Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

[Bush]

Laws do vary State by State, for instance the Devlin creep in MO will
not be arraigned until later in the week, according to NBC's Brian
Williams. In many (most) States it is the next day.

Have a great one!

Bush



On 12 Jan 2007 12:48:35 -0800, "Kev" > wrote:

>Jay Beckman wrote:
>> "Kev" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> > American used to show the view out front on takeoff on its TV screens,
>> > until after that DC-10 crash in Chicago, 1979. Rumors say they had to
>> > pay extra for the pain and suffering caused by the passengers seeing
>> > their own doom.
>>
>> Personally, I can't imagine much more pain and suffering beyond the
>> realization that you are knife-edge (and still rolling) in a DC10...
>
>Yeah, no kidding, but to lawyers it's a big deal. Some states allow
>suing for the pain and suffering that goes between the incident and
>death.
>
>So apparently the amount of time that someone is consciously
>terrorized, can be a major factor in death (or for that matter, life if
>they make it) compensation. If the insurance company can prove that
>everyone was knocked unconcious, then there's far less non-pecuniary
>damages allowed than if the passengers were awake... during a 30,000
>foot fall, for example.
>
>This kind of compensation doesn't apply over international ocean, due
>to the Death on the High Seas act.
>
>IANAL, Kev

[A Lieberma]

Buck Murdock > wrote in
:

> Frankly, though, choosing between Continental and United is a
> no-brainer. I'd rather ride on Continental any day of the week, even
> without "channel 9." Nicer planes, better food.

I'd have to agree with the nice planes :-)

767 with personal entertainment on the back of each seat, including the
cheap seats I was in. Movies or video games or even a GPS flight show.

Went to seatguru, selected the outer seat either behind or in front of
the wing.

First time on a 767 for me, and it is the quietest plane I ever been on!

Oh yea, the trip, awesome.

Only dissapointment was Lihue airport didn't have a GA place where I
could rent a Cessna.

Tell you what though, airliners had a dickens of a time at Lihue.

Downhill runway, every landing was a crusher, and every landing, we
stopped no sooner then the 1000 foot marker. Couldn't figure it out
until one takeoff, the pilot took his sweet time lining up, and I
happened to be on the left side of the plane. Runway had a huge grade
going down.

Allen

[A Lieberma]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Safety announcements can override all audio channels, so it isn't
> necessary to take headphones off to hear them.

Yep, typical response of a person who never stepped into a plane.

Ya know, safety announcements just may have to be made if something
catastropic happens to the electrial system and flight attendence have to
bark out orders using their own voices. I.E evacutation orders.

Allen

[Mxsmanic]

A Lieberma writes:

> Yep, typical response of a person who never stepped into a plane.

No, typical response of someone who has actually looked at the comm
stack in a commercial airliner.

> Ya know, safety announcements just may have to be made if something
> catastropic happens to the electrial system and flight attendence have to
> bark out orders using their own voices. I.E evacutation orders.

Yes, but not every announcement is an evacuation order. Announcements
can be made that override all audio channels.

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[A Lieberma]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

>> Ya know, safety announcements just may have to be made if something
>> catastropic happens to the electrial system and flight attendence
>> have to bark out orders using their own voices. I.E evacutation
>> orders.
>
> Yes, but not every announcement is an evacuation order. Announcements
> can be made that override all audio channels.

Yep, a response from a person who never stepped into a plane.

Reeeeeeeed carefully above.

Better yet, pull the plug to your computer and make an announcment over
your radio stack and see just how many of your imaginary passengers will
hear your announcement.

Allen

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A Lieberma wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote in
> :
>
> >> Ya know, safety announcements just may have to be made if something
> >> catastropic happens to the electrial system and flight attendence
> >> have to bark out orders using their own voices. I.E evacutation
> >> orders.
> >
> > Yes, but not every announcement is an evacuation order. Announcements
> > can be made that override all audio channels.
>
> Yep, a response from a person who never stepped into a plane.
> Reeeeeeeed carefully above.

?? It might be clear in your own head, but I can't figure out what
you're arguing about. All Mx said is that you can hear announcements
on top of the headphone channels. That's certainly been my
experience. Are you claiming otherwise?

Puzzled, Kev

[Ron Natalie]

wrote:
> A Lieberma wrote:
>> Mxsmanic > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>> Ya know, safety announcements just may have to be made if something
>>>> catastropic happens to the electrial system and flight attendence
>>>> have to bark out orders using their own voices. I.E evacutation
>>>> orders.
>>> Yes, but not every announcement is an evacuation order. Announcements
>>> can be made that override all audio channels.
>> Yep, a response from a person who never stepped into a plane.
>> Reeeeeeeed carefully above.
>
> ?? It might be clear in your own head, but I can't figure out what
> you're arguing about. All Mx said is that you can hear announcements
> on top of the headphone channels. That's certainly been my
> experience. Are you claiming otherwise?
>
Every stupid-assed announcement from 'This is your captain speaking
we're now flying over the Grand Canyon' to the 'we're about to
start trying to salvage the airline's bottom line by serving you
overpriced stale snack boxes' overrides whatever meager audio
programming was offered.

[A Lieberma]

wrote in news:1169122320.744364.254680@
11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com:

> ?? It might be clear in your own head, but I can't figure out what
> you're arguing about. All Mx said is that you can hear announcements
> on top of the headphone channels. That's certainly been my
> experience. Are you claiming otherwise?

Nope, what I am saying is that headphones should not be worn should safety
announcements OUTSIDE the PA system be needed due to catastrophic
electrical loss. (I was quite clear about this in my reply to Mx)

On my latest flight, all movies were shut down below 10,000 feet in
preparation for landing. As stated earlier up in the thread, I was
surprised to hear that audio for channel 9 was still available since I was
under the understanding since all videos were shut down, that the channel
nine audio would have been shut off.

This is the part, I just learned from this thread :-)

Allen

[Mxsmanic]

A Lieberma writes:

> Nope, what I am saying is that headphones should not be worn should safety
> announcements OUTSIDE the PA system be needed due to catastrophic
> electrical loss.

How many people would be wearing headphones after a loss of electrical
power? Are there vacuum-powered audio systems?

> On my latest flight, all movies were shut down below 10,000 feet in
> preparation for landing. As stated earlier up in the thread, I was
> surprised to hear that audio for channel 9 was still available since I was
> under the understanding since all videos were shut down, that the channel
> nine audio would have been shut off.

Why? There isn't necessarily any reason to shut either of them off,
as long as announcements are heard.

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