You Know You're Old Dept.

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You know you're old when some kid posts a picture of a plane you've
flown in captioned: 'What the hell is THIS?'

(It's an AJ-2, son. A nice airplane and one of the largest to have
flown off an Essex-class carrier.)

-R.S.Hoover

[flybynightkarmarepair]

wrote:
> You know you're old when some kid posts a picture of a plane you've
> flown in captioned: 'What the hell is THIS?'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AJ_Savage.jpg <== not the posting
R.S. is referring to, but it will do in order to further the
discussion.

> (It's an AJ-2, son. A nice airplane and one of the largest to have
> flown off an Essex-class carrier.)
>
> -R.S.Hoover

My version of You Know You're Old When: a class of ships,. where you
served on the "first of class", is decommissioned. All of them.

[Wayne Paul]

I get the same type of a blank stare when I mention A3D.

You know you're old when ...the only place you can find an aircraft you flew
during your military career is a museums.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/


> wrote in message
ups.com...
> You know you're old when some kid posts a picture of a plane you've
> flown in captioned: 'What the hell is THIS?'
>
> (It's an AJ-2, son. A nice airplane and one of the largest to have
> flown off an Essex-class carrier.)
>
> -R.S.Hoover
>

[[email protected]]

Wayne Paul wrote:
> I get the same type of a blank stare when I mention A3D.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Roger that.

Even worse, see what happens when you mention an A-5 :-)

-R.S.Hoover

[Wayne Paul]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Wayne Paul wrote:
>> I get the same type of a blank stare when I mention A3D.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Roger that.
>
> Even worse, see what happens when you mention an A-5 :-)
>
> -R.S.Hoover
>

Even when I say A-6 most think of the Prowler instead of the Intruder.
http://www.soaridaho.com/Family_Pictures/Wayne/Navy_Photos/VAH-10_A3_On_Cat.jpg
Notice that the above A3D doesn't have a refueling probe.
http://www.soaridaho.com/Naval_Pictures/A-6A_Takeoff.jpg
Lightly loaded A-6A

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> You know you're old when some kid posts a picture of a plane you've
> flown in captioned: 'What the hell is THIS?'
>
> (It's an AJ-2, son. A nice airplane and one of the largest to have
> flown off an Essex-class carrier.)
>
> -R.S.Hoover
>

You know you are old when you start running into your friends at the
Urologist's office...

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[Wayne Paul]

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:51:24 -0700, "Wayne Paul" >
> wrote:
>
>>I get the same type of a blank stare when I mention A3D.
>>
>
> I made a decent pile of money off Raytheon's A3D's at Van Nuys about
> 10 years ago. They had 6 that they put various radars, pods and noses
> on. We did form-in-place fiberglass fairings.
>
> http://home.att.net/~jbaugher4/newa3_8.html
>
> We did one fairing for an F-18 Lantirn pod that stuck out the nose.
> That was a *very* strange shape, since the pod normally goes under the
> wing/fuselage intersection.
>
> (All of them had EAA stickers on the door frames.)

Richard,

I have seen the picture. "Very" strange shape is an understatement.

My time in A3Ds was spend in the Heavy Attack (bomber) version. I noted
that all the Raytheon A3s were variants in which the bomb bay had been
removed to make room for additional crew members and/or reconnaissance
equipment..

For more then you ever really wanted to know about A-3 history go to
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder

[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

Nah, when you know you're getting old is when you _start_ finding them in
the museum. By the time you can only find them in museums you already know
you're an old fart, and you're probably volunteering at the museum.

And I just got a flashback of a 90+ yr old volunteer at the Vintage Flying
Museum who flew B-17's in WWII and still gives tours, clambering all over
the airplane to teach people about the history of the airplane. Everytime I
think about that it reminds me what it feels like to see "awesome" in
person...

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
...
>I get the same type of a blank stare when I mention A3D.
>
> You know you're old when ...the only place you can find an aircraft you
> flew during your military career is a museums.
>
> Wayne
> HP-14 "6F"
> http://www.soaridaho.com/
>
>
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> You know you're old when some kid posts a picture of a plane you've
>> flown in captioned: 'What the hell is THIS?'
>>
>> (It's an AJ-2, son. A nice airplane and one of the largest to have
>> flown off an Essex-class carrier.)
>>
>> -R.S.Hoover
>>
>
>



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[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "flybynightkarmarepair" > said:
>My version of You Know You're Old When: a class of ships,. where you
>served on the "first of class", is decommissioned. All of them.

The first ship my brother served on is now a dive reef. He's taken before
and after pictures of his station.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
"Tech Services - We Aim To Please, We Shoot To Kill"
-- H. Wade Minter, ASR

[Wayne Paul]

Juan,

You may be correct. Now let me see where I fit. Definately not 90+;
however, SNJ, SMB, T-33, T2J, T-28, T-34, A3D, A6A, P2V, P5M, R4D. Oh my, I
must be getting old!!

