If your bored, think about this and notes about Ely, Nv.

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Add up your ten longest flights, you have made in your lifetime of
soaring, and then average them. I was on the phone today with Carl
Herold, IV, he just averaged his 10 longest flights, they averaged
699.4 miles.

699.4 miles (statute) is equal to 1,125.58 kilometers, ok, moving
along................

If your thinking of going to Ely, Nv. this summer, their are changes.
Due to homeland security, no more gliders or people are allowed in the
terminal/ ramp area, including the covered patio area. Also, the
concrete pads we used, are off limits. A new area, where we can keep
our rv's with our gliders, is mid-field and west of the main runway
18-36. A entrance to that area is a dirt road north of the main
terminal. You might want to stop, before you head over to the new area
and check in with Carl Herold, or call him, he's at El Aero.

They will have a new webpage shortly. He is now managing the glider
and tow operations. These changes are because of homeland security and
the new comuter airline serving the area. The new aera is good, as we
can be near our trailers, they also will have a 5,000 gal. water truck
for us, where our new area is at. Also, a new tie down cable is
installed, so if you wish to tiedown you can, and park right by your
glider. Its the old mid-field paved runway, running east to west, from
runway 18-36. When you now land, you will be able to taxi off the
active, and get on to our tiedown area. Their is a new airport
manager, I met him late last summer, and he seems interested in our
needs. Thats good.

Thermal tight, Soar high, Fly safe, # 711 reporting.

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On Feb 2, 11:09 pm, wrote:
> Add up your ten longest flights, you have made in your lifetime of
> soaring, and then average them. I was on the phone today with Carl
> Herold, IV, he just averaged his 10 longest flights, they averaged
> 699.4 miles.
>
> 699.4 miles (statute) is equal to 1,125.58 kilometers, ok, moving
> along................
>
> If your thinking of going to Ely, Nv. this summer, their are changes.
> Due to homeland security, no more gliders or people are allowed in the
> terminal/ ramp area, including the covered patio area. Also, the
> concrete pads we used, are off limits. A new area, where we can keep
> our rv's with our gliders, is mid-field and west of the main runway
> 18-36. A entrance to that area is a dirt road north of the main
> terminal. You might want to stop, before you head over to the new area
> and check in with Carl Herold, or call him, he's at El Aero.
>
> They will have a new webpage shortly. He is now managing the glider
> and tow operations. These changes are because of homeland security and
> the new comuter airline serving the area. The new aera is good, as we
> can be near our trailers, they also will have a 5,000 gal. water truck
> for us, where our new area is at. Also, a new tie down cable is
> installed, so if you wish to tiedown you can, and park right by your
> glider. Its the old mid-field paved runway, running east to west, from
> runway 18-36. When you now land, you will be able to taxi off the
> active, and get on to our tiedown area. Their is a new airport
> manager, I met him late last summer, and he seems interested in our
> needs. Thats good.
>
> Thermal tight, Soar high, Fly safe, # 711 reporting.

well ive got a whopping 8 cross countries under my belt for an average
of 95 kilometers. 2 were dual, one of those was only about 18 km,
that really dragged down the average. 7 of 8 resulted in off field
landings. one day was a short out and return for about 65 kilometers.
total distance comes out to 760ish kilometers.

[MaD]

On 3 Feb., 07:13, wrote:
> On Feb 2, 11:09 pm, wrote:
>

> well ive got a whopping 8 cross countries under my belt for an average
> of 95 kilometers. 2 were dual, one of those was only about 18 km,
> that really dragged down the average. 7 of 8 resulted in off field
> landings. one day was a short out and return for about 65 kilometers.
> total distance comes out to 760ish kilometers.- Zitierten Text ausblenden -
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Who is your XC instrutor??? 7 out of 8 lets me wonder about his
abilities.

regards
Marcel

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

Keep in mind that he is flying a Cherokee glider. It is a low performance
glider. Also, he's flying in Iowa, USA where there are many good landing
fields in the spring. I think it is great that he's going cross-country and
having fun!

