Is there a problem with rah?

[Scott[_1_]]

For the past several days I have only been averaging about 1 to 5
messages per day. That's way down from normal! I mean, there are
usually that many from Juan alone...anybody else seeing this problem?

Scott

[Morgans]

"Scott" > wrote in message
...
> For the past several days I have only been averaging about 1 to 5 messages
> per day. That's way down from normal! I mean, there are usually that
> many from Juan alone...anybody else seeing this problem?

Yep, same here.

Usually after a particularly nasty flamefest between a few members, many
people are unwilling to continue reading, so they don't read and don't post.

Give it a couple weeks.

Flamefests, as "righteous" as they may be, damage the group. Just my
opinion.
--
Jim in NC

[red12049[_1_]]

"Scott" > wrote in message
...
> For the past several days I have only been averaging about 1 to 5 messages
> per day. That's way down from normal! I mean, there are usually that
> many from Juan alone...anybody else seeing this problem?
>
> Scott

Yup, same here....

[Stealth Pilot]

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 10:17:21 +0000, Scott >
wrote:

>For the past several days I have only been averaging about 1 to 5
>messages per day. That's way down from normal! I mean, there are
>usually that many from Juan alone...anybody else seeing this problem?
>
>Scott

there are two problems.
age
frustration

.....oh you mean the volume of traffic.
yes ditto here. though it's a lot healthier than sci.aeronautics.

I cant believe that everything is already known about aviation.
where would that leave the experts :-)
Stealth pilot

[Blueskies]

"Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message ...
: On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 10:17:21 +0000, Scott >
: wrote:
:
: >For the past several days I have only been averaging about 1 to 5
: >messages per day. That's way down from normal! I mean, there are
: >usually that many from Juan alone...anybody else seeing this problem?
: >
: >Scott
:
: there are two problems.
: age
: frustration
:
: ....oh you mean the volume of traffic.
: yes ditto here. though it's a lot healthier than sci.aeronautics.
:
: I cant believe that everything is already known about aviation.
: where would that leave the experts :-)
: Stealth pilot

Building....and trying to stay warm...

Dan D.
Kalamazoo, MI

[Lou]

Consider how many times a person asks a question because they are
stuck or can't find the answer on an
older newsgroup page. Now consider how many completly stupid answers
he gets from the morons that don't really
know what their talking about. After a while of hearing complete
stupidity instead of helpful answers it's now wonder
the post have slowed down. I can't tell you how many times I've posted
because I want to try something different, and the
number one answer for the self appointed experts is "follow the
plans". Some answer for an experimental group.
Lou

[Morgans]

"Lou" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Consider how many times a person asks a question because they are
> stuck or can't find the answer on an
> older newsgroup page. Now consider how many completly stupid answers
> he gets from the morons that don't really
> know what their talking about. After a while of hearing complete
> stupidity instead of helpful answers it's now wonder
> the post have slowed down. I can't tell you how many times I've posted
> because I want to try something different, and the
> number one answer for the self appointed experts is "follow the
> plans". Some answer for an experimental group.

Really? Post them again, and see what you get, now. I can't remember what
you have asked.

So sorry if they tell people not to make substitutions in structure that
will be holding their LIVES in their hands, like substituting aluminum for
steel wing hold downs. Next time you have a question like that, remind us,
and we will tell you, "no problem, go ahead and change the plans."

Seriously, if you have to ask about changing plans, and you are willing to
take a bunch of stranger's advise on making a change, then you have no
business making such a change, or probably even building an airplane.

Other questions posed here usually get a fair chance, when it is not talking
about major structural changes. I think you are giving the group a bum
wrap, on that one.
--
Jim in NC

Anyway, how many experts are left reading and posting, after exchanges that
keep going and going, with buttheads like Juan....

My advise to everyone, is to know when to stop beating your head against the
wall, and let idiots have the last word, sometimes.

