Osh Kosh 2007 - airport & accomodation

[Marc CYBW]

OK. Here's my resolution for 2007 - I've decided to make plans to fly to
Osh Kosh in my 182 - a two day trip by myself each way from CYBW (Calgary -
Springbank). One day if I the weather's good and I can find another pilot to
share the flying.

Trouble is, I don't want to join the heavy air traffic and the
landing-two-at-a-time routine at Osh Kosh itself. So Plan B is flying to a
field north or northwest or west, staying at a B&B, and renting a car.

What location(s) do folks recommend?

Thanks, and Happy New Year.

Calgary.
Cold, but it's a dry cold.

--

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

You can stay at a number of local airports and then get a rental car. This
makes for a lot less difficulty in getting into and out of the field.

Some local fields within an hour drive are West Bend (ETB), Dodge County
(UNU), and Waukesha (UES). Waukesha has the biggest facility.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Marc CYBW" > said:
>Trouble is, I don't want to join the heavy air traffic and the
>landing-two-at-a-time routine at Osh Kosh itself. So Plan B is flying to a
>field north or northwest or west, staying at a B&B, and renting a car.
>
>What location(s) do folks recommend?

Oshkosh is one word, not two.

Fond du Lac has parking and camping, and I believe it even has a shuttle
bus to the Oshkosh site.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
It isn't the volts that kill, it's the missing brain waves.
-- Matt Roberds

[Jack Allison[_1_]]

Fond du Lac also has some pretty decent dorm rooms at Marion (sp?)
college. Air conditioned and they served a pretty decent breakfast. Do
yourself a favor though and book a rental car way in advance. They have
a shuttle but the prices are an absolute rip off. IIRC, I spent $20/day
to get from the dorms to the airport to Oshkosh and back.

Fond du Lac is also a pretty easy airport to get in/out during
Airventure. They setup a temporary tower and the arrival is much
simpler than Oshkosh (which, IMHO, isn't that complicated).

Whatever you do Marc, be sure to find the Honeck campsite, stop in for a
cold one (it's always fun to give away Jay's beer, just ask MontBlack),
and say Hi.


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

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[Morgans[_5_]]

"Marc CYBW" > wrote

> OK. Here's my resolution for 2007 - I've decided to make plans to fly to
> Osh Kosh in my 182 - a two day trip by myself each way from CYBW
> (Calgary - Springbank). One day if I the weather's good and I can find
> another pilot to share the flying.
>
> Trouble is, I don't want to join the heavy air traffic and the
> landing-two-at-a-time routine at Osh Kosh itself. So Plan B is flying to a
> field north or northwest or west, staying at a B&B, and renting a car.

If you do not land at OSH, and camp with your plane, you have missed over
half of the experience. REALly

All you have to do is land at a nearby airport, within a hour or so from
OSH, get up early and take off so that you arrive within the first hour or
so the field is open, a few days before the show opens, like Tues. or Wen.
No problem then, the traffic will be very light.

Just in case, practice landings on a spot, changing the landing spot on the
runway at the last moment, flying down the runway at 50 feet, overhead
approaches, or one turn to final, and practice slow flight and speeded up
approaches. Go with someone who has flown in before, if possible. You will
have no problems, then, even if traffic is heavy.
--
Jim in NC

[Montblack]

("Paul Tomblin" wrote)
> Oshkosh is one word, not two.


Agreed. Drop the Kosh.

OSH :-)


Montblack

[Jay Honeck]

> If you do not land at OSH, and camp with your plane, you have missed over
> half of the experience. REALly

I second Jim's motion, Marc. If you fly all the way to Oshkosh WITHOUT
landing there, you will have bought dinner, drinks and a show only to
find that you've been kissing your sister. Right idea -- wrong
person/location!

> All you have to do is land at a nearby airport, within a hour or so from
> OSH, get up early and take off so that you arrive within the first hour or
> so the field is open, a few days before the show opens, like Tues. or Wen.
> No problem then, the traffic will be very light.

Absolutely. Just first land somewhere to the south and west (like, oh,
say, "Iowa City, IA" -- KIOW -- I know a great "Pre-Oshkosh Fly-In Pool
Party" that has free beer, wine, pop, food, music, etc, every year...
:-) within 90 minutes of OSH.

After resting up (overnight is always fun!), your flight into OSH will
be short, and you'll arrive fresh.

(South and west are best, so that you arrive in the RIPON procedure
without having to make any radical turns before joining the flow. Of
course, if you arrive a few days early, there won't BE any "flow"...
you'll just fly straight in.)

It's the flight of a lifetime. Don't give it up because you've been
scared away.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Montblack]

("Jack Allison" wrote)
> Whatever you do Marc, be sure to find the Honeck campsite, stop in for a
> cold one (it's always fun to give away Jay's beer, just ask MontBlack),
> and say Hi.


