Plastic Pilot Certificates Mandatory in 2009

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

According to today's AvWeb's article for today, it seems that our old
paper licenses are going to no longer be valid in a couple of years...
Just as well -- they sucked for scraping frost off the inside of a
windshield anyway...

[Robert M. Gary]

I wonder if anyone is still flying around on a certificate signed by
Orville.

Grumman-581 wrote:
> According to today's AvWeb's article for today, it seems that our old
> paper licenses are going to no longer be valid in a couple of years...
> Just as well -- they sucked for scraping frost off the inside of a
> windshield anyway...

[Jose[_1_]]

> I wonder if anyone is still flying around on a certificate signed by
> Orville.

I wonder if we're going to be charged for these new licenses that are
now mandated.

Jose
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[Mxsmanic]

Jose writes:

> I wonder if we're going to be charged for these new licenses that are
> now mandated.

You have to wonder?

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[Pixel Dent]

In article >,
Jose > wrote:

> > I wonder if anyone is still flying around on a certificate signed by
> > Orville.
>
> I wonder if we're going to be charged for these new licenses that are
> now mandated.
>
> Jose

I assume the same $2 they charge now.

[Jose[_1_]]

>>I wonder if we're going to be charged for these new licenses that are
>> now mandated.
> I assume the same $2 they charge now.

What a racket. I wish I could pass some laws that force people to pay
me. :)

Jose
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[Steve Foley[_2_]]

"Jose" > wrote in message
et...
>>>I wonder if we're going to be charged for these new licenses that are now
>>>mandated.
>> I assume the same $2 they charge now.
>
> What a racket. I wish I could pass some laws that force people to pay me.
> :)

You can pass all the laws you want. Good luck enforcing them, though. :)

[[email protected]]

> >> I assume the same $2 they charge now.

I don't remember paying for mine.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:30:14 -0800, Grumman-581 wrote
(in article >):

> According to today's AvWeb's article for today, it seems that our old
> paper licenses are going to no longer be valid in a couple of years...
> Just as well -- they sucked for scraping frost off the inside of a
> windshield anyway...

Eh, the CFI certificate is good for only two years anyway, so pretty much all
the active CFIs have plastic certificates anyway. And I had to replace the
pilot certificate when I got my pocket picked in the Philippines.

If I had had a certificate signed by Orville, I would have lost it within a
year or two anyway. I move around too much and keep adding ratings. Jeppesen
had a certificate signed by Orville, but he must have been one of the last.

[J. Severyn]

"Jose" > wrote in message
et...
>> I wonder if anyone is still flying around on a certificate signed by
>> Orville.
>
> I wonder if we're going to be charged for these new licenses that are now
> mandated.
>
> Jose

It was free a few years ago....as long as you are changing from your SS# to
an assigned certificate number.
John Severyn
Livermore, Ca.

[Robert M. Gary]

C J Campbell wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:30:14 -0800, Grumman-581 wrote
> (in article >):
>
> > According to today's AvWeb's article for today, it seems that our old
> > paper licenses are going to no longer be valid in a couple of years...
> > Just as well -- they sucked for scraping frost off the inside of a
> > windshield anyway...
>
> Eh, the CFI certificate is good for only two years anyway, so pretty much all
> the active CFIs have plastic certificates anyway. And I had to replace the
> pilot certificate when I got my pocket picked in the Philippines.

When you renew your CFI certificate if you don't already have a new
pilot's certificate one is automatically sent. The new certificates
don't include SSN so it wouldn't make much sense to send a new CFI
ticket with a new number but still says "valid only with pilot
certificate XXX-XX-XXX" ;)

-Robert

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:31:02 -0800, in
. com>,
wrote:
> I don't remember paying for mine.

They offered them for free awhile back... Don't know if they still do...

Hell, I figure that the reason that they really switched was that it was
getting difficult to find crappy quality 9-pin dot matrix printers with
which to print the old paper licenses... Used to be that if it looked too
good, it had to be a fake...