[BobR]

On Feb 4, 8:00 am, "Lou" > wrote:
> Consider how many times a person asks a question because they are
> stuck or can't find the answer on an
> older newsgroup page. Now consider how many completly stupid answers
> he gets from the morons that don't really
> know what their talking about. After a while of hearing complete
> stupidity instead of helpful answers it's now wonder
> the post have slowed down. I can't tell you how many times I've posted
> because I want to try something different, and the
> number one answer for the self appointed experts is "follow the
> plans". Some answer for an experimental group.
> Lou

Lou,

There will always be those who will not deviate from the plans for any
reason. They apparently feel that the designer took everything into
consideration and to change anything invites disaster. Even some
manufacturers will discourage any change to the plans or kit. Too
bad, that is what I always thought experimental building was all
about.

My advice, filter out the nay-sayers and keep going. Its a learning
process and the best way to learn is to experiment. You may find it
difficult though to get answers from those who only follow the exact
plans. Keep posting your questions and usually you can find some good
advice among all the flack.

[Roger[_4_]]

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 13:26:43 GMT, "Blueskies"
> wrote:

>
>"Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message ...
>: On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 10:17:21 +0000, Scott >
>: wrote:
>:
>: >For the past several days I have only been averaging about 1 to 5
>: >messages per day. That's way down from normal! I mean, there are
>: >usually that many from Juan alone...anybody else seeing this problem?
>: >
>: >Scott
>:
>: there are two problems.
>: age
>: frustration
>:
>: ....oh you mean the volume of traffic.
>: yes ditto here. though it's a lot healthier than sci.aeronautics.

I think the "old timers" are just stopping to get their collective
breath. It's probably also weather related although this is the kind
of weather that puts me on the computer, rather than in the shop.

>:
>: I cant believe that everything is already known about aviation.
>: where would that leave the experts :-)
>: Stealth pilot
>
>Building....and trying to stay warm...

It's just kinda chilly up here in Midland. The outside thermometer at
the shop says +5, but it's in the sun. <:-)) At least it's nice and
toasty in the shop.

It must be psychological. Last night when the outside temp was showing
-6 I bumped the shop up to 72 from 70 and still felt cold. The
temperature in the shop is very consistent throughout the whole
building.
>
>Dan D.
>Kalamazoo, MI
>
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Dan[_2_]]

Roger wrote:
<snip>
>
> It must be psychological. Last night when the outside temp was showing
> -6 I bumped the shop up to 72 from 70 and still felt cold. The
> temperature in the shop is very consistent throughout the whole
> building.

> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
> www.rogerhalstead.com


Dern sissy, when I was young I had to trudge through blizzards to
get to my hangar. It was up hill...... both ways...

Now let me tell you about having to kill a cave bear to get sinew to
sew fabric for my first airplane.......

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Roger[_4_]]

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:13:42 -0600, Dan > wrote:

>Roger wrote:
><snip>
>>
>> It must be psychological. Last night when the outside temp was showing
>> -6 I bumped the shop up to 72 from 70 and still felt cold. The
>> temperature in the shop is very consistent throughout the whole
>> building.
>
>> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
>> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
>> www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>
> Dern sissy, when I was young I had to trudge through blizzards to
>get to my hangar. It was up hill...... both ways...

You had it good. We was so poor I had to walk two miles through three
feet of snow, barefoot, uphill both ways to get to school.

>
> Now let me tell you about having to kill a cave bear to get sinew to
>sew fabric for my first airplane.......

Yah know we were all a lot tougher when we were young. Hows that old
saying go? "The older I get the better I was."<:-))


>
>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Dan[_2_]]

Richard Riley wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:13:42 -0600, Dan > wrote:
>
>> Roger wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> It must be psychological. Last night when the outside temp was showing
>>> -6 I bumped the shop up to 72 from 70 and still felt cold. The
>>> temperature in the shop is very consistent throughout the whole
>>> building.
>>> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
>>> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
>>> www.rogerhalstead.com
>>
>> Dern sissy, when I was young I had to trudge through blizzards to
>> get to my hangar. It was up hill...... both ways...
>>
>> Now let me tell you about having to kill a cave bear to get sinew to
>> sew fabric for my first airplane.......
>
> Sinew!? This generation, I tell you, they don't appreciate what they
> have!
>
> In my day we had to beat papyrus bark to make the fiber to spin into
> thread! But tell the kids these days....

