Airline pilot dies after takeoff

[Mxsmanic]

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/01/20/pilot.dies.ap/index.html

So much for first-class medicals.

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[Viperdoc[_4_]]

Airline pilots don't necessarily need first class medicals. The requirements
are company specific.

[[email protected]]

I believe the 1st class is optional for the co-pilot, but I thought
that a 1st class was required by the FAA for the captain.
IE to excercise the ATP privlegs one needs a 1st class.

Paul

[[email protected]]

wrote:
> I believe the 1st class is optional for the co-pilot, but I thought
> that a 1st class was required by the FAA for the captain.
> IE to excercise the ATP privlegs one needs a 1st class.
>
> Paul

Yes, that is correct. To exercise ATP privelages one must have a 1sst
class med. A 2nd class is required to exercise commercial privelages
(e.g. non-ATP). Most airlines require both Capt. and FO to have 1st
class meds though.

[Robert M. Gary]

Some aircraft require an ATP to be PIC by certification.

Viperdoc wrote:
> Airline pilots don't necessarily need first class medicals. The requirements
> are company specific.

[Steve Foley[_2_]]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> wrote:
>> I believe the 1st class is optional for the co-pilot, but I thought
>> that a 1st class was required by the FAA for the captain.
>> IE to excercise the ATP privlegs one needs a 1st class.
>>
>> Paul
>
> Yes, that is correct. To exercise ATP privelages one must have a 1sst
> class med. A 2nd class is required to exercise commercial privelages
> (e.g. non-ATP). Most airlines require both Capt. and FO to have 1st
> class meds though.
>

I can picture the FAA putting the FO through the wringer because he
exercised ATP privileges (landing the plane safely) without a valid first
class medical.

I still can't see how anybody can gather enough information from a news
article to determine that this event has anything to do with a first class
medical.

[[email protected]]

Steve Foley wrote:
>
> I still can't see how anybody can gather enough information from a news
> article to determine that this event has anything to do with a first class
> medical.

I agree. Mx shooting his mouth off again.

[Gene Seibel]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/01/20/pilot.dies.ap/index.html
>
> So much for first-class medicals.

No doctor can guarentee you'll be alive in an hour, let alone 6 months.
Best that can be done is weed out a little risk.
--
Gene Seibel
Tales of Flight - http://pad39a.com/gene/tales.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.

[Mxsmanic]

Steve Foley writes:

> I still can't see how anybody can gather enough information from a news
> article to determine that this event has anything to do with a first class
> medical.

The idea of a first-class medical is that it prevents the kind of
event that makes a pilot too ill to fly the plane.

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[Steve Foley[_2_]]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Steve Foley writes:
>
>> I still can't see how anybody can gather enough information from a news
>> article to determine that this event has anything to do with a first
>> class
>> medical.
>
> The idea of a first-class medical is that it prevents the kind of
> event that makes a pilot too ill to fly the plane.

Please tell me EXACTLY what kind of event made this pilot too ill to fly,
and what kind of test is commonly used to detect this event.

[george]

Mxsmanic wrote:

> Steve Foley writes:
>
> > I still can't see how anybody can gather enough information from a news
> > article to determine that this event has anything to do with a first class
> > medical.
>
> The idea of a first-class medical is that it prevents the kind of
> event that makes a pilot too ill to fly the plane.
>
Crap.
Are you claiming that a medical examination is going to prevent a
stroke or a coronary event?
Or any of the different forms of shock or food or other poisoning
If so I have this bridge you might be interested in...

Its time you got into a real aeroplane and began to learn how to fly

[Morgans]

"george" > wrote

> Crap.
> Are you claiming that a medical examination is going to prevent a
> stroke or a coronary event?
> Or any of the different forms of shock or food or other poisoning
> If so I have this bridge you might be interested in...

Com'on, people!

You're playing into his hands-playing his game.
--
Jim in NC

[Peter Dohm]

> The idea of a first-class medical is that it prevents the kind of
> event that makes a pilot too ill to fly the plane.
>
The reasoning and criteria for medical certification can be found on the FAA
website at no cost to you, either real or simulated. In addition, the
equivalent for the European Union is sure to be available in like manner.

