Diamond DA50...

[Dan[_1_]]

Anyone have any more info than what is listed here:

http://www.diamond-air.at/news_detail+M57c0ccd84aa.html

This looks to be an interesting aircraft, especially if they power it
with a 300-350hp Jet A Diesel.... sign me up.

--Dan

[Darkwing]

"Dan" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Anyone have any more info than what is listed here:
>
> http://www.diamond-air.at/news_detail+M57c0ccd84aa.html
>
> This looks to be an interesting aircraft, especially if they power it
> with a 300-350hp Jet A Diesel.... sign me up.
>
> --Dan
>

Sweet! Diamond makes some cool stuff that I can't afford! All I heard was
they were working on a 5 seater to go against Cirrus and Lancair, surprised
to see it make the light of day so quickly, I only read about it a couple
weeks ago. A Twinstar would be awesome though!

-----------------------------------
DW

[Dan[_1_]]

If it's powerd by the Theilart engine with FADEC, it could be shared in
a club or other "shared ownership" arrangement without worrying about
how people might be "mishandling" the engine. In our club, the
maintenance folks are scared to death of a turbo for just that
reason...

--Dan

Darkwing wrote:
> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > Anyone have any more info than what is listed here:
> >
> > http://www.diamond-air.at/news_detail+M57c0ccd84aa.html
> >
> > This looks to be an interesting aircraft, especially if they power it
> > with a 300-350hp Jet A Diesel.... sign me up.
> >
> > --Dan
> >
>
> Sweet! Diamond makes some cool stuff that I can't afford! All I heard was
> they were working on a 5 seater to go against Cirrus and Lancair, surprised
> to see it make the light of day so quickly, I only read about it a couple
> weeks ago. A Twinstar would be awesome though!
>
> -----------------------------------
> DW

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Dan" > said:
>If it's powerd by the Theilart engine with FADEC, it could be shared in
>a club or other "shared ownership" arrangement without worrying about
>how people might be "mishandling" the engine. In our club, the
>maintenance folks are scared to death of a turbo for just that
>reason...

Good luck getting insurance on a glass panel plane in a club, though.
They'd probably require everyone in the club to go to Flight Safety once a
year for a refresher.

--
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"He passed away during an important civic function held in his honor when the
platform upon which he was standing collapsed." "I thought he was hanged?"
"That's what I said, isn't it?"

[Dan[_1_]]

G1000 planes are avaliable for rent, so I don't think this would really
be an issue..

--Dan


Paul Tomblin wrote:
> In a previous article, "Dan" > said:
> >If it's powerd by the Theilart engine with FADEC, it could be shared in
> >a club or other "shared ownership" arrangement without worrying about
> >how people might be "mishandling" the engine. In our club, the
> >maintenance folks are scared to death of a turbo for just that
> >reason...
>
> Good luck getting insurance on a glass panel plane in a club, though.
> They'd probably require everyone in the club to go to Flight Safety once a
> year for a refresher.
>
> --
> Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
> "He passed away during an important civic function held in his honor when the
> platform upon which he was standing collapsed." "I thought he was hanged?"
> "That's what I said, isn't it?"

[Darkwing]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> In a previous article, "Dan" > said:
>>If it's powerd by the Theilart engine with FADEC, it could be shared in
>>a club or other "shared ownership" arrangement without worrying about
>>how people might be "mishandling" the engine. In our club, the
>>maintenance folks are scared to death of a turbo for just that
>>reason...
>
> Good luck getting insurance on a glass panel plane in a club, though.
> They'd probably require everyone in the club to go to Flight Safety once a
> year for a refresher.
>
> --
> Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/


My local FBO has brand new G-1000 C172's and C182's for rent. I have not
coughed up the dough to get signed off in the G1000's but I plan on it
sometime in 07'. Just bought a new house about a year ago so my flying $$$$
has really taken a hit.

----------------------------
DW

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Dan" > said:
>G1000 planes are avaliable for rent, so I don't think this would really
>be an issue..