We had no papyrus in the glaciers. We had to shave live woolly
mammoths to get fibers to weave for our fabric.

On the bright side our wives didn't complain about our building
airplanes, I was the first in my glacier to build one, since there was
no such thing as divorce. We would simply trade 'em off to another clan.

Life was rough back then, I tell ya.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Whome?]

On 2/4/2007 8:42:17 AM, "Morgans" wrote:
>
>"Lou" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> Consider how many times a person asks a question because they are
>> stuck or can't find the answer on an
>> older newsgroup page. Now consider how many completly stupid answers
>> he gets from the morons that don't really
>> know what their talking about. After a while of hearing complete
>> stupidity instead of helpful answers it's now wonder
>> the post have slowed down. I can't tell you how many times I've posted
>> because I want to try something different, and the
>> number one answer for the self appointed experts is "follow the
>> plans". Some answer for an experimental group.
>
>Really? Post them again, and see what you get, now. I can't remember what
>you have asked.
>
>So sorry if they tell people not to make substitutions in structure that
>will be holding their LIVES in their hands, like substituting aluminum for
>steel wing hold downs. Next time you have a question like that, remind us,
>and we will tell you, "no problem, go ahead and change the plans."
>
>Seriously, if you have to ask about changing plans, and you are willing to
>take a bunch of stranger's advise on making a change, then you have no
>business making such a change, or probably even building an airplane.
>
>Other questions posed here usually get a fair chance, when it is not talking
>about major structural changes. I think you are giving the group a bum
>wrap, on that one.

Good job dumb ass, you just proved his point in capital letters. Next time
why don't you post it in red type.

Now take your medication and go to bed.

[Maxwell]

"Lou" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Consider how many times a person asks a question because they are
> stuck or can't find the answer on an
> older newsgroup page. Now consider how many completly stupid answers
> he gets from the morons that don't really
> know what their talking about. After a while of hearing complete
> stupidity instead of helpful answers it's now wonder
> the post have slowed down. I can't tell you how many times I've posted
> because I want to try something different, and the
> number one answer for the self appointed experts is "follow the
> plans". Some answer for an experimental group.
> Lou
>

Hi Lou, I don't know you from Adam, but I agree with this 100%. We seem
completely overwhelmed with negative contributors, and real short on
positive input. One of my observations has been how quickly someone suggests
we can solve all questions by sending the posted to search the archives. It
always completely ingores the possibility someone might have joined the
group recently with fresh input on a subject.

[Dan[_2_]]

Maxwell wrote:
> "Lou" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> Consider how many times a person asks a question because they are
>> stuck or can't find the answer on an
>> older newsgroup page. Now consider how many completly stupid answers
>> he gets from the morons that don't really
>> know what their talking about. After a while of hearing complete
>> stupidity instead of helpful answers it's now wonder
>> the post have slowed down. I can't tell you how many times I've posted
>> because I want to try something different, and the
>> number one answer for the self appointed experts is "follow the
>> plans". Some answer for an experimental group.
>> Lou
>>
>
> Hi Lou, I don't know you from Adam, but I agree with this 100%. We seem
> completely overwhelmed with negative contributors, and real short on
> positive input. One of my observations has been how quickly someone suggests
> we can solve all questions by sending the posted to search the archives. It
> always completely ingores the possibility someone might have joined the
> group recently with fresh input on a subject.
>
>
Agreed, but I'd add doing an archive search isn't always easy if you
don't ask the question correctly in the first place. I have had cases
where I have gotten the answers I news groups when someone points out
the correct term for something. I would direct someone to archives if
they want more than what I can give.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Lou]

True Dan, one of my downfalls is the correct term for what I'm asking.
I've only been into flying and homebuilding for the last five years
and when I started asking questions (or even now), I would ask with
the wrong term and boy, did I hear it. On the other hand, most of the
time when I would ask a question, I would hear a from a dozen posters
that you could just tell, didn't have a clue how to answer.
Lou

[Jerry Springer]

