Icy Runways

[Jay Honeck]

Here are a few pix of our icy taxiways here in Iowa City, for you guys
who don't normally see this stuff:

http://alexisparkinn.com/2007_icyflighttogrinnell.htm

We've received another 5" of snow since those pix were taken. Winter
came late this year, but it's here with a vengeance now.

Bonus pic: I snapped a picture of the awesome Cadillac Courtesy Car in
Grinnell (GGI), IA. I'm still amazed...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:


>
> Bonus pic: I snapped a picture of the awesome Cadillac Courtesy Car in
> Grinnell (GGI), IA. I'm still amazed...


Bah, a new Caddy. You want cool? You fly to Helena, MT; and stop at
Becks U Pump and they have a late 70's Caddy there for you to take.
It's about 30 feet long and painted gold. Now that's a courtesy car,
one of three available at no charge.

[BT]

Reminds me of the time...

It was January, we had left AUG for Moosehead Lake, we were searching for an
old saw mill and old Steam Locomotive lost in the Maine Woods.. January
would be best time.. no leaves on the trees.. we were looking on Brassua
Lake, on the outlet with the Moose River.

We did not find the Locomotive, but the whole time I was thinking.. if this
engine dies... I'll land on Moosehead Lake, we can open the doors and sail
it to Greenville on the solid smooth ice. I had flown over the lake on the
way up and I knew it was solid all the way into the harbor at Greenville,
the outside temp was on the double digit minus side of 0F.

The engine held up, and we landed at Greenville to warm up and stretch our
legs. Not to bad there on the runway, but we had to roll over a small ice
hill to get onto the taxi way, a berm left by the snow plow that was solid
ice, that should have been a clue. And then the fun started, the taxiway was
patchy ice but maneuverable. The RAMP was SHEET ICE, we were sailing, made
me think of docking maneuvers on water with floats as we maneuvered past the
DC-3 on Amphib Floats.

The place looked deserted, so we kept safely moving back to the runway, we
knew we had enough fuel to return, so we left, headed back to AUG.

The plane was a trusty Beech Sundowner.

BT

Ok, I can't resist. Then there was the time landing in MHT. Tower had
reported braking action poor. I landed an Arrow with the crosswind and was
sliding in the crab to maintain centerline with the winds.. I did not like
that. Got it straightened out before I hit a bare patch. Taxied in and
talked with the tower. The next aircraft in was a Delta DC-9 inbound on the
ILS. Tower Reports: "Braking action reported poor by a fuel truck, Reported
NIL by an Arrow.

And people wonder why I moved to the Desert SW.
Winds today, 20G40.

BT

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Here are a few pix of our icy taxiways here in Iowa City, for you guys
> who don't normally see this stuff:
>
> http://alexisparkinn.com/2007_icyflighttogrinnell.htm
>
> We've received another 5" of snow since those pix were taken. Winter
> came late this year, but it's here with a vengeance now.
>
> Bonus pic: I snapped a picture of the awesome Cadillac Courtesy Car in
> Grinnell (GGI), IA. I'm still amazed...
>
> ;-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Jay Honeck]

> And people wonder why I moved to the Desert SW.
> Winds today, 20G40.

Icy runways or taxiways are definitely not fun. Flyling on icy runways
makes one truly appreciate the stoutness of fixed landing gear.

When you can't do a run-up without sliding, you know it's gonna be a
fun flight...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Peter R.]

On 1/22/2007 7:55:46 AM, "Jay Honeck" wrote:

> Flyling on icy runways
> makes one truly appreciate the stoutness of fixed landing gear.

And conversely, inadvertently flying through icy clouds makes one truly
appreciate the fact that the gear is tucked neatly away in the wings. :)


--
Peter

[Doug[_1_]]

I've lived in Colorado and this is the snowiest and iciest, in terms of
snow STAYING on the roads and on the fields that I can recall. Usually
we get a good melt within two weeks and the snow is gone. Not this
time. We've had 4' of snow fall, and over a foot (compacted and melted)
is still on the grass with over 2' piled high next to the snowplowed
roads. This place looks like a ski town!

Runways are icy too!

So much for global warming! They are saying the snowcover is what is
keeping us from getting into the 50's during the days like we usually
do....

[Newps]

> On 1/22/2007 7:55:46 AM, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
>
>
>>Flyling on icy runways
>>makes one truly appreciate the stoutness of fixed landing gear.