"How many beers you have this week, Jack?"
"Two."

"How may hard lemonades?"
"Um, ...ALL of them? More please. Seriously, we're out. We need more."


Montblack :-)
Those things go down WAY too easy when you're hot and tired.

[Jay Honeck]

> Those things go down WAY too easy when you're hot and tired.

God almighty, remember sitting at the end of Rwy 27, watching
departures? It must've been about our third night in, and we'd walked
about 6.23 million miles that day, and it was about 200 degrees...and
*someone* bought those "Mike's Hard Lemonades"...

Whoo-eeee. Three of 'em went down like water, in about three minutes.
..

Dang, those are good!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steve Foley[_2_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...

> Just in case, practice landings on a spot, changing the landing spot on
> the runway at the last moment, flying down the runway at 50 feet

OH! That's normal for OSH? And I thought I was special.

[Marc CYBW]

I believe you guys have convinced me to do the camping thing. The busy
airspace isn't a problem (Springbank and Calgary are busy controlled
airspaces) but the idea of landing half way down is something to come to
grips with. Having said that our fields are (actually were - just extended a
few weeks ago) 3,000' and I virtually never use the length in my 182
anyways.

So, how early before the event does the field open for camping?

And do they allow Canadian beer? :-)

Marc


"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Marc CYBW" > wrote
>
>> OK. Here's my resolution for 2007 - I've decided to make plans to fly to
>> Osh Kosh in my 182 - a two day trip by myself each way from CYBW
>> (Calgary - Springbank). One day if I the weather's good and I can find
>> another pilot to share the flying.
>>
>> Trouble is, I don't want to join the heavy air traffic and the
>> landing-two-at-a-time routine at Osh Kosh itself. So Plan B is flying to
>> a field north or northwest or west, staying at a B&B, and renting a car.
>
> If you do not land at OSH, and camp with your plane, you have missed over
> half of the experience. REALly
>
> All you have to do is land at a nearby airport, within a hour or so from
> OSH, get up early and take off so that you arrive within the first hour or
> so the field is open, a few days before the show opens, like Tues. or Wen.
> No problem then, the traffic will be very light.
>
> Just in case, practice landings on a spot, changing the landing spot on
> the runway at the last moment, flying down the runway at 50 feet, overhead
> approaches, or one turn to final, and practice slow flight and speeded up
> approaches. Go with someone who has flown in before, if possible. You
> will have no problems, then, even if traffic is heavy.
> --
> Jim in NC
>

[Jack Allison[_1_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> God almighty, remember sitting at the end of Rwy 27, watching
> departures? It must've been about our third night in, and we'd walked
> about 6.23 million miles that day, and it was about 200 degrees...and
> *someone* bought those "Mike's Hard Lemonades"...

Um...MontBlack started it. I just fell into consumption mode but yeah,
those are really good on a hot day. :-P

Two for Mary and it's nappy time.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Jack Allison[_1_]]

Montblack wrote:

> "How may hard lemonades?"
> "Um, ...ALL of them? More please. Seriously, we're out. We need more."

And how does this surprises you, purveyor of all things cold (and in
keeping them cold) at OSH?


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Jack Allison[_1_]]

Marc CYBW wrote:
> I believe you guys have convinced me to do the camping thing.
Cool! As everyone has said, it really is great. The one year we didn't
camp, I really missed it.

> So, how early before the event does the field open for camping?
Not sure, others can comment here. I'm wouldn't be surprised if some
volunteers start arriving a week or more before the event.

> And do they allow Canadian beer? :-)

Absolutely. However, the only way MontBlack (or any designated Honeck
campsite representative) will allow Canadian beer to enter the cooler is
via a taste test...might require a couple of bottles so plan
accordingly. :-)


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Jack Allison > said:
>Absolutely. However, the only way MontBlack (or any designated Honeck
>campsite representative) will allow Canadian beer to enter the cooler is
>via a taste test...might require a couple of bottles so plan
>accordingly. :-)

I forget, didn't we bring some Sleemans last time? That's pretty great
stuff.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
Real programmers don't comment their code. It was hard to write, it
should be hard to understand.

[Marc CYBW]

Sleemans. Hmmm.

I think a full "flight" of Big Rock, Calgary's finest, is in order. Warthog;
Traditional; McNally's; Grasshopper .......




"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> In a previous article, Jack Allison
> > said:
>>Absolutely. However, the only way MontBlack (or any designated Honeck
>>campsite representative) will allow Canadian beer to enter the cooler is
>>via a taste test...might require a couple of bottles so plan
>>accordingly. :-)
>
> I forget, didn't we bring some Sleemans last time? That's pretty great
> stuff.
>
> --
> Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
> Real programmers don't comment their code. It was hard to write, it
> should be hard to understand.

