Good weather -- flying more?

[Jay Honeck]

We fly year-round, but many pilots around here seem to shut the hangar
door after Thanksgiving, and not open it again until Easter.

This year, with such unseasonably warm weather, I'm wondering if anyone
is seeing more GA traffic? We're not any more than a normal January
here in Iowa City -- which I find rather surprising, given the really
nice weather.

I suppose it's a habit thing: It's January, dammit, and folks just
don't expect to be flying -- so they're just NOT? Dunno -- but it's
sure been wonderful, flying in shirtsleeves in January...

What are you guys and gals seeing in your neck of the woods? Are you
taking advantage of it, and doing any (perhaps abnormal for mid-winter)
cross country flights?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim[_11_]]

Although the weather up here in our neck of the woods has been mild, it as
also been mostly overcast... low overcast. There hasn't been an increase in
the VFR traffic over our normal December/January, in fact, I'd say there has
been less traffic.

The IFR guys are still active with most people waiting until noon and warmer
temps to climb up into the clag. I watched our Aztec divert westward
towards Rochester MN yesterday to get around a line of showers and precip
that extended across southern WI before turning south towards Boone, IA
(Ames area). I was happy to see him make that decision. Even with ground
temps in the 40's there's been plenty of ice above the inversion layers
we've been getting here.

Jim

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 06:57:13 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote
(in article om>):

> We fly year-round, but many pilots around here seem to shut the hangar
> door after Thanksgiving, and not open it again until Easter.
>
> This year, with such unseasonably warm weather, I'm wondering if anyone
> is seeing more GA traffic? We're not any more than a normal January
> here in Iowa City -- which I find rather surprising, given the really
> nice weather.

What unseasonably warm weather? We have had so many storms and power outages
I haven't even had a chance to make an appointment to renew my medical.

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 6 Jan 2007 06:57:13 -0800, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

>This year, with such unseasonably warm weather, I'm wondering if anyone
>is seeing more GA traffic?

Snort. Here in the Seattle area over the last month, we've had record rainfall
(and when it's a record in Seattle, it's a LOT of rain), flooded streets,
flooded houses (one woman drowned in her own basement), flood airports, rain
followed by freezes, rain followed by several inches of snow (not significant in
the Midwest, but significant in an area that rarely sees it and is very hilly)
storms featuring 100 MPH winds (significant in an area with a zillion trees in
very, VERY soggy soil) and power failures affecting over a million people (I
live in an urban area ~10 miles from Sea-Tac airport, my power was out for four
days, friends in more remote areas were out for a week). And with all the
moisture, even when it ISN'T raining, fog forms at the drop of a hat.

Daddy, tell me that fairy story again, the one about good weather... :-)

I flew exactly twice during the entire month of December...on the second, and on
the 31st. On the 2nd, the air was so milky with haze and fog I didn't even
leave the airport area; it was like flying inside a cow.

Ron Wanttaja

[Mxsmanic]

Jay Honeck writes:

> I suppose it's a habit thing: It's January, dammit, and folks just
> don't expect to be flying -- so they're just NOT? Dunno -- but it's
> sure been wonderful, flying in shirtsleeves in January...

You'll pay for it when it's 115 degrees in July. The world is getting
warmer.

--
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[Howard Nelson]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> We fly year-round, but many pilots around here seem to shut the hangar
> door after Thanksgiving, and not open it again until Easter.
>
> This year, with such unseasonably warm weather, I'm wondering if anyone
> is seeing more GA traffic? We're not any more than a normal January
> here in Iowa City -- which I find rather surprising, given the really
> nice weather.
>
> I suppose it's a habit thing: It's January, dammit, and folks just
> don't expect to be flying -- so they're just NOT? Dunno -- but it's
> sure been wonderful, flying in shirtsleeves in January...
>
> What are you guys and gals seeing in your neck of the woods? Are you
> taking advantage of it, and doing any (perhaps abnormal for mid-winter)
> cross country flights?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Jay

For me flying less is not related to weather but cost and inconvenience. I
guess I'm no longer a true believer but at $50/hr just for fuel in my 182
( approximate $.80/mile total cost) I mostly drive if it is under 400 miles
( approximate $.20/mile total cost) and fly commercial over 500
miles.($.10/mile/person or less). I know cost and inconvience are part of
the whole light GA experience but for me personally some threashold has been
passed. As an example I can drive from Santa Cruz to Sacramento door to door
faster than fly WVI to SAC. And when I get there I have my car not a rental.

