it looks just like
one of those George Foreman frypans...

No guts, no glory! LOL!!!

DABEAR

December 22nd 06, 02:48 AM

Richard Isakson wrote:
> Warning!: From what Juan has written on this newsgroup, he hasn't been
> able start his engine in a Year and a half.
>
> Warning!: From what Juan has written on this newsgroup, this engine doesn't
> have it's fuel control unit that would protect it from a turbine over temp.
>
> Warning!: From the description of this engine in Janes, this engine doesn't
> have a turbine disk failure system. This makes Juan's airplane lighter than
> all other BD-5Js and won him recognition as having the lightest non-flying,
> non-running BD-5J in the world to be recognized by a beer company.
>
> Warning!: If you are near this airplane while its running be very worried.
> If the turbine over temps and starts shedding turbine blades, there's
> nothing to stop them from going through fuselage structural members, flight
> controls, control cables, fuel tanks and anyone standing nearby.
>
> Did Juan forget to mention all this in his ad?
>
> Rich

No, I'm sure it's in there! You just got to read between the lines ~
the fuel and control lines in this case ~ but those count as "lines,"
right? They go with the plane...don't they?

Well, it's like they always say:

Juan for the money, two for the no show, three to get ready! Followed
by sounds of crash, explosion, funeral dirge...in that order.

Harry K

December 22nd 06, 04:42 AM

Deaf2u wrote:
> I just want to know why he doesn't fly it, or at least watch it fly. I have
> nothing against the guy, I don't know him and I'm not going to judge by who
> he calls a friend. It just seems that he's put in a lot of effort here, I'd
> want to see it fly.

But how much time did he put into it? From the description it looks
like he bought a partially finished kit in Australia.

Harry K

Steve Foley[_2_]

December 22nd 06, 10:39 AM

But it's a damn fine beer company.

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
...
> This makes Juan's airplane lighter than
> all other BD-5Js and won him recognition as having the lightest
> non-flying,
> non-running BD-5J in the world to be recognized by a beer company.

Deaf2u

December 22nd 06, 11:14 AM

Well once again, disregarding the apparently intense battle\hatred DABEAR
has for Juan I still find it curious. He's owned this plane, taken pride and
made some fairly loud noises about owning it. He has a website about it and
has been all about this plane for a while and yet has no desire to see it
fulfill it's mission. I have no interest in it, I'm more interested in slow
planes with floats but I am curious.

The ad says he now wants a motorglider, now that's a far way from a little
jet.

Montblack

December 22nd 06, 03:34 PM

("Richard Riley" wrote)
> We talked about this here back when the Yawner got his "record." It's not
> for the *lightest* jet, it's for the *smallest* jet. IIRC, the CriCri was
> lighter, but was a little bigger in wingspan or length.
>
> Of course, and airplane doesn't have to actually fly to be an airplane.
> I'm told there's a broom and a carpet on the FAA registry.

The Cri-Cri is about 10 inches longer.
The Cri-Cri weighs half as much.
The Cri-Cri's wingspan is shorter by about a foot. (16' vs. 17')
The Cri-Cri (jet) flies, has flown, will fly, did fly...

http://home.regent.edu/ruthven/bd-5.html
BD-5

http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
Cri-Cri (jet)

http://www.flight.cz/cricri/english/
GREAT Cri-Cri site. Check out the (new) NZ video.

Montblack
Cri-Cri fan

Gig 601XL Builder

December 22nd 06, 04:17 PM

"Deaf2u" > wrote in message
...
>I just want to know why he doesn't fly it, or at least watch it fly. I have
>nothing against the guy, I don't know him and I'm not going to judge by who
>he calls a friend. It just seems that he's put in a lot of effort here, I'd
>want to see it fly.
>
>
>

I think he is probably scared of it. I would be.

And I have to disagree with you. Who one chooses as friends is an excellent
judge of one's character. It bay even be the best way.

Al G[_1_]

December 22nd 06, 04:19 PM

"Deaf2u" > wrote in message
...
> Well once again, disregarding the apparently intense battle\hatred DABEAR
> has for Juan I still find it curious. He's owned this plane, taken pride
> and made some fairly loud noises about owning it. He has a website about
> it and has been all about this plane for a while and yet has no desire to
> see it fulfill it's mission. I have no interest in it, I'm more interested
> in slow planes with floats but I am curious.
>

I agree. After years of association with EAA folks, I find this a very
uncommon
attitude in a home builder. Never seen anyone like him. Richard's warnings
are probably the root cause. And, as Richard so succinctly said:

> "This makes Juan's airplane lighter than
>all other BD-5Js and won him recognition as having the lightest non-flying,
>non-running BD-5J in the world to be recognized by a beer company.

I guess when you look at the record in a category/class kind of way, maybe
he
does hold it. A flying airplane, weighed with a pilot and fuel, would
probably be in
a completely differant class.

Al G

Al G[_1_]

December 22nd 06, 04:23 PM

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:36:10 -0800, "Al G"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Anthony W" > wrote in message
>>news:7FEih.6931$Pq4.4740@trndny08...
>>> Al G wrote:
>>>> "jc" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Al G wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> 358 lbs. Pretty Good. Is that "ready to fly"? I.E. a Basic Operating
>>>>>> Weight?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anybody compete for a Guiness World Record "Lightest Jet"?
>>>>>> What are the rules? Obviously it need not be an actual flying
>>>>>> airplane...
>>>>>
>>>>> CriCri beats that easily IIRC the twin piston version is ~180lb empty
>>>>> and
>>>>> ~375lb MTOW. The twin jet version would be similar with the same
>>>>> airframe.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> regards
>>>>>
>>>>> jc
>>>>>
>>>>> LEGAL - I don't believe what I wrote and neither should you. Sobriety
>>>>> and/or
>>>>> sanity of the author is not guaranteed
>>>>>
>>>>> EMAIL - and are not valid email
>>>>> addresses. news2x at perentie is valid for a while.
>>>>
>>>> A couple of hundred pounds lighter, and actually flown, many times,
>>>> successfully.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/travel_and_transport/aircraft/smallest_jet_aircraft.aspx
>>>>
>>>> Too bad there is no way to notify Guiness, online. The only contact I
>>>> could find was snail mail.
>>>>
>>>> Al G
>>>
>>> I'll donate 4 bits for a stamp...
>>>
>>> Tony
>>
>> Oh Jeez, and I'm already laying low from Zoom's threats/attention. Now
>> I
>>should attack Jaun's "Record". I'm a little surprised even Guinness would
>>accept,
>>for a record, an airplane that had never flown. Besides, Zoom has flown
>>over
>>twice as many aircraft types as the current Guinness holder. Obviously
>>they
>>are not up to date.
>>
>
> We talked about this here back when the Yawner got his "record." It's
> not for the *lightest* jet, it's for the *smallest* jet. IIRC, the
> CriCri was lighter, but was a little bigger in wingspan or length.
>

oh. damn, I missed that.
I sit corrected.

Al G

john smith

December 22nd 06, 04:44 PM

Isn't Juan's buddy Zoom a test pilot?
Maybe he could do the flight test program for Juan?

Dan[_2_]

December 22nd 06, 05:12 PM

Montblack wrote:
> ("Richard Riley" wrote)
>> We talked about this here back when the Yawner got his "record." It's not
>> for the *lightest* jet, it's for the *smallest* jet. IIRC, the CriCri was
>> lighter, but was a little bigger in wingspan or length.
>>
>> Of course, and airplane doesn't have to actually fly to be an airplane.
>> I'm told there's a broom and a carpet on the FAA registry.
>
>
> The Cri-Cri is about 10 inches longer.
> The Cri-Cri weighs half as much.
> The Cri-Cri's wingspan is shorter by about a foot. (16' vs. 17')
> The Cri-Cri (jet) flies, has flown, will fly, did fly...
>
> http://home.regent.edu/ruthven/bd-5.html
> BD-5
>
> http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
> Cri-Cri (jet)
>
> http://www.flight.cz/cricri/english/
> GREAT Cri-Cri site. Check out the (new) NZ video.
>
>
> Montblack
> Cri-Cri fan
>
>
What is it about the design that makes it so unsafe? It looks a bit
short coupled, but that's the only thing that jumps out at me.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Gig 601XL Builder

December 22nd 06, 05:18 PM

"Al G" > wrote in message
...
>
> I guess when you look at the record in a category/class kind of way, maybe
> he
> does hold it. A flying airplane, weighed with a pilot and fuel, would
> probably be in
> a completely differant class.
>

If the plane never leaves the ground it isn't an airplane as far as I'm
concerned. Think how easy it would be to just put together some cardboard
and a light jet engine and call it the lightest jet airplane.

Gig 601XL Builder

December 22nd 06, 05:19 PM

"john smith" > wrote in message
...
> Isn't Juan's buddy Zoom a test pilot?
> Maybe he could do the flight test program for Juan?
>

Even Zooooom isn't that stupid.

Deaf2u

December 22nd 06, 05:49 PM

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
...
>
>
> And I have to disagree with you. Who one chooses as friends is an
> excellent judge of one's character. It bay even be the best way.

I'm sure it is, and if a persons associates are dubious it leaves one one
cautious about him. But I've always been willing to guage people as I find
them, not nescessarily on what I've heard. Not really the topic I had in
mind though.

Dan[_2_]

December 22nd 06, 06:03 PM

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> "john smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Isn't Juan's buddy Zoom a test pilot?
>> Maybe he could do the flight test program for Juan?
>>
>
> Even Zooooom isn't that stupid.
>
>
No, but he is crazy. Maybe someone needs to put him on the spot to
prove how big and brave he really is :) You know "put up or shut up."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Deaf2u

December 22nd 06, 06:18 PM

I think to qualify for a Guinnes record you have to actually apply. In any
case I'd likely give it to the Cri-Cri on the basis of non-flight, but here
is a yet smaller craft. Perhaps it is too small to qualify as an aircraft,
I'd give him any record he wants, this guy truly is the real thing.

http://www.jet-man.com/actuel_eng.html

Montblack

December 22nd 06, 06:56 PM

("Dan" wrote)
>> http://www.flight.cz/cricri/english/
>> GREAT Cri-Cri site. Check out the (new) NZ video.

> What is it about the design that makes it so unsafe? It looks a bit
> short coupled, but that's the only thing that jumps out at me.

Dan is asking this of the BD-5J
http://home.regent.edu/ruthven/bd-5.html

....not the Cri-Cri :-)

Montblack

Anthony W

December 22nd 06, 07:18 PM

Deaf2u wrote:
> I think to qualify for a Guinnes record you have to actually apply. In any
> case I'd likely give it to the Cri-Cri on the basis of non-flight, but here
> is a yet smaller craft. Perhaps it is too small to qualify as an aircraft,
> I'd give him any record he wants, this guy truly is the real thing.
>
> http://www.jet-man.com/actuel_eng.html

I saw that on the news. It has to be one of the coolest things I've
ever seen.

Tony

Anthony W

December 22nd 06, 07:20 PM

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

> If the plane never leaves the ground it isn't an airplane as far as I'm
> concerned. Think how easy it would be to just put together some cardboard
> and a light jet engine and call it the lightest jet airplane.

Couldn't someone toss a couple of those model plane jet engines on an
ultralight and take the record for smallest jet? It would take some
research to select the right plane but I'd go with one of Chuck's planes...

Tony

Wayne Paul

December 22nd 06, 07:37 PM

"Anthony W" > wrote in message
news:seWih.49$kD4.34@trndny06...
> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>
>> If the plane never leaves the ground it isn't an airplane as far as I'm
>> concerned. Think how easy it would be to just put together some cardboard
>> and a light jet engine and call it the lightest jet airplane.
>
> Couldn't someone toss a couple of those model plane jet engines on an
> ultralight and take the record for smallest jet? It would take some
> research to select the right plane but I'd go with one of Chuck's
> planes...
>
> Tony

Add a couple model plane jet engines to an ultralight and you would have
developed a jet airplane with the slowest max speed. You can file your new
world record with "Ripley's Believe It or Not."

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com

Paul Tomblin

December 22nd 06, 08:58 PM

In a previous article, "Montblack" > said:
>The Cri-Cri weighs half as much.

It does? That page you linked for the jet Cri-Cri says it weighs 170kg.
The Guiness certificate for Wan's BD5J says it weighs 162kg.

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"Why are we hiding from the police, mommy?"
"Because we use vi, dear, and they use emacs."

ChuckSlusarczyk

December 22nd 06, 10:58 PM

In article >, Wayne Paul says...
>
>
>"Anthony W" > wrote in message
>news:seWih.49$kD4.34@trndny06...
>> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>>
>>> If the plane never leaves the ground it isn't an airplane as far as I'm
>>> concerned. Think how easy it would be to just put together some cardboard
>>> and a light jet engine and call it the lightest jet airplane.
>>
>> Couldn't someone toss a couple of those model plane jet engines on an
>> ultralight and take the record for smallest jet? It would take some
>> research to select the right plane but I'd go with one of Chuck's
>> planes...
>>
>> Tony
>
>Add a couple model plane jet engines to an ultralight and you would have
>developed a jet airplane with the slowest max speed. You can file your new
>world record with "Ripley's Believe It or Not."

Actually it's been done twice.Once on a Mitchell wing that flew I think at SnF
about 10 years ago and a couple years ago with a twin jet on a Pteredactyl flown
by Jack Mc Cornack. I saw them both. They were slow alright :-0

Chuck S

Anthony W

December 22nd 06, 11:21 PM

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> In a previous article, "Montblack" > said:
>> The Cri-Cri weighs half as much.
>
> It does? That page you linked for the jet Cri-Cri says it weighs 170kg.
> The Guiness certificate for Wan's BD5J says it weighs 162kg.

But the Cri Cri flies and it would take at least another 10 Kg of stuff
to get the juanatross off the ground. That would probably include a
better jet engine and a fly-by-wire system to overcome the instability.

Tony

Anthony W

December 22nd 06, 11:53 PM

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

>> Add a couple model plane jet engines to an ultralight and you would have
>> developed a jet airplane with the slowest max speed. You can file your new
>> world record with "Ripley's Believe It or Not."
>
> Actually it's been done twice.Once on a Mitchell wing that flew I think at SnF
> about 10 years ago and a couple years ago with a twin jet on a Pteredactyl flown
> by Jack McCornack. I saw them both. They were slow alright :-0
>
> Chuck S

The Mitchell Wing was my first thought but the name escaped me at the
moment. Weren't those pulse jets on the Wing rather than mini-turbines?
In my not so humble opinion a Mitchell U2 with mini-turbine engines
would be the coolest ultralight ever. If I weren't built like a
linebacker, I'd already be into ultralights...

The record is for the smallest jet, it didn't say anything about how
fast it was or if it even got off the ground (as we know juanatross
never did.)

Tony

Peter Dohm

December 23rd 06, 12:41 AM

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Anthony W" > wrote in message
> news:seWih.49$kD4.34@trndny06...
> > Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> >
> >> If the plane never leaves the ground it isn't an airplane as far as I'm
> >> concerned. Think how easy it would be to just put together some
cardboard
> >> and a light jet engine and call it the lightest jet airplane.
> >
> > Couldn't someone toss a couple of those model plane jet engines on an
> > ultralight and take the record for smallest jet? It would take some
> > research to select the right plane but I'd go with one of Chuck's
> > planes...
> >
> > Tony
>
> Add a couple model plane jet engines to an ultralight and you would have
> developed a jet airplane with the slowest max speed. You can file your
new
> world record with "Ripley's Believe It or Not."
>
> Wayne
> HP-14 "6F"
> http://www.soaridaho.com
>
>
It's been done as a single engine jet, and was reported in Experimenter
(since changed to Sport Pilot) a couple of years ago. I not longer have,
nor recall, the issue.

Peter

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 23rd 06, 01:01 AM

"Deaf2u" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.global-air.com/global/g05229.htm
>
> Could it be?? You'd think he'd at least fly it once. Or watch it fly.
> What's the story here Juan?

The plan has been to sell it for some time now. It flies first or it gets
sold first.

Now, what's the story behind anonymous posts? You afraid of someone?
Something? Boogeyman? :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 23rd 06, 01:02 AM

"Al G" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Deaf2u" > wrote in message
> ...
>> http://www.global-air.com/global/g05229.htm
>>
>> Could it be?? You'd think he'd at least fly it once. Or watch it fly.
>> What's the story here Juan?
>>
>
> 358 lbs. Pretty Good. Is that "ready to fly"? I.E. a Basic Operating
> Weight?

Yes. I dropped 80 lbs thanks to a model Microturbo that doesn't have a
starter/generator, and only requires 11psi fuel pressure, vs 200 psi for the
TRS-18.

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 23rd 06, 01:02 AM

"jc" > wrote in message
...
>
> CriCri beats that easily IIRC the twin piston version is ~180lb empty and
> ~375lb MTOW. The twin jet version would be similar with the same airframe.

Nope. Cri-Cri is longer than the BD-5J.

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 23rd 06, 01:03 AM

"Al G" > wrote in message
...
> Too bad there is no way to notify Guiness, online. The only contact I
> could find was snail mail.

Al, sonny, Marco knows it had not flown when the record application was
submitted.

Next! :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 23rd 06, 01:05 AM

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>
> I guess we could build one out of Balsa and go for the record seeing how
> it
> doesn't need to fly to get the record.Heh Heh how about a Scale RC turbo
> jet
> model of an F-15 I seen one fly. Beats yawn on 2 counts ,it's smaller and
> it
> flys .

Sorry, ChuckSteak, but it has to carry a human being. You don't rate the
privilege. :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 23rd 06, 01:06 AM

"BobR" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> The ONLY way he will ever sell it is IF he can find a bigger fool than
> himself to buy it. I am not sure that would be possible but in a world
> full of fools...who knows?
>
> $120,000 for that death trap...wow! I might see a $120 to use it as a
> sign for a local hamburger joint called AIRWAYS.

I know your real problem is envy, Bob. You know a putz like you would never
even get close to what I have accomplished so far. So you're reduced to a
simpering nimrod throwing prepubescent insults. LOL! :)

Still whining about the few bucks you lost with Jim? :)

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December 23rd 06, 01:07 AM

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Deaf2u wrote:
>> http://www.global-air.com/global/g05229.htm
>>
>> Could it be?? You'd think he'd at least fly it once. Or watch it fly.
>> What's the story here Juan?
> Yawn has been trying to sell it for years. He bought it 90% completed
> if memory serves.

You're getting old. Alzheimers? :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 23rd 06, 01:07 AM

"DABEAR" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Dan wrote:
>
>> What his excuse is now
>> is anyone's guess.
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> Three words for you:
>
> "Defense Legal Fund"

From what? You? HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 23rd 06, 01:08 AM

"Chris Wells" > wrote in message
...
>
> Deaf2u Wrote:
>> http://www.global-air.com/global/g05229.htm
>>
>> Could it be?? You'd think he'd at least fly it once. Or watch it fly.
>> What's
>> the story here Juan?
>
>
> Something tells me you'll get little but hot air & bull**** from
> Juan.

Tell your dog to stop breathing in your ear and your bull to stop ****ting
in your shorts. :)

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December 23rd 06, 01:12 AM

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
...
> Warning!: From what Juan has written on this newsgroup, he hasn't been
> able start his engine in a Year and a half.

The engine was just reassembled after an injector inspection showed several
of them were partly clogged. They were inspected in Idaho and the engine is
now reassembled.

> Warning!: From what Juan has written on this newsgroup, this engine
> doesn't
> have it's fuel control unit that would protect it from a turbine over
> temp.

From what Richard has written in this newsgroup, he's proved he's ignorant.
A fuel control unit that protects from overtemp? What a moron. No microturbo
has a fuel control that does that. Not even the analog computer does that.

> Warning!: From the description of this engine in Janes, this engine
> doesn't
> have a turbine disk failure system.

IQ's keep dropping in Isakson's gourd. No Microturbo small turbine has
anything like this.

> This makes Juan's airplane lighter than all other BD-5Js and won him
> recognition as having the lightest non-flying,
> non-running BD-5J in the world to be recognized by a beer company.

Wrong again, nimrod. What makes my airplane lighter has nothing to do with
that. :)

Any other stupid comments you want to make, dip****? :)

Juan

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ChuckSlusarczyk

December 23rd 06, 01:12 AM

In article <yd_ih.571$kD4.351@trndny06>, Anthony W says...
>
>ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
>
>>> Add a couple model plane jet engines to an ultralight and you would have
>>> developed a jet airplane with the slowest max speed. You can file your new
>>> world record with "Ripley's Believe It or Not."
>>
>>Actually it's been done twice.Once on a Mitchell wing that flew I think at SnF
>>about 10 years ago and a couple years ago with a twin jet on a Pteredactyl flown
>> by Jack McCornack. I saw them both. They were slow alright :-0
>>
>> Chuck S
>
>The Mitchell Wing was my first thought but the name escaped me at the
>moment. Weren't those pulse jets on the Wing rather than mini-turbines?
> In my not so humble opinion a Mitchell U2 with mini-turbine engines
>would be the coolest ultralight ever. If I weren't built like a
>linebacker, I'd already be into ultralights...
>
>The record is for the smallest jet, it didn't say anything about how
>fast it was or if it even got off the ground (as we know juanatross
>never did.)

The Mitchell wing had a small turbo unit I think it came out of a small ground
power unit. Sounded neat but I guess it burnt fuel at a pretty good clip. I
guess it was doing about 60 - 70 mph . The other was a twin turbo Pterodactyl
using model airplane size engines. He needed both and I guess combined they
produced 55-65 pounds thrust . Neither one was practical but they were fun to
watch and both did what jauns jet won't do and that is they flew :-)

Merry Christmas

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 23rd 06, 01:13 AM

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 23rd 06, 01:15 AM

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:57:15 GMT, "Deaf2u" > wrote:
>
>>http://www.global-air.com/global/g05229.htm
>>
>>Could it be?? You'd think he'd at least fly it once. Or watch it fly.
>>What's
>>the story here Juan?
>>
>
> Back when the RRL announced Zoom as one of their pilots, a certain
> RAH15er with intelligence, good looks and wisdom said...
>
> "Zoom will fly a rocket plane the same day Juan flies his BD-5."
>
> I bow to his superior insight

RAH15er with intelligence. Now there's a classic oxymoron. :)

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Peter Dohm

December 23rd 06, 01:34 AM

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Montblack wrote:
> > ("Richard Riley" wrote)
> >> We talked about this here back when the Yawner got his "record." It's
not
> >> for the *lightest* jet, it's for the *smallest* jet. IIRC, the CriCri
was
> >> lighter, but was a little bigger in wingspan or length.
> >>
> >> Of course, and airplane doesn't have to actually fly to be an airplane.
> >> I'm told there's a broom and a carpet on the FAA registry.
> >
> >
> > The Cri-Cri is about 10 inches longer.
> > The Cri-Cri weighs half as much.
> > The Cri-Cri's wingspan is shorter by about a foot. (16' vs. 17')
> > The Cri-Cri (jet) flies, has flown, will fly, did fly...
> >
> > http://home.regent.edu/ruthven/bd-5.html
> > BD-5
> >
> > http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
> > Cri-Cri (jet)
> >
> > http://www.flight.cz/cricri/english/
> > GREAT Cri-Cri site. Check out the (new) NZ video.
> >
> >
> > Montblack
> > Cri-Cri fan
> >
> >
> What is it about the design that makes it so unsafe? It looks a bit
> short coupled, but that's the only thing that jumps out at me.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

I really don't know--other than being less than crash worthy.

There were a number of accidents in propeller driven BD-5s which had been
modified with larger and heavier engines when the recommended engine for the
kit was not delivered and, IIRC, not available. I believe that there were
both cooling problems and CG problems with some of the modifications. In
addition, there were a series of development problems with the drive line
and/or PSRU in the prototype prior to the availability and/or delivery
problem with the engines...