Paul Remde

"MaD" > wrote in message
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> On 3 Feb., 07:13, wrote:
>> On Feb 2, 11:09 pm, wrote:
>>
>
>> well ive got a whopping 8 cross countries under my belt for an average
>> of 95 kilometers. 2 were dual, one of those was only about 18 km,
>> that really dragged down the average. 7 of 8 resulted in off field
>> landings. one day was a short out and return for about 65 kilometers.
>> total distance comes out to 760ish kilometers.- Zitierten Text
>> ausblenden -
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>> - Zitierten Text anzeigen -
>
> Who is your XC instrutor??? 7 out of 8 lets me wonder about his
> abilities.
>
> regards
> Marcel
>

[Tuno]

I have a lot more respect for the young pilot who lands out 8 out of 8
times than the twirlybird who doesn't know what the terrain looks like
more than 5 miles from the field. Go Cherokee go!

My first flight at Ely was over 600km, my fourth one was 990km, my
shortest that week was ~500km ... and that was in a wing-loading
limited glider. Ely is just awesome!

2NO

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On Feb 3, 9:50 am, "Tuno" > wrote:
> I have a lot more respect for the young pilot who lands out 8 out of 8
> times than the twirlybird who doesn't know what the terrain looks like
> more than 5 miles from the field. Go Cherokee go!
>
> My first flight at Ely was over 600km, my fourth one was 990km, my
> shortest that week was ~500km ... and that was in a wing-loading
> limited glider. Ely is just awesome!
>
> 2NO

Thanks! Paul is right, my glider is not some hotshot 40:1 longwing
jobby where you dont have to worry about making it back to the
airport. And the landout options are good here in the midwest. Due
to the lowish performance of the glider, I almost always choose to fly
straight out with no intention of returning. This leads to quite a
high likelihood of landing out! If I wanted to make it back to the
airport I would just fly locally :)

And FWIW, my Cross Country CFIG was Matt Michael, and the training he
gave me was critical to my cross country success. our first flight
was that 10 mile 1.5 hr drifting with the wind in extremely weak
conditions. landed in a young soybean field. next was an 80 mile
triangle attempt that came up short and landed in a open field. The
training in off field landings was very important and Im actually very
glad that we did land out. Making it back to the airport wouldve made
the training a lot less valuable, IMO. If you ask me, this is how all
cross country training should be done. Doing a written test and
making landings at the airport without an altimeter is no substitute
for actually landing out, if you ask me.

[Kilo Charlie]

> wrote in message
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> If your thinking of going to Ely, Nv. this summer, their are changes.
> Due to homeland security, no more gliders or people are allowed in the
> terminal/ ramp area, including the covered patio area. Also, the
> concrete pads we used, are off limits. A new area, where we can keep
> our rv's with our gliders, is mid-field and west of the main runway
> 18-36. A entrance to that area is a dirt road north of the main
> terminal. You might want to stop, before you head over to the new area
> and check in with Carl Herold, or call him, he's at El Aero.
>
> They will have a new webpage shortly. He is now managing the glider
> and tow operations. These changes are because of homeland security and
> the new comuter airline serving the area. The new aera is good, as we
> can be near our trailers, they also will have a 5,000 gal. water truck
> for us, where our new area is at. Also, a new tie down cable is
> installed, so if you wish to tiedown you can, and park right by your
> glider. Its the old mid-field paved runway, running east to west, from
> runway 18-36. When you now land, you will be able to taxi off the
> active, and get on to our tiedown area. Their is a new airport
> manager, I met him late last summer, and he seems interested in our
> needs. Thats good.
>
> Thermal tight, Soar high, Fly safe, # 711 reporting.

Thanks for the update Tom. This is somewhat concerning to me since I don't
see this as anything but another excuse to treat the glider community as
second class.

On the one hand I like the idea of not having to worry about dealing with
the powered traffic on the ramp but wonder if they are not allowing any
powered pilots to operate off of the same area. Me thinks that the powered
guys have no change in their ops. This change would then be purely
discriminatory and bodes poorly for continued glider ops (other side of the
airport or not) at Ely.

I have a hangar (where three glider trailers are housed) at the 17th busiest
airport in the US (KDVT) and fly powered out of there as well. There is a
card controlled gate but there are no limitations re cars, aircraft type, or
people being on the tarmac where there are routinely multiple large bizjets
(G4's etc) on the ramp which is what I assume the paranoid fringe is worried
about someone taking. Maybe the new airport manager is from Boston? ;-)

Anyone that has been to Ely knows that the fence around it is not secure so
the idea of this type of restriction is a farce to begin with. I'm happy to
hide when the commuter flight is there but beyond that its simply
discrimination. I appreciate Carl's tenacity in dealing with it all.