Using the WVI - SAC example. If I am really fast and efficient and
conditions VFR that flight would be door to takeoff 1 hour, flight 1.2
hours, tie down, rental car drive to destination 1 hour. I have been flying
31 years now and the early mantra still is true. "If you have time to spare,
go by air".

So I find I am flying less and enjoying it less. More cost and inconvenience
than a weather issue. As I fly less fixed costs are approaching 3X variable
costs. Mogas is not a viable solution at WVI.

When AVGAS went from $2 to $4/gal. It only raised my total operating cost
perhaps 20% but it did something to my thinking about flying. I started
considering costs. Something I hadn't done before. Now I think about the
cost and convenience of a trip and GA almost never does well in that
analysis. My flying now consists mostly of local flights for IFR currency
and and occasional long xcountry (1000-1500 miles) just for the sheer beauty
of flying in the West.

Howard

[Ron Lee]

Mxsmanic > wrote:

>Jay Honeck writes:
>
>> I suppose it's a habit thing: It's January, dammit, and folks just
>> don't expect to be flying -- so they're just NOT? Dunno -- but it's
>> sure been wonderful, flying in shirtsleeves in January...
>
>You'll pay for it when it's 115 degrees in July. The world is getting
>warmer.

That is just a simulated weather forecast. In Colorado we have had
blizzards, unusual snow amounts and lots of cold. Global warming
fanatics should look at global temperatures over the last million
years or so (certainly hundreds of thousands of years) then shut up.

Ron Lee

[Ron Lee]

on 1 Jan I flew with another RV-6A from 00V (Colorado) to the Tulsa OK
area and back. Six hours of cross-country, a sore derrier and
beautiful flying all the way.

Ron Lee

[Bob Noel]

In article om>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> This year, with such unseasonably warm weather, I'm wondering if anyone
> is seeing more GA traffic? We're not any more than a normal January
> here in Iowa City -- which I find rather surprising, given the really
> nice weather.

warm? it's winter. who cares if it's cold or warm? Here in the
northeast it doesn't get so cold that a nominal preheat wouldn't
be effective.

Me, I haven't flown since before Thanksgiving because work
and the weather (ain't flying in icing conditions) have conspired
to keep me on the ground. :-(

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Matt Whiting]

Ron Lee wrote:

> Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
>
>>Jay Honeck writes:
>>
>>
>>>I suppose it's a habit thing: It's January, dammit, and folks just
>>>don't expect to be flying -- so they're just NOT? Dunno -- but it's
>>>sure been wonderful, flying in shirtsleeves in January...
>>
>>You'll pay for it when it's 115 degrees in July. The world is getting
>>warmer.
>
>
> That is just a simulated weather forecast. In Colorado we have had
> blizzards, unusual snow amounts and lots of cold. Global warming
> fanatics should look at global temperatures over the last million
> years or so (certainly hundreds of thousands of years) then shut up.

I'm with you. What we are seeing now isn't even a blip on the scale of
past climate cycles.

Matt

[Jim Macklin]

Global warming IS happening, but it is solar system wide.
Permafrost on Mars is melting and fresh signs of water are
flowing out the side of craters. See www.nasa.gov for
recent pictures of Mars or Google for "Mars water." NASA
also reports that the Moons of Jupiter and even Pluto are
having heating. I don't think it is caused by SUVs or even
cow gases.

But Al Gore can't get elected complaining about God or just
natural solar cycles.


"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
| Ron Lee wrote:
|
| > Mxsmanic > wrote:
| >
| >
| >>Jay Honeck writes:
| >>
| >>
| >>>I suppose it's a habit thing: It's January, dammit,
and folks just
| >>>don't expect to be flying -- so they're just NOT?
Dunno -- but it's
| >>>sure been wonderful, flying in shirtsleeves in
January...
| >>
| >>You'll pay for it when it's 115 degrees in July. The
world is getting
| >>warmer.
| >
| >
| > That is just a simulated weather forecast. In Colorado
we have had
| > blizzards, unusual snow amounts and lots of cold.
Global warming
| > fanatics should look at global temperatures over the
last million
| > years or so (certainly hundreds of thousands of years)
then shut up.
|
| I'm with you. What we are seeing now isn't even a blip on
the scale of
| past climate cycles.
|
| Matt

[Jay Honeck]

> on 1 Jan I flew with another RV-6A from 00V (Colorado) to the Tulsa OK
> area and back. Six hours of cross-country, a sore derrier and
> beautiful flying all the way.