If in fact your fixed landing gear is stout. I would much rather be in
my Bo than in say a Cessna 120, 140, 170, 180, 185, Luscombe, etc.
There's a good reason the Pponk people came out with a gear mod for some
of those those planes.

[Jay Honeck]

> So much for global warming! They are saying the snowcover is what is
> keeping us from getting into the 50's during the days like we usually
> do....

Yep, that's true. Iowa was enjoying a very warm winter, until these
last two snow storms. Since then, it's been right back to normal
winter temperatures.

Once you've got a layer of white ice reflecting away all the solar
heat, the temperature can just plummet.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> If in fact your fixed landing gear is stout. I would much rather be in
> my Bo than in say a Cessna 120, 140, 170, 180, 185, Luscombe, etc.
> There's a good reason the Pponk people came out with a gear mod for some
> of those those planes.

Well, generally speaking, a structure that is designed to fold is going
to be inherently weaker than one that is not. There are certainly ways
to minimize this problem, but a solid piece of steel is going to be
stronger than a similar-sized one that has a hinge (or three) built
into it.

I know I've seen Cherokees and Cessnas survive some hellacious
landings, completely unscathed. One in particular scared the crap out
of me (I was a passenger in the back seat) when we stalled and dropped
it in from ten feet above the runway in a Cherokee 180.

I was astounded to note that the landing gear was not poking up through
the wings, as we rolled to a VERY short stop...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>
> Once you've got a layer of white ice reflecting away all the solar
> heat, the temperature can just plummet.



The snow cover has little, if anything, to do with the daytime temps and
nothing at all with nighttime temps.

[Mxsmanic]

Newps writes:

> The snow cover has little, if anything, to do with the daytime temps and
> nothing at all with nighttime temps.

Tell that to people in Greenland and Siberia.

--
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[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>
> Well, generally speaking, a structure that is designed to fold is going
> to be inherently weaker than one that is not.


No, absolutely not. The Cessna 180/185 gear is famous for folding under
the plane if the plane gets sideways. And that's what we're talking
about, getting sideways. If you're just talking about the standard
vertical loads than I still want my Bo gear rather than the 182 I used
to have. The Bo is much more stout than it needs to be whereas the 182
is merely stout enough. That's why during a prepurchase for a 182 you
better look at the main gear attach points. My 182 had that area
repaired after a hard landing decades ago. You don't run into those
problems with a Bo and as a rule retracts don't fold a gear because of a
hard landing.



There are certainly ways
> to minimize this problem, but a solid piece of steel is going to be
> stronger than a similar-sized one that has a hinge (or three) built
> into it.

You really need to see how the gear is attached to the plane. It's not
the leg that breaks but the connection to the airframe.

[Newps]

Mxsmanic wrote:

> Newps writes:
>
>
>>The snow cover has little, if anything, to do with the daytime temps and
>>nothing at all with nighttime temps.
>
>
> Tell that to people in Greenland and Siberia.




What for? Melt all the snow there and the temp would remain largely
unchanged. Dump all that snow on the Virgin Islands and the temp would
remain the same.

[Mxsmanic]

Newps writes:

> What for? Melt all the snow there and the temp would remain largely
> unchanged. Dump all that snow on the Virgin Islands and the temp would
> remain the same.

No, the temperature would change. A large part of surface
temperatures depends on heating from solar radiation, and dark
surfaces absorb more radiation than light surfaces. One reason snow
often lingers for such a long time on the ground is that it reflects a
great deal of the solar radiation that might otherwise melt it if it
were absorbed.

--
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[Jay Honeck]

> The snow cover has little, if anything, to do with the daytime temps and
> nothing at all with nighttime temps.

Wrong. It's been a long time since I took meteorology (OMG: it's been
27 years. Sheesh, I'm getting old...), but I still remember a thing or
three.

And you don't have to chart lapse rates and pressure gradients to prove
it. In your mind simply compare 500,000 square miles of bare land
versus 500,000 miles of ice-covered land. That snow and ice has a
significant impact on temperatures, and the ability of the sun to warm
the land.

Even when a warm front moves in from the south, that snow keeps surface
temperatures quite a bit lower. In short, the impact of a region-wide
snow cover (like has happened in the upper Midwest over the last two
weeks) is felt immediately.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Roger[_4_]]

Icy Runways... The true proof of whether a pilot's landing and take
off techniques are good.<:-))

Right now the only place I could get enough traction to do a runup
would be in the hangar.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger[_4_]]

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:27:15 -0700, Newps > wrote:

>
>
>Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>>
>> Once you've got a layer of white ice reflecting away all the solar
>> heat, the temperature can just plummet.
>
>
>
>The snow cover has little, if anything, to do with the daytime temps and
>nothing at all with nighttime temps.