Go, read up, become a simulated medical examiner, and report back.

[Kev]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Steve Foley writes:
>
> > I still can't see how anybody can gather enough information from a news
> > article to determine that this event has anything to do with a first class
> > medical.
>
> The idea of a first-class medical is that it prevents the kind of
> event that makes a pilot too ill to fly the plane.

Prevent, no. Nothing can do that. Weed out those with obvious or
potential problems, yes, hopefully.

Bad timing, however, what with the retirement age limit up in the air.

Kev

[Gary[_2_]]

> Are you claiming that a medical examination is going to prevent a
> stroke or a coronary event?
> Or any of the different forms of shock or food or other poisoning
> If so I have this bridge you might be interested in...
>
> Its time you got into a real aeroplane and began to learn how to fly

No need to bring reality into this. MX has spent hundreds of hours
with his medical simulator, and it's 100% accurate. If the simulator
doesn't tell you otherwise, the pilot is good to go...


....but if you get a little sloppy removing the funny bone, the buzzer
goes off and the nose lights up! Sure signs of a failed medical.

[Gary[_2_]]

> Are you claiming that a medical examination is going to prevent a
> stroke or a coronary event?
> Or any of the different forms of shock or food or other poisoning
> If so I have this bridge you might be interested in...
>
> Its time you got into a real aeroplane and began to learn how to fly

No need to bring reality into this. MX has spent hundreds of hours
with his medical simulator, and it's 100% accurate. If the simulator
doesn't tell you otherwise, the pilot is good to go...


....but if you get a little sloppy removing the funny bone, the buzzer
goes off and the nose lights up! Sure signs of a failed medical.

[george]

Gary wrote:

> > Are you claiming that a medical examination is going to prevent a
> > stroke or a coronary event?
> > Or any of the different forms of shock or food or other poisoning
> > If so I have this bridge you might be interested in...
> >
> > Its time you got into a real aeroplane and began to learn how to fly
>
> No need to bring reality into this. MX has spent hundreds of hours
> with his medical simulator, and it's 100% accurate. If the simulator
> doesn't tell you otherwise, the pilot is good to go...
>
>
> ...but if you get a little sloppy removing the funny bone, the buzzer
> goes off and the nose lights up! Sure signs of a failed medical.

ROTFL you owe mw a keyboard

[Judah]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/01/20/pilot.dies.ap/index.html
>
> So much for first-class medicals.
>

http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/9/operation-game.jpg

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Steve Foley wrote:
>> Yes, that is correct. To exercise ATP privelages one must have a 1sst
>> class med. A 2nd class is required to exercise commercial privelages
>> (e.g. non-ATP). Most airlines require both Capt. and FO to have 1st
>> class meds though.
>>
>
> I can picture the FAA putting the FO through the wringer because he
> exercised ATP privileges (landing the plane safely) without a valid first
> class medical.


Huh? I have a buddy who's going through the upgrade program right now at Mesa.
He's been flying for quite some time for them with a commercial license and a
first class physical as a FO. When he passes his checkride, he'll be upgraded
to captain as well as get his ATP with a ERJ type rating.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Richard]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Steve Foley writes:
>
>> I still can't see how anybody can gather enough information from a news
>> article to determine that this event has anything to do with a first
>> class
>> medical.
>
> The idea of a first-class medical is that it prevents the kind of
> event that makes a pilot too ill to fly the plane.
>
A first-class medical is basically a visual check. The next step, to be more
thorough, would be an autopsy. I'd recomend you having one.

[Jay Beckman]

"Richard" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Steve Foley writes:
>>
>>> I still can't see how anybody can gather enough information from a news
>>> article to determine that this event has anything to do with a first
>>> class
>>> medical.
>>
>> The idea of a first-class medical is that it prevents the kind of
>> event that makes a pilot too ill to fly the plane.
>>
> A first-class medical is basically a visual check. The next step, to be
> more thorough, would be an autopsy. I'd recomend you having one.
>
>

Let's not be overly optimistic...

How about we start with a CAT scan and see if nothing turns up.