Sounds great. I'm itching to fly somewhere for more than a few hours,
but work, my kids, and the weather keep conspiring against me.

It's hard to plan a VFR x-country flight in winter -- even THIS winter
-- because you just *know* that bad weather is out there, somewhere.
And when it goes bad in January, it can be weeks on end.

We've just strung together four really nice days here, but that is an
incredible fluke. I think most pilots are thinking the same as me --
our last fly-in guest at the hotel was for New Year's Eve, and they
were in a Cheyenne. (They came all the way from Colorado to party in
Iowa City!)

*sigh* I sure wish the days would get longer faster...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
"Jim Macklin" > wrote:

> But Al Gore can't get elected complaining about God or just
> natural solar cycles.

feh - Gore can't get elected. period.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Kevin Clarke]

There didn't appear to be the normal drop off post-thanksgiving. So
yeah, it is holding constant and my perception is that there are more
folks than usual for this time of year up in the air in the Northeast.

It was 65 deg F in central Mass today.

KC

Jay Honeck wrote:
> We fly year-round, but many pilots around here seem to shut the hangar
> door after Thanksgiving, and not open it again until Easter.
>
> This year, with such unseasonably warm weather, I'm wondering if anyone
> is seeing more GA traffic? We're not any more than a normal January
> here in Iowa City -- which I find rather surprising, given the really
> nice weather.
>
> I suppose it's a habit thing: It's January, dammit, and folks just
> don't expect to be flying -- so they're just NOT? Dunno -- but it's
> sure been wonderful, flying in shirtsleeves in January...
>
> What are you guys and gals seeing in your neck of the woods? Are you
> taking advantage of it, and doing any (perhaps abnormal for mid-winter)
> cross country flights?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[M[_1_]]

Despite all that weather in Seattle, I managed to had 9 flights in
December, out of Paine field. Thanks to having my own plane and a time
flexible job.

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
>
> Snort. Here in the Seattle area over the last month, we've had record rainfall
> (and when it's a record in Seattle, it's a LOT of rain), flooded streets,
> flooded houses (one woman drowned in her own basement), flood airports, rain
> followed by freezes, rain followed by several inches of snow (not significant in
> the Midwest, but significant in an area that rarely sees it and is very hilly)
> storms featuring 100 MPH winds (significant in an area with a zillion trees in
> very, VERY soggy soil) and power failures affecting over a million people (I
> live in an urban area ~10 miles from Sea-Tac airport, my power was out for four
> days, friends in more remote areas were out for a week). And with all the
> moisture, even when it ISN'T raining, fog forms at the drop of a hat.
>

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:42:27 -0800, Ron Lee wrote
(in article >):

> Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
>> Jay Honeck writes:
>>
>>> I suppose it's a habit thing: It's January, dammit, and folks just
>>> don't expect to be flying -- so they're just NOT? Dunno -- but it's
>>> sure been wonderful, flying in shirtsleeves in January...
>>
>> You'll pay for it when it's 115 degrees in July. The world is getting
>> warmer.
>
> That is just a simulated weather forecast. In Colorado we have had
> blizzards, unusual snow amounts and lots of cold. Global warming
> fanatics should look at global temperatures over the last million
> years or so (certainly hundreds of thousands of years) then shut up.

Yep, a single year is suddenly global warming upon us. Not one reputable
scientist would agree, but certain media airheads (probably the same ones who
think the winter solstice is the first "official" day of winter) say it
anyway. What good are facts when you are on a crusade?

The current warm winter on the eastern seaboard and the cold weather in the
west should be expected whenever we have an El Nino. Last year we had a La
Nina, the exact opposite of an El Nino, causing a few extra typhoons in the
Philippines. That country likely will get milder weather this year.

Greenland once was, well, green in the tenth century when Eric the Red
discovered it. Oranges grew in Ireland then. The Medieval Warming Period
ended with the Little Ice Age, which continued until the 19th century. Global
warming and cooling and have far more correlation with sunspot activity than
they have with anything else.