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder


"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
.. .
> Nah, when you know you're getting old is when you _start_ finding them in
> the museum. By the time you can only find them in museums you already know
> you're an old fart, and you're probably volunteering at the museum.
>
> And I just got a flashback of a 90+ yr old volunteer at the Vintage Flying
> Museum who flew B-17's in WWII and still gives tours, clambering all over
> the airplane to teach people about the history of the airplane. Everytime
> I think about that it reminds me what it feels like to see "awesome" in
> person...
>
> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I get the same type of a blank stare when I mention A3D.
>>
>> You know you're old when ...the only place you can find an aircraft you
>> flew during your military career is a museums.
>>
>> Wayne
>> HP-14 "6F"
>> http://www.soaridaho.com/
>>
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>>> You know you're old when some kid posts a picture of a plane you've
>>> flown in captioned: 'What the hell is THIS?'
>>>
>>> (It's an AJ-2, son. A nice airplane and one of the largest to have
>>> flown off an Essex-class carrier.)
>>>
>>> -R.S.Hoover
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
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>

[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

The only one in that list that I've flown is the T-28. The other day I was
in Charlotte and it turns out they have an aviation museum there. Of all
things, they have an H-46 helo from the last Marine squadron I worked at,
HMM-161. That was a weird feeling. :)

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
...
> Juan,
>
> You may be correct. Now let me see where I fit. Definately not 90+;
> however, SNJ, SMB, T-33, T2J, T-28, T-34, A3D, A6A, P2V, P5M, R4D. Oh my,
> I must be getting old!!
>
> Wayne
> http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder
>
>
> "Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> Nah, when you know you're getting old is when you _start_ finding them in
>> the museum. By the time you can only find them in museums you already
>> know you're an old fart, and you're probably volunteering at the museum.
>>
>> And I just got a flashback of a 90+ yr old volunteer at the Vintage
>> Flying Museum who flew B-17's in WWII and still gives tours, clambering
>> all over the airplane to teach people about the history of the airplane.
>> Everytime I think about that it reminds me what it feels like to see
>> "awesome" in person...
>>
>> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>I get the same type of a blank stare when I mention A3D.
>>>
>>> You know you're old when ...the only place you can find an aircraft you
>>> flew during your military career is a museums.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> HP-14 "6F"
>>> http://www.soaridaho.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ups.com...
>>>> You know you're old when some kid posts a picture of a plane you've
>>>> flown in captioned: 'What the hell is THIS?'
>>>>
>>>> (It's an AJ-2, son. A nice airplane and one of the largest to have
>>>> flown off an Essex-class carrier.)
>>>>
>>>> -R.S.Hoover
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>
>



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[Harry K]

flybynightkarmarepair wrote:
> wrote:
> > You know you're old when some kid posts a picture of a plane you've
> > flown in captioned: 'What the hell is THIS?'
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AJ_Savage.jpg <== not the posting
> R.S. is referring to, but it will do in order to further the
> discussion.
>
> > (It's an AJ-2, son. A nice airplane and one of the largest to have
> > flown off an Essex-class carrier.)
> >
> > -R.S.Hoover
>
> My version of You Know You're Old When: a class of ships,. where you
> served on the "first of class", is decommissioned. All of them.

You know know you're old when every unit and base you were ever at no
longer exists. I was in for 21 years and only 1 unit out the many I
was at world wide is still in existance. That includes all the TDYs.

Harry K

[Wayne Paul]

"Harry K" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> flybynightkarmarepair wrote:
>> wrote:
>> > You know you're old when some kid posts a picture of a plane you've
>> > flown in captioned: 'What the hell is THIS?'
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AJ_Savage.jpg <== not the posting
>> R.S. is referring to, but it will do in order to further the
>> discussion.
>>
>> > (It's an AJ-2, son. A nice airplane and one of the largest to have
>> > flown off an Essex-class carrier.)
>> >
>> > -R.S.Hoover
>>
>> My version of You Know You're Old When: a class of ships,. where you
>> served on the "first of class", is decommissioned. All of them.
>
> You know know you're old when every unit and base you were ever at no
> longer exists. I was in for 21 years and only 1 unit out the many I
> was at world wide is still in existance. That includes all the TDYs.
>
> Harry K

Harry,

I can't top that one.

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder

[Stuart & Kathryn Fields]

NAW. You know when you are getting old when you forget to zip up.

You are really old when you forget to zip down.