I had a little difficulty finding the articles, since I changed computers a
few months ago, but here are two links which are similar and may be the same
article with a different number of illustrations--I didn't read all the way
through them again. The article on prime-mover.org is definitely a reprint
of a Contact! Magazine article, and there is a link to it from the Contact!
back issues bage.
http://ibis.experimentals.de/downloads/torsionalvibration.pdf
http://www.prime-mover.org/Engines/Torsional/contact1/contact1.html

I simply don't recall much of the history of the BD-5J, as I was really not
interested in a jet at that time. However, IIRC, the initial engine was
very low on thrust--possible only 50 or 60 pounds. Subsequently, one or
more air show pilots modified the aircraft with much more powerfull engines,
of around 200 pounds thrust, and dramatically greater fuel capacity--by
wetting most of the wings. I have no idea what that might have done to the
handling, especially in the event of any fuel system problem.

I still think that the BD-5 is a neat little plane, and could fly well with
some of the more recent small engines. However, I certainly would not
consider flying the jet.

There is also a portion of a general overview on Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bede_BD-5

Now you know as much as I do, which is less than definitive.

Peter

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 23rd 06, 01:42 AM

"Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
news:BH%ih.4956$_X.3192@bigfe9...
>
> I really don't know--other than being less than crash worthy.

Kinda like the one Walton died in. ;)

> There were a number of accidents in propeller driven BD-5s which had been
> modified with larger and heavier engines when the recommended engine for
> the
> kit was not delivered and, IIRC, not available. I believe that there were
> both cooling problems and CG problems with some of the modifications. In
> addition, there were a series of development problems with the drive line
> and/or PSRU in the prototype prior to the availability and/or delivery
> problem with the engines...

This is almost accurate. The majority of accidents in BD-5's have nothing to
do with CG. Look at the NTSB records. They're all there.

> I had a little difficulty finding the articles, since I changed computers
> a
> few months ago

Articles don't tell even a fraction of the story. The NTSB narratives do.

> I simply don't recall much of the history of the BD-5J, as I was really
> not
> interested in a jet at that time. However, IIRC, the initial engine was
> very low on thrust--possible only 50 or 60 pounds.

That's not only wrong, it's absurd. The TRS-18-046, the first model used on
the BD-5J's, puts out 225 lbs of thrust. Net thrust is something like 190
lbf. The -1 puts out 360 lbf.

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Deaf2u

December 23rd 06, 01:45 AM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
>
>>
> Your basic premise is incorrect. Everything else you conclude from there
> is also wrong. :)

I don't have any premise, and I'm not making any conclusions. Theres very
little point in leaping in here ****ing all over the place. I'm simply
curious why you don't fly it. I already have seen that you like being
obnoxious, I guess that's the way you are. But it still doesn't answer the
question.

You do have a website that's all about the BD5, it looks like you're proud
of owning it and such. You did apply get the Guinness thing. Is the project
finished without flying? I saw a BD5 jet fly quite a few years back, it was
an impressive little plane and if I'd put in the effort I'd want to fly it.
I'm just curious, not trying to start any battles-it looks like you've got
enough.

Tim Ward[_1_]

December 23rd 06, 03:18 AM

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Anthony W" > wrote in message
> news:seWih.49$kD4.34@trndny06...
> > Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> >
> >> If the plane never leaves the ground it isn't an airplane as far as I'm
> >> concerned. Think how easy it would be to just put together some
cardboard
> >> and a light jet engine and call it the lightest jet airplane.
> >
> > Couldn't someone toss a couple of those model plane jet engines on an
> > ultralight and take the record for smallest jet? It would take some
> > research to select the right plane but I'd go with one of Chuck's
> > planes...
> >
> > Tony
>
> Add a couple model plane jet engines to an ultralight and you would have
> developed a jet airplane with the slowest max speed. You can file your
new
> world record with "Ripley's Believe It or Not."
>
> Wayne
> HP-14 "6F"
> http://www.soaridaho.com
>
>
Ted Ancona had an Icarus V with a couple of propane fueled jet engines.
The climb rate was abysmal, but it was loud.
I'm not sure what the weight was, I'm sure it was shorter than a BD-5, since
it's a tailless design.

Tim Ward

Dan[_2_]

December 23rd 06, 03:49 AM

Juan Jimenez wrote:
<snip>
>
> The plan has been to sell it for some time now. It flies first or it gets
> sold first.
>
It hasn't sold in how many years? How many tries? I bet it flies
about the same time moller succeeds.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan[_2_]

December 23rd 06, 03:59 AM

Peter Dohm wrote:
> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Montblack wrote:
>>> ("Richard Riley" wrote)
>>>> We talked about this here back when the Yawner got his "record." It's
> not
>>>> for the *lightest* jet, it's for the *smallest* jet. IIRC, the CriCri
> was
>>>> lighter, but was a little bigger in wingspan or length.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, and airplane doesn't have to actually fly to be an airplane.
>>>> I'm told there's a broom and a carpet on the FAA registry.
>>>
>>> The Cri-Cri is about 10 inches longer.
>>> The Cri-Cri weighs half as much.
>>> The Cri-Cri's wingspan is shorter by about a foot. (16' vs. 17')
>>> The Cri-Cri (jet) flies, has flown, will fly, did fly...
>>>
>>> http://home.regent.edu/ruthven/bd-5.html
>>> BD-5
>>>
>>> http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
>>> Cri-Cri (jet)
>>>
>>> http://www.flight.cz/cricri/english/
>>> GREAT Cri-Cri site. Check out the (new) NZ video.
>>>
>>>
>>> Montblack
>>> Cri-Cri fan
>>>
>>>
>> What is it about the design that makes it so unsafe? It looks a bit
>> short coupled, but that's the only thing that jumps out at me.
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> I really don't know--other than being less than crash worthy.
>
> There were a number of accidents in propeller driven BD-5s which had been
> modified with larger and heavier engines when the recommended engine for the
> kit was not delivered and, IIRC, not available. I believe that there were
> both cooling problems and CG problems with some of the modifications. In
> addition, there were a series of development problems with the drive line
> and/or PSRU in the prototype prior to the availability and/or delivery
> problem with the engines...
>
> I had a little difficulty finding the articles, since I changed computers a
> few months ago, but here are two links which are similar and may be the same
> article with a different number of illustrations--I didn't read all the way
> through them again. The article on prime-mover.org is definitely a reprint
> of a Contact! Magazine article, and there is a link to it from the Contact!
> back issues bage.
> http://ibis.experimentals.de/downloads/torsionalvibration.pdf
> http://www.prime-mover.org/Engines/Torsional/contact1/contact1.html
>
> I simply don't recall much of the history of the BD-5J, as I was really not
> interested in a jet at that time. However, IIRC, the initial engine was
> very low on thrust--possible only 50 or 60 pounds. Subsequently, one or
> more air show pilots modified the aircraft with much more powerfull engines,
> of around 200 pounds thrust, and dramatically greater fuel capacity--by
> wetting most of the wings. I have no idea what that might have done to the
> handling, especially in the event of any fuel system problem.
>
> I still think that the BD-5 is a neat little plane, and could fly well with
> some of the more recent small engines. However, I certainly would not
> consider flying the jet.
>
> There is also a portion of a general overview on Wikipedia.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bede_BD-5
>
> Now you know as much as I do, which is less than definitive.
>
> Peter
>
>
Now that you mention it I do recall cooling and engine problems. The
glide rate and total lack of crash worthiness wouldn't help either.

I think a fly by wire system would be neat. I wonder if there's an off
the shelf product somewhere.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

DABEAR

December 23rd 06, 06:00 AM

Dan wrote:

> It hasn't sold in how many years? How many tries? I bet it flies
> about the same time moller succeeds.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

The day comes that Orville and Wilbur are resurrected from the grave,
it will still be available...on E bay going for .50 cents!

Montblack

December 23rd 06, 08:55 AM

("Paul Tomblin" wrote)
> It does? That page you linked for the jet Cri-Cri says it weighs 170kg.
> The Guiness certificate for Wan's BD5J says it weighs 162kg.

That's not a very clear number - easily misinterpreted on that Cri-Cri (jet)
page.

Cri-Cri:

Empty weight: ...........70kg - 85kg (80kg = 176lbs)
MTOW: ....................180kg (approx)
Pilot + fuel: ..............100kg (220lbs)
(The MTOW might be 10 or 15lbs. too high)

Engines (each) .......12hp - 20hp
Cruise speed: .........100kts - 125kts(?)

Climb: .......................1k-ft/min
Climb (one engine) .....Yes

Montblack

Roger[_4_]

December 23rd 06, 09:31 AM

On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:22:15 -0500, john smith > wrote:

>"Liability Release signed by purchaser AND spouse is mandatory, no sign,
>no sale."
>
>That still won't keep you out of court.
>
It wouldn'tslow my heirs down a split second.
and in many states the courts won't let you sign your rights away.
And in any case they don't protect the builder from mistakes, or
workmanship.

Although I've heard the BD5J at the only airplane flown that was more
dangerous on take off than landing I'd still like to fly one.
>
>Deaf2u wrote:
>
>>http://www.global-air.com/global/g05229.htm
>>
>>Could it be?? You'd think he'd at least fly it once. Or watch it fly. What's
>>the story here Juan?
>>
>>
>>
>>
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Mark Hickey

December 23rd 06, 04:01 PM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote:

>>"Deaf2u" > wrote
>> Well once again, disregarding the apparently intense battle\hatred DABEAR
>> has for Juan I still find it curious. He's owned this plane, taken pride
>> and made some fairly loud noises about owning it. He has a website about
>> it and has been all about this plane for a while and yet has no desire to
>> see it fulfill it's mission. I have no interest in it, I'm more interested
>> in slow planes with floats but I am curious.
>>
>> The ad says he now wants a motorglider, now that's a far way from a little
>> jet.
>
>Your basic premise is incorrect. Everything else you conclude from there is
>also wrong. :)

Funny thing - you can always tell when Yawn's replying to a factual
post... like above, he can't take exception to the facts so he just
tosses out an insult or an off-hand comment. It's a rare occasion
that he actually even tries to counter with any "facts" (I use this
word as a relative term, of course). Ipso facto, he's normally got no
defense at all for his position.

Mark "facts rule, fools drool" Hickey

gorgon

December 23rd 06, 06:22 PM

I think this will settle the smallest jet conundrum.

http://www.jet-man.com/actuel_eng.html

Al G

December 23rd 06, 06:57 PM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Al G" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Too bad there is no way to notify Guiness, online. The only contact I
>> could find was snail mail.
>
> Al, sonny, Marco knows it had not flown when the record application was
> submitted.
>
> Next! :)
Ok, no big deal. I was just surprised that Guinness would accept as a
"Airplane" world record, something that does not fly. My bad. I am learning.
How are the sales going?

Al G

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 24th 06, 04:56 PM

"Deaf2u" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
>>
>>>
>> Your basic premise is incorrect. Everything else you conclude from there
>> is also wrong. :)
>
> I don't have any premise, and I'm not making any conclusions. Theres very
> little point in leaping in here ****ing all over the place. I'm simply
> curious why you don't fly it.

Fair enough.

The aircraft hasn't flown yet because a bible-thumping FSDO inspector,
Joaquin Camacho, decided to go on a crusade against me, telling local A&P's
in this small island that I could crash into a church, and intimidating them
with threats of harassment or losing their licenses. He kept this up for two
years until the issue was brought up to the head of Flight Service in DC
with a warning that if no action was taken, criminal charges would be filed.
That got the FAA to snap to attention, bark "Yes, Sir! What do you need,
Sir!" and things started moving forward. The maintenance plan Camacho sat on
for two years was approved in two weeks, and I am currently on a waiting
list for a resource to come down from Miami to do the airworthiness
inspection. It is also interesting to note that the San Juan FSDO was closed
because of many issues similar to these. It no longer exists, the office
here is a satellite office of the Miami FSDO.

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December 24th 06, 04:58 PM

"Al G" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
>>
>> "Al G" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Too bad there is no way to notify Guiness, online. The only contact I
>>> could find was snail mail.
>>
>> Al, sonny, Marco knows it had not flown when the record application was
>> submitted.
>>
>> Next! :)
> Ok, no big deal. I was just surprised that Guinness would accept as a
> "Airplane" world record, something that does not fly. My bad. I am
> learning. How are the sales going?

I have four people interested in the aircraft. They are all waiting for it
to fly, and I am waiting for the Miami FSDO to assign me a resource for the
airworthiness inspection.

Juan

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Deaf2u

December 24th 06, 06:08 PM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
>
>I am currently on a waiting list for a resource to come down from Miami to
>do the airworthiness inspection.

>

Ok, thanks for the answer, I thought it had it's CoA. Good luck with the
inspection. If you can lay hands on a video camera, put up a video on
YouTube when it flies.

Dan[_2_]

December 24th 06, 08:14 PM

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Deaf2u" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>> Your basic premise is incorrect. Everything else you conclude from there
>>> is also wrong. :)
>> I don't have any premise, and I'm not making any conclusions. Theres very
>> little point in leaping in here ****ing all over the place. I'm simply
>> curious why you don't fly it.
>
> Fair enough.
>
> The aircraft hasn't flown yet because a bible-thumping FSDO inspector,
> Joaquin Camacho, decided to go on a crusade against me, telling local A&P's
> in this small island that I could crash into a church, and intimidating them
> with threats of harassment or losing their licenses. He kept this up for two
> years until the issue was brought up to the head of Flight Service in DC
> with a warning that if no action was taken, criminal charges would be filed.
> That got the FAA to snap to attention, bark "Yes, Sir! What do you need,
> Sir!" and things started moving forward. The maintenance plan Camacho sat on
> for two years was approved in two weeks, and I am currently on a waiting
> list for a resource to come down from Miami to do the airworthiness
> inspection. It is also interesting to note that the San Juan FSDO was closed
> because of many issues similar to these. It no longer exists, the office
> here is a satellite office of the Miami FSDO.
>
>
>
>
In other words it's once again someone else's fault?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan[_2_]

December 24th 06, 08:17 PM

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Al G" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>> "Al G" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Too bad there is no way to notify Guiness, online. The only contact I
>>>> could find was snail mail.
>>> Al, sonny, Marco knows it had not flown when the record application was
>>> submitted.
>>>
>>> Next! :)
>> Ok, no big deal. I was just surprised that Guinness would accept as a
>> "Airplane" world record, something that does not fly. My bad. I am
>> learning. How are the sales going?
>
> I have four people interested in the aircraft. They are all waiting for it
> to fly, and I am waiting for the Miami FSDO to assign me a resource for the
> airworthiness inspection.
>
> Juan
>
>
>
Didn't you tell us a year ago it had been certified as airworthy?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 24th 06, 09:44 PM

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "Deaf2u" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>>> Your basic premise is incorrect. Everything else you conclude from
>>>> there is also wrong. :)
>>> I don't have any premise, and I'm not making any conclusions. Theres
>>> very little point in leaping in here ****ing all over the place. I'm
>>> simply curious why you don't fly it.
>>
>> Fair enough.
>>
>> The aircraft hasn't flown yet because a bible-thumping FSDO inspector,
>> Joaquin Camacho, decided to go on a crusade against me, telling local
>> A&P's in this small island that I could crash into a church, and
>> intimidating them with threats of harassment or losing their licenses. He
>> kept this up for two years until the issue was brought up to the head of
>> Flight Service in DC with a warning that if no action was taken, criminal
>> charges would be filed. That got the FAA to snap to attention, bark "Yes,
>> Sir! What do you need, Sir!" and things started moving forward. The
>> maintenance plan Camacho sat on for two years was approved in two weeks,
>> and I am currently on a waiting list for a resource to come down from
>> Miami to do the airworthiness inspection. It is also interesting to note
>> that the San Juan FSDO was closed because of many issues similar to
>> these. It no longer exists, the office here is a satellite office of the
>> Miami FSDO.
>>
> In other words it's once again someone else's fault?

No, that's the story of _your_ life, Dan. Get over it. :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 24th 06, 09:46 PM

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "Al G" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>>> "Al G" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Too bad there is no way to notify Guiness, online. The only contact I
>>>>> could find was snail mail.
>>>> Al, sonny, Marco knows it had not flown when the record application was
>>>> submitted.
>>>>
>>>> Next! :)
>>> Ok, no big deal. I was just surprised that Guinness would accept as a
>>> "Airplane" world record, something that does not fly. My bad. I am
>>> learning. How are the sales going?
>>
>> I have four people interested in the aircraft. They are all waiting for
>> it to fly, and I am waiting for the Miami FSDO to assign me a resource
>> for the airworthiness inspection.
>>
>> Juan
> Didn't you tell us a year ago it had been certified as airworthy?

Now you've forgotten how to read? What else have you forgotten? :)

I said it had passed its first condition inspection and been signed off as
airworthy. It's a requirement for exp/exhibition. And it's on my home page.
Get a grip and get over it.

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 24th 06, 09:49 PM

"Deaf2u" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
>>
>>I am currently on a waiting list for a resource to come down from Miami to
>>do the airworthiness inspection.
>
> Ok, thanks for the answer, I thought it had it's CoA. Good luck with the
> inspection. If you can lay hands on a video camera, put up a video on
> YouTube when it flies.

No, not yet. Everything but, thanks to an asshole inspector. He's been taken
care of. Now I have to wait for Miami. In the meanwhile, I disassembled my
engine, cleaned the injectors, fuel distribution block filters and spill
valve, checked everything over and put it back together. I haven't had time
to put it in the airplane again, been travelling too much. My calendar on my
Treo is packed. Between January and the 2nd week of March I'll be in DC,
Jacksonville, L.A., Chicago, Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore. Then ICU, to
recover from the jet lag, and then I think I will have time to put things
back together again.

It will be taped when it flies. It's just a matter of time and perseverance.
Not easy getting a homebuilt jet in the air on a working man's budget...

Juan

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Roger[_4_]

December 25th 06, 12:06 AM

On 23 Dec 2006 10:22:58 -0800, "gorgon" > wrote:

>
>I think this will settle the smallest jet conundrum.
>
>http://www.jet-man.com/actuel_eng.html

Now THAT is *impressive*

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Dan[_2_]

December 25th 06, 12:09 AM

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>> "Al G" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
>>>> .. .
>>>>> "Al G" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Too bad there is no way to notify Guiness, online. The only contact I
>>>>>> could find was snail mail.
>>>>> Al, sonny, Marco knows it had not flown when the record application was
>>>>> submitted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next! :)
>>>> Ok, no big deal. I was just surprised that Guinness would accept as a
>>>> "Airplane" world record, something that does not fly. My bad. I am
>>>> learning. How are the sales going?
>>> I have four people interested in the aircraft. They are all waiting for
>>> it to fly, and I am waiting for the Miami FSDO to assign me a resource
>>> for the airworthiness inspection.
>>>
>>> Juan
>> Didn't you tell us a year ago it had been certified as airworthy?
>
> Now you've forgotten how to read? What else have you forgotten? :)
>
> I said it had passed its first condition inspection and been signed off as
> airworthy. It's a requirement for exp/exhibition. And it's on my home page.
> Get a grip and get over it.
>
>
>
So it pass its airworthiness, now put the engine back in and fly it.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Harry K

December 25th 06, 03:49 AM

Dan wrote:
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
> > "Deaf2u" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> >> .. .
> >>> Your basic premise is incorrect. Everything else you conclude from there
> >>> is also wrong. :)
> >> I don't have any premise, and I'm not making any conclusions. Theres very
> >> little point in leaping in here ****ing all over the place. I'm simply
> >> curious why you don't fly it.
> >
> > Fair enough.
> >
> > The aircraft hasn't flown yet because a bible-thumping FSDO inspector,
> > Joaquin Camacho, decided to go on a crusade against me, telling local A&P's
> > in this small island that I could crash into a church, and intimidating them
> > with threats of harassment or losing their licenses. He kept this up for two
> > years until the issue was brought up to the head of Flight Service in DC
> > with a warning that if no action was taken, criminal charges would be filed.
> > That got the FAA to snap to attention, bark "Yes, Sir! What do you need,
> > Sir!" and things started moving forward. The maintenance plan Camacho sat on
> > for two years was approved in two weeks, and I am currently on a waiting
> > list for a resource to come down from Miami to do the airworthiness
> > inspection. It is also interesting to note that the San Juan FSDO was closed
> > because of many issues similar to these. It no longer exists, the office
> > here is a satellite office of the Miami FSDO.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> In other words it's once again someone else's fault?
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

And he can always find someone else to blame the delay on. I wonder if
there is any way to check to see if his name _is_ on the waiting list.

Harry K

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 26th 06, 02:32 PM

"Roger" > wrote in message
...
> On 23 Dec 2006 10:22:58 -0800, "gorgon" > wrote:
>
>>
>>I think this will settle the smallest jet conundrum.
>>
>>http://www.jet-man.com/actuel_eng.html
>
> Now THAT is *impressive*
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
> www.rogerhalstead.com

I showed that to my son a long time ago. He no longer thinks I'm crazy (or
at least he's moved me down a notch on the list). :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 26th 06, 02:32 PM

"Harry K" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Dan wrote:
>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> > "Deaf2u" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
>> >> .. .
>> >>> Your basic premise is incorrect. Everything else you conclude from
>> >>> there
>> >>> is also wrong. :)
>> >> I don't have any premise, and I'm not making any conclusions. Theres
>> >> very
>> >> little point in leaping in here ****ing all over the place. I'm simply
>> >> curious why you don't fly it.
>> >
>> > Fair enough.
>> >
>> > The aircraft hasn't flown yet because a bible-thumping FSDO inspector,
>> > Joaquin Camacho, decided to go on a crusade against me, telling local
>> > A&P's
>> > in this small island that I could crash into a church, and intimidating
>> > them
>> > with threats of harassment or losing their licenses. He kept this up
>> > for two
>> > years until the issue was brought up to the head of Flight Service in
>> > DC
>> > with a warning that if no action was taken, criminal charges would be
>> > filed.
>> > That got the FAA to snap to attention, bark "Yes, Sir! What do you
>> > need,
>> > Sir!" and things started moving forward. The maintenance plan Camacho
>> > sat on
>> > for two years was approved in two weeks, and I am currently on a
>> > waiting
>> > list for a resource to come down from Miami to do the airworthiness
>> > inspection. It is also interesting to note that the San Juan FSDO was
>> > closed
>> > because of many issues similar to these. It no longer exists, the
>> > office
>> > here is a satellite office of the Miami FSDO.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> In other words it's once again someone else's fault?
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> And he can always find someone else to blame the delay on. I wonder if
> there is any way to check to see if his name _is_ on the waiting list.

Tell you what, since you're so obsessed by it, now it's YOUR fault. Have
fun, putz. :)

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[email protected]

December 26th 06, 07:23 PM

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Deaf2u" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> >>
> >>I am currently on a waiting list for a resource to come down from Miami to
> >>do the airworthiness inspection.
> >
> > Ok, thanks for the answer, I thought it had it's CoA. Good luck with the
> > inspection. If you can lay hands on a video camera, put up a video on
> > YouTube when it flies.
>
> No, not yet. Everything but, thanks to an asshole inspector. He's been taken
> care of. Now I have to wait for Miami. In the meanwhile, I disassembled my
> engine, cleaned the injectors, fuel distribution block filters and spill
> valve, checked everything over and put it back together. I haven't had time
> to put it in the airplane again, been travelling too much. My calendar on my
> Treo is packed. Between January and the 2nd week of March I'll be in DC,
> Jacksonville, L.A., Chicago, Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore. Then ICU, to
> recover from the jet lag, and then I think I will have time to put things
> back together again.
>
> It will be taped when it flies. It's just a matter of time and perseverance.
> Not easy getting a homebuilt jet in the air on a working man's budget...
>
> Juan
>
>
>
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Geez, you will be in Singapore in March. Let me know when,Singapore
is only a $12.00 ferry boat trip from Batam. It takes about an hour and
I make the trip quite often. It would be really fun to run into you on
this side of the world (no Puerto Rican cops). Might just settle this
issue of you wanting to bitch slap me. That's if you have balls enough
to try.