Ely is a special place and it would be real shame to be pushed out of there.
As long as I can get a tow I'll be back every July!

Casey Lenox
conspiracy theorist
Phoenix

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>
> And FWIW, my Cross Country CFIG was Matt Michael,


Oh great. Now everyone in the world knows who your looser instructor
was.

MM

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On Feb 3, 12:10�pm, "Kilo Charlie" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > If your thinking of going to Ely, Nv. this summer, their are changes.
> > Due to homeland security, no more gliders or people are allowed in the
> > terminal/ ramp area, including the covered patio area. *Also, the
> > concrete pads we used, are off limits. A new area, where we can keep
> > our rv's with our gliders, is mid-field and west of the main runway
> > 18-36. *A entrance to that area is a dirt road north of the main
> > terminal. You might want to stop, before you head over to the new area
> > and check in with Carl Herold, or call him, he's at El Aero.
>
> > They will have a new webpage shortly. He is now managing the glider
> > and tow operations. These changes are because of homeland security and
> > the new comuter airline serving the area. The new aera is good, as we
> > can be near our trailers, they also will have a 5,000 gal. water truck
> > for us, where our new area is at. Also, a new tie down cable is
> > installed, so if you wish to tiedown you can, and park right by your
> > glider. Its the old mid-field paved runway, running east to west, from
> > runway 18-36. When you now land, you will be able to taxi off the
> > active, and get on to our tiedown area. Their is a new airport
> > manager, I met him late last summer, and he seems interested in our
> > needs. Thats good.
>
> > Thermal tight, Soar high, Fly safe, # 711 reporting.
>
> Thanks for the update Tom. *This is somewhat concerning to me since I don't
> see this as anything but another excuse to treat the glider community as
> second class.
>
> On the one hand I like the idea of not having to worry about dealing with
> the powered traffic on the ramp but wonder if they are not allowing any
> powered pilots to operate off of the same area. *Me thinks that the powered
> guys have no change in their ops. *This change would then be purely
> discriminatory and bodes poorly for continued glider ops (other side of the
> airport or not) at Ely.
>
> I have a hangar (where three glider trailers are housed) at the 17th busiest
> airport in the US (KDVT) and fly powered out of there as well. *There is a
> card controlled gate but there are no limitations re cars, aircraft type, or
> people being on the tarmac where there are routinely multiple large bizjets
> (G4's etc) on the ramp which is what I assume the paranoid fringe is worried
> about someone taking. *Maybe the new airport manager is from Boston? *;-)
>
> Anyone that has been to Ely knows that the fence around it is not secure so
> the idea of this type of restriction is a farce to begin with. *I'm happy to
> hide when the commuter flight is there but beyond that its simply
> discrimination. *I appreciate Carl's tenacity in dealing with it all.
>
> Ely is a special place and it would be real shame to be pushed out of there.
> As long as I can get a tow I'll be back every July!
>
> Casey Lenox
> conspiracy theorist
> Phoenix- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sometimes change can be better. Where we will be at, with the gliders,
we won't have power traffic blowing rocks and dirt all over us. Also,
the taxiway we will use to get our gliders staged, we needn't worry
about the power traffic taxing out. So, theirs maybe more good than
not. Even when you used the concrete pads, them big things with those
huge blades, called whirlybirds, golly greens, won't be near our area
when they come in to fuel and blow stuff all over us.
Growth does cause change, but overall I am glad they did think of us,
and it should be as good or better than it was. I do like the idea of
having my motorhome right their next to my trailer. After a Great
Basin flight in Ely, my old 27 would giggle at night, when she was in
her trailer, and I would seldom here her. Now, my 29 will be closer,
and I will be able to hear those giggle's more often.............