--
Stuart Fields
Experimental Helo magazine
P. O. Box 1585
Inyokern, CA 93527
(760) 377-4478
(760) 408-9747 general and layout cell
(760) 608-1299 technical and advertising cell

www.vkss.com
www.experimentalhelo.com


> wrote in message
ups.com...
> You know you're old when some kid posts a picture of a plane you've
> flown in captioned: 'What the hell is THIS?'
>
> (It's an AJ-2, son. A nice airplane and one of the largest to have
> flown off an Essex-class carrier.)
>
> -R.S.Hoover
>

[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Harry K" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>>
>> flybynightkarmarepair wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>> > You know you're old when some kid posts a picture of a plane you've
>>> > flown in captioned: 'What the hell is THIS?'
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AJ_Savage.jpg <== not the posting
>>> R.S. is referring to, but it will do in order to further the
>>> discussion.
>>>
>>> > (It's an AJ-2, son. A nice airplane and one of the largest to have
>>> > flown off an Essex-class carrier.)
>>> >
>>> > -R.S.Hoover
>>>
>>> My version of You Know You're Old When: a class of ships,. where you
>>> served on the "first of class", is decommissioned. All of them.
>>
>> You know know you're old when every unit and base you were ever at no
>> longer exists. I was in for 21 years and only 1 unit out the many I
>> was at world wide is still in existance. That includes all the TDYs.
>>
>> Harry K
>
> Harry,
>
> I can't top that one.
>
> Wayne
> http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder

Neither can I. New River's still there, so is Cherry Point. But El Toro's
gone. And Tustin's done gone too... or rather, still there but the jarheads
are all gone. :(

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=tustin.+ca&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=33.707633,-117.825623&spn=0.027275,0.054245&t=k&om=1

Juan



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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

LOL!

"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in message
.. .
> NAW. You know when you are getting old when you forget to zip up.
>
> You are really old when you forget to zip down.
>
> --
> Stuart Fields
> Experimental Helo magazine
> P. O. Box 1585
> Inyokern, CA 93527
> (760) 377-4478
> (760) 408-9747 general and layout cell
> (760) 608-1299 technical and advertising cell
>
> www.vkss.com
> www.experimentalhelo.com
>
>
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> You know you're old when some kid posts a picture of a plane you've
>> flown in captioned: 'What the hell is THIS?'
>>
>> (It's an AJ-2, son. A nice airplane and one of the largest to have
>> flown off an Essex-class carrier.)
>>
>> -R.S.Hoover
>>
>
>



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[Dave S]

>>
>>You know know you're old when every unit and base you were ever at no
>>longer exists. I was in for 21 years and only 1 unit out the many I
>>was at world wide is still in existance. That includes all the TDYs.
>>
>>Harry K
>
>
> Harry,
>
> I can't top that one.
>
> Wayne
> http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder
>

Even my late father would not be able to top that.. He was AF and USA...
Rucker is still there
Bragg
Shafter, Wheeler, Hickam

Dunno about his time in Europe..
Laredo AFB is off..
Da Nang is definitely off the list..
Oui-jom-bu or whatever, Korea.. Is the US still there in that town with
Helos?

He was so many places in 20 years.

Dave

[Harry K]

Dave S wrote:
> >>
> >>You know know you're old when every unit and base you were ever at no
> >>longer exists. I was in for 21 years and only 1 unit out the many I
> >>was at world wide is still in existance. That includes all the TDYs.
> >>
> >>Harry K
> >
> >
> > Harry,
> >
> > I can't top that one.
> >
> > Wayne
> > http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder
> >
>
> Even my late father would not be able to top that.. He was AF and USA...
> Rucker is still there
> Bragg
> Shafter, Wheeler, Hickam
>
> Dunno about his time in Europe..
> Laredo AFB is off..
> Da Nang is definitely off the list..
> Oui-jom-bu or whatever, Korea.. Is the US still there in that town with
> Helos?
>
> He was so many places in 20 years.
>
> Dave

After some cogitating I realized that I had not counted Lackland AFB
(basic training). I think that still exists. My specialty was Russian
Linguist with USAFSS (Security Service). I haven't kept track but I
think even that name has changed. We had a _lot_ of small bases around
the world, most that one wouldn't want to be at.

Harry K

[Roger[_4_]]

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:29:59 -0800, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields"
> wrote:

>NAW. You know when you are getting old when you forget to zip up.
>
>You are really old when you forget to zip down.

You are tuely getting old when it's your back that's stiff when you
get up in the morning.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Anthony W]

Roger wrote:

> You are tuely getting old when it's your back that's stiff when you
> get up in the morning.

Hey, I resemble that remark... For me one of the signs of being over
the hill was going to the motorcycle dealership and asking for a part
for my XS11 and the guy behind the counter asks "what's an XS11.)

Tony

[Blueskies]

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message ...
.......
: : (All of them had EAA stickers on the door frames.)


If you are serious that is very cool...