Nevertheless, it is unreasonable to assume that CO2 levels are not having a
significant effect on global warming. The question is, if we were somehow
able to stop humanity from dumping any more CO2 into the atmosphere, would
global warming stop? It seems unlikely. We are once again entering a period
of increased solar activity. The best we could probably hope for would be to
slow global warming slightly, shorten the warming period, or reduce its
effect. But we could not stop it, even if every human being left the planet
right this very instant.

[Stefan]

C J Campbell schrieb:

> Greenland once was, well, green in the tenth century when Eric the Red
> discovered it. Oranges grew in Ireland then. The Medieval Warming Period

The common argument. It's true. But it prooves exactly the opposite of
what you think it does.

The point is, look at the climate then and what the effect of a tiny
change was. And then look at the much bigger climate change now. Now try
to think of the effects to be expected by this big change now when
already such a tiny change then caused oranges to grow in Ireland.

Stefan

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
Stefan > wrote:

> > Greenland once was, well, green in the tenth century when Eric the Red
> > discovered it. Oranges grew in Ireland then. The Medieval Warming Period
>
> The common argument. It's true. But it prooves exactly the opposite of
> what you think it does.
>
> The point is, look at the climate then and what the effect of a tiny
> change was.

Was it cause and effect, or just correlation?

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Stefan]

Bob Noel schrieb:

>>> Greenland once was, well, green in the tenth century when Eric the Red
>>> discovered it. Oranges grew in Ireland then.

>> The point is, look at the climate then and what the effect of a tiny
>> change was.

> Was it cause and effect, or just correlation?

What? That oranges grew in Ireland when it was warmer? I'm *sure* it was
cause and effect. <:oP

[Mxsmanic]

Stefan writes:

> The point is, look at the climate then and what the effect of a tiny
> change was. And then look at the much bigger climate change now. Now try
> to think of the effects to be expected by this big change now when
> already such a tiny change then caused oranges to grow in Ireland.

The only thing certain today is that temperatures are higher than they
were a few decades ago. The causes are unknown, the future trend is
impossible to determine. Human activity may or may not be a factor.
There is a consistent tendency among human beings to overestimate
their importance and influence on the biosphere, and this should be
kept in mind when speculating.

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[Jay Honeck]

> The only thing certain today is that temperatures are higher than they
> were a few decades ago. The causes are unknown, the future trend is
> impossible to determine. Human activity may or may not be a factor.
> There is a consistent tendency among human beings to overestimate
> their importance and influence on the biosphere, and this should be
> kept in mind when speculating.

Well put.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination'

[Stefan]

Jay Honeck schrieb:
>> The only thing certain today is that temperatures are higher than they
>> were a few decades ago. The causes are unknown, the future trend is
>> impossible to determine. Human activity may or may not be a factor.
>> There is a consistent tendency among human beings to overestimate
>> their importance and influence on the biosphere, and this should be
>> kept in mind when speculating.

> Well put.

But completely wrong.

[Mxsmanic]

Stefan writes:

> But completely wrong.

If only that were true.

We know very little about the atmosphere of the planet and about
large-scale weather patterns, even though we know the equations that
govern atmospheric phenomena on a small scale. We do not have enough
data to accurately predict the weather, and there is no way to get
enough data. Even if we had it, we don't have the computing power to
make use of it. All weather prediction beyond 24-48 hours is based to
a large extent on speculation. The chaotic behavior of weather
ensures that we cannot get it right for more than a very short period
in the future.

Over the long term, the number of variables increases by orders of
magnitude. We don't understand the effects of any but a handful of
them, and even then, their long-term effects are unknown. We have no
way of knowing anything at all, really. We like to think that we know
it all, and we like to think that changes are our own doing (even when
they are bad changes), but we are woefully incorrect on both counts.

The future also depends on other variables that we cannot know in
advance, such as solar energy production. It depends on variables
that we haven't discovered yet, much less accurately measured.

While it's commendable to reduce the amount of greenhouse gas produced
by human beings, we don't really know if it will make any difference,
nor do we know if it has made any difference thus far. We can only
guess.

It seems that the most difficult thing for human beings to accept is
humility.