Stealth Pilot wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 10:17:21 +0000, Scott >
> wrote:
>
>
>>For the past several days I have only been averaging about 1 to 5
>>messages per day. That's way down from normal! I mean, there are
>>usually that many from Juan alone...anybody else seeing this problem?
>>
>>Scott
>
>
> there are two problems.
> age
> frustration
>
> ....oh you mean the volume of traffic.
> yes ditto here. though it's a lot healthier than sci.aeronautics.
>
> I cant believe that everything is already known about aviation.
> where would that leave the experts :-)
> Stealth pilot

Maybe all is not known about airplanes but I sure don't care if I ever
see the words juan or zoom again. I know that most of the people I know
that read this newsgroup are tired of hearing about them over and over
and over again. The same things are hashed over and over and over
about them. It gets really tedious reading about them. I know, change my
browser to ignore them or don't read it but it is still get aggravating
to see the same subjects all the time.

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article <2gGxh.1016$Yl3.973@trndny09>, Jerry Springer says...
>
>Maybe all is not known about airplanes but I sure don't care if I ever
>see the words juan or zoom again. I know that most of the people I know
>that read this newsgroup are tired of hearing about them over and over
>and over again. The same things are hashed over and over and over
>about them. It gets really tedious reading about them. I know, change my
>browser to ignore them or don't read it but it is still get aggravating
>to see the same subjects all the time.

In a way that's exactly what zoom wants,he wants everyone to forget what he has
done to people for the last 20 years. He backs off and waits until a new group
of newbies show up who are unaware of his past and then he can play hero all
over again.

I realize that for some, this fight gets old but it's a necessary fight. To
expose zoom is to protect newbies ,be they readers or advertizers from what zoom
will do time and time again. To readers he will portray himself as the next
coming of Chuck Yeager and a super hero who has done and flown all things
aeronautical. Newbies will take him at face value and think he's super pilot.
All wonderful and full of goodness.When in fact he's a phony.

Newbie advertizers will soon learn that if you start to advertize with him he
will run ads you didn't want and bill you for them .If you don't pay up he'll
sue you, something that Liberty Aerospace and ControlVision are now involved
in.I bet now they wish they knew about zoom's tactics before they started
advertizing with ANN .

So there is a reason for all this whether you agree or not is your decision but
I hold no grief with those who don't find it of interest. Usually it only
interests those who have been zoomed :-)

See ya

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

[Rob Turk]

"Scott" > wrote in message
...
> For the past several days I have only been averaging about 1 to 5 messages
> per day. That's way down from normal! I mean, there are usually that
> many from Juan alone...anybody else seeing this problem?
>
> Scott

Could be just my ISP, but over here the entire newsgroup ceased to exist
about a week ago. I just got access working again. Other newsgroups on the
same server were fine though..

Rob

[Dan[_2_]]

Richard Riley wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:33:49 -0600, Dan > wrote:
>
>> Richard Riley wrote:
>>> On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:13:42 -0600, Dan > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Roger wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> It must be psychological. Last night when the outside temp was showing
>>>>> -6 I bumped the shop up to 72 from 70 and still felt cold. The
>>>>> temperature in the shop is very consistent throughout the whole
>>>>> building.
>>>>> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
>>>>> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
>>>>> www.rogerhalstead.com
>>>> Dern sissy, when I was young I had to trudge through blizzards to
>>>> get to my hangar. It was up hill...... both ways...
>>>>
>>>> Now let me tell you about having to kill a cave bear to get sinew to
>>>> sew fabric for my first airplane.......
>>> Sinew!? This generation, I tell you, they don't appreciate what they
>>> have!
>>>
>>> In my day we had to beat papyrus bark to make the fiber to spin into
>>> thread! But tell the kids these days....
>> We had no papyrus in the glaciers. We had to shave live woolly
>> mammoths to get fibers to weave for our fabric.
>>
>> On the bright side our wives didn't complain about our building
>> airplanes, I was the first in my glacier to build one, since there was
>> no such thing as divorce. We would simply trade 'em off to another clan.
>>
>> Life was rough back then, I tell ya.
>
> We never had momoths. We tried shaving giant sloths once, couldn't
> get them to hold still long enough. I tell you, for something called
> a sloth, those babies can move. We did figure out obsidian blades,
> though - they're great if you're near a volcano. Sharp and cheap.