[Morgans[_5_]]

"Blueskies" > wrote in message
et...
>
> "Richard Riley" > wrote in message
> ...
> ......
> : : (All of them had EAA stickers on the door frames.)
>
>
> If you are serious that is very cool...

IMHO, Richard is, and always has been a straight shooter. If he says it, he
means it.

It is always possible that he had intended to put a smiley on it, but this
time, I doubt it.
--
Jim in NC

[Dan[_2_]]

Anthony W wrote:
> Roger wrote:
>
>> You are tuely getting old when it's your back that's stiff when you
>> get up in the morning.
>
> Hey, I resemble that remark... For me one of the signs of being over
> the hill was going to the motorcycle dealership and asking for a part
> for my XS11 and the guy behind the counter asks "what's an XS11.)
>
> Tony

Or when someone asks if Paul Mcartney was in a group back in the 1960s.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Anthony W]

Dan wrote:
> Anthony W wrote:
>> Roger wrote:
>>
>>> You are tuely getting old when it's your back that's stiff when you
>>> get up in the morning.
>>
>> Hey, I resemble that remark... For me one of the signs of being over
>> the hill was going to the motorcycle dealership and asking for a part
>> for my XS11 and the guy behind the counter asks "what's an XS11.)
>
> Or when someone asks if Paul Mcartney was in a group back in the 1960s.

I once told this sweet young thing at a party that I felt like out of
place like the Steely Dan song Hey 19. She asked who's Steely Dan...
Needless to say it wasn't an enjoyable evening.

Tony

[DABEAR]

Wayne Paul wrote:

> I get the same type of a blank stare when I mention A3D.

Hughes Electronics has a fleet of them operational at Van Nuys Airport,
California. They even have a C.O.D. version of sorts, complete with
passenger windows. They come in and land, then utilize drogue chutes
after touchdown. They're based out of the old Volpar building by the
looks of it.

[Blueskies]

Thanks! Happy new year!


"Richard Riley" > wrote in message ...
: On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:47:02 -0500, "Blueskies"
: > wrote:
:
: >
: >"Richard Riley" > wrote in message ...
: >......
: >: : (All of them had EAA stickers on the door frames.)
: >
: >
: >If you are serious that is very cool...
:
: Allow me to be perfectly accurate, since we are here in yawnland...
:
: I worked on 4 of the 6 that they had at Van Nuys. All 4 that I worked
: on had gold EAA "wings" just ahead of the door. I didn't see the
: other two, they were parked on the other side of the airport and might
: not have had the stickers.
:
: (We thought it was very cool, too.)
:
: This is one that we worked on
: http://www.vaq34.com/a3list/144825_miller.jpg
:
: The black fairing ahead of the windshield, the long square conduit
: running nose to tail, and the balls on the back were things we made.
:
: We did our mods using Rutan style moldless methods - blue foam, 7725
: glass, and epoxy. The black fairing was made with a special epoxy
: that we could post cure to a high temperature.

[BobR]

I first realized that I was getting old when I was flirting with one
attractive receptionist at a clients office and he ask how old I was.
Now she was in her early twenties and had just turned 40. I told her
my age and her eyes got real wide and she exclaimed: "Wow, you are the
same age as my daddy"!


Anthony W wrote:
> Dan wrote:
> > Anthony W wrote:
> >> Roger wrote:
> >>
> >>> You are tuely getting old when it's your back that's stiff when you
> >>> get up in the morning.
> >>
> >> Hey, I resemble that remark... For me one of the signs of being over
> >> the hill was going to the motorcycle dealership and asking for a part
> >> for my XS11 and the guy behind the counter asks "what's an XS11.)
> >
> > Or when someone asks if Paul Mcartney was in a group back in the 1960s.
>
> I once told this sweet young thing at a party that I felt like out of
> place like the Steely Dan song Hey 19. She asked who's Steely Dan...
> Needless to say it wasn't an enjoyable evening.
>
> Tony

[anon]

"DABEAR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Hughes Electronics has a fleet of them operational at Van Nuys Airport,
> California. They even have a C.O.D. version of sorts, complete with
> passenger windows.

As a kid, I remember checking out a VIP Transport A-3 at Andrews. It had
leather seats!!

[Stuart & Kathryn Fields]

Wayne: I'll see your A3D and raise with a B-36

--
Stuart Fields
Experimental Helo magazine
P. O. Box 1585
Inyokern, CA 93527
(760) 377-4478
(760) 408-9747 general and layout cell
(760) 608-1299 technical and advertising cell

www.vkss.com
www.experimentalhelo.com


"DABEAR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Wayne Paul wrote:
>
> > I get the same type of a blank stare when I mention A3D.
>
> Hughes Electronics has a fleet of them operational at Van Nuys Airport,
> California. They even have a C.O.D. version of sorts, complete with
> passenger windows. They come in and land, then utilize drogue chutes
> after touchdown. They're based out of the old Volpar building by the
> looks of it.
>

[Roger[_4_]]

On 31 Dec 2006 14:30:11 -0800, "BobR" >
wrote:

>I first realized that I was getting old when I was flirting with one
>attractive receptionist at a clients office and he ask how old I was.
>Now she was in her early twenties and had just turned 40. I told her
>my age and her eyes got real wide and she exclaimed: "Wow, you are the
>same age as my daddy"!