And with the new remotely readable e-Passports, I can see a market for
lead lined passport holders... Seems that the government can't leave
things alone... Can't resist the opportunity to change something that's
not broke... ****in' politicians and bureaucrats...

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

> "Jose" > wrote in message
> et...
>>> I wonder if anyone is still flying around on a certificate signed by
>>> Orville.
>>

Not me. Mine was signed by Alexander P. Butterfield - whoever that was.

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[Mxsmanic]

Grumman-581 writes:

> And with the new remotely readable e-Passports, I can see a market for
> lead lined passport holders...

Aluminum would work better. The holders have to be conductive, not
opaque to X rays.

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[Gary[_2_]]

I just received my plastic certificate in today's mail. I passed my
PP-ASEL checkride on Nov 5, so this is the first certificate for me.
Opening the envelope to find it brought a huge smile to my face.

Have they been issuing the plastic certificates for long? I was
expecting paper, until I saw the AVWeb article yesterday. The letter
that came with my certificate said the FAA had been issuing paper
certificates since 1926,

It's got a magnetic strip on the back...I wonder what's encoded
there...

Gary

[Jim Macklin]

Get one now, just report your current certificate missing
and ask that all certificates you now hold have the SSN
removed. They will replace them all, with a single common
FAA number.



"Jose" > wrote in message
et...
|> I wonder if anyone is still flying around on a
certificate signed by
| > Orville.
|
| I wonder if we're going to be charged for these new
licenses that are
| now mandated.
|
| Jose
| --
| He who laughs, lasts.
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jose[_1_]]

> Get one now, just report your current certificate missing...

Nah. I'll just go for my commercial rating.

Actually I started that, stopped when the arrow I was using developed a
problem with the prop governer (it is the shortest flight in my logbook)
and I got sidetracked onto other things. Maybe I'll go back and finish
it up.

Jose
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[BT]

I did not pay for mine either... I just upgraded my ratings..

oh.. well.. in a way I guess you could say I paid something..
BT

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>> >> I assume the same $2 they charge now.
>
> I don't remember paying for mine.
>

[Danny Deger]

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
...
> According to today's AvWeb's article for today, it seems that our old
> paper licenses are going to no longer be valid in a couple of years...
> Just as well -- they sucked for scraping frost off the inside of a
> windshield anyway...

Does anyone have information on the process to get one?

Danny Deger

[Pixel Dent]

In article >,
"Danny Deger" > wrote:

> "Grumman-581" > wrote in message
> ...
> > According to today's AvWeb's article for today, it seems that our old
> > paper licenses are going to no longer be valid in a couple of years...
> > Just as well -- they sucked for scraping frost off the inside of a
> > windshield anyway...
>
> Does anyone have information on the process to get one?
>
> Danny Deger

You can do it online

http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/certificate
_replacement/

[[email protected]]

Gary > wrote:
> It's got a magnetic strip on the back...I wonder what's encoded
> there...

At a guess, the certificate number and your name. If it's encoded in a
standard format, there is room for at least (basically) 40 numbers-only
characters and 79 numbers-or-letters characters. If it's a "narrow"
stripe - about 5/16" or 8 mm wide - that's all it's got. If it's a
"wide" stripe - about 1/2" or 13 mm wide - there is an additional track
of 107 numbers-only characters. Reference
http://www.repairfaq.org/filipg/LINK/F_Phrack_Mag.html .

A few years back, I got a card reader and hooked it up to my PC and
looked at was on my cards. Credit cards follow a fairly standard format
but other cards vary. I had a driver's license with a mag stripe and it
had the driver's license number in the numbers-only field and my name in
the numbers-or-letters field. If I remember right, there was also some
kind of location in the numbers-or-letters field - not my complete
address but a zip code or county abbreviation, something like that.

One problem with trying to read the data on your own cards is that if
you don't own the hardware yourself or you don't know how to hook it up,
you have to really, really trust whoever owns the hardware or is helping
you hook it up.

Matt Roberds

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 20:30:57 -0500, in
>, Bob Noel
wrote:
> It's a proposed rule, published in the 5 January Federal Register

<snip-1090-or-so-lines>

Yeah, just like the ****in' government -- takes around 1,090 lines to try
to fix something that's not broke...

