For all those who think flying on an airline is better than GA.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16565583/

[Kevin Clarke]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16565583/
>
that was my thought when they ran this story on NBC news last night.
There is a "discontinuity" in the flight if you look at flightaware.com.
What was the date 12/29?

American Airlines 1348

What a mess, did American just forget about this plane? What would
explain that situation?

KC

[Peter R.]

Gig 601XL Builder <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote:

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16565583/

I thought you were posting this story, which also fits under this thread:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16559171/


--
Peter

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Kevin Clarke wrote:
> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16565583/
>>
> that was my thought when they ran this story on NBC news last night.
> There is a "discontinuity" in the flight if you look at
> flightaware.com. What was the date 12/29?
>
> American Airlines 1348
>
> What a mess, did American just forget about this plane? What would
> explain that situation?
>
> KC

Assuming they didn't change out the crew wouldn't there be a violation
there?

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Peter R. wrote:
> Gig 601XL Builder <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote:
>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16565583/
>
> I thought you were posting this story, which also fits under this
> thread:
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16559171/

I think I'd rather have a scorpion sting me than be stuck on that plane for
that long on the ground.

[James Robinson]

"Peter R." > wrote:

> Gig 601XL Builder <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote:
>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16565583/
>
> I thought you were posting this story, which also fits under this thread:
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16559171/

That's the second one this week. Here's another story of a scorpion
stinging a passenger, on an American airlines flight this time, out of
Miami.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16549631/

Border Protection obviously isn't doing its job, or Al Quada is using
trained arachnids to terrorize the US.

[Gene Seibel]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16565583/

Last month I spent two days in a terminal and 9 hours on two different
planes on the ramp to make it from St Louis to Phoenix in 39 hours.
First day was due to weather. Second day was due totally to airline
mismanagement, incompetence, and cluelessness. Our pilot finally
learned that the flight was cancelled from a passenger. Airline
bureaucracy can not handle changes. Pilots aren't even in the loop.
--
Gene Seibel
Gene & Sue's Flying Machine - http://pad39a.com/gene/
Because we fly, we envy no one.

[Mxsmanic]

Gene Seibel writes:

> Last month I spent two days in a terminal and 9 hours on two different
> planes on the ramp to make it from St Louis to Phoenix in 39 hours.
> First day was due to weather. Second day was due totally to airline
> mismanagement, incompetence, and cluelessness. Our pilot finally
> learned that the flight was cancelled from a passenger. Airline
> bureaucracy can not handle changes. Pilots aren't even in the loop.

What was the name of the airline?

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[NW_Pilot]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in message
...
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16565583/
>
>
>

The sad thing is most the people on that flight will fly AA again! Like
leaving a TIP for bad service!

[vincent p. norris]

Passengers do not FLY on the airlines. They RIDE. Only the pilot and
copilot FLY.

Next time you hear a friend say "I'm flying to ........." tell him,
"Like hell you are; you're just RIDING!"

vince norris

[Steve Foley[_2_]]

"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
...
> Passengers do not FLY on the airlines. They RIDE. Only the pilot and
> copilot FLY.
>
> Next time you hear a friend say "I'm flying to ........." tell him,
> "Like hell you are; you're just RIDING!"
>
> vince norris

I think there was a George Carlin bit that went...


I'm going for a DRIVE,

You're going for a RIDE.

[Buck Murdock]

In article >,
vincent p. norris > wrote:

> Passengers do not FLY on the airlines. They RIDE. Only the pilot and
> copilot FLY.

Thank you. The same goes for the Flight Attendants, too. When I ask
what you do, and you say you "Fly for American Airlines," you're BSing
me if you're a flight attendant. You're an FA; you don't FLY for
anybody.

[Gene Seibel]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Gene Seibel writes:
>
> > Last month I spent two days in a terminal and 9 hours on two different
> > planes on the ramp to make it from St Louis to Phoenix in 39 hours.
> > First day was due to weather. Second day was due totally to airline
> > mismanagement, incompetence, and cluelessness. Our pilot finally
> > learned that the flight was cancelled from a passenger. Airline
> > bureaucracy can not handle changes. Pilots aren't even in the loop.
>
> What was the name of the airline?

Southwest
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.

[Jay Beckman]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
...
> "vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Passengers do not FLY on the airlines. They RIDE. Only the pilot and
>> copilot FLY.
>>
>> Next time you hear a friend say "I'm flying to ........." tell him,
>> "Like hell you are; you're just RIDING!"
>>
>> vince norris
>
> I think there was a George Carlin bit that went...
>
>
> I'm going for a DRIVE,
>
> You're going for a RIDE.
>

IIRC his line was:

"You can ride "on" the airplane if you want but me, I'm riding *IN* the
f*ckin' airplane..."

