Eclipse 500 delivering

[Jim Macklin]

FIRST CUSTOMER ECLIPSE 500 DELIVERED
Eclipse delivered its first customer aircraft December
31, at its headquarters in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Ramping
up to fulfill the backlog of more than 2,500 aircraft, the
company already has 37 additional aircraft on its production
line in various stages of assembly. Seven of these aircraft
have completed final assembly and are being prepared for
delivery.

The first customer Eclipse 500 was delivered to
co-owners David Crowe, a private owner, and Jet-Alliance, a
shared jet ownership company in Westlake Village,
California. While Crowe plans use his time with the jet
primarily for recreation, Jet-Alliance will be using it to
serve the needs of their growing list of co-ownership
clients. For more information visit www.eclipseaviation.com.

[Newps]

Neil Gould wrote:

I'll bet Cessna wished they had a 2,500 plane backlog on any of
> their models (and perhaps their entire line).

Cessna doesn't envy anybody, especially in jet sales.

[Neil Gould]

Recently, Jim Macklin > posted:

> FIRST CUSTOMER ECLIPSE 500 DELIVERED
> Eclipse delivered its first customer aircraft December
> 31, at its headquarters in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Ramping
> up to fulfill the backlog of more than 2,500 aircraft, the
> company already has 37 additional aircraft on its production
> line in various stages of assembly. Seven of these aircraft
> have completed final assembly and are being prepared for
> delivery.
>
Well, that should satisfy the skeptics as to whether the E500 is a viable
product. I'll bet Cessna wished they had a 2,500 plane backlog on any of
their models (and perhaps their entire line).

Neil

[Dave Stadt]

"Neil Gould" > wrote in message
. net...
> Recently, Jim Macklin > posted:
>
>> FIRST CUSTOMER ECLIPSE 500 DELIVERED
>> Eclipse delivered its first customer aircraft December
>> 31, at its headquarters in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Ramping
>> up to fulfill the backlog of more than 2,500 aircraft, the
>> company already has 37 additional aircraft on its production
>> line in various stages of assembly. Seven of these aircraft
>> have completed final assembly and are being prepared for
>> delivery.
>>
> Well, that should satisfy the skeptics as to whether the E500 is a viable
> product. I'll bet Cessna wished they had a 2,500 plane backlog on any of
> their models (and perhaps their entire line).
>
> Neil


Eclipse is no threat to Cessna and Eclipse I am sure wishes it had the
backlog Cessna does. When it comes to business jets Cessna is so far ahead
it isn't even a race.

[Neil Gould]

Recently, Dave Stadt > posted:

> "Neil Gould" > wrote in message
> . net...
>> Recently, Jim Macklin > posted:
>>
>>> FIRST CUSTOMER ECLIPSE 500 DELIVERED
>>> Eclipse delivered its first customer aircraft December
>>> 31, at its headquarters in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Ramping
>>> up to fulfill the backlog of more than 2,500 aircraft, the
>>> company already has 37 additional aircraft on its production
>>> line in various stages of assembly. Seven of these aircraft
>>> have completed final assembly and are being prepared for
>>> delivery.
>>>
>> Well, that should satisfy the skeptics as to whether the E500 is a
>> viable product. I'll bet Cessna wished they had a 2,500 plane
>> backlog on any of their models (and perhaps their entire line).
>>
>> Neil
>
>
> Eclipse is no threat to Cessna and Eclipse I am sure wishes it had the
> backlog Cessna does. When it comes to business jets Cessna is so far
> ahead it isn't even a race.
>
I think you may have missed my point, Dave. Cessna is a successful,
established firm with a long history, so an upstart is not likely to be a
threat. However, if Cessna has a backlog of 2,500 for any one of their
jets, they are doing something seriously wrong, given that history and
established production capability. I suspect that their backlog is a lot
closer to their ability to deliver (or, it should be).

Neil

[Bill Denton]

"Backlog" is really not the correct term for the Eclipse situation.

A more accurate description is "orders booked".

Neither the customers nor Eclipse expected that everyone would be able to
get their airplane the day after FAA certification was completed.

Customers were given something like an "anticipated delivery date" that, in
some cases, was probably several years in the future.



"Neil Gould" > wrote in message
. net...
> Recently, Dave Stadt > posted:
>
> > "Neil Gould" > wrote in message
> > . net...
> >> Recently, Jim Macklin > posted:
> >>
> >>> FIRST CUSTOMER ECLIPSE 500 DELIVERED
> >>> Eclipse delivered its first customer aircraft December
> >>> 31, at its headquarters in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Ramping
> >>> up to fulfill the backlog of more than 2,500 aircraft, the
> >>> company already has 37 additional aircraft on its production
> >>> line in various stages of assembly. Seven of these aircraft
> >>> have completed final assembly and are being prepared for
> >>> delivery.
> >>>
> >> Well, that should satisfy the skeptics as to whether the E500 is a
> >> viable product. I'll bet Cessna wished they had a 2,500 plane
> >> backlog on any of their models (and perhaps their entire line).
> >>
> >> Neil
> >
> >
> > Eclipse is no threat to Cessna and Eclipse I am sure wishes it had the
> > backlog Cessna does. When it comes to business jets Cessna is so far
> > ahead it isn't even a race.
> >
> I think you may have missed my point, Dave. Cessna is a successful,
> established firm with a long history, so an upstart is not likely to be a
> threat. However, if Cessna has a backlog of 2,500 for any one of their
> jets, they are doing something seriously wrong, given that history and
> established production capability. I suspect that their backlog is a lot
> closer to their ability to deliver (or, it should be).
>
> Neil
>
>
>

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

Does anyone know what the actual "out the door" delivered price was?