And what's wrong with that?

>
>
>Anthony W wrote:
>> Dan wrote:
>> > Anthony W wrote:
>> >> Roger wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> You are tuely getting old when it's your back that's stiff when you
>> >>> get up in the morning.
>> >>
>> >> Hey, I resemble that remark... For me one of the signs of being over
>> >> the hill was going to the motorcycle dealership and asking for a part
>> >> for my XS11 and the guy behind the counter asks "what's an XS11.)
>> >
>> > Or when someone asks if Paul Mcartney was in a group back in the 1960s.
>>
>> I once told this sweet young thing at a party that I felt like out of
>> place like the Steely Dan song Hey 19. She asked who's Steely Dan...
>> Needless to say it wasn't an enjoyable evening.
>>
>> Tony
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Harry K]

Stuart & Kathryn Fields wrote:
> Wayne: I'll see your A3D and raise with a B-36
>
> --

Ah, the aluminum overcast. Seems there were a few other names for it.
I used to watch them land at Kelly. Seemed the rollout was a bit
longer than forever.

I was on Shemya, Alaska for a short tour and it was named as an
alternate once for some special mission. I could not imagine a 36
makeing a successful landing there.

Harry K

[Peter Dohm]

"BobR" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> I first realized that I was getting old when I was flirting with one
> attractive receptionist at a clients office and he ask how old I was.
> Now she was in her early twenties and had just turned 40. I told her
> my age and her eyes got real wide and she exclaimed: "Wow, you are the
> same age as my daddy"!
>
That's the sort of think that could make a guy need Prozac to face thinking
about Viagra!

Peter <g>
(Sorry, there are just too damned many drug ads on the radio)


> Anthony W wrote:
> > Dan wrote:
> > > Anthony W wrote:
> > >> Roger wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> You are tuely getting old when it's your back that's stiff when you
> > >>> get up in the morning.
> > >>
> > >> Hey, I resemble that remark... For me one of the signs of being over
> > >> the hill was going to the motorcycle dealership and asking for a part
> > >> for my XS11 and the guy behind the counter asks "what's an XS11.)
> > >
> > > Or when someone asks if Paul Mcartney was in a group back in the
1960s.
> >
> > I once told this sweet young thing at a party that I felt like out of
> > place like the Steely Dan song Hey 19. She asked who's Steely Dan...
> > Needless to say it wasn't an enjoyable evening.
> >
> > Tony
>

[BobR]

Roger wrote:
> On 31 Dec 2006 14:30:11 -0800, "BobR" >
> wrote:
>
> >I first realized that I was getting old when I was flirting with one
> >attractive receptionist at a clients office and he ask how old I was.
> >Now she was in her early twenties and had just turned 40. I told her
> >my age and her eyes got real wide and she exclaimed: "Wow, you are the
> >same age as my daddy"!
>
> And what's wrong with that?
>

That was TWENTY Years ago that's what is wrong with it!


> >
> >
> >Anthony W wrote:
> >> Dan wrote:
> >> > Anthony W wrote:
> >> >> Roger wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> You are tuely getting old when it's your back that's stiff when you
> >> >>> get up in the morning.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey, I resemble that remark... For me one of the signs of being over
> >> >> the hill was going to the motorcycle dealership and asking for a part
> >> >> for my XS11 and the guy behind the counter asks "what's an XS11.)
> >> >
> >> > Or when someone asks if Paul Mcartney was in a group back in the 1960s.
> >>
> >> I once told this sweet young thing at a party that I felt like out of
> >> place like the Steely Dan song Hey 19. She asked who's Steely Dan...
> >> Needless to say it wasn't an enjoyable evening.
> >>
> >> Tony
> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
> www.rogerhalstead.com

[John Clear]

In article . com>,
BobR > wrote:
>I first realized that I was getting old when I was flirting with one
>attractive receptionist at a clients office and he ask how old I was.
>Now she was in her early twenties and had just turned 40. I told her
>my age and her eyes got real wide and she exclaimed: "Wow, you are the
>same age as my daddy"!

When I was in college, a friend remarked 'you know you are getting
old when the girls that pose in THOSE magazines are younger then
you'...