Snow cover has a lot to do with the temps and how fast they can
change. The lack of snow and ice is why the perma frost line has
moved over 200 miles north and about 20% of the pack ice in the Artic
Ocean has melted. The polar route now exists in the summer.

Snow does two things with temperature. It reflects sunlight instead of
absorbing it for heating. This reflected sunlight is not absorbed by
the atmosphere. It also insulates the ground. The ground can be
frozen two feet down. Put two feet of snow on it and within a week to
10 days the ground will no longer be frozen. That's when you get the
car stuck and instead of finding solid ground undeneath you hit mud.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[john smith]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Here are a few pix of our icy taxiways here in Iowa City, for you guys
> who don't normally see this stuff:

Looks just like the ice "The Little French Girl" slipped on two years
ago and separated her shoulder as she reached out to grab the strut
while preflighting the 182. :-))

[Peter Dohm]

> > Well, generally speaking, a structure that is designed to fold is going
> > to be inherently weaker than one that is not.
>
>
> No, absolutely not. The Cessna 180/185 gear is famous for folding under
> the plane if the plane gets sideways. And that's what we're talking
> about, getting sideways. If you're just talking about the standard
> vertical loads than I still want my Bo gear rather than the 182 I used
> to have. The Bo is much more stout than it needs to be whereas the 182
> is merely stout enough. That's why during a prepurchase for a 182 you
> better look at the main gear attach points. My 182 had that area
> repaired after a hard landing decades ago. You don't run into those
> problems with a Bo and as a rule retracts don't fold a gear because of a
> hard landing.
>
Is is hard to find a stronger system than the Bo's trailing links.

Peter

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>And people wonder why I moved to the Desert SW.
>>Winds today, 20G40.
>
>
> Icy runways or taxiways are definitely not fun. Flyling on icy runways
> makes one truly appreciate the stoutness of fixed landing gear.
>
> When you can't do a run-up without sliding, you know it's gonna be a
> fun flight...

I don't mind icy runways. The ones I don't like are ones that are part
ice and part asphalt. If they are all ice or hard packed snow, you can
make the takeoff and landing roll in a crab and not stress the gear much
at all. It is only if you had a bare patch that things can get ugly. I
used to fly a lot on snow covered runways in fairly strong winds and it
was a piece of cake as long as the runway was ALL snow or ice.


Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>If in fact your fixed landing gear is stout. I would much rather be in
>>my Bo than in say a Cessna 120, 140, 170, 180, 185, Luscombe, etc.
>>There's a good reason the Pponk people came out with a gear mod for some
>>of those those planes.
>
>
> Well, generally speaking, a structure that is designed to fold is going
> to be inherently weaker than one that is not. There are certainly ways
> to minimize this problem, but a solid piece of steel is going to be
> stronger than a similar-sized one that has a hinge (or three) built
> into it.

That is true if you fix the weight to be the same. If weight isn't
constrained, then there is nothing "inherently" stronger in fixed gear
vs. retractable. One can design the gear for any level of strength
desired. I do believe it would be impossible to build a retractable
landing gear as strong as fixed gear using the same materials and weight.

Matt

[Newps]

Peter Dohm wrote:

>>
>
> Is is hard to find a stronger system than the Bo's trailing links.



The Bo doesn't have trailing link gear. It's a standard strut like
you'd see on the nose of a 182.

[Jim Macklin]

Agreed on the patchy runway. When I was a new PP, I was
flying out of SPI in a Beech Musketeer. Runway 22 was icy
and there was no wind. It was a wide runway, 7,000 feet
long used by the ANG F84F.

On landing, after about 500 feet of roll, the airplane yawed
about 40° to the left. I gave it full right rudder and full
power and it straightened out. I was not using any brakes
on the landing, just using the rudder for directional
control and letting distance slow the airplane.

When I got to the ramp and did a post-flight inspection I
found a big flat spot on the left tire [which was brand
new]. It had gone through 4 or 5 plies of the 6 ply tire.

What happened wasn't crosswind, it was a brake malfunction
that resulted in an AD note for the parking brake valve
vibration into the applied position while in-flight.

On the icy runway, the sliding locked wheel just slide and
the unlocked wheel was probably rolling. But when it hit a
dry spot the plane yawed, the tire almost blew and an AD was
born.