Frank M.Hitlaw
Batam Riau Islands,Indonesia

Dan[_2_]

December 26th 06, 09:46 PM

wrote:
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "Deaf2u" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>>> I am currently on a waiting list for a resource to come down from Miami to
>>>> do the airworthiness inspection.
>>> Ok, thanks for the answer, I thought it had it's CoA. Good luck with the
>>> inspection. If you can lay hands on a video camera, put up a video on
>>> YouTube when it flies.
>> No, not yet. Everything but, thanks to an asshole inspector. He's been taken
>> care of. Now I have to wait for Miami. In the meanwhile, I disassembled my
>> engine, cleaned the injectors, fuel distribution block filters and spill
>> valve, checked everything over and put it back together. I haven't had time
>> to put it in the airplane again, been travelling too much. My calendar on my
>> Treo is packed. Between January and the 2nd week of March I'll be in DC,
>> Jacksonville, L.A., Chicago, Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore. Then ICU, to
>> recover from the jet lag, and then I think I will have time to put things
>> back together again.
>>
>> It will be taped when it flies. It's just a matter of time and perseverance.
>> Not easy getting a homebuilt jet in the air on a working man's budget...
>>
>> Juan
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Geez, you will be in Singapore in March. Let me know when,Singapore
> is only a $12.00 ferry boat trip from Batam. It takes about an hour and
> I make the trip quite often. It would be really fun to run into you on
> this side of the world (no Puerto Rican cops). Might just settle this
> issue of you wanting to bitch slap me. That's if you have balls enough
> to try.
>
> Frank M.Hitlaw
> Batam Riau Islands,Indonesia
>

Dan[_2_]

December 26th 06, 09:47 PM

Richard Isakson

December 27th 06, 02:34 AM

"Juan Jimenez" wrote ...
>
> "Richard Isakson" wrote ...
> > Warning!: From what Juan has written on this newsgroup, he hasn't been
> > able start his engine in a Year and a half.
>
> The engine was just reassembled after an injector inspection showed
several
> of them were partly clogged. They were inspected in Idaho and the engine
is
> now reassembled.
>

Juan,

It's good that you found a problem that may get your engine running again
but aren't you missing something? If your engine truly is "new", then all
that injector clogging happened in just a brief ten hours. There must be an
underlying systems problem that caused the clogging. Have you found that
problem? If not it will just re-occur in the next ten hoursof running time.
Have you informed any potential buyers that they are going to have to pull
the engine every ten hour to clean the injectors?

Rich

Wayne Paul

December 27th 06, 03:05 AM

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
om...
>
> "Juan Jimenez" wrote ...
>>
>> "Richard Isakson" wrote ...
>> > Warning!: From what Juan has written on this newsgroup, he hasn't
>> > been
>> > able start his engine in a Year and a half.
>>
>> The engine was just reassembled after an injector inspection showed
> several
>> of them were partly clogged. They were inspected in Idaho and the engine
> is
>> now reassembled.
>>
>
> Juan,
>
> It's good that you found a problem that may get your engine running again
> but aren't you missing something? If your engine truly is "new", then
> all
> that injector clogging happened in just a brief ten hours. There must be
> an
> underlying systems problem that caused the clogging. Have you found that
> problem? If not it will just re-occur in the next ten hoursof running
> time.
> Have you informed any potential buyers that they are going to have to pull
> the engine every ten hour to clean the injectors?
>
> Rich
>

Juan,

Who do you use to inspect your injectors? I live in Idaho and hopefully the
company is located nearby.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/

Jerry Springer

December 27th 06, 04:21 AM

>> Geez, you will be in Singapore in March. Let me know when,Singapore
>> is only a $12.00 ferry boat trip from Batam. It takes about an hour and
>> I make the trip quite often. It would be really fun to run into you on
>> this side of the world (no Puerto Rican cops). Might just settle this
>> issue of you wanting to bitch slap me. That's if you have balls enough
>> to try.
>> Frank M.Hitlaw
>> Batam Riau Islands,Indonesia
>>
>
> Get it on video and share......if the li'l twerp shows.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>

"little" li,l twerp Bwahhaahaa, you have seen his recent
pictures? :-)

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 27th 06, 05:55 PM

> wrote in message
ps.com...
>
> Geez, you will be in Singapore in March. Let me know when,Singapore
> is only a $12.00 ferry boat trip from Batam. It takes about an hour and
> I make the trip quite often. It would be really fun to run into you on
> this side of the world (no Puerto Rican cops). Might just settle this
> issue of you wanting to bitch slap me. That's if you have balls enough
> to try.

You're still itching for the five fingered tattoo? :)

Is your medical plan up to date?

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 27th 06, 05:56 PM

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>
> Get it on video and share......if the li'l twerp shows.

Not everyone is like you, Dan -- big mouth, wide stripe down your back. My
flight is already booked. :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 27th 06, 05:59 PM

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
om...
>
> "Juan Jimenez" wrote ...
>>
>> "Richard Isakson" wrote ...
>> > Warning!: From what Juan has written on this newsgroup, he hasn't
>> > been
>> > able start his engine in a Year and a half.
>>
>> The engine was just reassembled after an injector inspection showed
> several
>> of them were partly clogged. They were inspected in Idaho and the engine
> is
>> now reassembled.
>>
>
> Juan,
>
> It's good that you found a problem that may get your engine running again
> but aren't you missing something? If your engine truly is "new", then
> all
> that injector clogging happened in just a brief ten hours.

You're missing a key point your logic, that ten hours is spread over several
years. I have high pressure filters on the system now, but that was not the
case until after I bought it. For all I know whatever clogged the two or
three injectors that didn't have perfect flow patterns might have been there
from day one. And of course, you have no clue about that. :)

> There must be an underlying systems problem that caused the clogging.
> Have you found that
> problem? If not it will just re-occur in the next ten hoursof running
> time.
> Have you informed any potential buyers that they are going to have to pull
> the engine every ten hour to clean the injectors?

Why don't you tell them, Richard? After all, you're the armchair wannabe
expert on everything related to my airplane. :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 27th 06, 06:00 PM

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
> om...
>>
>> "Juan Jimenez" wrote ...
>>>
>>> "Richard Isakson" wrote ...
>>> > Warning!: From what Juan has written on this newsgroup, he hasn't
>>> > been
>>> > able start his engine in a Year and a half.
>>>
>>> The engine was just reassembled after an injector inspection showed
>> several
>>> of them were partly clogged. They were inspected in Idaho and the engine
>> is
>>> now reassembled.
>>>
>>
>> Juan,
>>
>> It's good that you found a problem that may get your engine running again
>> but aren't you missing something? If your engine truly is "new", then
>> all
>> that injector clogging happened in just a brief ten hours. There must be
>> an
>> underlying systems problem that caused the clogging. Have you found that
>> problem? If not it will just re-occur in the next ten hoursof running
>> time.
>> Have you informed any potential buyers that they are going to have to
>> pull
>> the engine every ten hour to clean the injectors?
>>
>> Rich
>>
>
> Juan,
>
> Who do you use to inspect your injectors? I live in Idaho and hopefully
> the company is located nearby.

A friend who specializes in warbird restoration, has the equipment and did
it as a favor. You don't really think I will post that information here, do
ya? :)

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Dan[_2_]

December 27th 06, 06:07 PM

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
>> om...
>>> "Juan Jimenez" wrote ...
>>>> "Richard Isakson" wrote ...
>>>>> Warning!: From what Juan has written on this newsgroup, he hasn't
>>>>> been
>>>>> able start his engine in a Year and a half.
>>>> The engine was just reassembled after an injector inspection showed
>>> several
>>>> of them were partly clogged. They were inspected in Idaho and the engine
>>> is
>>>> now reassembled.
>>>>
>>> Juan,
>>>
>>> It's good that you found a problem that may get your engine running again
>>> but aren't you missing something? If your engine truly is "new", then
>>> all
>>> that injector clogging happened in just a brief ten hours. There must be
>>> an
>>> underlying systems problem that caused the clogging. Have you found that
>>> problem? If not it will just re-occur in the next ten hoursof running
>>> time.
>>> Have you informed any potential buyers that they are going to have to
>>> pull
>>> the engine every ten hour to clean the injectors?
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>> Juan,
>>
>> Who do you use to inspect your injectors? I live in Idaho and hopefully
>> the company is located nearby.
>
> A friend who specializes in warbird restoration, has the equipment and did
> it as a favor. You don't really think I will post that information here, do
> ya? :)
>
>
>
Typical back pedal. The man is looking for a local resource and you
have to play your childish games.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan[_2_]

December 27th 06, 06:09 PM

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> wrote:
>>
>> Get it on video and share......if the li'l twerp shows.
>
> Not everyone is like you, Dan -- big mouth, wide stripe down your back. My
> flight is already booked. :)
>
That's not what I meant and you know it. Is it true the only
successful service you ever provided in the Marines was as dummy load
for ground radar?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 27th 06, 06:13 PM

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
>>> om...
>>>> "Juan Jimenez" wrote ...
>>>>> "Richard Isakson" wrote ...
>>>>>> Warning!: From what Juan has written on this newsgroup, he hasn't
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> able start his engine in a Year and a half.
>>>>> The engine was just reassembled after an injector inspection showed
>>>> several
>>>>> of them were partly clogged. They were inspected in Idaho and the
>>>>> engine
>>>> is
>>>>> now reassembled.
>>>>>
>>>> Juan,
>>>>
>>>> It's good that you found a problem that may get your engine running
>>>> again
>>>> but aren't you missing something? If your engine truly is "new", then
>>>> all
>>>> that injector clogging happened in just a brief ten hours. There must
>>>> be an
>>>> underlying systems problem that caused the clogging. Have you found
>>>> that
>>>> problem? If not it will just re-occur in the next ten hoursof running
>>>> time.
>>>> Have you informed any potential buyers that they are going to have to
>>>> pull
>>>> the engine every ten hour to clean the injectors?
>>>>
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>> Juan,
>>>
>>> Who do you use to inspect your injectors? I live in Idaho and hopefully
>>> the company is located nearby.
>>
>> A friend who specializes in warbird restoration, has the equipment and
>> did it as a favor. You don't really think I will post that information
>> here, do ya? :)
> Typical back pedal. The man is looking for a local resource and you
> have to play your childish games.

You're the expert on backpedalling, I'll defer to your bull**** knowledge.
:)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 27th 06, 06:17 PM

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Get it on video and share......if the li'l twerp shows.
>>
>> Not everyone is like you, Dan -- big mouth, wide stripe down your back.
>> My flight is already booked. :)
> That's not what I meant and you know it. Is it true the only successful
> service you ever provided in the Marines was as dummy load for ground
> radar?

Is that how you wound up on the disabled list? Damn, that explains a lot of
things! :)

Tell you what, if you ever grow balls large enough, go check the records of
SOES, circa 1979 through 1981, at MCAS Cherry Point. In fact, check out the
records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had just given
birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just given
birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time, double-digit midget)
Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took them from Cherry Point to
the main hospital at Lejeune.

Go ahead, putz. I dare ya. But don't worry, I don't hold my breath for all
bark, no bite keyboard cowards like you. :)

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Morgans[_5_]

December 27th 06, 06:26 PM

>>> It's good that you found a problem that may get your engine running
again
>>> but aren't you missing something? If your engine truly is "new", then
>>> all
>>> that injector clogging happened in just a brief ten hours. There must
>>> be an
>>> underlying systems problem that caused the clogging. Have you found
>>> that
>>> problem? If not it will just re-occur in the next ten hoursof running
>>> time.

This is a valid point, don't you think? Is there something in the tanks, or
somewhere in the fuel system causing the injectors to be clogged so quickly?
Was there some problem previously existing in the engine?

Fixing a problem is good.

Fixing the cause of a problem is even better. <g>
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Scott[_1_]

December 27th 06, 06:42 PM

Can you provide a link URL? I searched on the MCAS Cherry Point Website
with no luck (since I don't know what SOES is...searching with that
turned up a Sony Online Entertainment tribute). Searching with your
name only turned up 3 hits...all in 2003-2004.

Scott

Juan Jimenez wrote:

>
> Tell you what, if you ever grow balls large enough, go check the records of
> SOES, circa 1979 through 1981, at MCAS Cherry Point. In fact, check out the
> records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had just given
> birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just given
> birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time, double-digit midget)
> Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took them from Cherry Point to
> the main hospital at Lejeune.
>
> Go ahead, putz. I dare ya. But don't worry, I don't hold my breath for all
> bark, no bite keyboard cowards like you. :)
>
>
>

Gig 601XL Builder

December 27th 06, 07:29 PM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .

> A friend who specializes in warbird restoration, has the equipment and did
> it as a favor. You don't really think I will post that information here,
> do ya? :)

God forbid you ever post any information that actually is helpful to
someone.

Dan[_2_]

December 27th 06, 08:34 PM

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Get it on video and share......if the li'l twerp shows.
>>> Not everyone is like you, Dan -- big mouth, wide stripe down your back.
>>> My flight is already booked. :)
>> That's not what I meant and you know it. Is it true the only successful
>> service you ever provided in the Marines was as dummy load for ground
>> radar?
>
> Is that how you wound up on the disabled list? Damn, that explains a lot of
> things! :)
>
> Tell you what, if you ever grow balls large enough, go check the records of
> SOES, circa 1979 through 1981, at MCAS Cherry Point. In fact, check out the
> records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had just given
> birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just given
> birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time, double-digit midget)
> Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took them from Cherry Point to
> the main hospital at Lejeune.
>
> Go ahead, putz. I dare ya. But don't worry, I don't hold my breath for all
> bark, no bite keyboard cowards like you. :)
>
>
>
Now you are claiming to be a Viet Nam vet? When and what unit? As
for the rest of it I was in 55th ARRS and we did medevacs such as you
claim you did. Nothing to brag about, it was our job. Try harder.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Wayne Paul

December 27th 06, 09:35 PM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> Juan,
>>
>> Who do you use to inspect your injectors? I live in Idaho and hopefully
>> the company is located nearby.
>
> A friend who specializes in warbird restoration, has the equipment and did
> it as a favor. You don't really think I will post that information here,
> do ya? :)

Juan,

OK,,, was it Bob Hannah Aviation in Caldwell, ID; Warbird Restoration &
Maintenance in Jerome, ID; or, John Paul's (no relation) Warhawk Museum,,,
here in Nampa, ID?

If you don't want to post the ansewer here, you may email me at

Thank you,

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 27th 06, 10:26 PM

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> This is a valid point, don't you think? Is there something in the tanks,
> or somewhere in the fuel system causing the injectors to be clogged so
> quickly? Was there some problem previously existing in the engine?
>
> Fixing a problem is good.
>
> Fixing the cause of a problem is even better. <g>

The cause of the problem was essentially that no cleaning had ever been done
to the engine's injector plate, or to the fuel distribution components. The
engine has not been run for more than an hour or so since I bought it, and
something's bound to get in there. It gets cleaned and we move on.

The reason it is not a "valid point" is that the thought the engine clogs
after 10 hours is absurd. :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 27th 06, 10:37 PM

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
...
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>> A friend who specializes in warbird restoration, has the equipment and
>> did it as a favor. You don't really think I will post that information
>> here, do ya? :)
>
> God forbid you ever post any information that actually is helpful to
> someone.

Your god has forsaken you. Search in groups.google.com and educate yourself.
:)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 27th 06, 10:38 PM

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Get it on video and share......if the li'l twerp shows.
>>>> Not everyone is like you, Dan -- big mouth, wide stripe down your back.
>>>> My flight is already booked. :)
>>> That's not what I meant and you know it. Is it true the only
>>> successful service you ever provided in the Marines was as dummy load
>>> for ground radar?
>>
>> Is that how you wound up on the disabled list? Damn, that explains a lot
>> of things! :)
>>
>> Tell you what, if you ever grow balls large enough, go check the records
>> of SOES, circa 1979 through 1981, at MCAS Cherry Point. In fact, check
>> out the records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had just
>> given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just
>> given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time,
>> double-digit midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took
>> them from Cherry Point to the main hospital at Lejeune.
>>
>> Go ahead, putz. I dare ya. But don't worry, I don't hold my breath for
>> all bark, no bite keyboard cowards like you. :)
>>
>>
>>
> Now you are claiming to be a Viet Nam vet?

LMAO! That's funny! Read, meathead. You're so intent on making a fool of
yourself, you can't even comprehend simple English. :)

As you say, try harder, putz. :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 27th 06, 10:43 PM

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
>>
>> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Juan,
>>>
>>> Who do you use to inspect your injectors? I live in Idaho and hopefully
>>> the company is located nearby.
>>
>> A friend who specializes in warbird restoration, has the equipment and
>> did it as a favor. You don't really think I will post that information
>> here, do ya? :)
>
> Juan,
>
> OK,,, was it Bob Hannah Aviation in Caldwell, ID; Warbird Restoration &
> Maintenance in Jerome, ID; or, John Paul's (no relation) Warhawk Museum,,,
> here in Nampa, ID?
>
> If you don't want to post the ansewer here, you may email me at
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Wayne
> HP-14 "6F"
> http://www.soaridaho.com/

See private email.

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 27th 06, 10:47 PM

I doubt you will find a URL. SOES is the Station Operations and Engineering
Squadron. I worked there from 1979 to 1981 maintaining their CH-46A SAR
birds.

Oh, wait a sec. I see why you can't find it. It's been renamed and is now
VMR-1.

http://www.cherrypoint.usmc.mil/mcabe/vmr1/vmr1.asp

Look at the history page, you'll see this is what used to be SOES.

They now have HH-46D's. Looks like they finally upgraded sometime after I
left for MCAS(H) Tustin in Southern California and was assigned to HMM-161
until I got out in 1982. They are also listed as having UC-12B King Air's,
but that's not what we had when I was there, back then they had Piper
Apache's, I forget the designationm U-something too. There were rumors they
were going to be replaced with the King Air's but when I left they had not
arrived. We already had the C-9B's and we also had some T-39 Sabreliners for
VIP transport.

This was our hangar. I assume it still is, there's one of the C-9B sitting
at its usual parking spot on the ramp.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=havelock,+nc&ie=UTF8&z=18&ll=34.901128,-76.887823&spn=0.003361,0.006781&t=k&om=1

This is a picture I took on the ramp in 1981, if I remember correctly. Been
a while. Look at the discussion page for the image, a Marine who currently
works for VMR-1 saw it and commented on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CH46-At-SOES.jpg

Juan

"Scott" > wrote in message
.. .
> Can you provide a link URL? I searched on the MCAS Cherry Point Website
> with no luck (since I don't know what SOES is...searching with that turned
> up a Sony Online Entertainment tribute). Searching with your name only
> turned up 3 hits...all in 2003-2004.
>
> Scott
>
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Tell you what, if you ever grow balls large enough, go check the records
>> of SOES, circa 1979 through 1981, at MCAS Cherry Point. In fact, check
>> out the records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had just
>> given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just
>> given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time,
>> double-digit midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took
>> them from Cherry Point to the main hospital at Lejeune.
>>
>> Go ahead, putz. I dare ya. But don't worry, I don't hold my breath for
>> all bark, no bite keyboard cowards like you. :)
>>
>>

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Wayne Paul

December 27th 06, 11:04 PM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>>
>>> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Juan,
>>>>
>>>> Who do you use to inspect your injectors? I live in Idaho and hopefully
>>>> the company is located nearby.
>>>
>>> A friend who specializes in warbird restoration, has the equipment and
>>> did it as a favor. You don't really think I will post that information
>>> here, do ya? :)
>>
>> Juan,
>>
>> OK,,, was it Bob Hannah Aviation in Caldwell, ID; Warbird Restoration &
>> Maintenance in Jerome, ID; or, John Paul's (no relation) Warhawk
>> Museum,,, here in Nampa, ID?
>>
>> If you don't want to post the ansewer here, you may email me at
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Wayne
>> HP-14 "6F"
>> http://www.soaridaho.com/
>
> See private email.
Juan,

Thank you for the prompt and informative email.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/

Scott[_1_]

December 27th 06, 11:06 PM

Thanks for the link. However, I was unable to find a reference to the

"medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had just
>>>given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just
>>>given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time,
>>>double-digit midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took
>>>them from Cherry Point to the main hospital at Lejeune."

It sounds like it might be interesting reading...

Scott

Juan Jimenez wrote:

> I doubt you will find a URL. SOES is the Station Operations and Engineering
> Squadron. I worked there from 1979 to 1981 maintaining their CH-46A SAR
> birds.
>
> Oh, wait a sec. I see why you can't find it. It's been renamed and is now
> VMR-1.
>
> http://www.cherrypoint.usmc.mil/mcabe/vmr1/vmr1.asp
>
> Look at the history page, you'll see this is what used to be SOES.
>
> They now have HH-46D's. Looks like they finally upgraded sometime after I
> left for MCAS(H) Tustin in Southern California and was assigned to HMM-161
> until I got out in 1982. They are also listed as having UC-12B King Air's,
> but that's not what we had when I was there, back then they had Piper
> Apache's, I forget the designationm U-something too. There were rumors they
> were going to be replaced with the King Air's but when I left they had not
> arrived. We already had the C-9B's and we also had some T-39 Sabreliners for
> VIP transport.
>
> This was our hangar. I assume it still is, there's one of the C-9B sitting
> at its usual parking spot on the ramp.
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=havelock,+nc&ie=UTF8&z=18&ll=34.901128,-76.887823&spn=0.003361,0.006781&t=k&om=1
>
> This is a picture I took on the ramp in 1981, if I remember correctly. Been
> a while. Look at the discussion page for the image, a Marine who currently
> works for VMR-1 saw it and commented on it.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CH46-At-SOES.jpg
>
> Juan
>
> "Scott" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>Can you provide a link URL? I searched on the MCAS Cherry Point Website
>>with no luck (since I don't know what SOES is...searching with that turned
>>up a Sony Online Entertainment tribute). Searching with your name only
>>turned up 3 hits...all in 2003-2004.
>>
>>Scott
>>
>>
>>Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Tell you what, if you ever grow balls large enough, go check the records
>>>of SOES, circa 1979 through 1981, at MCAS Cherry Point. In fact, check
>>>out the records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had just
>>>given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just
>>>given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time,
>>>double-digit midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took
>>>them from Cherry Point to the main hospital at Lejeune.
>>>
>>>Go ahead, putz. I dare ya. But don't worry, I don't hold my breath for
>>>all bark, no bite keyboard cowards like you. :)
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>

Roger[_4_]

December 28th 06, 07:27 AM

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:26:23 -0500, "Morgans"
> wrote:

> >>> It's good that you found a problem that may get your engine running
>again
>>>> but aren't you missing something? If your engine truly is "new", then
>>>> all
>>>> that injector clogging happened in just a brief ten hours. There must
>>>> be an
>>>> underlying systems problem that caused the clogging. Have you found
>>>> that
>>>> problem? If not it will just re-occur in the next ten hoursof running
>>>> time.
>
>This is a valid point, don't you think? Is there something in the tanks, or
>somewhere in the fuel system causing the injectors to be clogged so quickly?
>Was there some problem previously existing in the engine?

With these plastic airplanes (like I'm building) clogged fuel filters
are common until all the crud is cleaned out of the tanks. After all,
working with fiberglass is mostly sand and fill, sand and fill, fill
and sand, fill and sand and if you get bored you can change that back
to sand and fill... At any rate that creates a *lot* of dust, not all
of which is easily blown out of tanks.

If the injectors are truely clogging it sounds like a fuel system
needs a thorough flush and the addition of a really good fuel filter.
That little jet engine isn't exactly over endowed with thrust so any
loss is substantial.