[Jay Honeck]

> I think a full "flight" of Big Rock, Calgary's finest, is in order. Warthog;
> Traditional; McNally's; Grasshopper .......

Whoooaaaa, Marc. You keep this up, and we'll name you a
co-grand-poobah of the annual Rec.Aviation party! It's always held
Wednesday during OSH, so plan accordingly...

;-)

Just so you know what this is about, here are some pix from the last
several years.

Here was the 2006 edition, our biggest one yet:

http://alexisparkinn.com/wed_-_north_40_party.htm

....and the 2005 edition: http://alexisparkinn.com/wednesday1.htm

....and the 2004 edition: http://alexisparkinn.com/newsgroup_party.htm

....and the quintessential photo of THE rec.aviation party of all time,
from 2003: http://tinyurl.com/yzao2d

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jack Allison[_1_]]

Marc CYBW wrote:

> I think a full "flight" of Big Rock, Calgary's finest, is in order. Warthog;
> Traditional; McNally's; Grasshopper .......

Hmmm, looks like that C182 useful load is going to come in handy! Two
years ago, with just two of us in the Arrow, I managed to bring a case
of local stuff. No such luck last year with four adults aboard ("Hello,
MontBlack camping gear delivery service? Yes, we'd like a full
compliment of camping gear please...")


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Blanche]

Personally, I prefer Appleton. But get your reservations for
housing RIGHT NOW!

If you want to have a rent car, reserve it RIGHT NOW.

[Blanche]

Marc:

Go back thru Google groups for threads about camping at OSH. Jay, of
course, is the Resident Grand Master of camping there. He can offer
a very large number of suggestions that you should take as gospel
and believe every one of them if you're going to camp.

As for spot landings -- that's less of a problem than the realization
that there are airplanes *really close* and I mean REALLY CLOSE TO YOU
as you come in over RIPON and thru the entire approach and landing.

[RST Engineering]

The problem, of course, is that US Customs takes a dim view of anything more
than a few beers being "imported"; I don't remember the actual number.

Jim


"Jack Allison" > wrote in message
. ..
> Marc CYBW wrote:
>
>> I think a full "flight" of Big Rock, Calgary's finest, is in order.
>> Warthog; Traditional; McNally's; Grasshopper .......
>
> Hmmm, looks like that C182 useful load is going to come in handy! Two
> years ago, with just two of us in the Arrow, I managed to bring a case of
> local stuff. No such luck last year with four adults aboard ("Hello,
> MontBlack camping gear delivery service? Yes, we'd like a full compliment
> of camping gear please...")

[Montblack]

("Blanche" wrote)
> Personally, I prefer Appleton. But get your reservations for housing RIGHT
> NOW!


I stayed at the UW-OSH Taylor Hall: air conditioned, 3 miles from the field,
big parking lot across the street, newly remodeled. Rooms were still
available through the first Tuesday. That first weekend they were maybe 3/4
full. This fact blew me away - because EVERYONE always claims the dorms are
full! My (new) friend at the front desk said it's always like that.

I've got my spot picked out for 2007. It will be my 5th OSH - each year,
something a little different. This year I'll be sleeping with the
ultralights - sort of.

There was a Chevy Suburban in Camp Scholler last year that sat under a
10'x20'(?) car tent, which covered half of the vehicle. His system kept most
of the Suburban's windows out of the sun. The rest of the canopy's length
ran out, past the rear bumper, and served as: dressing area, shade area,
rain canopy, whatever he wanted to use it as. I'll have to look into this
idea some more, between now and July. :-)


Montblack

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Montblack" > wrote

> There was a Chevy Suburban in Camp Scholler last year that sat under a
> 10'x20'(?) car tent, which covered half of the vehicle. His system kept
> most of the Suburban's windows out of the sun. The rest of the canopy's
> length ran out, past the rear bumper, and served as: dressing area, shade
> area, rain canopy, whatever he wanted to use it as. I'll have to look into
> this idea some more, between now and July. :-)

That was basically what I did with my Chevy Astro van. I went one more, and
was hooked up to electricity in the Aviation Explorer Base, and had a small
window AC in the opened back door, with a piece of cardboard sealing the
area around the AC in the open door. The canopy kept the rain off the
cardboard. (very necessary) <g>

Instead of the area off the back being covered, the extra canopy was on the
side with the cargo sliding door, to make a sitting - eating - whatever
area.

Set the AC back inside, lay the cardboard down, and drive out from under the
canopy, if a store run was needed. (it was <g>)

At least I didn't need to put in a transmission, that year!
--
Jim in NC

[Jay Honeck]

> I've got my spot picked out for 2007. It will be my 5th OSH - each year,
> something a little different. This year I'll be sleeping with the
> ultralights - sort of.

Hey -- if you get the camper refurb finished, you can stay in that!

(We attended several Oshkosh's in that camper. It's very
comfortable...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"