# 711.

[Jeremy Zawodny]

Tuno wrote:
> I have a lot more respect for the young pilot who lands out 8 out of 8
> times than the twirlybird who doesn't know what the terrain looks like
> more than 5 miles from the field. Go Cherokee go!
>
> My first flight at Ely was over 600km, my fourth one was 990km, my
> shortest that week was ~500km ... and that was in a wing-loading
> limited glider. Ely is just awesome!

Let us know when you find a non-wing-loading-limited glider! :-)

Jeremy

[Eric Greenwell]

Jeremy Zawodny wrote:
> Tuno wrote:
>> I have a lot more respect for the young pilot who lands out 8 out of 8
>> times than the twirlybird who doesn't know what the terrain looks like
>> more than 5 miles from the field. Go Cherokee go!
>>
>> My first flight at Ely was over 600km, my fourth one was 990km, my
>> shortest that week was ~500km ... and that was in a wing-loading
>> limited glider. Ely is just awesome!
>
> Let us know when you find a non-wing-loading-limited glider! :-)

Go to any glider port where the conditions are weak, and you'll find a
lot of them that aren't limited by wing loading ;-)

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[Andy[_1_]]

On Feb 3, 12:10 pm, "Kilo Charlie" > wrote:
>
> Thanks for the update Tom. This is somewhat concerning to me since I don't
> see this as anything but another excuse to treat the glider community as
> second class.

No, they are not picking on glider pilots. It is normal now (in USA,
the land of the free)for any airport that has scheduled airline
service to have a ramp area and terminal area that is restricted to
only screened scheduled airline passengers. I landed my airplane at
one airport, got gas, took a leak, and was nearly arrested because I
attempted to go out of the wrong door to get back to the airplane.

Andy

[Andy[_1_]]

On Feb 3, 1:54 pm, wrote:

>my old 27 would giggle at night, when she was ..

I thought for a minute you said "my 27 year old". Too early in the
morning for my mind to cope with that ;)

Andy

[Kilo Charlie]

"Andy" > wrote in message
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> On Feb 3, 12:10 pm, "Kilo Charlie" > wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the update Tom. This is somewhat concerning to me since I
>> don't
>> see this as anything but another excuse to treat the glider community as
>> second class.
>
> No, they are not picking on glider pilots. It is normal now (in USA,
> the land of the free)for any airport that has scheduled airline
> service to have a ramp area and terminal area that is restricted to
> only screened scheduled airline passengers. I landed my airplane at
> one airport, got gas, took a leak, and was nearly arrested because I
> attempted to go out of the wrong door to get back to the airplane.
>
> Andy

I can't remember if you've been to Ely or not Andy but its a sleepy airport
that to this point has had few restrictions and so don't argue with the idea
that the usual controls were lax.

That being said my point was that in order to have it all up to standards
there would have to be many changes there not the least of which would apply
to the powered traffic as well seeing as how they are by far and away the
main utilizers of the airport.

Other than being out of sight how is it more restricted to have glider ops
on another area of the airport i.e. what prevents the glider pilots from
crossing to the other side once they are through the fence? I could go out
the correct door just like the powered guys do, I could drive my car through
a security limited gate in order to load water just like the others do to
load baggage. Whatever the requirement might be I don't see a way that
gliders and their pilots are to be placed in a more limited category than
the others wrt security.

As I stated in my first post, I'm all for getting away from the dust and
gravel being blown on our gliders but it seems its happening for the wrong
reasons. We also stage pretty early in the day on the approach
end.....can't see how that's going to work either. "Times they are
a-changin'".

Casey

[Andy[_1_]]

On Feb 8, 5:18 pm, "Kilo Charlie" > wrote:
> I can't remember if you've been to Ely or not Andy

Yes, I have flown at Ely. I really don't see that this new
restriction is any less required than the prohibition on travelling
with over 3 ounces of toothpaste. Your safety, and the safety of the
nation, is at stake!

[Kilo Charlie]

"Andy" > wrote in message
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> On Feb 8, 5:18 pm, "Kilo Charlie" > wrote:
>> I can't remember if you've been to Ely or not Andy
>
> Yes, I have flown at Ely. I really don't see that this new
> restriction is any less required than the prohibition on travelling
> with over 3 ounces of toothpaste. Your safety, and the safety of the
> nation, is at stake!

Oh Now you are really trying to push my buttons!!! ;-)
See you at Sampley Andy!
Casey