>
>Fixing a problem is good.
>
>Fixing the cause of a problem is even better. <g>

It certainly can save a lot of work in the long run and maybe even
hospital bills.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Morgans[_5_]

December 28th 06, 01:38 PM

">>This is a valid point, don't you think? Is there something in the tanks,
or
>>somewhere in the fuel system causing the injectors to be clogged so
>>quickly?
>>Was there some problem previously existing in the engine?
>
> With these plastic airplanes (like I'm building) clogged fuel filters
> are common until all the crud is cleaned out of the tanks. After all,
> working with fiberglass is mostly sand and fill, sand and fill, fill
> and sand, fill and sand and if you get bored you can change that back
> to sand and fill... At any rate that creates a *lot* of dust, not all
> of which is easily blown out of tanks.
>
> If the injectors are truely clogging it sounds like a fuel system
> needs a thorough flush and the addition of a really good fuel filter.
> That little jet engine isn't exactly over endowed with thrust so any
> loss is substantial.
>
>>
>>Fixing a problem is good.
>>
>>Fixing the cause of a problem is even better. <g>
>
> It certainly can save a lot of work in the long run and maybe even
> hospital bills.

You plainly state what I was hinting around at.

If it were me, I would be wanting to know what the substance plugging the
injector consisted of.

Fiberglass or slosh compound would be high on my list.
--
Jim in NC

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 28th 06, 02:57 PM

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
>>
>> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>>>
>>>> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Juan,
>>>>>
>>>>> Who do you use to inspect your injectors? I live in Idaho and
>>>>> hopefully the company is located nearby.
>>>>
>>>> A friend who specializes in warbird restoration, has the equipment and
>>>> did it as a favor. You don't really think I will post that information
>>>> here, do ya? :)
>>>
>>> Juan,
>>>
>>> OK,,, was it Bob Hannah Aviation in Caldwell, ID; Warbird Restoration &
>>> Maintenance in Jerome, ID; or, John Paul's (no relation) Warhawk
>>> Museum,,, here in Nampa, ID?
>>>
>>> If you don't want to post the ansewer here, you may email me at
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> HP-14 "6F"
>>> http://www.soaridaho.com/
>>
>> See private email.
> Juan,
>
> Thank you for the prompt and informative email.
>
> Wayne
> HP-14 "6F"
> http://www.soaridaho.com/

You're welcome.

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 28th 06, 03:11 PM

There is no "link" for that. There was no consumer "internet" at the time.
You'll have to go to the squadron to find the records, assuming they still
have them, otherwise you'll have to ask the Marine Corps to check their
archives. I don't know how long they keep records locally.

The story is this: At 9pm I was working night duty in the avionics shop. We
were scheduled to go home on standby at about that time and were about to
cleanup and turn in our tools when the hanglar claxon went off and the PA
system announced the usual "Launch Pedro!". Pedro was the codename for
whatever helo was the duty bird. So, myself and my sidekick sat down to
wait, because if the bird was going out we had to stay in case it came back
with squawks.

Not more than 2 minutes later we get an intercom call to go to the aircraft.
So we run out there, and we can see the APU is running but no lights. I go
inside and gesture to the crew chief and he points to the lights ... no
power. I checked the obvious things, and nothing, so I turned around to my
sidekick, the slowest kid in the shop, and asked him if they had done
anything to do the bird that day. Changed the APU, he said. D-oh. Ok, did
you check it when you were done rewiring it? No. No?? Did you bother to run
it up? No. Why not? I'm not checked out. (It takes a short check and two
switches to turn on the APU on an CH-46A... that should give you the
picture.)

So, I turned around and dropped the upper rear clamshell a bit, raised the
lower one to just a few inches under, and carefully slid up to the running
APU. I removed the small plastic cover over the wires and immediately saw
what was wrong. Wiring becomes somewhat brittle over the years, and when its
put back on the wrong way it's rather obvious because of the way it looks.
So I switched the two incorrectly installed wires, replaced the cover,
safety wired it, checked for loose safety wire, inventoried tools and slid
back down.

I tell the CC to fire up the power and even though its dark and he's wearing
a helmet, he gives me one of these "Are you out of your ****ing mind?"
looks. I repeat the hand gesture to power up, he talks with the crew up
front, I can see them looking back from the cockpit, so I walk up, asked for
permission to turn on power, they sort of nodded and I did. Power came right
back up. Big smiles in the cockpit.

I went back to finish up with the crew chief (who had another huge smile on
his face). Just then I realized why he had a huge smile. Two ambulances came
roaring down the ramp and parked right behind the helo. Out came a woman in
a stretcher, clearly in distress. Behind her came a portable incubator with
a preemie. The woman had just given birth and was hemorraghing, they were on
the way to Lejeune because that's where the big hospital was located.

We got off and the helo fired up its engines and roared off into the night
sky. Came back with no squawks, so we went home. The next day the Vietnam
vet crew chief (and senior crew chief in the squadron) told everyone in the
squadron I knew my **** down cold and he'd trust me to work on anything with
a wire on his bird. I already had the ability to do just that, but that one
compliment made my whole year. Doesn't happen very often.

Within weeks I got my best eval ever and had my txfr request out of NC
approved, to California. The rest is history, and records from that day will
verify everything happened exactly as I state here.

And yes, both the mom and the child were OK, I just never heard from them
again.

"Scott" > wrote in message
.. .
> Thanks for the link. However, I was unable to find a reference to the
> "medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had just
> >>>given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just
> >>>given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time,
> >>>double-digit midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took
> >>>them from Cherry Point to the main hospital at Lejeune."
>
> It sounds like it might be interesting reading...
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
>> I doubt you will find a URL. SOES is the Station Operations and
>> Engineering Squadron. I worked there from 1979 to 1981 maintaining their
>> CH-46A SAR birds.
>>
>> Oh, wait a sec. I see why you can't find it. It's been renamed and is now
>> VMR-1.
>>
>> http://www.cherrypoint.usmc.mil/mcabe/vmr1/vmr1.asp
>>
>> Look at the history page, you'll see this is what used to be SOES.
>>
>> They now have HH-46D's. Looks like they finally upgraded sometime after I
>> left for MCAS(H) Tustin in Southern California and was assigned to
>> HMM-161 until I got out in 1982. They are also listed as having UC-12B
>> King Air's, but that's not what we had when I was there, back then they
>> had Piper Apache's, I forget the designationm U-something too. There were
>> rumors they were going to be replaced with the King Air's but when I left
>> they had not arrived. We already had the C-9B's and we also had some T-39
>> Sabreliners for VIP transport.
>>
>> This was our hangar. I assume it still is, there's one of the C-9B
>> sitting at its usual parking spot on the ramp.
>>
>> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=havelock,+nc&ie=UTF8&z=18&ll=34.901128,-76.887823&spn=0.003361,0.006781&t=k&om=1
>>
>> This is a picture I took on the ramp in 1981, if I remember correctly.
>> Been a while. Look at the discussion page for the image, a Marine who
>> currently
>> works for VMR-1 saw it and commented on it.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CH46-At-SOES.jpg
>>
>> Juan
>>
>> "Scott" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>
>>>Can you provide a link URL? I searched on the MCAS Cherry Point Website
>>>with no luck (since I don't know what SOES is...searching with that
>>>turned
>>>up a Sony Online Entertainment tribute). Searching with your name only
>>>turned up 3 hits...all in 2003-2004.
>>>
>>>Scott
>>>
>>>
>>>Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tell you what, if you ever grow balls large enough, go check the records
>>>>of SOES, circa 1979 through 1981, at MCAS Cherry Point. In fact, check
>>>>out the records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had
>>>>just
>>>>given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just
>>>>given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time,
>>>>double-digit midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took
>>>>them from Cherry Point to the main hospital at Lejeune.
>>>>
>>>>Go ahead, putz. I dare ya. But don't worry, I don't hold my breath for
>>>>all bark, no bite keyboard cowards like you. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 28th 06, 03:18 PM

"Roger" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:26:23 -0500, "Morgans"
> > wrote:
>
> If the injectors are truely clogging it sounds like a fuel system
> needs a thorough flush and the addition of a really good fuel filter.
> That little jet engine isn't exactly over endowed with thrust so any
> loss is substantial.

Already done, and the fuel system has five filters.

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 28th 06, 03:23 PM

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> ">>This is a valid point, don't you think? Is there something in the
> tanks, or
>>>somewhere in the fuel system causing the injectors to be clogged so
>>>quickly?
>>>Was there some problem previously existing in the engine?
>>
>> With these plastic airplanes (like I'm building) clogged fuel filters
>> are common until all the crud is cleaned out of the tanks. After all,
>> working with fiberglass is mostly sand and fill, sand and fill, fill
>> and sand, fill and sand and if you get bored you can change that back
>> to sand and fill... At any rate that creates a *lot* of dust, not all
>> of which is easily blown out of tanks.
>>
>> If the injectors are truely clogging it sounds like a fuel system
>> needs a thorough flush and the addition of a really good fuel filter.
>> That little jet engine isn't exactly over endowed with thrust so any
>> loss is substantial.
>>
>>>
>>>Fixing a problem is good.
>>>
>>>Fixing the cause of a problem is even better. <g>
>>
>> It certainly can save a lot of work in the long run and maybe even
>> hospital bills.
>
> You plainly state what I was hinting around at.
>
> If it were me, I would be wanting to know what the substance plugging the
> injector consisted of.
>
> Fiberglass or slosh compound would be high on my list.

Neither. If you had an inkling of knowledge about BD-5's you'd know the
wings are all metal, no fiberglass. Been that way for 30 years, get with the
program and get off the armchair. And if you had followed my notes, you'd
know I used a sealing product that does not dry while in contact with Jet-A.
The wings must be dry, then the compound is introduced, sloshed, and the MEK
is allowed to evaporate from the formula, leaving behind an extremely tough
Buna-N layer. The substance in the injector was extremely small, probably a
grain of sand or something, because fuel flow was not interrupted, but the
pattern was not optimal.

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[email protected]

December 28th 06, 06:03 PM

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I guess we could build one out of Balsa and go for the record seeing how
> > it
> > doesn't need to fly to get the record.Heh Heh how about a Scale RC turbo
> > jet
> > model of an F-15 I seen one fly. Beats yawn on 2 counts ,it's smaller and
> > it
> > flys .
>
> Sorry, ChuckSteak, but it has to carry a human being. You don't rate the
> privilege. :)
>

But it doesn't have to ever leave the ground while carrying a
human being right?

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[email protected]

December 28th 06, 06:04 PM

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Al G" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Deaf2u" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> http://www.global-air.com/global/g05229.htm
> >>
> >> Could it be?? You'd think he'd at least fly it once. Or watch it fly.
> >> What's the story here Juan?
> >>
> >
> > 358 lbs. Pretty Good. Is that "ready to fly"? I.E. a Basic Operating
> > Weight?
>
> Yes. I dropped 80 lbs thanks to a model Microturbo t...

Hmm, never heard of that before, is it anything like the
Purina diet?

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 28th 06, 06:22 PM

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > I guess we could build one out of Balsa and go for the record seeing
>> > how
>> > it
>> > doesn't need to fly to get the record.Heh Heh how about a Scale RC
>> > turbo
>> > jet
>> > model of an F-15 I seen one fly. Beats yawn on 2 counts ,it's smaller
>> > and
>> > it
>> > flys .
>>
>> Sorry, ChuckSteak, but it has to carry a human being. You don't rate the
>> privilege. :)
>>
>
> But it doesn't have to ever leave the ground while carrying a
> human being right?

Ask Marco. He'll set you straight.

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 28th 06, 06:23 PM

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "Al G" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Deaf2u" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> http://www.global-air.com/global/g05229.htm
>> >>
>> >> Could it be?? You'd think he'd at least fly it once. Or watch it fly.
>> >> What's the story here Juan?
>> >>
>> >
>> > 358 lbs. Pretty Good. Is that "ready to fly"? I.E. a Basic Operating
>> > Weight?
>>
>> Yes. I dropped 80 lbs thanks to a model Microturbo t...
>
> Hmm, never heard of that before, is it anything like the Purina diet?

Wouldn't know, you're the one who married a dog, go ask her.

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 29th 06, 02:59 AM

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:23:19 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
> wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
ups.com...
>>>
>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>> "Al G" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> >
>>>> > "Deaf2u" > wrote in message
>>>> > ...
>>>> >> http://www.global-air.com/global/g05229.htm
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Could it be?? You'd think he'd at least fly it once. Or watch it
>>>> >> fly.
>>>> >> What's the story here Juan?
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > 358 lbs. Pretty Good. Is that "ready to fly"? I.E. a Basic Operating
>>>> > Weight?
>>>>
>>>> Yes. I dropped 80 lbs thanks to a model Microturbo t...
>>>
>>> Hmm, never heard of that before, is it anything like the Purina diet?
>>
>>Wouldn't know, you're the one who married a dog, go ask her.
>
> Juan, you're forgetting the smilie faces at the end of your insults,
> you vacuous, toffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert :)

Oh, lord, now I have a secretary. <chuckle>

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Harry K

December 29th 06, 04:14 AM

wrote:
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
> > "ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > I guess we could build one out of Balsa and go for the record seeing how
> > > it
> > > doesn't need to fly to get the record.Heh Heh how about a Scale RC turbo
> > > jet
> > > model of an F-15 I seen one fly. Beats yawn on 2 counts ,it's smaller and
> > > it
> > > flys .
> >
> > Sorry, ChuckSteak, but it has to carry a human being. You don't rate the
> > privilege. :)
> >
>
> But it doesn't have to ever leave the ground while carrying a
> human being right?
>
> --
>
> FF

Using Zoom logic, the plane doesn't even have to exist. Just the claim
is enough.

Harry K

[email protected]

December 29th 06, 04:57 AM

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > Juan Jimenez wrote:
....
> >>
> >> Sorry, ChuckSteak, but it has to carry a human being. You don't rate the
> >> privilege. :)
> >>
> >
> > But it doesn't have to ever leave the ground while carrying a
> > human being right?
>
> Ask Marco. He'll set you straight.
>

How about if instead of asking Marco myself, I trust you and accept
what you wrote here:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.homebuilt/msg/140ade846d2bfabf?hl=en&
"Marco knows it had not flown when the record application was
submitted "?

Now, keeping in mind that opinion is like flatulence,
in that everyone has it and everyone thinks everyone
else's stinks worse than their own, IMHO, it takes more
than a bit of chutzpah to submit a claim for the world's
smallest/lightest/shortest/whatever human piloted
jet aircraft, when the aircraft in question has never flown.

But to accept, such a claim, as Guiness has, is just plain
stupid. And that is their problem, not yours.

The way I look at it, if the plane doesn't have to fly to hold the
record that guy with the jet-powered Cri-Cri could just lop
off a little from each (or only one!) wing and the nose and
take the record away from your BD5. Then you could do
the same and take it back. The two of you could keep that
up until all that is left of each of your planes is a seat
duct taped onto an engine. At that point I think the
Cri-Cri would win, having the smaller engine.

During that process, it would never be clear exactly
when either plane ceased to qualify as a human-piloted
jet aircraft, so I would think that it would only be reasonable
to include, as a condition for the record, a stipulation that
the plane leave the ground under it's own power, while
carrying a human pilot.

Then we could argue over whether or not it left ground effect.

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Dan[_2_]

December 29th 06, 05:43 AM

wrote:
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
> ...
>>>> Sorry, ChuckSteak, but it has to carry a human being. You don't rate the
>>>> privilege. :)
>>>>
>>> But it doesn't have to ever leave the ground while carrying a
>>> human being right?
>> Ask Marco. He'll set you straight.
>>
>
> How about if instead of asking Marco myself, I trust you and accept
> what you wrote here:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.homebuilt/msg/140ade846d2bfabf?hl=en&
> "Marco knows it had not flown when the record application was
> submitted "?
>
> Now, keeping in mind that opinion is like flatulence,
> in that everyone has it and everyone thinks everyone
> else's stinks worse than their own, IMHO, it takes more
> than a bit of chutzpah to submit a claim for the world's
> smallest/lightest/shortest/whatever human piloted
> jet aircraft, when the aircraft in question has never flown.
>
> But to accept, such a claim, as Guiness has, is just plain
> stupid. And that is their problem, not yours.
>
> The way I look at it, if the plane doesn't have to fly to hold the
> record that guy with the jet-powered Cri-Cri could just lop
> off a little from each (or only one!) wing and the nose and
> take the record away from your BD5. Then you could do
> the same and take it back. The two of you could keep that
> up until all that is left of each of your planes is a seat
> duct taped onto an engine. At that point I think the
> Cri-Cri would win, having the smaller engine.
>
> During that process, it would never be clear exactly
> when either plane ceased to qualify as a human-piloted
> jet aircraft, so I would think that it would only be reasonable
> to include, as a condition for the record, a stipulation that
> the plane leave the ground under it's own power, while
> carrying a human pilot.
>
> Then we could argue over whether or not it left ground effect.
>
Gee, now yawn will have to put you in your place with a childish
remark. Brace yourself.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[email protected]

December 29th 06, 06:08 AM

Dan wrote:
> wrote:
> ...
> >
> > Then we could argue over whether or not it left ground effect.
> >
> Gee, now yawn will have to put you in your place with a childish
> remark. Brace yourself.
>

Blimey! I soiled me flight suit!

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 29th 06, 03:28 PM

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ups.com...
>>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> ...
>>>>> Sorry, ChuckSteak, but it has to carry a human being. You don't rate
>>>>> the
>>>>> privilege. :)
>>>>>
>>>> But it doesn't have to ever leave the ground while carrying a
>>>> human being right?
>>> Ask Marco. He'll set you straight.
>>>
>>
>> How about if instead of asking Marco myself, I trust you and accept
>> what you wrote here:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.homebuilt/msg/140ade846d2bfabf?hl=en&
>> "Marco knows it had not flown when the record application was
>> submitted "?
>>
>> Now, keeping in mind that opinion is like flatulence,
>> in that everyone has it and everyone thinks everyone
>> else's stinks worse than their own, IMHO, it takes more
>> than a bit of chutzpah to submit a claim for the world's
>> smallest/lightest/shortest/whatever human piloted
>> jet aircraft, when the aircraft in question has never flown.
>>
>> But to accept, such a claim, as Guiness has, is just plain
>> stupid. And that is their problem, not yours.
>>
>> The way I look at it, if the plane doesn't have to fly to hold the
>> record that guy with the jet-powered Cri-Cri could just lop
>> off a little from each (or only one!) wing and the nose and
>> take the record away from your BD5. Then you could do
>> the same and take it back. The two of you could keep that
>> up until all that is left of each of your planes is a seat
>> duct taped onto an engine. At that point I think the
>> Cri-Cri would win, having the smaller engine.
>>
>> During that process, it would never be clear exactly
>> when either plane ceased to qualify as a human-piloted
>> jet aircraft, so I would think that it would only be reasonable
>> to include, as a condition for the record, a stipulation that
>> the plane leave the ground under it's own power, while
>> carrying a human pilot.
>>
>> Then we could argue over whether or not it left ground effect.
>>
> Gee, now yawn will have to put you in your place with a childish
> remark. Brace yourself.

Geez, got me a volunteer secretary now. And a free one, too. Thanks for
taking care of that for me. :)

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anon

December 29th 06, 04:49 PM

So, in an assignment in which you were tasked to help people, you helped
people? To what extent did you place yourself at risk in this mission?

> Tell you what, if you ever grow balls large enough, go check the records
> of SOES, circa 1979 through 1981, at MCAS Cherry Point. In fact, check out
> the records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had just
> given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just
> given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time, double-digit
> midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took them from Cherry
> Point to the main hospital at Lejeune.

anon

December 29th 06, 04:54 PM

So, you did a job you considered simple under pressure. Doesn't appear to
be a career-defining moment, to me.

"> Within weeks I got my best eval ever and had my txfr request out of NC
> approved, to California. The rest is history, and records from that day
> will verify everything happened exactly as I state here.

Al G[_1_]

December 29th 06, 05:12 PM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> wrote:
>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ups.com...
>>>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>>> Sorry, ChuckSteak, but it has to carry a human being. You don't rate
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> privilege. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>> But it doesn't have to ever leave the ground while carrying a
>>>>> human being right?
>>>> Ask Marco. He'll set you straight.
>>>>
>>>
>>> How about if instead of asking Marco myself, I trust you and accept
>>> what you wrote here:
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.homebuilt/msg/140ade846d2bfabf?hl=en&
>>> "Marco knows it had not flown when the record application was
>>> submitted "?
>>>
>>> Now, keeping in mind that opinion is like flatulence,
>>> in that everyone has it and everyone thinks everyone
>>> else's stinks worse than their own, IMHO, it takes more
>>> than a bit of chutzpah to submit a claim for the world's
>>> smallest/lightest/shortest/whatever human piloted
>>> jet aircraft, when the aircraft in question has never flown.
>>>
>>> But to accept, such a claim, as Guiness has, is just plain
>>> stupid. And that is their problem, not yours.
>>>
>>> The way I look at it, if the plane doesn't have to fly to hold the
>>> record that guy with the jet-powered Cri-Cri could just lop
>>> off a little from each (or only one!) wing and the nose and
>>> take the record away from your BD5. Then you could do
>>> the same and take it back. The two of you could keep that
>>> up until all that is left of each of your planes is a seat
>>> duct taped onto an engine. At that point I think the
>>> Cri-Cri would win, having the smaller engine.
>>>
>>> During that process, it would never be clear exactly
>>> when either plane ceased to qualify as a human-piloted
>>> jet aircraft, so I would think that it would only be reasonable
>>> to include, as a condition for the record, a stipulation that
>>> the plane leave the ground under it's own power, while
>>> carrying a human pilot.
>>>
>>> Then we could argue over whether or not it left ground effect.
>>>
>> Gee, now yawn will have to put you in your place with a childish
>> remark. Brace yourself.
>
> Geez, got me a volunteer secretary now. And a free one, too. Thanks for
> taking care of that for me. :)

What repartee scooter, You come up with this stuff all by yourself?

Al G

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 29th 06, 05:18 PM

If I have to explain to you that military aviation is by definition a risky
business, I doubt you would understand it. The point is not the risk, the
point is lives were saved. But you already knew that, didn't you. :)

"anon" > wrote in message
m...
> So, in an assignment in which you were tasked to help people, you helped
> people? To what extent did you place yourself at risk in this mission?
>
>> Tell you what, if you ever grow balls large enough, go check the records
>> of SOES, circa 1979 through 1981, at MCAS Cherry Point. In fact, check
>> out the records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had just
>> given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just
>> given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time,
>> double-digit midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took
>> them from Cherry Point to the main hospital at Lejeune.
>
>

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 29th 06, 05:19 PM

Yes, it would seem so to someone who doesn't value the lives of a mother and
a newborn, wouldn't it.