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[Matt Whiting]

Stefan wrote:
> Jay Honeck schrieb:
>
>>> The only thing certain today is that temperatures are higher than they
>>> were a few decades ago. The causes are unknown, the future trend is
>>> impossible to determine. Human activity may or may not be a factor.
>>> There is a consistent tendency among human beings to overestimate
>>> their importance and influence on the biosphere, and this should be
>>> kept in mind when speculating.
>
>
>> Well put.
>
>
> But completely wrong.

Only in the minds of politicians and "scientists" looking for grant
money from politicians.

Matt

[LWG]

Agreed. It is a "global" manifestation of the "me" generation. The world
revolves around "me," and its temperature depends on "you." Nothing but
self-importance and arrogance.

The Vikings maintained vinyards in Greenland during the Medieval Warm
Period. Perhaps CO2 can raise world temperature, but if so, what caused the
MWP? Was it CO2- if so where did it come from? Was the temperature because
of increased solar activity? If so, do we see increased solar activity
now? If so, would the increased solar activity alone account for any
observed increase in temperature? If so, why is there such hysteria over
burning carbon?

Don't get me wrong- I hate waste of any sort. We must be conservative of our
resources. We desperately need to move from an economy based upon oil, but
for reasons which have nothing to do with "global warming."

> I'm with you. What we are seeing now isn't even a blip on the scale of
> past climate cycles.
>
> Matt

[Kyle Boatright]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> We fly year-round, but many pilots around here seem to shut the hangar
> door after Thanksgiving, and not open it again until Easter.
>
> This year, with such unseasonably warm weather, I'm wondering if anyone
> is seeing more GA traffic? We're not any more than a normal January
> here in Iowa City -- which I find rather surprising, given the really
> nice weather.
>
> I suppose it's a habit thing: It's January, dammit, and folks just
> don't expect to be flying -- so they're just NOT? Dunno -- but it's
> sure been wonderful, flying in shirtsleeves in January...
>
> What are you guys and gals seeing in your neck of the woods? Are you
> taking advantage of it, and doing any (perhaps abnormal for mid-winter)
> cross country flights?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Here in North Georgia, we're having spring like weather. It was in the upper
60's yesterday with several scattered layers of cumulus between 3,000 and
5,000 feet and occasional showers. Our EAA chapter went on a 70 mile
fly-out to an aviation themed restaurant.

Today, it is warm and completely overcast with rain, thunder, lightning, and
multiple tornado warnings. Not a whole lot of flying going on right now.

Kelly even asked a while ago "What is the safest room in the house in case
of a tornado." I told her there wasn't one ;-), but suggested the bathroom
in the basement might be the best choice.

KB

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote
>
> Kelly even asked a while ago "What is the safest room in the house in case
> of a tornado." I told her there wasn't one ;-), but suggested the
> bathroom in the basement might be the best choice.

Oh, great! Then you get picked up, spun around, and stuffed head first into
the toilet, and drown in 6 inches of toilet water! <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Newps]

Stefan wrote:

> Jay Honeck schrieb:
>
>>> The only thing certain today is that temperatures are higher than they
>>> were a few decades ago. The causes are unknown, the future trend is
>>> impossible to determine. Human activity may or may not be a factor.
>>> There is a consistent tendency among human beings to overestimate
>>> their importance and influence on the biosphere, and this should be
>>> kept in mind when speculating.
>
>
>> Well put.
>
>
> But completely wrong.

You have exactly a zero percent chance of knowing that.

[john smith]

Bob Noel wrote:

>In article >,
> Stefan > wrote:
>
>
>
>>>Greenland once was, well, green in the tenth century when Eric the Red
>>>discovered it. Oranges grew in Ireland then. The Medieval Warming Period
>>>
>>>
>>The common argument. It's true. But it prooves exactly the opposite of
>>what you think it does.
>>
>>The point is, look at the climate then and what the effect of a tiny
>>change was.
>>
>>
>
>Was it cause and effect, or just correlation?
>


Another factor is the shifting of the Earth's core. IIRC, there was
something in the news the last year or so reporting something along
these lines.