"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
| Jay Honeck wrote:
| >>And people wonder why I moved to the Desert SW.
| >>Winds today, 20G40.
| >
| >
| > Icy runways or taxiways are definitely not fun. Flyling
on icy runways
| > makes one truly appreciate the stoutness of fixed
landing gear.
| >
| > When you can't do a run-up without sliding, you know
it's gonna be a
| > fun flight...
|
| I don't mind icy runways. The ones I don't like are ones
that are part
| ice and part asphalt. If they are all ice or hard packed
snow, you can
| make the takeoff and landing roll in a crab and not stress
the gear much
| at all. It is only if you had a bare patch that things
can get ugly. I
| used to fly a lot on snow covered runways in fairly strong
winds and it
| was a piece of cake as long as the runway was ALL snow or
ice.
|
|
| Matt

[Montblack]

("Newps" wrote)
> The snow cover has little, if anything, to do with the daytime temps and
> nothing at all with nighttime temps.


"Unsend"
"Unsend"


Montblack-ice

[Don Tuite]

Newps may be considering time constants and thermal masses

Don

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:40:03 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
> wrote:

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>
>>The snow cover has little, if anything, to do with the daytime temps and
>>nothing at all with nighttime temps.
>
>I think I gotta disagree with that.
>Here in New England, we get solar radiation of about 500 btu/sq ft/day
>(horizontal plate) in January.
>Snow reflects about 70% of that back into space.
>Green/brown reflect about 30%.
>70% - 30% =40%
>40% of 500 = 200 btu/sq ft/day difference in surface heat.
>A gallon of gas is about 120k btu.
>120k/200 = 600 = sq ft needed to "generate" the heat of a gallon of
>gas over the course of a day.
>
>So the difference in heat gain of snow vs vegitation is about equivalent to
>burning a gallon of gas, over the course of a day, on every 25' x 25' section
>of land.
>
>I find it hard to believe that a gallon of gas burning on every 25' square section
>of Massachusetts would have " little, if anything, to do with the daytime temps"
>
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[Newps]

Nomen Nescio wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> From: Newps >
>
>>The snow cover has little, if anything, to do with the daytime temps and
>>nothing at all with nighttime temps.
>
>
> I think I gotta disagree with that.
> Here in New England, we get solar radiation of about 500 btu/sq ft/day
> (horizontal plate) in January.


You have a website with that information?

[Newps]

Don Tuite wrote:

> Newps may be considering time constants and thermal masses



Ah yep.

[Jay Honeck]

> Looks just like the ice "The Little French Girl" slipped on two years
> ago and separated her shoulder as she reached out to grab the strut
> while preflighting the 182. :-))

Yep. Every year, about this time, we have to re-learn the "duck walk"
so that we don't kill ourselves on the ice...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Roger" > wrote in message
...
<...>
> Right now the only place I could get enough traction to do a runup
> would be in the hangar.

It turns out that that is not always a real good idea...

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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[Peter R.]

On 1/22/2007 6:27:21 PM, Newps wrote:

> The Bo doesn't have trailing link gear. It's a standard strut like
> you'd see on the nose of a 182.

Perhaps he was thinking of the Sundowner?

--
Peter

[Jim Macklin]

The proper term is Solar System Warming. Pluto is getting
warmer as is Mars [permafrost has melted and flowing water
photographed recently], Comet McNaught was brightest in
recent decades, and the Mars Rovers are getting more power
than was expected. The Sun is just getting hotter.



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
|> So much for global warming! They are saying the snowcover
is what is
| > keeping us from getting into the 50's during the days
like we usually
| > do....
|
| Yep, that's true. Iowa was enjoying a very warm winter,
until these
| last two snow storms. Since then, it's been right back to
normal
| winter temperatures.
|
| Once you've got a layer of white ice reflecting away all
the solar
| heat, the temperature can just plummet.
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|

[Montblack]

("Jim Macklin" wrote)
> The proper term is Solar System Warming. Pluto is getting warmer as is
> Mars [permafrost has melted and flowing water photographed recently],
> Comet McNaught was brightest in recent decades, and the Mars Rovers are
> getting more power than was expected. The Sun is just getting hotter.


Yes, but are polar bears drowning on Mars?