Putz. :)

"anon" > wrote in message
m...
> So, you did a job you considered simple under pressure. Doesn't appear to
> be a career-defining moment, to me.
>
> "> Within weeks I got my best eval ever and had my txfr request out of NC
>> approved, to California. The rest is history, and records from that day
>> will verify everything happened exactly as I state here.
>
>

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 29th 06, 05:19 PM

"Al G" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
>>
>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> wrote:
>>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> ups.com...
>>>>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Sorry, ChuckSteak, but it has to carry a human being. You don't rate
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> privilege. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it doesn't have to ever leave the ground while carrying a
>>>>>> human being right?
>>>>> Ask Marco. He'll set you straight.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How about if instead of asking Marco myself, I trust you and accept
>>>> what you wrote here:
>>>>
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.homebuilt/msg/140ade846d2bfabf?hl=en&
>>>> "Marco knows it had not flown when the record application was
>>>> submitted "?
>>>>
>>>> Now, keeping in mind that opinion is like flatulence,
>>>> in that everyone has it and everyone thinks everyone
>>>> else's stinks worse than their own, IMHO, it takes more
>>>> than a bit of chutzpah to submit a claim for the world's
>>>> smallest/lightest/shortest/whatever human piloted
>>>> jet aircraft, when the aircraft in question has never flown.
>>>>
>>>> But to accept, such a claim, as Guiness has, is just plain
>>>> stupid. And that is their problem, not yours.
>>>>
>>>> The way I look at it, if the plane doesn't have to fly to hold the
>>>> record that guy with the jet-powered Cri-Cri could just lop
>>>> off a little from each (or only one!) wing and the nose and
>>>> take the record away from your BD5. Then you could do
>>>> the same and take it back. The two of you could keep that
>>>> up until all that is left of each of your planes is a seat
>>>> duct taped onto an engine. At that point I think the
>>>> Cri-Cri would win, having the smaller engine.
>>>>
>>>> During that process, it would never be clear exactly
>>>> when either plane ceased to qualify as a human-piloted
>>>> jet aircraft, so I would think that it would only be reasonable
>>>> to include, as a condition for the record, a stipulation that
>>>> the plane leave the ground under it's own power, while
>>>> carrying a human pilot.
>>>>
>>>> Then we could argue over whether or not it left ground effect.
>>>>
>>> Gee, now yawn will have to put you in your place with a childish
>>> remark. Brace yourself.
>>
>> Geez, got me a volunteer secretary now. And a free one, too. Thanks for
>> taking care of that for me. :)
>
> What repartee scooter, You come up with this stuff all by yourself?

Nah, for this I use a grade-school comeback generator on the web. You don't
rate the good stuff. :)

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anon

December 29th 06, 07:42 PM

Only a stupid **** like you could make such a statement.

You are the one that characterized your repair as quick and simple. I don't
see how anyone could view this as a career-defining moment. For all we know,
you might have been a terrible Marine.

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
> Yes, it would seem so to someone who doesn't value the lives of a mother
> and a newborn, wouldn't it.
>
> Putz. :)

anon

December 29th 06, 07:48 PM

My father is a retired Naval Aviator.

There is no doubt in my mind that I have attended more memorial services
than you. My father has lost dozens of friends. My best friend lost his
father and my high school girlfriend lost her father. I won't go into
specifics, but my father was involved in a crash in 1969 and only an
ejection seat failure kept him from ejecting in 1978.

I am aware of the risks. Anyone who grew up in a Navy town knows the risk.

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
> If I have to explain to you that military aviation is by definition a
> risky business, I doubt you would understand it. The point is not the
> risk, the point is lives were saved. But you already knew that, didn't
> you. :)
>
> "anon" > wrote in message
> m...
>> So, in an assignment in which you were tasked to help people, you helped
>> people? To what extent did you place yourself at risk in this mission?
>>
>>> Tell you what, if you ever grow balls large enough, go check the records
>>> of SOES, circa 1979 through 1981, at MCAS Cherry Point. In fact, check
>>> out the records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had
>>> just given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had
>>> just given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time,
>>> double-digit midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took
>>> them from Cherry Point to the main hospital at Lejeune.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>

BobR

December 29th 06, 08:26 PM

Come on ANON, the Lone Ranger and his trusty "sidekick" rode to the
rescue and singlehandedly saved a damsel in distress. Give credit
where credit is due. It was an heroic effort that could only have been
done by someone showing courage in the face of extreme danger and
knowing that lives were at stake. I just can't figure out why he
didn't receive the congressional medal of honor for his efforts. Must
have been an oversight on somebody's part. I am surprised that they
would let someone so obviously valuable and knowledgable transfer to
another base after such a heroic feat...again an oversight on
somebody's part.

anon wrote:
> Only a stupid **** like you could make such a statement.
>
> You are the one that characterized your repair as quick and simple. I don't
> see how anyone could view this as a career-defining moment. For all we know,
> you might have been a terrible Marine.
>
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Yes, it would seem so to someone who doesn't value the lives of a mother
> > and a newborn, wouldn't it.
> >
> > Putz. :)

Dan[_2_]

December 29th 06, 10:22 PM

BobR wrote:
> Come on ANON, the Lone Ranger and his trusty "sidekick" rode to the
> rescue and singlehandedly saved a damsel in distress. Give credit
> where credit is due. It was an heroic effort that could only have been
> done by someone showing courage in the face of extreme danger and
> knowing that lives were at stake. I just can't figure out why he
> didn't receive the congressional medal of honor for his efforts. Must
> have been an oversight on somebody's part. I am surprised that they
> would let someone so obviously valuable and knowledgable transfer to
> another base after such a heroic feat...again an oversight on
> somebody's part.
>
>
> anon wrote:
>> Only a stupid **** like you could make such a statement.
>>
>> You are the one that characterized your repair as quick and simple. I don't
>> see how anyone could view this as a career-defining moment. For all we know,
>> you might have been a terrible Marine.
>>
>>
>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>> Yes, it would seem so to someone who doesn't value the lives of a mother
>>> and a newborn, wouldn't it.
>>>
>>> Putz. :)
>

BobR, the Medal of Honour is a combat medal. In any event yawn is so
modest he would have declined any medal or acknowledgment of his
actions. The only reason he accepted his Good Conduct Medal is his
commander held him down and pinned it on him.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Wayne Paul

December 29th 06, 10:37 PM

You sound like one of my sons, or one of many Vietnam era navy dependants.

What did your father fly? On what ships did he serve? Maybe we know each
other. (email me.)

Wayne
A-3B/A-6A, Constellation, FDR, Ranger, Midway, and Enterprise.
http://www.soaridaho.com

"anon" > wrote in message
...
> My father is a retired Naval Aviator.
>
> There is no doubt in my mind that I have attended more memorial services
> than you. My father has lost dozens of friends. My best friend lost his
> father and my high school girlfriend lost her father. I won't go into
> specifics, but my father was involved in a crash in 1969 and only an
> ejection seat failure kept him from ejecting in 1978.
>
> I am aware of the risks. Anyone who grew up in a Navy town knows the risk.
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> If I have to explain to you that military aviation is by definition a
>> risky business, I doubt you would understand it. The point is not the
>> risk, the point is lives were saved. But you already knew that, didn't
>> you. :)
>>

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 29th 06, 11:08 PM

"anon" > wrote in message
m...
> Only a stupid **** like you could make such a statement.

Actually, you did. And you proved you have zero reading comprehension. Two
putz awards for the prize of one. You go, boi!

<mercy snip>

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 29th 06, 11:10 PM

"anon" > wrote in message
...
> My father is a retired Naval Aviator.
>
> There is no doubt in my mind that I have attended more memorial services
> than you.

That's between you and your priest. And I am not interested in your personal
problems, except to point out that if your father was also the one who
taught you to hide his last name behind a cowardly anonymous post, you've
got more issues than you think. If you're going to post, be man enough to
put the name he gave you behind your words. Otherwise, shut the **** up and
go back under your rock.

<mercy snip>

>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> If I have to explain to you that military aviation is by definition a
>> risky business, I doubt you would understand it. The point is not the
>> risk, the point is lives were saved. But you already knew that, didn't
>> you. :)
>>
>> "anon" > wrote in message
>> m...
>>> So, in an assignment in which you were tasked to help people, you helped
>>> people? To what extent did you place yourself at risk in this mission?
>>>
>>>> Tell you what, if you ever grow balls large enough, go check the
>>>> records of SOES, circa 1979 through 1981, at MCAS Cherry Point. In
>>>> fact, check out the records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a
>>>> mom who had just given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to
>>>> which she had just given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at
>>>> the time, double-digit midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft
>>>> that took them from Cherry Point to the main hospital at Lejeune.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 29th 06, 11:11 PM

"BobR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Come on ANON, the Lone Ranger and his trusty "sidekick" rode to the
> rescue and singlehandedly saved a damsel in distress.

Here we go again, whining about not being able to achieve anything and
complaining when someone else does. Get a life, Bob. You bore the **** out
of everyone here with your posts.

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 29th 06, 11:12 PM

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
>
> BobR, the Medal of Honour is a combat medal. In any event yawn is so
> modest he would have declined any medal or acknowledgment of his actions.
> The only reason he accepted his Good Conduct Medal is his commander held
> him down and pinned it on him.

There you go, sticking your entire leg down your throat again. I never got
one of those. LOL!

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 29th 06, 11:13 PM

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:42:29 -0500, "anon" > wrote:
>
>>Only a stupid **** like you could make such a statement.
>>
>>You are the one that characterized your repair as quick and simple. I
>>don't
>>see how anyone could view this as a career-defining moment. For all we
>>know,
>>you might have been a terrible Marine.
>
> Zoom is well known for his stories of saving people, particularly
> women and children, with his feats of superior skill in adverse
> situations. His "getting shot in the leg while saving an 11 year old
> from rapists in Reno" is a classic.
>
> Yawn is just picking up where his mentor left off.
>
> Oh, yeah, :)

So why don't you write the corps and ask for verification? I dare you.
And no, I won't hold my breath. As I said, I don't do that for RAH bigmouth
cowards.

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 29th 06, 11:17 PM

"BobR" > wrote in message
ups.com...

<mercy snip>

Hey Bob, since you're so up on stories, why don't you tell everyone the one
about when you went bankrupt, so you can gloat about how afterwards you did
what you were supposed to have done in the first place, __pay your bills__?
Or how about the story of Jim Bede conning you out of a few bucks? It's New
Year's Eve, and the bar has Open Whiners Night. Have at it!

<pass the popcorn>

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BobR

December 29th 06, 11:38 PM

Sorry Jaun but I must leave that story to you since you seem to think
you have all the facts, which is something you have never bothered with
in the past. For your information though, I have never gone bankrupt,
never even missed a payment or been late on a payment. The only debt I
have is a small amount remaining on my house and that could be paid off
with what I have in the bank. So please do tell everyone what lies you
have made up today and make sure they are good ones so you can keep
looking like the court jester.

You just can't seem to resist opening you dumb mouth and sticking both
feet into it after you have waded through your own ****. Enough with
you, you aren't worth the time or the effort.

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "BobR" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
> <mercy snip>
>
> Hey Bob, since you're so up on stories, why don't you tell everyone the one
> about when you went bankrupt, so you can gloat about how afterwards you did
> what you were supposed to have done in the first place, __pay your bills__?
> Or how about the story of Jim Bede conning you out of a few bucks? It's New
> Year's Eve, and the bar has Open Whiners Night. Have at it!
>
> <pass the popcorn>
>
>
>
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Dan[_2_]

December 29th 06, 11:53 PM

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> BobR, the Medal of Honour is a combat medal. In any event yawn is so
>> modest he would have declined any medal or acknowledgment of his actions.
>> The only reason he accepted his Good Conduct Medal is his commander held
>> him down and pinned it on him.
>
> There you go, sticking your entire leg down your throat again. I never got
> one of those. LOL!
>
>
Even in the Marines you have to screw up real bad to not get one. Were you
a bad boy or were you thrown out in less than 3 years?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Harry K

December 30th 06, 01:14 AM

BobR wrote:
> Sorry Jaun but I must leave that story to you since you seem to think
> you have all the facts, which is something you have never bothered with
> in the past. For your information though, I have never gone bankrupt,
> never even missed a payment or been late on a payment. The only debt I
> have is a small amount remaining on my house and that could be paid off
> with what I have in the bank. So please do tell everyone what lies you
> have made up today and make sure they are good ones so you can keep
> looking like the court jester.
>
> You just can't seem to resist opening you dumb mouth and sticking both
> feet into it after you have waded through your own ****. Enough with
> you, you aren't worth the time or the effort.
>

Oooofff!! The mental picture of butterball with both feet in his mouth
and head up ass has ruined my supper!

Harry K

> Juan Jimenez wrote:
> > "BobR" > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> >
> > <mercy snip>
> >
> > Hey Bob, since you're so up on stories, why don't you tell everyone the one
> > about when you went bankrupt, so you can gloat about how afterwards you did
> > what you were supposed to have done in the first place, __pay your bills__?
> > Or how about the story of Jim Bede conning you out of a few bucks? It's New
> > Year's Eve, and the bar has Open Whiners Night. Have at it!
> >
> > <pass the popcorn>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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BobR

December 30th 06, 02:19 AM

You really have to wonder what drives someone to continually act like
the childhood bully who was always trying to boost his own ego by lying
about others and trying to tear them down. I can understand it from
the child but not from a grown adult. Jauns never ending obsession
with how "much he has accomplished" and how nobody else could possibly
have done as much as him is sick. His little story about doing his job
and wanting a pat on the back for it years later is so childish but at
least it isn't harmful. His constant fabrication of lies about anyone
who doesn't accept his bull**** is more than just childish, it is down
right sick. You only need to look at a few of the thousands of posts
in this group and others to see that his behavior is NOT limited to
RAH. I must wonder when he finds time to do anything except post on
these newsgroups.

Richard Riley wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:13:42 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >So why don't you write the corps and ask for verification? I dare you.
> >And no, I won't hold my breath. As I said, I don't do that for RAH bigmouth
> >cowards.
>
> You know, we used to do that, with Zoom's tall tails. We'd go find
> track down the date and place, get an intependent witness, they'd
> swear up and down that it didn't happen - or that it happened to
> someone other than Zoom or the like.
>
> It really didn't make any difference. Zoom just kept on telling his
> tall stories, and the gullible kept on believing him.
>
> So why should anyone bother to write the Corps? They have better
> things to do. We know you. We know you have the "World's Record"
> for the "Worlds Smallest Jet Plane" - when your plane has never flown
> and is both wider and heavier than a manned jet that DOES fly
> regularly. We know you think that Jim Bede, Jim Campbell and Paul
> Moller are honest, honorable people and are a boon to aviation. We
> know you think Bob has gone bankrupt, Chuck doesn't own his truck, I'm
> wanted in 12 states and you could make a living flying a BD5J at
> airshows.
>
> We know whether we should believe you or not.
>
> ;)

anon

December 30th 06, 05:37 AM

I often post under my name. However, when it comes to you and Zoom, I
prefer to avoid any hassles. If you were curious, you could find out who I
am. Just ask Campbell - he might remember calling me on a Sunday while I
was visiting my dying grandmother.

Whether I post under my name or not, I maintain my honesty and integrity.
I have walked away from friends that were abusive in their relationships,
dishonest in their business practices, or associated with those that were.
You association with Campbell is enough to define what type of man you are.

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> That's between you and your priest. And I am not interested in your
> personal problems, except to point out that if your father was also the
> one who taught you to hide his last name behind a cowardly anonymous post,
> you've got more issues than you think. If you're going to post, be man
> enough to put the name he gave you behind your words. Otherwise, shut the
> **** up and go back under your rock.

anon

December 30th 06, 05:59 AM

You stupid son of bitch. You can't even following your own conversations.
You suggested that I didn't fully understand the risks associated with
military aviation. My post suggests that I do.

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
> That's between you and your priest. And I am not interested in your
> personal problems,

Bela P. Havasreti

December 30th 06, 09:22 AM

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:11:26 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
wrote:

>
>"BobR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> Come on ANON, the Lone Ranger and his trusty "sidekick" rode to the
>> rescue and singlehandedly saved a damsel in distress.
>
>Here we go again, whining about not being able to achieve anything and
>complaining when someone else does. Get a life, Bob. You bore the **** out
>of everyone here with your posts.

Careful with using the word everyone (rarely is the case....).

Bela P. Havasretia

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 30th 06, 04:52 PM

"BobR" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Sorry Jaun but I must leave that story to you since you seem to think
> you have all the facts, which is something you have never bothered with
> in the past.

Sorry, Bob, you're the one who repeated the story over and over again.
Here's your chance to do it all over again! L:)

> For your information though, I have never gone bankrupt,
> never even missed a payment or been late on a payment.

Is that so? Hmm, we need to look at google archives. :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 30th 06, 04:53 PM

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> BobR, the Medal of Honour is a combat medal. In any event yawn is so
>>> modest he would have declined any medal or acknowledgment of his
>>> actions. The only reason he accepted his Good Conduct Medal is his
>>> commander held him down and pinned it on him.
>>
>> There you go, sticking your entire leg down your throat again. I never
>> got one of those. LOL!
> Even in the Marines you have to screw up real bad to not get one. Were you
> a bad boy or were you thrown out in less than 3 years?

Nope, wrong again, as usual. Four year, honorable discharge. :) Come back
when mama gives you more quarters. :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 30th 06, 04:54 PM

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:13:42 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>So why don't you write the corps and ask for verification? I dare you.
>>And no, I won't hold my breath. As I said, I don't do that for RAH
>>bigmouth
>>cowards.
>
> You know, we used to do that, with Zoom's tall tails. We'd go find
> track down the date and place, get an intependent witness, they'd
> swear up and down that it didn't happen - or that it happened to
> someone other than Zoom or the like.

Boy, you really know how to backpedal, eh? LOL! Excuses, as usual. You rah
gagglers are all the same, all bark, no bite. Boring. :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 30th 06, 04:54 PM

"anon" > wrote in message
m...
>I often post under my name. However, when it comes to you and Zoom, I
>prefer to avoid any hassles.

Another yellow-stripe coward. Get outta my face, boi.

<mercy snip>

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 30th 06, 04:55 PM

"anon" > wrote in message
m...
> You can't even following your own conversations.

Conversation? Cowards like you don't make conversation. :)

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anon

December 30th 06, 07:04 PM

So, I'm a coward because I sometimes like to post anonymously? Why don't
you explain. From what risk am I being cowardly? I guess in that thick
skull of yours, you can't come up with any reasons why a person might want
to avoid posting under their given name.

Why don't you just challenge my words. Why does the author matter to you?
Are you going to bake me a cake, buy me a present, or send me flowers?

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
> Conversation? Cowards like you don't make conversation. :)

anon

December 30th 06, 07:24 PM

Here is Juan looking silly in a fight suit.

http://www.bd5.com/videos/ntd-bd5j.wmv

Scott[_1_]

December 30th 06, 07:45 PM

Ask them for what? To verify you were in the MC? That you did your
job? Yeah, it was a good thing that you did, no doubt, but it sounds
just like any other day in the Air Force.

I was in the Air Force and stationed at Keesler (Biloxi, MS) during
Hurricane Elena in 1985. (Yes, THAT sucked!). Anyhow, after the breeze
stopped (broke the wind measuring equipment at 125 MPH, so never did
find out how hard it blew), it was found that there was no power on the
base and our amateur radio repeater was thus off the air. Officials
were relying on it to bridge the gap in communications between Gulfport
and Pascagoula. So what did I do? I walked out to the street in front
of my dorm, found a wrecked car, lifted the hood and stole the battery.
Hand carried it about a half a mile to the radio club building and
hooked it up to the repeater and got it on the air (had to do a
makeshift repair on the antenna as well). Got a letter of commendation
for "rising to the occasion". I can scan a copy if you wish. I don't
feel I went above and beyond, but the base CO appreciated it enough to
write a letter to our CO. All that for a petty theft ;)

So, what exactly is YOUR point about the article? I have more stories
similar to yours, ie fixing the headphone jack on one of the KC-135s I
worked on as it was rolling down the taxiway to takeoff to refuel
FB-111s that were on their way to Libya in 1986...I could probably
recall many more, but that part of my life is past and prefer to "tout
my horn to present events in my life" by slowly building an RV-4, a
Georgias Special and modify my present ride (Corben Junior Ace)...

Scott

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Richard Riley" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:42:29 -0500, "anon" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Only a stupid **** like you could make such a statement.
>>>
>>>You are the one that characterized your repair as quick and simple. I
>>>don't
>>>see how anyone could view this as a career-defining moment. For all we
>>>know,
>>>you might have been a terrible Marine.
>>
>>Zoom is well known for his stories of saving people, particularly
>>women and children, with his feats of superior skill in adverse
>>situations. His "getting shot in the leg while saving an 11 year old
>>from rapists in Reno" is a classic.
>>
>>Yawn is just picking up where his mentor left off.
>>
>>Oh, yeah, :)
>
>
> So why don't you write the corps and ask for verification? I dare you.
> And no, I won't hold my breath. As I said, I don't do that for RAH bigmouth
> cowards.
>
>
>

BobR

December 30th 06, 11:44 PM

Put up or shut the **** up! Once again, you have opened you mouth
without facts and once again you are the one with **** on your face.

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "BobR" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Sorry Jaun but I must leave that story to you since you seem to think
> > you have all the facts, which is something you have never bothered with
> > in the past.
>
> Sorry, Bob, you're the one who repeated the story over and over again.
> Here's your chance to do it all over again! L:)
>
> > For your information though, I have never gone bankrupt,
> > never even missed a payment or been late on a payment.
>
> Is that so? Hmm, we need to look at google archives. :)
>
>
>
>
> --
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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 31st 06, 01:52 AM

"Scott" > wrote in message
.. .
> Ask them for what? To verify you were in the MC? That you did your job?
> Yeah, it was a good thing that you did, no doubt, but it sounds just like
> any other day in the Air Force.

LOL! Yeah, sure, that must be the story. :)

> I was in the Air Force and stationed at Keesler (Biloxi, MS) during
> Hurricane Elena in 1985. (Yes, THAT sucked!). Anyhow, after the breeze
> stopped (broke the wind measuring equipment at 125 MPH, so never did find
> out how hard it blew), it was found that there was no power on the base
> and our amateur radio repeater was thus off the air. Officials were
> relying on it to bridge the gap in communications between Gulfport and
> Pascagoula. So what did I do? I walked out to the street in front of my
> dorm, found a wrecked car, lifted the hood and stole the battery. Hand
> carried it about a half a mile to the radio club building and hooked it up
> to the repeater and got it on the air (had to do a makeshift repair on the
> antenna as well). Got a letter of commendation for "rising to the
> occasion". I can scan a copy if you wish. I don't feel I went above and
> beyond, but the base CO appreciated it enough to write a letter to our CO.
> All that for a petty theft ;)

So, the battery was your substitute for the kid? Hmm. Weird logic, but what
the heck, you got your letter.

> So, what exactly is YOUR point about the article?

Read the thread. You'll figure it out, sooner or later.

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 31st 06, 02:07 AM

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:54:10 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Boy, you really know how to backpedal, eh? LOL! Excuses, as usual. You rah
>>gagglers are all the same, all bark, no bite. Boring. :)
>
> Juan, what would the point be?

Gee, how about "standing behind what you words"? Over here we call that
"backbone." I'm amazed I have to explain that.

Or maybe not.

<excuses snipped>

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

December 31st 06, 02:34 AM

Good, shut the **** up then, Bob. That's the best idea you've had all year!

So predictable.... big mouth, lots of hot air, but when it all gets forcefed
down your throat in the same way you like to dish it out, you squeal like a
stuck Texas pig. Yank the chain, watch the gaggler dance... LMAO! :)

<watch, the response is so predictable, I call it Bull****Bob Response #3>
:)

"BobR" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Put up or shut the **** up! Once again, you have opened you mouth
> without facts and once again you are the one with **** on your face.
>
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "BobR" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> > Sorry Jaun but I must leave that story to you since you seem to think
>> > you have all the facts, which is something you have never bothered with
>> > in the past.
>>
>> Sorry, Bob, you're the one who repeated the story over and over again.
>> Here's your chance to do it all over again! L:)
>>
>> > For your information though, I have never gone bankrupt,
>> > never even missed a payment or been late on a payment.
>>
>> Is that so? Hmm, we need to look at google archives. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>

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BobR

December 31st 06, 03:24 AM

Hey dumbass, you made a claim against me now back it up with facts or
admit to everyone that you are a bald faced liar. It is simple, you
make a claim against someone you have the facts to back it up or you
don't. In this case, I know for certain that you don't and so do you.
You are just too much of a chicken **** to admit it and start this
avoidence dance of yours with all the standard bull ****.

Jaun, you are a LIAR and most of the people in this group have known it
for a long time. A short look at your hundreds of posts every month in
all the other newsgroups you spend hours in every day shows that you
don't limit your lies to this group either. Like Campbell, you might
have something useful to contribute if you hadn't destroyed your
credibility a long time ago.