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

[Roger[_4_]]

On 31 Dec 2006 19:25:44 -0800, "BobR" >
wrote:

>
>Roger wrote:
>> On 31 Dec 2006 14:30:11 -0800, "BobR" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I first realized that I was getting old when I was flirting with one
>> >attractive receptionist at a clients office and he ask how old I was.
>> >Now she was in her early twenties and had just turned 40. I told her
>> >my age and her eyes got real wide and she exclaimed: "Wow, you are the
>> >same age as my daddy"!
>>
>> And what's wrong with that?
>>
>
>That was TWENTY Years ago that's what is wrong with it!

Now that is a legitimate complaint! <:-))

Of course you can look at is as she is no longer half your age?

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Wayne Paul]

Stuart,

When I was in high school we lived in northern Idaho. Our home was about
100 miles from Fairchild AFB. I distenctly remember hearing the B-36's
rumble and seeing the contrails streaming from each engine as they flew over
Troy.

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/



"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in message
...
> Wayne: I'll see your A3D and raise with a B-36
>
> --
> Stuart Fields
> Experimental Helo magazine
> P. O. Box 1585
> Inyokern, CA 93527
> (760) 377-4478
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> (760) 608-1299 technical and advertising cell
>
> www.vkss.com
> www.experimentalhelo.com
>

[DABEAR]

anon wrote:
> "DABEAR" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > Hughes Electronics has a fleet of them operational at Van Nuys Airport,
> > California. They even have a C.O.D. version of sorts, complete with
> > passenger windows.
>
> As a kid, I remember checking out a VIP Transport A-3 at Andrews. It had
> leather seats!!

I've had only one opportunity to fly in an aircraft as a passenger and
find myself sitting in leather seats:

Swift Aire Lines, DeHavilland Heron, four-engines if you can believe it
(old RAF Military Utility Transport ~ the twin version was the "Dove"),
from Los Angeles to Santa Maria.

Would love to get me one of those!

Mojave has a flight tester, modified, just sitting with the wings
off...tempting! <G>

Five Questions out of curiousity: 1) Are all ultralights single
engine, and if not, 2) what ultra light(s) possess the most? 3) What
is the lightest engine in use on an ultralight? And 4) how much does
the engine weigh? 5) I've been told that the replica Wright Flyers
qualify as Ultra Lights, as do some of the pioneering aircraft 1903 -
1914 ~ is this true?

Thanks in advance for any answers I can get...

[DABEAR]

anon wrote:
> "DABEAR" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > Hughes Electronics has a fleet of them operational at Van Nuys Airport,
> > California. They even have a C.O.D. version of sorts, complete with
> > passenger windows.
>
> As a kid, I remember checking out a VIP Transport A-3 at Andrews. It had
> leather seats!!

I've had only one opportunity to fly in an aircraft as a passenger and
find myself sitting in leather seats:

Swift Aire Lines, DeHavilland Heron, four-engines if you can believe it
(old RAF Military Utility Transport ~ the twin version was the "Dove"),
from Los Angeles to Santa Maria.

Would love to get me one of those!

Mojave has a flight tester, modified, just sitting with the wings
off...tempting! <G>

Five Questions out of curiousity: 1) Are all ultralights single
engine, and if not, 2) what ultra light(s) possess the most? 3) What
is the lightest engine in use on an ultralight? And 4) how much does
the engine weigh? 5) I've been told that the replica Wright Flyers
qualify as Ultra Lights, as do some of the pioneering aircraft 1903 -
1914 ~ is this true?

Thanks in advance for any answers I can get...

[Don L n FTW]

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
...
> Stuart,
>
> When I was in high school we lived in northern Idaho. Our home was about
> 100 miles from Fairchild AFB. I distenctly remember hearing the B-36's
> rumble and seeing the contrails streaming from each engine as they flew
> over Troy.
>
> Wayne
> http://www.soaridaho.com/

C-82s McChord AFB 53-54
C-47s Korea 54-55 (last C-47 Sqdn in the AF)
B-36 Fairchild AFB 55-56 I probably was in one of those you
saw.....................

[Wayne Paul]

"anon" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "DABEAR" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> Hughes Electronics has a fleet of them operational at Van Nuys Airport,
>> California. They even have a C.O.D. version of sorts, complete with
>> passenger windows.
>
> As a kid, I remember checking out a VIP Transport A-3 at Andrews. It had
> leather seats!!

The VIP transport is the same frame as the TA-3 and EA-3. The TA-3 was
designed as a Bombardier/Navigator trainer. The TA-3's cabin area housed a
300 lb analogue computer , that's right, I said analogue (gears, servos,
and mechanical integrator), and several navigation tables complete with
sextant mounts. The EA-3s were loaded with electronic equipment to monitor
the USSR military technology and operations. Another variation of this
airframe was the RA-3 photo bird. In addition to cameras, it had a small
bomb bay for photo flares.