(I don't know what that means, but there it is)


Montblack

[Montblack]

("john smith" wrote)
> Looks just like the ice "The Little French Girl" slipped on two years ago
> and separated her shoulder as she reached out to grab the strut while
> preflighting the 182. :-))


"Owwwoui" "Owwwoui"


Montblack

[Jay Beckman]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Jim Macklin" wrote)
>> The proper term is Solar System Warming. Pluto is getting warmer as is
>> Mars [permafrost has melted and flowing water photographed recently],
>> Comet McNaught was brightest in recent decades, and the Mars Rovers are
>> getting more power than was expected. The Sun is just getting hotter.
>
>
> Yes, but are polar bears drowning on Mars?
>
> (I don't know what that means, but there it is)
>
>
> Montblack

http://heresabunnywithapancakeonitshead.com/

;O)

Jay B

[Montblack]

("Jay Beckman" linked)
>> Yes, but are polar bears drowning on Mars?
>>
>> (I don't know what that means, but there it is)

> http://heresabunnywithapancakeonitshead.com/


It's not like I was waffling on the subject, or anything.


Montblackberry-syrup
A bunny flies through the window ...with a pancake on her head:
"Thank you God."

Parade Scene in "Animal House" (1978)

[Roger[_4_]]

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:32:16 -0500, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea
Hawk at wow way d0t com> wrote:

>"Roger" > wrote in message
...
><...>
>> Right now the only place I could get enough traction to do a runup
>> would be in the hangar.
>
>It turns out that that is not always a real good idea...

Not always? I don't know of any small GA hangars where it would
work<:-)) I just said it was the only place I could get enough
traction, nothing abut the back wall and particularly the roof. It's
a really good way to get the roof closer to the ground so you don't
have to stretch so far to work on it, or for those afraid of heights.

It's not a good idea to start up even 50 feet away with the tail
pointed at the open hangar door.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger[_4_]]

On 22 Jan 2007 17:19:42 -0800, "Jay Honeck" >
wrote:

>> Looks just like the ice "The Little French Girl" slipped on two years
>> ago and separated her shoulder as she reached out to grab the strut
>> while preflighting the 182. :-))
>
>Yep. Every year, about this time, we have to re-learn the "duck walk"
>so that we don't kill ourselves on the ice...

I thought that walk was caused by age.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[mike regish]

Check this out.

http://www.murphymotorsports.com/altonbay.wmv



mike

> BT
>
> Ok, I can't resist. Then there was the time landing in MHT. Tower had
> reported braking action poor. I landed an Arrow with the crosswind and was
> sliding in the crab to maintain centerline with the winds.. I did not like
> that. Got it straightened out before I hit a bare patch. Taxied in and
> talked with the tower. The next aircraft in was a Delta DC-9 inbound on
> the ILS. Tower Reports: "Braking action reported poor by a fuel truck,
> Reported NIL by an Arrow.
>
> And people wonder why I moved to the Desert SW.
> Winds today, 20G40.
>
> BT

[Peter Dohm]

> > The Bo doesn't have trailing link gear. It's a standard strut like
> > you'd see on the nose of a 182.
>
> Perhaps he was thinking of the Sundowner?
>
Thanks for the correction.

Peter

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"mike regish" > wrote in message
...
> Check this out.
>
> http://www.murphymotorsports.com/altonbay.wmv
>

Ever seen a guy on ice skates getting towed by a pawnee?

http://www.wavecamp.no/gallery/20040115

--
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[Blanche]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
>> Looks just like the ice "The Little French Girl" slipped on two years
>> ago and separated her shoulder as she reached out to grab the strut
>> while preflighting the 182. :-))
>
>Yep. Every year, about this time, we have to re-learn the "duck walk"
>so that we don't kill ourselves on the ice...

[Disclaimer: I don't own any stock in the company, I'm not getting
kickbacks...]

Yaktrax. I've been using them for years. Got them originally for
walking at the ice rink...er...airport. IIRC they were invented for
people who really are addicted to running in any and all weather.
Around here, lots of the LEOs and the USAF Academy folks swear *by*
them. Flexible rubber mesh with wire *wrapping*, not spikes. I've
got 2 pair now. One pair (the formal, dress black ones) are pretty
much on the semi-waterproof sneakers all the time. The other pair,
dayglo orange, are in the car for emergencies.

About $20 at local big-box sporting goods store.

Invaluable when moving the aircraft in/out of the hangar when the
tarmac is icy.

[Jay Honeck]

> Invaluable when moving the aircraft in/out of the hangar when the
> tarmac is icy.

Good idea. We flew today, and the temps have not been above freezing
since the last storm, so things are still pretty icy. Mary
darned-near took a tumble helping push Atlas back in the hangar...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkinn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"