Yeah, my response is very predictable but the only bull**** is coming
from your mouth. Backup your claims or shut up...simple isn't it? You
won't, you can't and once again you will blow hot air up everyone's
ass. Talk about predictable!

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> Good, shut the **** up then, Bob. That's the best idea you've had all year!
>
> So predictable.... big mouth, lots of hot air, but when it all gets forcefed
> down your throat in the same way you like to dish it out, you squeal like a
> stuck Texas pig. Yank the chain, watch the gaggler dance... LMAO! :)
>
> <watch, the response is so predictable, I call it Bull****Bob Response #3>
> :)
>
> "BobR" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Put up or shut the **** up! Once again, you have opened you mouth
> > without facts and once again you are the one with **** on your face.
> >
> >
> > Juan Jimenez wrote:
> >> "BobR" > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...
> >> > Sorry Jaun but I must leave that story to you since you seem to think
> >> > you have all the facts, which is something you have never bothered with
> >> > in the past.
> >>
> >> Sorry, Bob, you're the one who repeated the story over and over again.
> >> Here's your chance to do it all over again! L:)
> >>
> >> > For your information though, I have never gone bankrupt,
> >> > never even missed a payment or been late on a payment.
> >>
> >> Is that so? Hmm, we need to look at google archives. :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >
>
>
>
>
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anon

December 31st 06, 04:15 AM

Juan, you really see yourself as a hero, don't you?

You performed competently under pressure in the normal course of your job.
Your failure to perform could have had dire circumstances. I can think of
dozens of jobs that place people in similar situations as a matter of
routine, not just once in a career.

I believe your story and find it interesting. That said, I can't see how it
is career-defining or portrays you as anything other than competent in your
job. I don't see any heroics or courage and in your telling of the story,
you don't really paint of picture of building pressure prior to resolution.

Strangely, you ask us to check out Marine records to corroborate your story,
but you don't really offer any specifics or even tell us what specific
military records might corroborate your story. You like to throw out
near-impossible assignments for the class, don't you?

Maybe, you can help.

How were such missions documented and in what detail were they documented?
What military documents describe these events? Did you receive any
decorations, letters of appreciation, letters of recognition? Are these
events described in your fitrep?

"In fact, check out the records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom
who had just given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she
had just given
birth."

Can you be more specific, as far as date?

"Then check out the comments of the (at the time, double-digit midget)
Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took them from Cherry Point to
the main hospital at Lejeune."

Juan, on what document might we find these comments? If you know where
these events are documented, why don't you tell us?

Kyle Boatright

December 31st 06, 04:18 AM

"anon" > wrote in message
m...
> Here is Juan looking silly in a fight suit.
>
> http://www.bd5.com/videos/ntd-bd5j.wmv

Would it be inappropriate to comment on all the fake boobs in that video?

Dan[_2_]

December 31st 06, 05:09 AM

anon wrote:
> Juan, you really see yourself as a hero, don't you?
>
> You performed competently under pressure in the normal course of your job.
> Your failure to perform could have had dire circumstances. I can think of
> dozens of jobs that place people in similar situations as a matter of
> routine, not just once in a career.
>
> I believe your story and find it interesting. That said, I can't see how it
> is career-defining or portrays you as anything other than competent in your
> job. I don't see any heroics or courage and in your telling of the story,
> you don't really paint of picture of building pressure prior to resolution.
>
> Strangely, you ask us to check out Marine records to corroborate your story,
> but you don't really offer any specifics or even tell us what specific
> military records might corroborate your story. You like to throw out
> near-impossible assignments for the class, don't you?
>
> Maybe, you can help.
>
> How were such missions documented and in what detail were they documented?
> What military documents describe these events? Did you receive any
> decorations, letters of appreciation, letters of recognition? Are these
> events described in your fitrep?
>
> "In fact, check out the records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom
> who had just given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she
> had just given
> birth."
>
> Can you be more specific, as far as date?
>
>
> "Then check out the comments of the (at the time, double-digit midget)
> Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took them from Cherry Point to
> the main hospital at Lejeune."
>
> Juan, on what document might we find these comments? If you know where
> these events are documented, why don't you tell us?
>
>

The funny part is yawn admitted to being a screw up when he said he
never got a good conduct medal despite having served 4 years. I am
curious why he didn't get one. They are automatic every 3 years unless
his commander justifies in writing why he shouldn't get it. Poor boy
admitted to being a screw up and didn't even know it. Yawn, before you
tell us again you got an honourable discharge that doesn't mean you were
a good Marine or even good at your job. I have seen people in all
branches who just loaf through their hitch. The fact you felt the need
to brag about doing your job that one time tells me you were just
another skate.

Let's face it, yawn, you are just a manure salesman with a mouthful
of samples.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

anon

December 31st 06, 05:52 AM

Didn't the reference to the double-digit midget Vietnam-era crew chief sound
a little awkward? It sounds a little disrespectful to me. I believe Juan's
story, but the crew chief reference reminds me of when people add a little
jargon or colorful characters to give credibility to a lie.

This is best described in a scene from Reservoir Dogs:

"The things you gotta remember are the details. It's the details that sell
your story. Now this story takes place in this men's room. So you gotta
know the details about this men's room. You gotta know they got a blower
instead of a towel to dry your hands. You gotta know the stalls ain't got
no doors. You gotta know whether they got liquid or powdered soap, whether
they got hot water or not, 'cause if you do your job when you tell your
story, everybody should believe it. And if you tell your story to somebody
who's actually taken a **** in this men's room, and you get one detail they
remember right, they'll swear by you."

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
> There is no "link" for that. There was no consumer "internet" at the time.
> You'll have to go to the squadron to find the records, assuming they still
> have them, otherwise you'll have to ask the Marine Corps to check their
> archives. I don't know how long they keep records locally.
>
> The story is this: At 9pm I was working night duty in the avionics shop.
> We were scheduled to go home on standby at about that time and were about
> to cleanup and turn in our tools when the hanglar claxon went off and the
> PA system announced the usual "Launch Pedro!". Pedro was the codename for
> whatever helo was the duty bird. So, myself and my sidekick sat down to
> wait, because if the bird was going out we had to stay in case it came
> back with squawks.
>
> Not more than 2 minutes later we get an intercom call to go to the
> aircraft. So we run out there, and we can see the APU is running but no
> lights. I go inside and gesture to the crew chief and he points to the
> lights ... no power. I checked the obvious things, and nothing, so I
> turned around to my sidekick, the slowest kid in the shop, and asked him
> if they had done anything to do the bird that day. Changed the APU, he
> said. D-oh. Ok, did you check it when you were done rewiring it? No. No??
> Did you bother to run it up? No. Why not? I'm not checked out. (It takes a
> short check and two switches to turn on the APU on an CH-46A... that
> should give you the picture.)
>
> So, I turned around and dropped the upper rear clamshell a bit, raised the
> lower one to just a few inches under, and carefully slid up to the running
> APU. I removed the small plastic cover over the wires and immediately saw
> what was wrong. Wiring becomes somewhat brittle over the years, and when
> its put back on the wrong way it's rather obvious because of the way it
> looks. So I switched the two incorrectly installed wires, replaced the
> cover, safety wired it, checked for loose safety wire, inventoried tools
> and slid back down.
>
> I tell the CC to fire up the power and even though its dark and he's
> wearing a helmet, he gives me one of these "Are you out of your ****ing
> mind?" looks. I repeat the hand gesture to power up, he talks with the
> crew up front, I can see them looking back from the cockpit, so I walk up,
> asked for permission to turn on power, they sort of nodded and I did.
> Power came right back up. Big smiles in the cockpit.
>
> I went back to finish up with the crew chief (who had another huge smile
> on his face). Just then I realized why he had a huge smile. Two ambulances
> came roaring down the ramp and parked right behind the helo. Out came a
> woman in a stretcher, clearly in distress. Behind her came a portable
> incubator with a preemie. The woman had just given birth and was
> hemorraghing, they were on the way to Lejeune because that's where the big
> hospital was located.
>
> We got off and the helo fired up its engines and roared off into the night
> sky. Came back with no squawks, so we went home. The next day the Vietnam
> vet crew chief (and senior crew chief in the squadron) told everyone in
> the squadron I knew my **** down cold and he'd trust me to work on
> anything with a wire on his bird. I already had the ability to do just
> that, but that one compliment made my whole year. Doesn't happen very
> often.
>
> Within weeks I got my best eval ever and had my txfr request out of NC
> approved, to California. The rest is history, and records from that day
> will verify everything happened exactly as I state here.
>
> And yes, both the mom and the child were OK, I just never heard from them
> again.
>
> "Scott" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> Thanks for the link. However, I was unable to find a reference to the
>> "medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had just
>> >>>given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just
>> >>>given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time,
>> >>>double-digit midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took
>> >>>them from Cherry Point to the main hospital at Lejeune."
>>
>> It sounds like it might be interesting reading...
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>
>>> I doubt you will find a URL. SOES is the Station Operations and
>>> Engineering Squadron. I worked there from 1979 to 1981 maintaining their
>>> CH-46A SAR birds.
>>>
>>> Oh, wait a sec. I see why you can't find it. It's been renamed and is
>>> now VMR-1.
>>>
>>> http://www.cherrypoint.usmc.mil/mcabe/vmr1/vmr1.asp
>>>
>>> Look at the history page, you'll see this is what used to be SOES.
>>>
>>> They now have HH-46D's. Looks like they finally upgraded sometime after
>>> I left for MCAS(H) Tustin in Southern California and was assigned to
>>> HMM-161 until I got out in 1982. They are also listed as having UC-12B
>>> King Air's, but that's not what we had when I was there, back then they
>>> had Piper Apache's, I forget the designationm U-something too. There
>>> were rumors they were going to be replaced with the King Air's but when
>>> I left they had not arrived. We already had the C-9B's and we also had
>>> some T-39 Sabreliners for VIP transport.
>>>
>>> This was our hangar. I assume it still is, there's one of the C-9B
>>> sitting at its usual parking spot on the ramp.
>>>
>>> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=havelock,+nc&ie=UTF8&z=18&ll=34.901128,-76.887823&spn=0.003361,0.006781&t=k&om=1
>>>
>>> This is a picture I took on the ramp in 1981, if I remember correctly.
>>> Been a while. Look at the discussion page for the image, a Marine who
>>> currently
>>> works for VMR-1 saw it and commented on it.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CH46-At-SOES.jpg
>>>
>>> Juan
>>>
>>> "Scott" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>>
>>>>Can you provide a link URL? I searched on the MCAS Cherry Point Website
>>>>with no luck (since I don't know what SOES is...searching with that
>>>>turned
>>>>up a Sony Online Entertainment tribute). Searching with your name only
>>>>turned up 3 hits...all in 2003-2004.
>>>>
>>>>Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Tell you what, if you ever grow balls large enough, go check the
>>>>>records
>>>>>of SOES, circa 1979 through 1981, at MCAS Cherry Point. In fact, check
>>>>>out the records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had
>>>>>just
>>>>>given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just
>>>>>given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time,
>>>>>double-digit midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took
>>>>>them from Cherry Point to the main hospital at Lejeune.
>>>>>
>>>>>Go ahead, putz. I dare ya. But don't worry, I don't hold my breath for
>>>>>all bark, no bite keyboard cowards like you. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
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>

anon

December 31st 06, 06:23 AM

Juan, will you sign a form DA-1800?

Scott[_1_]

December 31st 06, 01:30 PM

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Scott" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>Ask them for what? To verify you were in the MC? That you did your job?
>>Yeah, it was a good thing that you did, no doubt, but it sounds just like
>>any other day in the Air Force.
>
>
> LOL! Yeah, sure, that must be the story. :)

No, REALLY, what the hell do you want anybody to find by reading the
article? Instead of playing games and throwing out teasers, just tell
what it is that you want me to know. I'm not into stupid guessing
games. Spell it out. I read the article from the link you sent. I saw
you're name in print. BFD! Is that the only time you were ever in print?

>
>
>>I was in the Air Force and stationed at Keesler (Biloxi, MS) during
>>Hurricane Elena in 1985. (Yes, THAT sucked!). Anyhow, after the breeze
>>stopped (broke the wind measuring equipment at 125 MPH, so never did find
>>out how hard it blew), it was found that there was no power on the base
>>and our amateur radio repeater was thus off the air. Officials were
>>relying on it to bridge the gap in communications between Gulfport and
>>Pascagoula. So what did I do? I walked out to the street in front of my
>>dorm, found a wrecked car, lifted the hood and stole the battery. Hand
>>carried it about a half a mile to the radio club building and hooked it up
>>to the repeater and got it on the air (had to do a makeshift repair on the
>>antenna as well). Got a letter of commendation for "rising to the
>>occasion". I can scan a copy if you wish. I don't feel I went above and
>>beyond, but the base CO appreciated it enough to write a letter to our CO.
>>All that for a petty theft ;)
>
>
> So, the battery was your substitute for the kid? Hmm. Weird logic, but what
> the heck, you got your letter.

Here's my logic. I did something to help out and I didn't view it as
any big deal. Now you come off as pompous with the snide attitude. How
do you know that by getting that comm link re-established, that no lives
may have been saved? Hell, even I don't know that. The point is, I
just did what needed to be done. So did you. You think you're a hero.
I don't view myself as a hero. I guess I'm just humble and you're not
(you can look up humility in the dictionary).
>
>
>>So, what exactly is YOUR point about the article?
>
>
> Read the thread. You'll figure it out, sooner or later.

I guess I won't ever get it and you won't just come out and say it.
Makes me think you hope others won't get it and think you're a big hero
for what you must view as the one defining moment in your life. How
about those EMTs? They do everyday what you did once in your entire life.

I started out asking you about this and seriously was interested enough
in what you were trying to say. Now I could give a rat's ass less
because you couch your answers in riddles. One LAST chance to spell out
exactly what your point is...

Scott

>
>
>
>

Scott[_1_]

December 31st 06, 01:37 PM

You're wasting your time. I asked hom the same thing. He gave me a
link to the article. Never would tell me what I was supposed to get
from the article. All I saw was his name in the article saying he did
his job well. Now he's a hero in the Marine Corp. Probably has a
statue at Cherry Point. Right in front of the women's latrine.

Scott

anon wrote:

> Juan, you really see yourself as a hero, don't you?
>
> You performed competently under pressure in the normal course of your job.
> Your failure to perform could have had dire circumstances. I can think of
> dozens of jobs that place people in similar situations as a matter of
> routine, not just once in a career.
>
> I believe your story and find it interesting. That said, I can't see how it
> is career-defining or portrays you as anything other than competent in your
> job. I don't see any heroics or courage and in your telling of the story,
> you don't really paint of picture of building pressure prior to resolution.
>
> Strangely, you ask us to check out Marine records to corroborate your story,
> but you don't really offer any specifics or even tell us what specific
> military records might corroborate your story. You like to throw out
> near-impossible assignments for the class, don't you?
>
> Maybe, you can help.
>
> How were such missions documented and in what detail were they documented?
> What military documents describe these events? Did you receive any
> decorations, letters of appreciation, letters of recognition? Are these
> events described in your fitrep?
>
> "In fact, check out the records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom
> who had just given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she
> had just given
> birth."
>
> Can you be more specific, as far as date?
>
>
> "Then check out the comments of the (at the time, double-digit midget)
> Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took them from Cherry Point to
> the main hospital at Lejeune."
>
> Juan, on what document might we find these comments? If you know where
> these events are documented, why don't you tell us?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Scott[_1_]

December 31st 06, 01:57 PM

>>
>>The story is this: At 9pm I was working night duty in the avionics shop.
>>We were scheduled to go home on standby at about that time and were about
>>to cleanup and turn in our tools when the hanglar claxon went off

Not sure about the MC, but in the Air Force, going on standby meant
things were slow and you didn't pull your entire shift sitting in the
shop...you went back to the dorms or the bowling alley with a pager so
they could get a hold of you if needed.

I checked the obvious things, and nothing, so I
>>turned around to my sidekick, the slowest kid in the shop,

I'm beginning to doubt THAT...

and asked him
>>if they had done anything to do the bird that day. Changed the APU, he
>>said. D-oh. Ok, did you check it when you were done rewiring it? No. No??
>>Did you bother to run it up? No. Why not? I'm not checked out. (It takes a
>>short check and two switches to turn on the APU on an CH-46A... that
>>should give you the picture.)

I'd say he did what was expected of him. It may have been a simple job,
but if he wasn't signed off for that and did it anyway, it would have
shown that he couldn't follow simple instructions and he could have
damaged the equipment and cost us taxpayers more money (which you
obviously don't care about). Yes, it should have been checked out, but
he should have asked you to do it since you were obviously checked out.
Since he appears to have been working on your shift, why was it that
YOU didn't know maintenance had been done to the unit? Were you
sleeping in the box room or blowing the unit commander?

The next day the Vietnam
>>vet crew chief (and senior crew chief in the squadron) told everyone in
>>the squadron I knew my **** down cold and he'd trust me to work on
>>anything with a wire on his bird. I already had the ability to do just
>>that, but that one compliment made my whole year. Doesn't happen very
>>often.

What doesn't happen very often? You do something right or you get
noticed for doing something right? So, you only had one worthwhile
moment in a whole year? With that average, you must have done 3 more
"incredible" things during your stint. Can you provide links for these
as well?

>>
>>Within weeks I got my best eval ever and had my txfr request out of NC
>>approved, to California. The rest is history, and records from that day
>>will verify everything happened exactly as I state here.

If they loved you so much, you would think the CO would deny your
request to keep you around for all the other emergencies that came
up...I don't doubt that's exactly how it happened, but again, what's the
big deal?

>>
>>And yes, both the mom and the child were OK, I just never heard from them
>>again.

After seeing this thread they probably blew their brains out from the
depression of knowing you were somehow minutely involved in their lives.
>>

Dan[_2_]

December 31st 06, 04:20 PM

Scott wrote:
>
>
>
>>>
>>> The story is this: At 9pm I was working night duty in the avionics
>>> shop. We were scheduled to go home on standby at about that time and
>>> were about to cleanup and turn in our tools when the hanglar claxon
>>> went off
>
>
>
> Not sure about the MC, but in the Air Force, going on standby meant
> things were slow and you didn't pull your entire shift sitting in the
> shop...you went back to the dorms or the bowling alley with a pager so
> they could get a hold of you if needed.
>

Then again in the Air Force we had "hangars" instead of "hanglars"
and we'd get called over a radio or land line. We didn't need a klaxon
of that's what yawn meant when he said "claxon."

Pity he never served on Navy boats, he would have been heaved over
the side.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

John Ousterhout

December 31st 06, 04:58 PM

Juan Jimenez wrote:

> Nah, for this I use a grade-school comeback generator on the web.

[SET SHUN JUAN MODE = OFF]

Juan, the evidence is overwhelming that you ARE a grade-school comeback
generator on the web.

[SET SHUN JUAN MODE = ON]

- John Ousterhout -

Maxwell

December 31st 06, 05:14 PM

>
> Pity he never served on Navy boats, he would have been heaved over the
> side.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

IIRC he has told a story in the past, either on this NG or one of the
others, of being throw over board. He claims that's how men like him were
taught how to swim.

Problem is he wasn't smart enough to realize, they weren't trying to teach
him how to swim.

wmbjk

December 31st 06, 06:21 PM

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:24:00 -0500, "anon" > wrote:

>Here is Juan looking silly in a fight suit.
>
>http://www.bd5.com/videos/ntd-bd5j.wmv

A flight suit?! One would think that a guy selling a static display
should be dressed in a leisure suit with white shoes and belt. He
should probably snap this up http://tinyurl.com/wzds9 in case they ask
him to appear on a show about Tang. It's all too funny, and reminds me
of this http://youtube.com/watch?v=mPYjqtqiw-g.

Wayne

Scott[_1_]

December 31st 06, 07:48 PM

One other thing I'd like to ask.

Who signed to aircraft log, returning the aircraft to service after
replacing the APU? That person should have been spanked for not testing
in accordance with tech data I'm sure was in place concerning
maintenance for that aircraft. The (avionics) shop chief (probably the
highest ranking NCO in your unit) should have lost a stripe for allowing
that to happen in the first place. You should have had your balls
flattened out in a vice because....well, just because.

I was authorized to sign equipment serviceable tags (yellow tags) and
sign off the aircraft for return to service (from the avionics
standpoint) as an E-3. I was also our midnight shift supervisor as an
E-3. How many did I supervise? One (me). Bottom line is I was able to
work alone, so I assume my shop chief had faith in my abilities.
[sarcasm mode on] Am I a hero? You betcha, cause I did my friggin'
job. [Sarcasm mode off].

Scott
USAF 513th Avionics Maintenance Squadron (which no longer exists)

Dan[_2_]

December 31st 06, 09:46 PM

Maxwell wrote:
>> Pity he never served on Navy boats, he would have been heaved over the
>> side.
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> IIRC he has told a story in the past, either on this NG or one of the
> others, of being throw over board. He claims that's how men like him were
> taught how to swim.
>
> Problem is he wasn't smart enough to realize, they weren't trying to teach
> him how to swim.
>
>
I don't know about other Navy boats but I have some time at sea on
helicopter assault boats like the Okinawa when I was in AF special ops.
I saw lots of places where someone like him could fall overboard.
Perhaps that's why he never went to sea.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Steve Foley[_2_]

December 31st 06, 10:47 PM

That's one way to get me to look. :)

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "anon" > wrote in message
> m...
>> Here is Juan looking silly in a fight suit.
>>
>> http://www.bd5.com/videos/ntd-bd5j.wmv
>
>
> Would it be inappropriate to comment on all the fake boobs in that video?
>

BobR

January 1st 07, 01:24 AM

I counted at least THREE!

Kyle Boatright wrote:
> "anon" > wrote in message
> m...
> > Here is Juan looking silly in a fight suit.
> >
> > http://www.bd5.com/videos/ntd-bd5j.wmv
>
>
> Would it be inappropriate to comment on all the fake boobs in that video?

Peter Dohm

January 1st 07, 01:35 AM

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "anon" > wrote in message
> m...
> > Here is Juan looking silly in a fight suit.
> >
> > http://www.bd5.com/videos/ntd-bd5j.wmv
>
>
> Would it be inappropriate to comment on all the fake boobs in that video?
>
>
Feel free. They were a major component in who looked the silliest of all!

Peter Dohm

January 1st 07, 01:39 AM

"wmbjk" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:24:00 -0500, "anon" > wrote:
>
> >Here is Juan looking silly in a fight suit.
> >
> >http://www.bd5.com/videos/ntd-bd5j.wmv
>
> A flight suit?! One would think that a guy selling a static display
> should be dressed in a leisure suit with white shoes and belt. He
> should probably snap this up http://tinyurl.com/wzds9 in case they ask
> him to appear on a show about Tang. It's all too funny, and reminds me
> of this http://youtube.com/watch?v=mPYjqtqiw-g.
>
> Wayne

I don't understand enough Spanish to comment on the BD5 clip, but the
youtube clip is truly outstanding--Desi Arnaz couldn't have done it better!

Peter

Dan[_2_]

January 1st 07, 03:24 AM

BobR wrote:
> I counted at least THREE!
>
>
> Kyle Boatright wrote:
>> "anon" > wrote in message
>> m...
>>> Here is Juan looking silly in a fight suit.
>>>
>>> http://www.bd5.com/videos/ntd-bd5j.wmv
>>
>> Would it be inappropriate to comment on all the fake boobs in that video?
>

Two on the girl and yawn?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Chris Wells

January 1st 07, 03:08 PM

"anon" wrote in message
m...
Here is Juan looking silly in a fight suit.

http://www.bd5.com/videos/ntd-bd5j.wmv

Would it be inappropriate to comment on all the fake boobs in that video?

Help me out here...I only saw three.