CNO's CA-3 ... http://www.a3skywarrior.com/donatedpics/144865.jpg
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/donatedpics/114857VIPTABLE.jpg
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/donatedpics/144857IntFwd.jpg
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/donatedpics/144857IntAft.jpg

TA-3...... http://www.a3skywarrior.com/pg11photos/ta3b00_2.jpg

EA-3 ..... http://www.a3skywarrior.com/jpg/seabrine.jpg
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/pg10photos/vq1_PR9_interior.gif
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/gif/a-3r12.jpg
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/donatedpics/km2.jpg

RA-3 ..... http://www.a3skywarrior.com/donatedpics/wp1.jpg
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/pg9photos/2p.jpg (notice the 20
mm cannons. http://www.a3skywarrior.com/jpg/guns.jpg)
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/pg12photos/web4.jpg

Perspective of the A-3s size ...
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/donatedpics/cat%20prep.jpg

One small point. The A-3 did NOT have ejection seats!!!
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/pg17photos/Adams11.jpg
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/pg17photos/Adams11.jpg
A sudden heavy gust from starboard on a close in approach with no time to
correct. Luckily the hook didn't engage a wire. LCDR John Priest got it
airborne again and limped to Iwakuni and made a successful landing with no
hydraulics and the port wing bet up 10 degrees.

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com

[Richard Isakson]

"DABEAR" wrote ...
>

>
> I've had only one opportunity to fly in an aircraft as a passenger and
> find myself sitting in leather seats:
>
> Swift Aire Lines, DeHavilland Heron, four-engines if you can believe it
> (old RAF Military Utility Transport ~ the twin version was the "Dove"),
> from Los Angeles to Santa Maria.
>

Hey Bubba, if you remember Swift Aire, You ARE old.

Rich

[Montblack]

("John Clear" wrote)
> When I was in college, a friend remarked 'you know you are getting old
> when the girls that pose in THOSE magazines are younger then you'...


I believe this one tops them all:

This year is bad enough, next January it gets worse - much, much worse.

Young ladies will qualify for Playboy magazine's Playmate status

.... (wait for it) ...

<sigh> ....who were BORN in the 1990's!


Montblack-in-time
"Libyans!" (1985) (1955) (1885) (2015) (...and beyond)
http://www.bttf.com/travel.htm
Good luck getting that hovering skateboard certified - in any category!

http://www.tvparty.com/tunnel.html
Best show on TV, to a 2nd grader - I had the lunch box!

[Ed Sullivan]

On 31 Dec 2006 22:25:37 -0800, "DABEAR" >
wrote:


You can bet I'm old, I can remember when many early military aircraft
used to stop at Visalia, California airport when flying through the
central valley. Visalia had a long runway for those days. Among the
aircraft I saw there were a squadron of Curtiss Hawk P6E's from
Selfridge Field in the Snow owl paint jobs; a squadron of Martin B-10
or 12's; several versions of the Northrup attack and Consolidated
attack aircraft, I can't remember the numbers; an Grumman F3F1 and
later at the start of the war it was a base for Lockheed Hudsons,
P-61s and A-26s. B-17s, B-24s and B25s frequently landed there.

[DABEAR]

Richard Isakson wrote:


> Hey Bubba, if you remember Swift Aire, You ARE old.
>
> Rich

YEAH! And I've got pictures of their aircraft, too!

On tin type in sepia tone! <G>

[Roger[_4_]]

On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 09:30:11 -0600, "Montblack"
> wrote:

>("John Clear" wrote)
>> When I was in college, a friend remarked 'you know you are getting old
>> when the girls that pose in THOSE magazines are younger then you'...
>
>
>I believe this one tops them all:
>
>This year is bad enough, next January it gets worse - much, much worse.
>
>Young ladies will qualify for Playboy magazine's Playmate status
>
>... (wait for it) ...
>
><sigh> ....who were BORN in the 1990's!
>
>
>Montblack-in-time
>"Libyans!" (1985) (1955) (1885) (2015) (...and beyond)
>http://www.bttf.com/travel.htm
>Good luck getting that hovering skateboard certified - in any category!
>
>http://www.tvparty.com/tunnel.html
>Best show on TV, to a 2nd grader - I had the lunch box!

And then there was .... 2000 plus on the radio. Boy, did they ever
have it wrong!

Anyone here remember that one?


>
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger[_4_]]

On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:23:40 -0800, Richard Riley
> wrote:

>On 1 Jan 2007 12:36:00 -0800, "DABEAR" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Richard Isakson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hey Bubba, if you remember Swift Aire, You ARE old.
>>>
>>> Rich
>>
>>YEAH! And I've got pictures of their aircraft, too!
>>
>>On tin type in sepia tone! <G>

Such timely posts. I caught Joyce cleaning the storage room in the
basement. She was checking to see what was in those yellow boxes. At
least she didn't open the black plastic inside to see what was in
that.