Carry On...

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

[Mxsmanic]

vincent p. norris writes:

> Passengers do not FLY on the airlines. They RIDE. Only the pilot and
> copilot FLY.

Or at least only the pilot and copilot feel compelled to make this
specious distinction.

They are all in the plane; they are all flying. You may be confusing
flying with piloting. The piloting is handled by the FMS.

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[Mxsmanic]

Buck Murdock writes:

> Thank you. The same goes for the Flight Attendants, too. When I ask
> what you do, and you say you "Fly for American Airlines," you're BSing
> me if you're a flight attendant. You're an FA; you don't FLY for
> anybody.

I'm sure a sea change will be forthcoming in public attitudes thanks
to your "corrections."

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[Matt Barrow]

vincent p. norris > wrote:
>
> Passengers do not FLY on the airlines. They RIDE. Only the pilot and
> copilot FLY.

Everybody flies; the pilot and co-pilot PILOT the plane.

[Jon]

Jay Beckman wrote:
> "Steve Foley" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Passengers do not FLY on the airlines. They RIDE. Only the pilot and
> >> copilot FLY.
> >>
> >> Next time you hear a friend say "I'm flying to ........." tell him,
> >> "Like hell you are; you're just RIDING!"
> >>
> >> vince norris
> >
> > I think there was a George Carlin bit that went...
> >
> >
> > I'm going for a DRIVE,
> >
> > You're going for a RIDE.
> >
>
> IIRC his line was:
>
> "You can ride "on" the airplane if you want but me, I'm riding *IN* the
> f*ckin' airplane..."
>
> Carry On...

Great skit!

Just dug up an MP3 I have of it.

"Which brings me to "Terminal." Another unfortunate word to be used in
association with Air Travel. And they use it all over the airport,
don't they? Somehow, I just can't hungry at a place called the
"Terminal Snack Bar." But if you've ever eaten there, you know it is an
appropriate name"

> Jay Beckman
> PP-ASEL
> Chandler, AZ

Regards,
Jon

[Gene Seibel]

vincent p. norris wrote:
> Passengers do not FLY on the airlines. They RIDE. Only the pilot and
> copilot FLY.
>
> Next time you hear a friend say "I'm flying to ........." tell him,
> "Like hell you are; you're just RIDING!"
>
> vince norris

Does a baseball fly through the air? ;)
--
Gene Seibel
Tales of Flight - http://pad39a.com/gene/tales.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.

[Bush]

Apparently the new Chief of American failed to read about the
Northwest Airlines and the Detroit Snowstorm : Class-Action Status Is
Granted to Suits over Northwest Delay. This cluster took place in a
blizzard on Thanksgiving day, 1998 If memory serves where the only
operation was an outbound when the airport closed all ops during taxi.
With all gates occupied, the crew elected to sit on the ramp for eight
hours, holding all passengers captive. No water, ice, and the cans
overflowed as passengers threatened the entire crew.

This single event set a new precedent so I really can't understand why
someone didn't make the call and find a hardstand and a couple of
busses and relieve AA from what is going to happen. It's like they
forgot about that little jet since DFW had been open for hours.

I have been flying the line for a long time and you know I wouldn't
put myself or my crew through that crap in any way, shape, or form.
This may sound rather self-centered but when I take the keys to that
aircraft I take very good care of myself, and everyone else behind
that door.

Funny since MSNBC just aired that AA piece with Peter Greenburg since
the Street was closed today.

Have a great one!

Bush

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:54:11 -0600, "Gig 601XL Builder"
<wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote:

>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16565583/
>
>

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:54:11 -0800, Gig 601XL Builder wrote
(in article >):

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16565583/
>
>
>

IIRC Klyde Morris was stuck in Denver for four days and was forced to live
aboard a Hawker, surviving only on crackers and water. By the time they got
out of there the other pilot was threatening to eat him. :-)

The last time this happened Dave Barry suggested that if we ever catch Osama
bin Laden (or his Gungan deputy, Jar-Jar Binks Laden "All Yousa People Gonna
Die!" -- but I digress) he knew exactly what to do with them: put them on one
of these flights from Hell with a 2-year old in the seat behind them and a
colicky baby in front. The 2-year old will kick the seat back, of course.