I was wondering whether Eclipse actually met their target price, or if not,
how much over did they go?

[Matt Barrow]

"Dave Stadt" > wrote in message
et...
>
>>> FIRST CUSTOMER ECLIPSE 500 DELIVERED
>>> Eclipse delivered its first customer aircraft December
>>> 31, at its headquarters in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Ramping
>>> up to fulfill the backlog of more than 2,500 aircraft, the
>
>
> Eclipse is no threat to Cessna and Eclipse I am sure wishes it had the
> backlog Cessna does. When it comes to business jets Cessna is so far
> ahead it isn't even a race.

How much backlog does Cessna have for it's Citation line?


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO (MTJ)

[Neil Gould]

Recently, Bill Denton > posted:

> "Backlog" is really not the correct term for the Eclipse situation.
>
> A more accurate description is "orders booked".
>
> Neither the customers nor Eclipse expected that everyone would be
> able to get their airplane the day after FAA certification was
> completed.
>
> Customers were given something like an "anticipated delivery date"
> that, in some cases, was probably several years in the future.
>
Perhaps you can explain the difference between this and a backlog of
orders? Are you suggesting that the orders weren't actually placed, and
that the reported figures represent mere inquiries into the delivery date?
I don't see why any company would keep a count of such inquiries, much
less report them as orders.

Neil

[Bill Denton]

"Backlog" generally refers to an inability to deliver orders at the promised
time.

If someone ordered an airplane from Eclipse and were told it would be
delivered in January 2009 it would not be consider "backlogged" today...





"Neil Gould" > wrote in message
et...
> Recently, Bill Denton > posted:
>
> > "Backlog" is really not the correct term for the Eclipse situation.
> >
> > A more accurate description is "orders booked".
> >
> > Neither the customers nor Eclipse expected that everyone would be
> > able to get their airplane the day after FAA certification was
> > completed.
> >
> > Customers were given something like an "anticipated delivery date"
> > that, in some cases, was probably several years in the future.
> >
> Perhaps you can explain the difference between this and a backlog of
> orders? Are you suggesting that the orders weren't actually placed, and
> that the reported figures represent mere inquiries into the delivery date?
> I don't see why any company would keep a count of such inquiries, much
> less report them as orders.
>
> Neil
>
>
>

[Blueskies]

"Bill Denton" > wrote in message et...
: "Backlog" generally refers to an inability to deliver orders at the promised
: time.
:
: If someone ordered an airplane from Eclipse and were told it would be
: delivered in January 2009 it would not be consider "backlogged" today...
:
:

\
On time delivery - delivering the product at agreed to time
Backlog - orders on the books not yet delivered

[Robert M. Gary]

Dave Stadt wrote:

> Eclipse is no threat to Cessna and Eclipse I am sure wishes it had the
> backlog Cessna does. When it comes to business jets Cessna is so far ahead
> it isn't even a race.

They're a huge threat to Beech though. Not surprising they sold Beech
right before this. When you're trying to sell a Baron at about the same
price as an Eclipse times are tough.

-Robert

[Montblack]

("Viperdoc" wrote)
> Does anyone know what the actual "out the door" delivered price was?
>
> I was wondering whether Eclipse actually met their target price, or if
> not, how much over did they go?


IIRC, for orders placed in early 1998, the special "limited offer -
introductory price" was $750,000. Then I remember the price going to
$850,000, then up to $950,000, etc.

(Anyone have the pricing history for the Eclipse?)

I'm not sure how they handled the Williams exit issues, G1000 upgrade,
weight increase and other "improvements" vs. old booking targets with
deposits?

http://www.gizmag.com/go/5332/
Fun Fun Fun site. <click on left side photo links>

They're saying $1.3M today, with $1M for the early bookings.

I'm also curious what the "OTD" cost was - because I thought the Eclipse was
to be sold (loaded) without many options. Now I'm seeing all sorts of
....extras... available, for an additional $$$.

I've heard 'line jumpers' are buying spots for $1.5M.

Hmm?
Order 4 Jets ..........(1998) $800K /each
Sell 3 Spots ...........(2007) $1.5M /each

Pay taxes ..............with sale of #1
Pay off #4 ..............with sale of #2
Buy fuel ..................with sale of #3


Montblack :-)
Yes, yes, I know the deposit money (x3 Eclipse Jets) could have been
earning ...blah, blah, blah

[Jim Macklin]

They require a contract and a cash deposit to get a
production number. Many speculators buy early and hope to
sell their slot at a profit. Some buyers may have a change
of heart, buy another airplane and drop out. Their slot
will be sold by the company at current prices.


"Neil Gould" > wrote in message
et...
| Recently, Bill Denton > posted:
|
| > "Backlog" is really not the correct term for the Eclipse
situation.
| >
| > A more accurate description is "orders booked".
| >
| > Neither the customers nor Eclipse expected that everyone
would be
| > able to get their airplane the day after FAA
certification was
| > completed.
| >
| > Customers were given something like an "anticipated
delivery date"
| > that, in some cases, was probably several years in the
future.
| >
| Perhaps you can explain the difference between this and a
backlog of
| orders? Are you suggesting that the orders weren't
actually placed, and
| that the reported figures represent mere inquiries into
the delivery date?
| I don't see why any company would keep a count of such
inquiries, much
| less report them as orders.
|
| Neil
|
|
|

[Peter Clark]

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 07:09:37 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
> wrote:

>
>How much backlog does Cessna have for it's Citation line?

Last I heard they're quoting delivery sometime in 2010 for Mustsang
orders placed today.