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 1st 07, 05:11 PM

"BobR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Hey dumbass, you made a claim against me now back it up with facts or
> admit to everyone that you are a bald faced liar.

<yank the chain, watch the monkey dance>

Works every time. Eat me, BobbyBoi. :)

<foamingBob snip>

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 1st 07, 05:12 PM

"anon" > wrote in message
m...
> Juan, you really see yourself as a hero, don't you?

Thank you for the kind words, coward.

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 1st 07, 05:13 PM

"anon" > wrote in message
m...
> Didn't the reference to the double-digit midget Vietnam-era crew chief
> sound
> a little awkward? It sounds a little disrespectful to me.

Which only says you know squat about military slang, putz. Ask daddy, he'll
tell you what a double-digit midget is. :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 1st 07, 05:15 PM

"Scott" > wrote in message
.. .
>
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "Scott" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>
>>>Ask them for what? To verify you were in the MC? That you did your job?
>>>Yeah, it was a good thing that you did, no doubt, but it sounds just like
>>>any other day in the Air Force.
>>
>>
>> LOL! Yeah, sure, that must be the story. :)
>
> No, REALLY, what the hell do you want anybody to find by reading the
> article?

What article, Scott? Do you even have a clue what you're talking about? Can
you follow your own trains of thought? Who's on first? :)

> Here's my logic. I did something to help out and I didn't view it as any
> big deal. Now you come off as pompous with the snide attitude.

Which only says you're just another one of those who can't take what you
dish out. You go, boy.

> I guess I won't ever get it

That much is clearly apparent. :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 1st 07, 05:18 PM

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:07:31 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:54:10 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Boy, you really know how to backpedal, eh? LOL! Excuses, as usual. You
>>>>rah
>>>>gagglers are all the same, all bark, no bite. Boring. :)
>>>
>>> Juan, what would the point be?
>>
>>Gee, how about "standing behind what you words"? Over here we call that
>>"backbone." I'm amazed I have to explain that.
>>
>>Or maybe not.
>
> What words, Juan?

These words, kiddo...

> Zoom is well known for his stories of saving people, particularly
> women and children, with his feats of superior skill in adverse
> situations. His "getting shot in the leg while saving an 11 year old
> from rapists in Reno" is a classic.
>
> Yawn is just picking up where his mentor left off.

I dared you to write to the Corps and find out for sure. You tucked tail,
backpedalled and are _still_ coming up with excuses to write off your
blatherings.

Par for the course for ya and the rest of the rahgaggle. All bark, no bite,
all saliva and hot air, no substance. :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 1st 07, 05:23 PM

"John Ousterhout" > wrote in message
news:u_Rlh.198115$aJ.22359@attbi_s21...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
>> Nah, for this I use a grade-school comeback generator on the web.
>
>
> [SET SHUN JUAN MODE = OFF]
>
> Juan, the evidence is overwhelming that you ARE a grade-school comeback
> generator on the web.
>
> [SET SHUN JUAN MODE = ON]

As opposed to what, the master of the Lawn Dart Patrol Squadron? Remember
this?

>> The engine had about four hours running on the test stand and on the
>> aircraft with the tail chained down. Cooling concerns kept the full
>> power runups to a short time. We'll wait for the teardown to determine
>> what actually cause the problem.

It's a very bad idea for a fool like you to throw stones from inside a glass
house. :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 1st 07, 05:25 PM

"anon" > wrote in message
m...
> Here is Juan looking silly in a fight suit.
>
> http://www.bd5.com/videos/ntd-bd5j.wmv

As opposed to you looking like a coward day in and day out? <chuckle>

See, the difference between you and me is that I _earned_ the right to wear
that flight suit. Have you told your daddy you are afraid to use the name he
gave you in public? :)

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anon

January 1st 07, 06:00 PM

"anon" > wrote in message
...
> Juan, will you sign a form DA-1800?

Juan, I see you skipped over this question and answered all the other
threads first. Not a surprise. You are the coward. You will not sign a
DA-1800, despite the fact that you want everybody to examine your glorious
military career.

anon

January 1st 07, 06:26 PM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
...
> See, the difference between you and me is that I _earned_ the right to
> wear that flight suit. Have you told your daddy you are afraid to use the
> name he gave you in public? :)

Juan, even during your service, where and when you could wear your flight
suit was limited.

So, you are telling us what was inappropriate during your service is now
appropriate following your discharge. Even if you were an active duty
Marine pilot, wearing a flight suit as you did would have been
inappropriate.

You chose to mention my father. My father would join many others in this
forum in pointing out that wearing a military flight suit, adorned with unit
and other military patches, in this manner is inappropriate.

You call me a coward, but I doubt you will sign a DA-1800. If you wan't to
know who I am, ask Jim about his Pilot magazine ordeal. He probably still
has my phone number.

anon

January 1st 07, 06:38 PM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
...
> Which only says you know squat about military slang, putz. Ask daddy,
> he'll tell you what a double-digit midget is. :)

Sign a DA-1800, coward.

BobR

January 1st 07, 06:42 PM

Good old Jaun, tells a lie about someone, gets called on it and then
thinks he has done something special by running off at the mouth. You
can't produce any facts to back up anything you say including your
phoney story about how you played the Lone Ranger and did your job for
once in your life.

By the way Jaun....were you voted the class clown in school? or class
moron?

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "BobR" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > Hey dumbass, you made a claim against me now back it up with facts or
> > admit to everyone that you are a bald faced liar.
>
> <yank the chain, watch the monkey dance>
>
> Works every time. Eat me, BobbyBoi. :)
>
> <foamingBob snip>
>
>
>
> --
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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 1st 07, 06:48 PM

"anon" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Which only says you know squat about military slang, putz. Ask daddy,
>> he'll tell you what a double-digit midget is. :)
>
> Sign a DA-1800, coward.

Looking in the mirror? :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 1st 07, 06:52 PM

<chuckle> Yeah, sure, whatever you say, BobbyBoi. As usual, you just can't
handle it when you're forcefed your own "crapola".

BTW, I found a video that unequivocably depicts the nature of my
interactions with you, BobbyBoi. You're the one dressed mostly in black with
the leather collar and the fine tag. Enjoy. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqFCYGVUegA

"BobR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Good old Jaun, tells a lie about someone, gets called on it and then
> thinks he has done something special by running off at the mouth. You
> can't produce any facts to back up anything you say including your
> phoney story about how you played the Lone Ranger and did your job for
> once in your life.
>
> By the way Jaun....were you voted the class clown in school? or class
> moron?
>
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "BobR" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> > Hey dumbass, you made a claim against me now back it up with facts or
>> > admit to everyone that you are a bald faced liar.
>>
>> <yank the chain, watch the monkey dance>
>>
>> Works every time. Eat me, BobbyBoi. :)
>>
>> <foamingBob snip>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 1st 07, 06:54 PM

"anon" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "anon" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Juan, will you sign a form DA-1800?
>
> Juan, I see you skipped over this question and answered all the other
> threads first. Not a surprise. You are the coward. You will not sign a
> DA-1800, despite the fact that you want everybody to examine your glorious
> military career.

.....sez the dip**** who won't even use his own name on Usenet posts because
the mere thought of people finding out who he is causes uncontrollable panty
trembling.

Come back when mama gives you more quarters, kiddo.

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 1st 07, 06:57 PM

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 13:18:20 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:07:31 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
>>> wrote:
>
>>These words, kiddo...
>>
>>> Zoom is well known for his stories of saving people, particularly
>>> women and children, with his feats of superior skill in adverse
>>> situations. His "getting shot in the leg while saving an 11 year old
>>> from rapists in Reno" is a classic.
>
> Ok, so you're saying Zoom ISN'T well known for his stories of saving
> people, particularly women and children, with feats of superior skill
> in adverse situations?
>>>
>>> Yawn is just picking up where his mentor left off.
>
> And you're saying your story WASN'T about saving people, particularly
> women and children, with feats of superior skill in adverse
> situations? I thought that's what your story was. If it wasn't, then
> what was your point?
>
>>I dared you to write to the Corps and find out for sure. You tucked tail,
>>backpedalled and are _still_ coming up with excuses to write off your
>>blatherings.
>>
>
> Juan, why should I waste the Corp's time? Do you really have so
> little respect for their mission that you'd rather they get bogged
> down by someone from a different branch of the service, inquiring
> about a momentary incident that was part of a brief, very normal
> mission 25 years ago that resulted in no injuries, damage, changes in
> proceedure, promotion, award, punishment or notice by the media?
>
> Juan, you've spent YEARS showing the world what you are. Who you
> support. Who you oppose. What you'll say, what you'll do, and for
> what compensation.
>
> We believe you. You've succeded. You've made your reputation.
>
> If you want it to change, you're going to have to do it yourself. I'm
> not going to change it for you. :)

More excuses, Riley? Need I repeat the nature of excuses and their
relationship to anuses? You're worse than a greased squealing piglet. If you
don't have the simple balls to take up a simple dare in response to your
mouth writing checks you ego can't cash, and can only respond with myriad
excuses, just admit it and shuffle on back to the playground. --> Thataway.

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 1st 07, 07:03 PM

"anon" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> ...
>> See, the difference between you and me is that I _earned_ the right to
>> wear that flight suit. Have you told your daddy you are afraid to use the
>> name he gave you in public? :)
>
> Juan, even during your service, where and when you could wear your flight
> suit was limited.

As with everyone else who earned the right, putz. You still trying to preach
about things of which you know squat? :)

> You chose to mention my father. My father would join many others in this
> forum in pointing out that wearing a military flight suit, adorned with
> unit and other military patches, in this manner is inappropriate.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! That particular flight suit doesn't have any "unit and
military patches," you ignorant nimrod! LMAO! *8)

Come back when mama gives you more quarters! LOL! :)

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anon

January 1st 07, 07:24 PM

Juan, you wanted us to check out your military service, so why don't you
sign a DA-1800?

When I contact the NIS, and advise them that you might be wearing military
uniforms or parts of military uniforms that you are no longer authorized to
wear, I certainly will give them my name.

The funny thing is, many of the regulars know exactly who I am. Why do you
care who I am? Unlike you, I don't feel any great imperative to share my
life with strangers.

Juan, you have invited public scrutiny of your military career. Have you
forgotten that? I am making no claims about my life, career, or aviation
expertise that calls for qualification.

anon

January 1st 07, 07:31 PM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
...
> HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! That particular flight suit doesn't have any "unit and
> military patches," you ignorant nimrod! LMAO! *8)

Actually, it doesn't appear that unit and military patches are an issue.

You appear to be wearing a flight suit or aviation coverall that the Marines
consider a utility uniform. You are not authorized to wear any part of a
military uniform in such a manner.

If the Marines think its OK, it's OK with me. I'll let the professionals
make that determination.

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 1st 07, 07:38 PM

"anon" > wrote in message
m...
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> ...
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! That particular flight suit doesn't have any "unit and
>> military patches," you ignorant nimrod! LMAO! *8)
>
> Actually, it doesn't appear that unit and military patches are an issue.

You think, coward? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

> You appear to be wearing a flight suit or aviation coverall that the
> Marines consider a utility uniform. You are not authorized to wear any
> part of a military uniform in such a manner.
>
> If the Marines think its OK, it's OK with me. I'll let the professionals
> make that determination.

LOL! Does your father know you're the best clown in RAH? LMAO! Your
backpedalling act is HILARIOUS! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! :)

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anon

January 1st 07, 08:11 PM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
...
> LOL! Does your father know you're the best clown in RAH? LMAO! Your
> backpedalling act is HILARIOUS! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! :)

I'm not sure my father is aware of my clownish activities. However, do you
think that I'm viewed as the "best clown"? Do you have special
qualifications to make such a claim? I will defer to your knowledge of
things, clownish.

On the other hand, everyone is now aware that you weren't sincere in your
demands that we research your military service. Will you sign a
DA-1800????? You are the one that is back-pedaling.

I have contacted the IGMC and provided details regarding your unauthorized
use of Marine uniforms.

Scott[_1_]

January 1st 07, 08:32 PM

You originally sent an email to this group telling us all to search for
SOES (circa 1979-1981 or some time close to that) on the Cherry Point
website. I did that, didn't find the article you referred to, asked
you, you checked and gave me a good link to the story and I read it.
So, back to my question (again)...what EXACTLY was it you wanted us to
see (besides a story that gives YOU a warm, fuzzy feeling)??? As for me
not being able to take what I dish out, I don't get that either. What
did I dish out to you? I just asked what you wanted me to
(specifically) get from the above mentioned article. I got what
transpired, I just wondered what was so extraordinary in there. I read
stuff like this in the paper everyday (people helping people). And, in
this case, it looks like you were a cog in the wheel. Did you help to
stop the woman's bleeding? Did you call to get an incubator for the
baby? You fixed a wire so the ship could fly. The pilot flew the bird.
The doctor at the other end saved the waoman and child. Happy ending.
What more is there. I want to hear it from YOU, that's all! Again, I
guess I will NEVER get it and you don't have the common courtesy to give
me what I have repeatedly asked for.

Scott

Juan Jimenez wrote:

> "Scott" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>
>>Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>
>>>"Scott" > wrote in message
.. .
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ask them for what? To verify you were in the MC? That you did your job?
>>>>Yeah, it was a good thing that you did, no doubt, but it sounds just like
>>>>any other day in the Air Force.
>>>
>>>
>>>LOL! Yeah, sure, that must be the story. :)
>>
>>No, REALLY, what the hell do you want anybody to find by reading the
>>article?
>
>
> What article, Scott? Do you even have a clue what you're talking about? Can
> you follow your own trains of thought? Who's on first? :)
>
>
>>Here's my logic. I did something to help out and I didn't view it as any
>>big deal. Now you come off as pompous with the snide attitude.
>
>
> Which only says you're just another one of those who can't take what you
> dish out. You go, boy.
>
>
>>I guess I won't ever get it
>
>
> That much is clearly apparent. :)
>
>
>
>

[email protected]

January 1st 07, 11:59 PM

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "anon" > wrote in message
> m...
> >
> > "anon" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Juan, will you sign a form DA-1800?
> >
> > Juan, I see you skipped over this question and answered all the other
> > threads first. Not a surprise. You are the coward. You will not sign a
> > DA-1800, despite the fact that you want everybody to examine your glorious
> > military career.
>
> ....sez the dip**** who won't even use his own name on Usenet posts because
> the mere thought of people finding out who he is causes uncontrollable panty
> trembling.
>
> Come back when mama gives you more quarters, kiddo.
>
>
>
> --
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I use my correct and full name you asswipe . How about signing that
DA-1800 for me or are you just like your puppeteer a liar and coward.
Again cut your usual crap of name calling and dodging and sign the
DA-1800.

Frank M.Hitlaw,

BobR

January 2nd 07, 01:36 AM

Still avoiding the fact that you are a LIAR and can't prove anything
that you have said about me or your stupid story. Oh by the
way....have you told Jim Campbell or Jim Bede how you feel about people
who actually have declared bankruptcy? After all, both of your heros
have done what you accused me of doing. Now, I am wondering why YOU
left Dallas in such a hurry. Could it possibly be that YOU...naw, I
wouldn't even accuse you...a low life SOB of something like that.

Time to stop avoiding your lies and produce facts or turn tail and
hide. Wait! That is what you have been doing by trying to change the
subject. Too late, you have proven yet again to everyone that you are
a LIAR.

PS: Clearly even the dog thought you were a worthless pile of crap.
You couldn't even force feed it could you?

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> <chuckle> Yeah, sure, whatever you say, BobbyBoi. As usual, you just can't
> handle it when you're forcefed your own "crapola".
>
> BTW, I found a video that unequivocably depicts the nature of my
> interactions with you, BobbyBoi. You're the one dressed mostly in black with
> the leather collar and the fine tag. Enjoy. :)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqFCYGVUegA
>
>
> "BobR" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > Good old Jaun, tells a lie about someone, gets called on it and then
> > thinks he has done something special by running off at the mouth. You
> > can't produce any facts to back up anything you say including your
> > phoney story about how you played the Lone Ranger and did your job for
> > once in your life.
> >
> > By the way Jaun....were you voted the class clown in school? or class
> > moron?
> >
> >
> > Juan Jimenez wrote:
> >> "BobR" > wrote in message
> >> ups.com...
> >> > Hey dumbass, you made a claim against me now back it up with facts or
> >> > admit to everyone that you are a bald faced liar.
> >>
> >> <yank the chain, watch the monkey dance>
> >>
> >> Works every time. Eat me, BobbyBoi. :)
> >>
> >> <foamingBob snip>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
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BobR

January 2nd 07, 01:41 AM

Fear not, Yawn has the RAH Class Clown and RAH Class Moron Titles sewn
up. Nobody else is even in the running!
anon wrote:
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> ...
> > LOL! Does your father know you're the best clown in RAH? LMAO! Your
> > backpedalling act is HILARIOUS! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! :)
>
> I'm not sure my father is aware of my clownish activities. However, do you
> think that I'm viewed as the "best clown"? Do you have special
> qualifications to make such a claim? I will defer to your knowledge of
> things, clownish.
>
> On the other hand, everyone is now aware that you weren't sincere in your
> demands that we research your military service. Will you sign a
> DA-1800????? You are the one that is back-pedaling.
>
> I have contacted the IGMC and provided details regarding your unauthorized
> use of Marine uniforms.

BobR

January 2nd 07, 01:49 AM

GAWD BUT THIS WAS TOO GOOD TO RESIST USING...from your reply to
Riley...

More excuses, Riley? Need I repeat the nature of excuses and their
relationship to anuses? You're worse than a greased squealing piglet.
If you
don't have the simple balls to take up a simple dare in response to
your
mouth writing checks you ego can't cash, and can only respond with
myriad
excuses, just admit it and shuffle on back to the playground. -->
Thataway.

--
Using YOUR OWN WORDS and changing the Riley to JAUN. You accused me of
something that you can't possibly prove now using your own words...no
more excuses...where is your proof?

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> <chuckle> Yeah, sure, whatever you say, BobbyBoi. As usual, you just can't
> handle it when you're forcefed your own "crapola".
>
> BTW, I found a video that unequivocably depicts the nature of my
> interactions with you, BobbyBoi. You're the one dressed mostly in black with
> the leather collar and the fine tag. Enjoy. :)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqFCYGVUegA
>
>
> "BobR" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > Good old Jaun, tells a lie about someone, gets called on it and then
> > thinks he has done something special by running off at the mouth. You
> > can't produce any facts to back up anything you say including your
> > phoney story about how you played the Lone Ranger and did your job for
> > once in your life.
> >
> > By the way Jaun....were you voted the class clown in school? or class
> > moron?
> >
> >
> > Juan Jimenez wrote:
> >> "BobR" > wrote in message
> >> ups.com...
> >> > Hey dumbass, you made a claim against me now back it up with facts or
> >> > admit to everyone that you are a bald faced liar.
> >>
> >> <yank the chain, watch the monkey dance>
> >>
> >> Works every time. Eat me, BobbyBoi. :)
> >>
> >> <foamingBob snip>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
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BobR

January 2nd 07, 01:54 AM

According to Jaun's version, it was a one man show and he was the show.
Everyone else were just bit players. What I found most interesting
about Jaun's account was how he coundn't just recount what he
accomplished but had to try and make everyone else in the story look
stupid.

Scott wrote:
> You originally sent an email to this group telling us all to search for
> SOES (circa 1979-1981 or some time close to that) on the Cherry Point
> website. I did that, didn't find the article you referred to, asked
> you, you checked and gave me a good link to the story and I read it.
> So, back to my question (again)...what EXACTLY was it you wanted us to
> see (besides a story that gives YOU a warm, fuzzy feeling)??? As for me
> not being able to take what I dish out, I don't get that either. What
> did I dish out to you? I just asked what you wanted me to
> (specifically) get from the above mentioned article. I got what
> transpired, I just wondered what was so extraordinary in there. I read
> stuff like this in the paper everyday (people helping people). And, in
> this case, it looks like you were a cog in the wheel. Did you help to
> stop the woman's bleeding? Did you call to get an incubator for the
> baby? You fixed a wire so the ship could fly. The pilot flew the bird.
> The doctor at the other end saved the waoman and child. Happy ending.
> What more is there. I want to hear it from YOU, that's all! Again, I
> guess I will NEVER get it and you don't have the common courtesy to give
> me what I have repeatedly asked for.
>
> Scott
>
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
> > "Scott" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> >
> >>
> >>Juan Jimenez wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Scott" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Ask them for what? To verify you were in the MC? That you did your job?
> >>>>Yeah, it was a good thing that you did, no doubt, but it sounds just like
> >>>>any other day in the Air Force.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>LOL! Yeah, sure, that must be the story. :)
> >>
> >>No, REALLY, what the hell do you want anybody to find by reading the
> >>article?
> >
> >
> > What article, Scott? Do you even have a clue what you're talking about? Can
> > you follow your own trains of thought? Who's on first? :)
> >
> >
> >>Here's my logic. I did something to help out and I didn't view it as any
> >>big deal. Now you come off as pompous with the snide attitude.
> >
> >
> > Which only says you're just another one of those who can't take what you
> > dish out. You go, boy.
> >
> >
> >>I guess I won't ever get it
> >
> >
> > That much is clearly apparent. :)
> >
> >
> >
> >

[email protected]

January 2nd 07, 02:59 AM

Juan Jimenez wrote:

> HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! That particular flight suit doesn't have any "unit and
> military patches," you ignorant nimrod! LMAO! *8)
>

What a poseur

Dan[_2_]

January 2nd 07, 03:30 AM

BobR wrote:
> According to Jaun's version, it was a one man show and he was the show.
> Everyone else were just bit players. What I found most interesting
> about Jaun's account was how he coundn't just recount what he
> accomplished but had to try and make everyone else in the story look
> stupid.
>

The funny part is he doesn't understand he was doing what he was
hired to do.

Our C-130s had outlets for iron lungs. Guess who got called when
someone in an iron lung had to be moved. It wasn't our primary job, but
we did it when called to do so. None of us bragged about it. I don't
even recall how many times it happened. This was in the 1980s in case
anyone actually cares.

Now, enough badmouthing yawn. It's time to say something nice about
him. I will start by saying yawn is very good at two things: he can
always be used as a bad example and he is always good for a laugh.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

BobR

January 2nd 07, 04:24 AM

Dan,

I see you are retired Air Force. What were your dates of service and
were you ever stationed at SAC Headquarters at Offutt AFB? I was
stationed there from 65-69.

I have to love an OPTIMIST like yourself. You seem to always find
something good about everyone including Jaun. Yes, he is good for a
laugh once in a while...in sort of a sadistic way. I can't help but
laugh at how he squirms after he is caught in a big lie.

Dan wrote:
> BobR wrote:
> > According to Jaun's version, it was a one man show and he was the show.
> > Everyone else were just bit players. What I found most interesting
> > about Jaun's account was how he coundn't just recount what he
> > accomplished but had to try and make everyone else in the story look
> > stupid.
> >
>
> The funny part is he doesn't understand he was doing what he was
> hired to do.
>
> Our C-130s had outlets for iron lungs. Guess who got called when
> someone in an iron lung had to be moved. It wasn't our primary job, but
> we did it when called to do so. None of us bragged about it. I don't
> even recall how many times it happened. This was in the 1980s in case
> anyone actually cares.
>
> Now, enough badmouthing yawn. It's time to say something nice about
> him. I will start by saying yawn is very good at two things: he can
> always be used as a bad example and he is always good for a laugh.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan[_2_]

January 2nd 07, 05:11 AM

BobR wrote:
> Dan,
>
> I see you are retired Air Force. What were your dates of service and
> were you ever stationed at SAC Headquarters at Offutt AFB? I was
> stationed there from 65-69.

A few years before my time. I went in in 1974. My headquarters time was
Langley, HQ TAC, 1975 - 1980.