Renting seems to be different than clubs, for some reason. Local FBOs
have twins for rent, but when we asked Avemco they said no way in hell
would they insure one in a club. And our club, like every other club
we've talked to, has had real problems with our complex single six seater.
Last year, at first they said they wouldn't insurce the Lance at all, but
then reluctantly allowed us to insure it on a named-pilot policy, with
only 8 members of the club allowed to fly it. Needless to say, the rest
of the club doesn't like this much. And the people on the Lance list have
to take a ground refresher course on the gear and prop systems every year.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
I think I have a new personal rule: Never watch anything which includes
the author's name in the title, particularly if the author is dead.
-- Andrew Dalgleish

[Thomas Borchert]

Paul,

> Good luck getting insurance on a glass panel plane in a club, though.
>

Those planes are available in clubs and for rent pretty much
everywhere.

Different story for Cirrus, maybe. As one FBO owner told me: Try being
a Cessna pilot center and adding a Cirrus to your inventory. Won't
work. A Diamond Star (which I rented) was ok to the friendly people
from Big Brand C. Nothing like a little quasi-monopoly...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[John Clear]

In article >,
Paul Tomblin > wrote:
>In a previous article, "Dan" > said:
>>G1000 planes are avaliable for rent, so I don't think this would really
>>be an issue..
>
>Renting seems to be different than clubs, for some reason. Local FBOs
>have twins for rent, but when we asked Avemco they said no way in hell
>would they insure one in a club. And our club, like every other club
>we've talked to, has had real problems with our complex single six seater.
>Last year, at first they said they wouldn't insurce the Lance at all, but
>then reluctantly allowed us to insure it on a named-pilot policy, with
>only 8 members of the club allowed to fly it. Needless to say, the rest
>of the club doesn't like this much. And the people on the Lance list have
>to take a ground refresher course on the gear and prop systems every year.

It might be due to its size, or the fact that the planes are on
lease back and not actually owned by the club, but West Valley
Flying Club has two G-1000 182s, as well as seven glass panel
Cirrus. On the six seat side, there is a Turbo Stationair, and
three Sartogas, including one with Avidyne glass. As for twins,
they seem to rotate through the club pretty frequently, so I don't
keep track of them that closely. Currently, a Twin Comanche and
two Diamond Twinstars with G-1000s are listed as being available.

The glass costs too much to rent, so I haven't flown any of them yet.

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

[Dylan Smith]

On 2006-12-23, Paul Tomblin > wrote:
> would they insure one in a club. And our club, like every other club
> we've talked to, has had real problems with our complex single six seater.

We had problems a few years ago in BAAC when we got a C210.

The owner (it was on leaseback) took the two back seats out, and it was
no problem to insure it as a 4-seater.

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[Kingfish]

Dylan Smith wrote:
> We had problems a few years ago in BAAC when we got a C210.
>
> The owner (it was on leaseback) took the two back seats out, and it was
> no problem to insure it as a 4-seater.

Insurability for 210s seems to be harder to come by than for comparable
Pipers (Saratoga/Lance). I had a conversation with an agent when I was
looking for a Navajo policy who told me some companies just won't
insure that type due to its loss rate. No further details were given.
I'm not that familiar with the 210, but how much different can it be
from a 182RG as far as systems go? Is it just a case of owners trying
to squeeze more utility out of the plane because of its performance and
push the WX envelope a little too often?

I find it interesting that removing the back seats made such a
difference; I guess the ins co. sees it as limiting their total risk?
The local flight school here rents a nice Seneca 1 with the back seats
also removed.

[Kingfish]

Darkwing wrote:
> Sweet! Diamond makes some cool stuff that I can't afford! All I heard was
> they were working on a 5 seater to go against Cirrus and Lancair, surprised
> to see it make the light of day so quickly, I only read about it a couple
> weeks ago. A Twinstar would be awesome though!
>

The 5 seat config sounds interesting as I've read most 6-seaters rarely
fly with all seats full. (I can count on one hand the times I've had 5
passengers in the Lance) If if does have the 350hp Centurion diesel I'd
expect a 200kt cruise with an impressive fuel burn. (note to Santa for
'07) For now, the DA40 XL is on my wish list.