Jay B

[Mxsmanic]

Steve Foley writes:

> Please tell me EXACTLY what kind of event made this pilot too ill to fly,
> and what kind of test is commonly used to detect this event.

The most recent report on the event speculated that he had a heart
attack, exactly the kind of event that the first-class medical is
designed to preclude. That's supposedly why the FAA is paranoid about
things like hypertension.

In reality, heart attacks are much more difficult to predict, and
judging by statistics for auto accidents, heart attacks while
operating vehicles are rare, even for people at risk.

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[Mxsmanic]

george writes:

> Are you claiming that a medical examination is going to prevent a
> stroke or a coronary event?

No, that is the FAA's fantasy, not mine.

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[Mxsmanic]

Peter Dohm writes:

> The reasoning and criteria for medical certification can be found on the FAA
> website at no cost to you, either real or simulated.

I can see the criteria, but not the reasoning.

> In addition, the equivalent for the European Union is sure to be available
> in like manner.

I care nothing about the European Union.

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[Mxsmanic]

Kev writes:

> Prevent, no. Nothing can do that. Weed out those with obvious or
> potential problems, yes, hopefully.

How many people at risk for heart attacks have one at the wheel of a
car?

A pilot at risk for a heart attack is actually more likely to
experience one in the toilet.

> Bad timing, however, what with the retirement age limit up in the air.

Yes. Reason is rarely allow to interfere with emotion.

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[Steve Foley[_2_]]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Steve Foley writes:
>
>> Please tell me EXACTLY what kind of event made this pilot too ill to fly,
>> and what kind of test is commonly used to detect this event.
>
> The most recent report on the event speculated that he had a heart
> attack

So you don't know.

[mad8]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Steve Foley writes:
>
> > I still can't see how anybody can gather enough information from a news
> > article to determine that this event has anything to do with a first class
> > medical.
>
> The idea of a first-class medical is that it prevents the kind of
> event that makes a pilot too ill to fly the plane.
>
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dude, seriously, do you believe the crap you write yourself, or do you
just bang on the keyboard?

[Mxsmanic]

Steve Foley writes:

> So you don't know.

The common causes of rapid death are not that great in number, and
cardiovascular incidents are high on the list.

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[Steve Foley]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Steve Foley writes:
>
>> So you don't know.
>
> The common causes of rapid death are not that great in number, and
> cardiovascular incidents are high on the list.

SO YOU DON'T KNOW.

This ends my last effort to attempt to be reasonable with you. You are
spewing mis-information, and refuse to acknowledge the facts.

[Newps]

Mxsmanic wrote:

>
> The most recent report on the event speculated that he had a heart
> attack, exactly the kind of event that the first-class medical is
> designed to preclude.

As usual, nonsense.

[Guy Elden Jr]

> > I still can't see how anybody can gather enough information from a news
> > article to determine that this event has anything to do with a first class
> > medical.
>
> The idea of a first-class medical is that it prevents the kind of
> event that makes a pilot too ill to fly the plane.

The idea that a medical checkup of any kind "prevents" disease or
conditions of any nature is stupid and ludicrous.

--
Guy

[Guy Elden Jr]

> How many people at risk for heart attacks have one at the wheel of a
> car?
>
> A pilot at risk for a heart attack is actually more likely to
> experience one in the toilet.

And even more likely to experience one at an airport.

[Mxsmanic]

Guy Elden Jr writes:

> And even more likely to experience one at an airport.

And thus _really_ likely to experience one in an airport toilet.

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[Mxsmanic]

Guy Elden Jr writes:

> The idea that a medical checkup of any kind "prevents" disease or
> conditions of any nature is stupid and ludicrous.

I said events, not diseases or conditions.

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[Barney Rubble]

Just admit you don't know any more than anyone else on this board, why is it
so hard to admit you are wrong?

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Steve Foley writes:
>
>> So you don't know.
>
> The common causes of rapid death are not that great in number, and
> cardiovascular incidents are high on the list.
>
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[Mxsmanic]

Barney Rubble writes:

> Just admit you don't know any more than anyone else on this board ...

I've never claimed to know more than anyone else.

> ... why is it so hard to admit you are wrong?

How do you know I'm wrong?

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