[Kyle Boatright]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kyle Boatright" > wrote
>>
>> Kelly even asked a while ago "What is the safest room in the house in
>> case of a tornado." I told her there wasn't one ;-), but suggested the
>> bathroom in the basement might be the best choice.
>
> Oh, great! Then you get picked up, spun around, and stuffed head first
> into the toilet, and drown in 6 inches of toilet water! <g>
> --
> Jim in NC

I wasn't too worried about that. She's pretty used to my smart assed
comments by now and her violent tendencies are on a downward trend.

KB

[James]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> We fly year-round, but many pilots around here seem to shut the hangar
> door after Thanksgiving, and not open it again until Easter.
>
> This year, with such unseasonably warm weather, I'm wondering if anyone
> is seeing more GA traffic? We're not any more than a normal January
> here in Iowa City -- which I find rather surprising, given the really
> nice weather.
>
> I suppose it's a habit thing: It's January, dammit, and folks just
> don't expect to be flying -- so they're just NOT? Dunno -- but it's
> sure been wonderful, flying in shirtsleeves in January...
>
> What are you guys and gals seeing in your neck of the woods? Are you
> taking advantage of it, and doing any (perhaps abnormal for mid-winter)
> cross country flights?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
I do not mind January weather for flying here in Penn Yan New York. I
like the affect of cold temps, resulting in good climb perfomance. This
was particularly noticable when I was getting my private certificate, in
a Cessna 150, with a 230 lbs instuctor! Also the lack of thermal
activity is nice also, and no thunderstorms to avoid.

I prefer the warmer weather overall though. I should get up again this
week, and fly somewhere, KJHW perhaps.

[James]

Ron Lee wrote:

> Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
>
>>Jay Honeck writes:
>>
>>
>>>I suppose it's a habit thing: It's January, dammit, and folks just
>>>don't expect to be flying -- so they're just NOT? Dunno -- but it's
>>>sure been wonderful, flying in shirtsleeves in January...
>>
>>You'll pay for it when it's 115 degrees in July. The world is getting
>>warmer.
>
>
> That is just a simulated weather forecast. In Colorado we have had
> blizzards, unusual snow amounts and lots of cold. Global warming
> fanatics should look at global temperatures over the last million
> years or so (certainly hundreds of thousands of years) then shut up.
>
> Ron Lee

Well described. I could not agree with you more on that. An intersting
website is www.junkscience.com They describe the global climate models
as scientists playing computer games!

[Margy Natalie]

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Ron Lee wrote:
>
>> Mxsmanic > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Jay Honeck writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I suppose it's a habit thing: It's January, dammit, and folks just
>>>> don't expect to be flying -- so they're just NOT? Dunno -- but it's
>>>> sure been wonderful, flying in shirtsleeves in January...
>>>
>>>
>>> You'll pay for it when it's 115 degrees in July. The world is getting
>>> warmer.
>>
>>
>>
>> That is just a simulated weather forecast. In Colorado we have had
>> blizzards, unusual snow amounts and lots of cold. Global warming
>> fanatics should look at global temperatures over the last million
>> years or so (certainly hundreds of thousands of years) then shut up.
>
>
> I'm with you. What we are seeing now isn't even a blip on the scale of
> past climate cycles.
>
> Matt
I think the speed at which the warming is taking place is faster (says
my daughter the meterologist). I personally wouldn't mind a fewer
degrees warmer and beach front in PA.

Margy

[Margy Natalie]

James wrote:
>
>
> Ron Lee wrote:
>
>> Mxsmanic > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Jay Honeck writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I suppose it's a habit thing: It's January, dammit, and folks just
>>>> don't expect to be flying -- so they're just NOT? Dunno -- but it's
>>>> sure been wonderful, flying in shirtsleeves in January...
>>>
>>>
>>> You'll pay for it when it's 115 degrees in July. The world is getting
>>> warmer.
>>
>>
>>
>> That is just a simulated weather forecast. In Colorado we have had
>> blizzards, unusual snow amounts and lots of cold. Global warming
>> fanatics should look at global temperatures over the last million
>> years or so (certainly hundreds of thousands of years) then shut up.
>>
>> Ron Lee
>
>
> Well described. I could not agree with you more on that. An intersting
> website is www.junkscience.com They describe the global climate models
> as scientists playing computer games!
It's all the lack of pirates

http://www.scq.ubc.ca/?p=236

Margy

[Tri-Pacer]

OH My I love this good weather.

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