>
> I have to love an OPTIMIST like yourself. You seem to always find
> something good about everyone including Jaun. Yes, he is good for a
> laugh once in a while...in sort of a sadistic way. I can't help but
> laugh at how he squirms after he is caught in a big lie.
>

I thought an optimist was an eye doctor.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Mark Hickey

January 2nd 07, 01:03 PM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote:

>"BobR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> Hey dumbass, you made a claim against me now back it up with facts or
>> admit to everyone that you are a bald faced liar.
>
><yank the chain, watch the monkey dance>
>
>Works every time. Eat me, BobbyBoi. :)
>
><foamingBob snip>

Credibility - it's all about credibility.

Juan claims that Bob had gone bankrupt.

Bob calls him on it, telling him to provide a citation of any type.

Juan responds with his usual BS, proving once again (and again, and
again, and again) that he has zero credibility, that he cares not even
a little about looking like a spineless shill in a public forum.

I suppose the worst thing is that he thinks he's "scoring" when he
posts something like above. OTOH, it is kind of like watching a
well-deserved slow motion train wreck as he squirms under the pressure
of being entirely unable to back up anything he says.

And FWIW, wouldn't claiming (without factual basis) that someone had
filed for bankruptcy be considered libel?

Mark "calls em like I sees em" Hickey

Mark Hickey

January 2nd 07, 01:05 PM

Richard Riley > wrote:

>***RAH SAYS: JUAN IS EXACTLY WHAT HE'S SHOWN US HE IS.***

Exactly.

Mark Hickey

Steve Foley

January 2nd 07, 01:20 PM

"Mark Hickey" > wrote in message
...

> Juan claims that Bob had gone bankrupt.

> And FWIW, wouldn't claiming (without factual basis) that someone had
> filed for bankruptcy be considered libel?

I'm not a lawyer, nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn last night, but I believe
that you must prove you've been injured/damaged/whatever by the libel in
order to collect.

It may be possible to have one's ISP cut off service to TOS violations in
such a case though.

anon

January 2nd 07, 02:07 PM

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:W_smh.683$Am5.405@trndny03...
> I'm not a lawyer, nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn last night, but I
> believe that you must prove you've been injured/damaged/whatever by the
> libel in order to collect.

It would be an interesting twist - Juan's own attorney attempting to prove
that he has no credibilty, thus no damages.

DABEAR

January 2nd 07, 04:51 PM

BobR wrote:>

Re: Juan Jimenez's changing the words of others into attacks of his
own:

Juan: your mouth writing checks you ego can't cash,

You need to add "Plagiarism" and "lack of originality" to that.

The above line is Tom Skerritt's "Viper" to Tom Cruise's "Maverick" in
"Top Gun."

And as for the "squealing like a greased little pig," well, I guess we
all need a "Deliverance" from Hanoi Juan...

Amazing though, how much he looks like Ned Beatty...around the neck.

And this assclown thinks he's a Journalist....

BobR

January 2nd 07, 09:41 PM

In answer to your last question Mark, YES it would if it had come from
anyone with an ounce of credibility. In this case though, it wouldn't
be worth trying to prove that anyone would believe anything that Jaun
said. It just wouldn't be worth the aggravation and I doubt seriously
if Jaun has anything worth going after. Besides, I have lived 60 years
without having to sue anyone or being sued by anyone and I intend to
continue the record.

Mark Hickey wrote:
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote:
>
> >"BobR" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >> Hey dumbass, you made a claim against me now back it up with facts or
> >> admit to everyone that you are a bald faced liar.
> >
> ><yank the chain, watch the monkey dance>
> >
> >Works every time. Eat me, BobbyBoi. :)
> >
> ><foamingBob snip>
>
> Credibility - it's all about credibility.
>
> Juan claims that Bob had gone bankrupt.
>
> Bob calls him on it, telling him to provide a citation of any type.
>
> Juan responds with his usual BS, proving once again (and again, and
> again, and again) that he has zero credibility, that he cares not even
> a little about looking like a spineless shill in a public forum.
>
> I suppose the worst thing is that he thinks he's "scoring" when he
> posts something like above. OTOH, it is kind of like watching a
> well-deserved slow motion train wreck as he squirms under the pressure
> of being entirely unable to back up anything he says.
>
> And FWIW, wouldn't claiming (without factual basis) that someone had
> filed for bankruptcy be considered libel?
>
> Mark "calls em like I sees em" Hickey

anon

January 2nd 07, 10:12 PM

If you were sincere about wanting us to check out your military career, you
would have jumped on the DA-1800 offer.
The fact is, you weren't sincere. You are a coward.

Anthony W

January 3rd 07, 01:11 AM

Steve Foley wrote:

> I'm not a lawyer, nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn last night, but I believe
> that you must prove you've been injured/damaged/whatever by the libel in
> order to collect.
>
> It may be possible to have one's ISP cut off service to TOS violations in
> such a case though.

I once said in a aviation mailing list that it was disreputable at best
to sell plans for a plane that had never flown. The person the comment
was directed at threatened me with a libel suit. My reply was F'off and
die. Funny thing, I never heard from his layer and I still think this
person is a scoundrel. You can speak your mind in public all you want
and unless malice is proven, it's going to be hard to shut anyone up...

Tony

Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 3rd 07, 02:41 PM

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
>
>>More excuses, Riley? Need I repeat the nature of excuses and their
>>relationship to anuses? You're worse than a greased squealing piglet. If
>>you
>>don't have the simple balls to take up a simple dare in response to your
>>mouth writing checks you ego can't cash, and can only respond with myriad
>>excuses, just admit it and shuffle on back to the playground. -->
>>Thataway.
>
> OK, Juan, if you'll sign an DA-1800 and authorize the release of your
> military records to a third party - me - I'll go get copies, scan any
> mention of this flight and post them.

More excuses, one on top of the other.

You don't need anyone to sign a DA-1800 to find out that the squadron had a
medevac mission and took a mom and her preemie to the hospital, or to
inquire about events related to that mission. All you need is to have enough
brain matter to send a FOIA request.

Stop whining. If you don't have the balls, just say so and move on.

--
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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 3rd 07, 02:42 PM

"BobR" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Still avoiding the fact that you are a LIAR and can't prove anything...

Yap, yap, yapping on Juan's door won't do you no good. hypocrit. :)

Didya watch your video? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqFCYGVUegA

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 3rd 07, 02:43 PM

"BobR" > wrote in message
s.com...

<yap, yap, yapping saliva mercy snipped>

Still whining, BobbyBoi?

--
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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 3rd 07, 02:44 PM

"DABEAR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Juan: your mouth writing checks you ego can't cash,

Oh, looky here, they finally got the cherry picker to get this twit out of
the motel room. And it wasn't because of the snow. Did your mom tell you to
write this? :)

--
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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 3rd 07, 02:44 PM

"Mark Hickey" > wrote in message
...
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote:
>
>>"BobR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>>> Hey dumbass, you made a claim against me now back it up with facts or
>>> admit to everyone that you are a bald faced liar.
>>
>><yank the chain, watch the monkey dance>
>>
>>Works every time. Eat me, BobbyBoi. :)
>>
>><foamingBob snip>
>
> Credibility - it's all about credibility.

Yup, the kind rahgagglers will never have. :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 3rd 07, 02:46 PM

"Anthony W" > wrote in message
news:2pDmh.10418$Pr4.3415@trndny06...
> Steve Foley wrote:
>
>> I'm not a lawyer, nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn last night, but I
>> believe that you must prove you've been injured/damaged/whatever by the
>> libel in order to collect.
>>
>> It may be possible to have one's ISP cut off service to TOS violations in
>> such a case though.
>
> I once said in a aviation mailing list that it was disreputable at best to
> sell plans for a plane that had never flown. The person the comment was
> directed at threatened me with a libel suit. My reply was F'off and die.
> Funny thing, I never heard from his layer and I still think this person is
> a scoundrel. You can speak your mind in public all you want and unless
> malice is proven, it's going to be hard to shut anyone up...
>
> Tony

Give the man a cigar. That's why I keep telling people this is great
entertainment. Yank the chain, watch the monkeys dance. :)

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 3rd 07, 02:46 PM

"BobR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> In answer to your last question Mark, YES it would if it had come from
> anyone with an ounce of credibility. In this case though, it wouldn't
> be worth trying to prove that anyone would believe anything that Jaun
> said. It just wouldn't be worth the aggravation and I doubt seriously
> if Jaun has anything worth going after. Besides, I have lived 60 years
> without having to sue anyone or being sued by anyone and I intend to
> continue the record.

Translation: "Yes, I know, nothing I can do about it, he's yanking my chain
and all I can do is whine. <sigh>" :)

--
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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 3rd 07, 02:49 PM

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "anon" > wrote in message
>> m...
>> >
>> > "anon" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> Juan, will you sign a form DA-1800?
>> >
>> > Juan, I see you skipped over this question and answered all the other
>> > threads first. Not a surprise. You are the coward. You will not
>> > sign a
>> > DA-1800, despite the fact that you want everybody to examine your
>> > glorious
>> > military career.
>>
>> ....sez the dip**** who won't even use his own name on Usenet posts
>> because
>> the mere thought of people finding out who he is causes uncontrollable
>> panty
>> trembling.
>>
>> Come back when mama gives you more quarters, kiddo.
>>
> I use my correct and full name you asswipe . How about signing that
> DA-1800 for me or are you just like your puppeteer a liar and coward.
> Again cut your usual crap of name calling and dodging and sign the
> DA-1800.
>
> Frank M.Hitlaw,

HHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! So YOU'RE the anonymous
coward???? LOL!

Oh, this is HILARIOUS! I can't WAIT to see the size of that yellow stripe of
yours, dip****.

And seeing as you can't even RENT a working brain, I'll fill in the facts
for you, boi. You don't need a DA-1800 to inquire about a squadron event.
All you needs is a FOIA request. Should I spell it out or should I mail you
an iron-on transfer so you can tattoo it to your gut? :)

LMAO! "anon" indeed. I should have known! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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Juan Jimenez[_1_]

January 3rd 07, 02:50 PM

"anon" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> ...
>> LOL! Does your father know you're the best clown in RAH? LMAO! Your
>> backpedalling act is HILARIOUS! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! :)
>
> I have contacted the IGMC and provided details regarding your unauthorized
> use of Marine uniforms.

Did you send them a picture of your daddy too? :)

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BobR

January 3rd 07, 03:20 PM

Well, well, aren't you just the special one? You finally admit in a
round about way that you are nothing more than a attention seeking liar
and pat yourself on the back because you got me to respond to you.

Congratulations...You have just proved beyond any doubt what an stupid
childish liar you really are. If that is what you consider a
victory...you WON! And, while you grin :) and chuckle at your own
supposed joke don't think that all the other laughter you hear is from
those laughing with you...THEY ARE LAUGHING AT YOU! So am I.

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "BobR" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > In answer to your last question Mark, YES it would if it had come from
> > anyone with an ounce of credibility. In this case though, it wouldn't
> > be worth trying to prove that anyone would believe anything that Jaun
> > said. It just wouldn't be worth the aggravation and I doubt seriously
> > if Jaun has anything worth going after. Besides, I have lived 60 years
> > without having to sue anyone or being sued by anyone and I intend to
> > continue the record.
>
> Translation: "Yes, I know, nothing I can do about it, he's yanking my chain
> and all I can do is whine. <sigh>" :)
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

[email protected]

January 3rd 07, 06:23 PM

Steve Foley wrote:
> "Mark Hickey" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Juan claims that Bob had gone bankrupt.
>
> > And FWIW, wouldn't claiming (without factual basis) that someone had
> > filed for bankruptcy be considered libel?
>
> I'm not a lawyer, nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn last night, but I believe
> that you must prove you've been injured/damaged/whatever by the libel in
> order to collect.

Here in the US, actual harm of some sort is an element
of the torts. In the UK there are several differences among
them the concept that a defamatory statement can be
so hideous as to be inherently harmful enough to warrant
legal action.

--

FF

Montblack

January 3rd 07, 06:49 PM

("Juan Jimenez" wrote)
> Yap, yap, yapping on Juan's door won't do you no good. hypocrit. :)

Well, this thread has sure taken an ugly turn.

JJ has begun referring to himself in the third person.

No-one's frightened of playing it
Ev'ryone's saying it,
Flowing more freely than wine,
All thru' your life I me mine.

- George Harrison
Let It Be (1970)

Montblack
And now for something completely... [Japanese] :-)
http://www.buzznet.com/tags/polysics/video/
"I My Me Mine" <click to play>

BobR

January 3rd 07, 07:10 PM

Clearly, Jaun thinks its both clever and funny to post lies about
people in order to "Yank their Chain". The fact that those lies might
be harmful to them in some way never enters his mind or if it does, he
simply doesn't care. Look at some of the lies he has made up about
Chuck for a clear example. He clearly knows they are lies but repeats
them over and over again just to get a response from Chuck. That is
SICK by any definition. Jaun is the little asshole kid that used to
poke the stick through the fence to torment the neighbors dogs. One
can only hope that some day he will torment a pit-bull who will come
over the fence and tear his heart out (figuratively speaking for sure
<BG>).

wrote:
> Steve Foley wrote:
> > "Mark Hickey" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > > Juan claims that Bob had gone bankrupt.
> >
> > > And FWIW, wouldn't claiming (without factual basis) that someone had
> > > filed for bankruptcy be considered libel?
> >
> > I'm not a lawyer, nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn last night, but I believe
> > that you must prove you've been injured/damaged/whatever by the libel in
> > order to collect.
>
> Here in the US, actual harm of some sort is an element
> of the torts. In the UK there are several differences among
> them the concept that a defamatory statement can be
> so hideous as to be inherently harmful enough to warrant
> legal action.
>
> --
>
> FF

anon

January 3rd 07, 08:15 PM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
...
> You don't need anyone to sign a DA-1800 to find out that the squadron had
> a medevac mission and took a mom and her preemie to the hospital, or to
> inquire about events related to that mission. All you need is to have
> enough brain matter to send a FOIA request.

When it comes to personnel records, FOIA records are very limited. Did you
want us to take a look at your military career, or did you just want us to
find evidence of this one, rather routine, career-definin event?

You are very specific in your demand that we look at someone's comments.
What document were you referring to?

Why don't you help us out in our efforts. Coward.

anon

January 3rd 07, 08:25 PM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
...
> And seeing as you can't even RENT a working brain, I'll fill in the facts
> for you, boi. You don't need a DA-1800 to inquire about a squadron event.
> All you needs is a FOIA request. Should I spell it out or should I mail
> you an iron-on transfer so you can tattoo it to your gut? :)

FOIA request if almost meaningless unless you can suggest what documents
might contain the information you are looking for.

You are a ****ing idiot and a coward. Sign the DA-1800, coward. We want
to know about your military career that you have invited us to examine.
You are more concerned with who I am than with the content of my posts.
What if I was a coward? Does that make your cowardice less significant?

Sign a DA-1800, you stupid cowardly ****. Not only do I know you won't, I
know that you would never seriously consider it.

Sign the DA-1800, it will give us access to all the records that might be
required to substantiate your claims. You won't sign it and you won't tell
us what specific document describes this event.

I'm not saying you are a liar, but you are certainly a coward.

anon

January 3rd 07, 08:32 PM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
...
> Did you send them a picture of your daddy too? :)

I will tell you something about my father. He told me that given time,
everyone's true character will be revealed. Your character is well
established.

Juan, you make an issue of my anonymity. I ask you this question. How is
it that an anonymous poster on RAH gets more respect from his audience than
a former Marine? Ask yourself. You are a clown.

anon

January 3rd 07, 08:45 PM

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
> Another yellow-stripe coward. Get outta my face, boi.

You don't know me, Juan. There is a chance that I am a coward. My life
experiences might suggest otherwise, but it's possible. It's possible that
I'm a convicted felon that beats up the elderly for their welfare checks.

But that has nothing to do with this thread. Unlike me, you decided to
tell us about your glorious career as a US Marine. That was your choice,
not mine. You didn't just make claims about your career, you categorized us
as cowards for refusing to take the trouble to research your claims.

Unlike the cowards you accused us of being, we are willing to research your
military career. Sign the DA-1800. Or, do you just want us to take what
you say at face value because of your credibility.

[email protected]

January 3rd 07, 09:15 PM

anon wrote:
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Another yellow-stripe coward. Get outta my face, boi.
>
>
> You don't know me, Juan. There is a chance that I am a coward. My life
> experiences might suggest otherwise, but it's possible. It's possible that
> I'm a convicted felon that beats up the elderly for their welfare checks.
>
> But that has nothing to do with this thread. Unlike me, you decided to
> tell us about your glorious career as a US Marine. That was your choice,
> not mine. You didn't just make claims about your career, you categorized us
> as cowards for refusing to take the trouble to research your claims.
>
> Unlike the cowards you accused us of being, we are willing to research your
> military career. Sign the DA-1800. Or, do you just want us to take what
> you say at face value because of your credibility.

You would think that this ass wipe having performed such a heroic
deed would have at least have been awarded a letter of commendation
from his C O . Maybe he should post that for us to see, that is if it
exist.

Frank M.Hitlaw

Scott[_1_]

January 3rd 07, 09:43 PM

I asked him what I was supposed to get out of the article on the Cherry
Point website and he just basically called me stupid for "not getting
it" and said I probably never would. Well, he was right about that...I
DON'T get what is so f***ing important about it. I read it (after he
gave me a good link to the article). All I saw was a mention that he
fixed an APU wire. So, his job title was obviously APU Fixer Upper. I
still don't get why he challenged to rah group to "look at the article
if we have the balls." Huh? What amount of balls does it take to read
the article? He just quit answering my several pleas asking just WHAT I
was supposed to take away from the table by reading the article, so I
guess it just isn't important enough for him to waste his time telling
me what was so important about what he did. I fixed MANY wires in my
illustrious 3 year and 2 month career in the USAF. To save Juanita the
trouble of asking why I didn't do the full 4 years, here it is.
Graham-Rudmann, circa 1988. Look it up.

Scott

anon wrote:
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>You don't need anyone to sign a DA-1800 to find out that the squadron had
>>a medevac mission and took a mom and her preemie to the hospital, or to
>>inquire about events related to that mission. All you need is to have
>>enough brain matter to send a FOIA request.
>
>
> When it comes to personnel records, FOIA records are very limited. Did you
> want us to take a look at your military career, or did you just want us to
> find evidence of this one, rather routine, career-definin event?
>
> You are very specific in your demand that we look at someone's comments.
> What document were you referring to?
>
> Why don't you help us out in our efforts. Coward.
>
>

Scott[_1_]

January 3rd 07, 11:05 PM

Wait a minute...could this be hero? The job description sounds like it
might fit...

http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=JIMENEZ%2C+JUAN+CARLOS&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3De 4c07e7c23c5739f%26clickedItemRank%3D7%26userQuery% 3DJIMENEZ%252C%2BJUAN%2BCARLOS%26clickedItemURN%3D http%253A%252F%252Fimdb.com%252FName%253FJimenez%2 52C%252BJuan%252BCarlos%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPToolbarNS%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fimdb.com%2FName%253FJimene z%2C%252BJuan%252BCarlos

Scott wrote:

> I asked him what I was supposed to get out of the article on the Cherry
> Point website and he just basically called me stupid for "not getting
> it" and said I probably never would. Well, he was right about that...I
> DON'T get what is so f***ing important about it. I read it (after he
> gave me a good link to the article). All I saw was a mention that he
> fixed an APU wire. So, his job title was obviously APU Fixer Upper. I
> still don't get why he challenged to rah group to "look at the article
> if we have the balls." Huh? What amount of balls does it take to read
> the article? He just quit answering my several pleas asking just WHAT I
> was supposed to take away from the table by reading the article, so I
> guess it just isn't important enough for him to waste his time telling
> me what was so important about what he did. I fixed MANY wires in my
> illustrious 3 year and 2 month career in the USAF. To save Juanita the
> trouble of asking why I didn't do the full 4 years, here it is.
> Graham-Rudmann, circa 1988. Look it up.
>
> Scott
>
> anon wrote:
>
>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> You don't need anyone to sign a DA-1800 to find out that the squadron
>>> had a medevac mission and took a mom and her preemie to the hospital,
>>> or to inquire about events related to that mission. All you need is
>>> to have enough brain matter to send a FOIA request.
>>
>>
>>
>> When it comes to personnel records, FOIA records are very limited.
>> Did you want us to take a look at your military career, or did you
>> just want us to find evidence of this one, rather routine,
>> career-definin event?
>>
>> You are very specific in your demand that we look at someone's
>> comments. What document were you referring to?
>>
>> Why don't you help us out in our efforts. Coward.
>>

Scott[_1_]

January 3rd 07, 11:10 PM

La Mona Jiménez
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Juan Carlos Jiménez Rufino (born January 11, 1951), known as La Mona
Jiménez) is arguably the most popular cuarteto singer that has ever
lived. He was born in Córdoba, Argentina.

When he was a child, Jiménez used to play Tarzan with other kids. His
parents often told him he resembled Tarzan's chimpanzee companion
Cheeta. This is allegedly how he got the nickname La Mona ("the [female]
monkey").

He started singing with Cuarteto Berna when he was 15 years old after
winning a contest among 40 other singers. With this group he recorded
five albums.

His first hit was La flaca Marta ("Skinny Marta") from the album Para
toda América ("For All America"), released in 1984. His success allowed
him to buy three brand-new cars and a house in the barrio of Cerro de
Las Rosas, and to pay off a mortgage.

In 40 years of musical career Jiménez has recorded more than 73 CDs and
sold more than 3 million copies all over Argentina. His 62nd CD, titled
Beso a beso con La Mona ("From kiss to kiss with La Mona") sold more
than one hundred thousand copies just in Córdoba.

In 2005, the he received the Konex Award for best Cuarteto solist/band
of the 1995-2005 decade.

Scott wrote:

> Wait a minute...could this be hero? The job description sounds like it
> might fit...
>
>
> http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=JIMENEZ%2C+JUAN+CARLOS&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3De 4c07e7c23c5739f%26clickedItemRank%3D7%26userQuery% 3DJIMENEZ%252C%2BJUAN%2BCARLOS%26clickedItemURN%3D http%253A%252F%252Fimdb.com%252FName%253FJimenez%2 52C%252BJuan%252BCarlos%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPToolbarNS%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fimdb.com%2FName%253FJimene z%2C%252BJuan%252BCarlos
>
>
>
>
> Scott wrote:
>
>> I asked him what I was supposed to get out of the article on the
>> Cherry Point website and he just basically called me stupid for "not
>> getting it" and said I probably never would. Well, he was right about
>> that...I DON'T get what is so f***ing important about it. I read it
>> (after he gave me a good link to the article). All I saw was a
>> mention that he fixed an APU wire. So, his job title was obviously
>> APU Fixer Upper. I still don't get why he challenged to rah group to
>> "look at the article if we have the balls." Huh? What amount of
>> balls does it take to read the article? He just quit answering my
>> several pleas asking just WHAT I was supposed to take away from the
>> table by reading the article, so I guess it just isn't important
>> enough for him to waste his time telling me what was so important
>> about what he did. I fixed MANY wires in my illustrious 3 year and 2
>> month career in the USAF. To save Juanita the trouble of asking why I
>> didn't do the full 4 years, here it is. Graham-Rudmann, circa 1988.
>> Look it up.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> anon wrote:
>>
>>> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> You don't need anyone to sign a DA-1800 to find out that the
>>>> squadron had a medevac mission and took a mom and her preemie to the
>>>> hospital, or to inquire about events related to that mission. All
>>>> you need is to have enough brain matter to send a FOIA request.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When it comes to personnel records, FOIA records are very limited.
>>> Did you want us to take a look at your military career, or did you
>>> just want us to find evidence of this one, rather routine,
>>> career-definin event?
>>>
>>> You are very specific in your demand that we look at someone's
>>> comments. What document were you referring to?
>>>
>>> Why don't you help us out in our efforts. Coward.
>>>