There are two unopened *large* boxes of Kodak E-6 processing
chemicals. Three bottles of T-Max developer. (Two unopened and one
collapsed) you know which one had been opened. Uncounted boxes of Jobo
Chrome and E-6 processing kits. I liked Jobo's 3 step process for
color negatives. One minute develop, one minute wash, one minute fix.
they didn't count the 10 minutes in the washer afterwards.

I've forgotten how many steps were in the Kodak kit, but it seems like
I kept running out of bottles of counter top space when developing
slides. So you can understand why I liked the Jobo process. I still
have the motorized, temperature controlled processor too.

That was the nice thing about color though. Same developer and
process times for all negatives. And slides used their own developing
process but again, all were E-6, or you sent them in.

I have a huge enlarger for large format that I've never used. It was
old when I got it. I threw out all the commercial color print
processing stuff I had. Couldn't give it away. Now I wish I had that
big SS tank back.

>
>Heck, tintype musthave been the latest thing, then. I'da figgured it
>for glass wash negatives...

In one of my photography classes I we had to make our own
photosensitive material, coat and dry the paper and then make prints.

Pinhole cameras. One kid decided to do a shot of the campus. He
planted this large card board box on the steps of the administration
building overlooking the campus. He painted on the box: " This is a
camera, Please do not move". The Prof had to go down and get him out
of the city jail due to the bomb scare and this was in 88 or 89.

At any rate, what started out to be a "work in the shop" evening has
turned out to be a sort out chemicals, clean bottles, find old
photography stuff and RESCUE old photography stuff with the admonition
of Please don't open any more of those yellow boxes.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Stuart & Kathryn Fields]

Ramey AFB Puerto Rico 72 Strategic Bomb Wing. 54-56.
We had Curtis Lemays Brother-in-law for a Wing commander. Wore a small
tiger emblem on the back of his helmet liner.

--
Stuart Fields
Experimental Helo magazine
P. O. Box 1585
Inyokern, CA 93527
(760) 377-4478
(760) 408-9747 general and layout cell
(760) 608-1299 technical and advertising cell

www.vkss.com
www.experimentalhelo.com


" Don L n FTW" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Stuart,
> >
> > When I was in high school we lived in northern Idaho. Our home was
about
> > 100 miles from Fairchild AFB. I distenctly remember hearing the B-36's
> > rumble and seeing the contrails streaming from each engine as they flew
> > over Troy.
> >
> > Wayne
> > http://www.soaridaho.com/
>
> C-82s McChord AFB 53-54
> C-47s Korea 54-55 (last C-47 Sqdn in the AF)
> B-36 Fairchild AFB 55-56 I probably was in one of those you
> saw.....................
>
>

[[email protected]]

When all the State Cops look like teen-agers . . . . .

And they stop me in my regular ride and ask if I shouldn't think about
getting an "Antique License" ? . . . . . and then (dammit, I just
HAD to) ask them whether they meant for the car or for myself.
I got a sort of revenge, however. He nearly fell down laughing so hard
on the walk back to his cruiser !

Flash

[[email protected]]

When all the State Cops look like teen-agers . . . . .

And they stop me in my regular ride and ask if I shouldn't think about
getting an "Antique License" ? . . . . . and then (dammit, I just
HAD to) ask them whether they meant for the car or for myself.
I got a sort of revenge, however. He nearly fell down laughing so hard
on the walk back to his cruiser !

Flash

[Roger[_4_]]

On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:38:39 -0800, Richard Riley
> wrote:

>On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 19:29:04 -0500, Roger >
>wrote:
>
>>And then there was .... 2000 plus on the radio. Boy, did they ever
>>have it wrong!
>>
>>Anyone here remember that one?
>
>Don't remember that, but the one that makes me shake my head was "The
>21st Century" on CBS. Sponsored by Union Carbide, hosted by Walter
>Cronkite. Kind of a follow up to "The 20th Century" documentary
>series. 1967-1970
>
>He'd go into labs, show the latest and neatest stuff and predict what
>we'd have now. I remember 3 items specifically.
>
>Flat TV's that we could hang on our walls
>
>Prosthetic limbs that would read nerve impulses
>
>IC silicon chips.
>
>I remember the last one clearly. They had a chip with 3 transistors
>on it, and were working on one that would have 100 transistors. Soon,
>you'd be able to have a working computer in your pocket.
>
>Some of the stuff hasn't come to pass - like the dishes you wouldn't
>wash, you'd just melt them and re-cast them. Or the typewriter that
>would use a laser to burn mistakes off the paper. But for wild
>guesses they did pretty well.

2000 Plus was a sci fi show probably from around 1950, give or take a
couple of years, but I'm pretty sure it was before 1950. OTOH it was
2000 *Plus* and they didn't say plus how much. I'd guess it was about
the "Tom Corbit" time.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com