[Marty Shapiro]

"Danny Deger" > wrote in
:

>
> "Grumman-581" > wrote in message
> ...
>> According to today's AvWeb's article for today, it seems that our old
>> paper licenses are going to no longer be valid in a couple of years...
>> Just as well -- they sucked for scraping frost off the inside of a
>> windshield anyway...
>
> Does anyone have information on the process to get one?
>
> Danny Deger
>
>
>

Go to http://www.faa.gov and then select "Licenses & Certificates". You
will find complete directions to do this either by mail, or if you
register, online. If you have a paper certificate which uses your SSN as
your certificate number it is FREE to request a new certificate with an
assigned certirficate number unrelated to your SSN. Otherwise, it will
cost you $2.

The issue date will be changed to the date they process your replacement
certificate.

---
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

[Matt Barrow]

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 20:30:57 -0500, in
> >, Bob Noel
> wrote:
>> It's a proposed rule, published in the 5 January Federal Register
>
> <snip-1090-or-so-lines>
>
> Yeah, just like the ****in' government -- takes around 1,090 lines to try
> to fix something that's not broke...

Or, like the 16,000 pages for the NAFTA treaty, which should have been
condensed to "Have at it". But then it would _really_ been "Free Trade", not
the scam it turned out to be.

[Gary[_2_]]

wrote:
> Gary > wrote:
> > It's got a magnetic strip on the back...I wonder what's encoded
> > there...
>
> At a guess, the certificate number and your name. If it's encoded in a
> standard format, there is room for at least (basically) 40 numbers-only
> characters and 79 numbers-or-letters characters. If it's a "narrow"
> stripe - about 5/16" or 8 mm wide - that's all it's got. If it's a
> "wide" stripe - about 1/2" or 13 mm wide - there is an additional track
> of 107 numbers-only characters. Reference
> http://www.repairfaq.org/filipg/LINK/F_Phrack_Mag.html .


It's the narrow, 8 mm strip.

I wonder who's going to be scanning the card, and why?

[Gary[_2_]]

wrote:
> Gary > wrote:
> > It's got a magnetic strip on the back...I wonder what's encoded
> > there...
>
> At a guess, the certificate number and your name. If it's encoded in a
> standard format, there is room for at least (basically) 40 numbers-only
> characters and 79 numbers-or-letters characters. If it's a "narrow"
> stripe - about 5/16" or 8 mm wide - that's all it's got. If it's a
> "wide" stripe - about 1/2" or 13 mm wide - there is an additional track
> of 107 numbers-only characters. Reference
> http://www.repairfaq.org/filipg/LINK/F_Phrack_Mag.html .


It's the narrow, 8 mm strip.

I wonder who's going to be scanning the card, and why?

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Danny Deger wrote:

> Does anyone have information on the process to get one?
>


http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/certificate_replacement/

[[email protected]]

The Canadian government has just announced that pilot and
mechanic's licenses will be issued in a form similar to a passport
booklet, complete with picture and other security features, and
separate pages for various ratings or whatever. Everyone should have
one by mid-2008, IIRC. We've had the plastic AME license for some time
now. Pilot licenses are still paper.
But that booklet isn't going to fit in my wallet. More stuff to
pack around separately :-(

Dan

[Jim Macklin]

And a smuggler of drugs, a terrorist or just a "good old
boy" in Alaska doesn't need a pilots certificate just to fly
an airplane. But government agents act as though just
passing some law or rule solves the problem.



> wrote in message
oups.com...
|
| The Canadian government has just announced that pilot
and
| mechanic's licenses will be issued in a form similar to a
passport
| booklet, complete with picture and other security
features, and
| separate pages for various ratings or whatever. Everyone
should have
| one by mid-2008, IIRC. We've had the plastic AME license
for some time
| now. Pilot licenses are still paper.
| But that booklet isn't going to fit in my wallet.
More stuff to
| pack around separately :-(
|
| Dan
|