Now you know why sloth is one of the seven deadly sins.

>
> But these kids today, with their fancy "steel" and "aluminum" and
> "gasoline" - they don't understand what it was like in the old days.
>
> Hey, is it true you can distill fermented honey by freezing it? My
> old building buddy Og swears he's seen it done.

Dunno about that, but the youth of today don't appreciate how we
invented such nav aids as the first VOR at Stone Henge.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Montblack]

("Dan" wrote)
> Dunno about that, but the youth of today don't appreciate how we
> invented such nav aids as the first VOR at Stone Henge.


Remember when Stonehenge was still just a field?


Montblack
Had another birthday this weekend

[Kyle Boatright]

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:08:03 -0600, "Montblack"
> > wrote:
>
>>("Dan" wrote)
>>> Dunno about that, but the youth of today don't appreciate how we
>>> invented such nav aids as the first VOR at Stone Henge.
>>
>>
>>Remember when Stonehenge was still just a field?
>>
>>
>
> Yeah, and you could land into the wind, no matter which way it was
> blowing.
>
> It's nice that they're digging out the old pilots lounge -
>

I'm hoping they will find my old "hewn from stone" E6B and a couple of early
issues of Sport Aviation I think I left behind because the stone tablets put
my ornithopter over gross on a hot day...

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:21:11 -0500, "Kyle Boatright" >
wrote:

>
>"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:08:03 -0600, "Montblack"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>("Dan" wrote)
>>>> Dunno about that, but the youth of today don't appreciate how we
>>>> invented such nav aids as the first VOR at Stone Henge.
>>>
>>>Remember when Stonehenge was still just a field?
>>
>> Yeah, and you could land into the wind, no matter which way it was
>> blowing.
>>
>> It's nice that they're digging out the old pilots lounge -
>
>I'm hoping they will find my old "hewn from stone" E6B...

Hmmmmf. Us REAL old-timers were happy with an E6A....

Ron "Is Stonehenge in Yorkshire?" Wanttaja

[Dan[_2_]]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:21:11 -0500, "Kyle Boatright" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Richard Riley" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:08:03 -0600, "Montblack"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> ("Dan" wrote)
>>>>> Dunno about that, but the youth of today don't appreciate how we
>>>>> invented such nav aids as the first VOR at Stone Henge.
>>>> Remember when Stonehenge was still just a field?
>>> Yeah, and you could land into the wind, no matter which way it was
>>> blowing.
>>>
>>> It's nice that they're digging out the old pilots lounge -
>> I'm hoping they will find my old "hewn from stone" E6B...
>
> Hmmmmf. Us REAL old-timers were happy with an E6A....
>
> Ron "Is Stonehenge in Yorkshire?" Wanttaja

Ever heard of Stonehenge pudding?

I remember when the E-6 was an E-1 and the major was a minor.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Montblack]

("Ron Wanttaja" wrote)
> Ron "Is Stonehenge in Yorkshire?" Wanttaja


Hey, when did the Atlantis airport go under?


Montblack

[Morgans]

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:46:12 -0600, "Montblack"
> > wrote:
>
>>("Ron Wanttaja" wrote)
>>> Ron "Is Stonehenge in Yorkshire?" Wanttaja
>>
>>
>>Hey, when did the Atlantis airport go under?
>>
>
> Yeah, that was a nice place. They had a little resturant, did great
> seafood.

Yeah, but the runway! They were experimenting with that circular runway
idea, way back then!
--
Jim in NC

[Dan[_2_]]

Morgans wrote:
>
> "Richard Riley" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:46:12 -0600, "Montblack"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> ("Ron Wanttaja" wrote)
>>>> Ron "Is Stonehenge in Yorkshire?" Wanttaja
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey, when did the Atlantis airport go under?
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, that was a nice place. They had a little resturant, did great
>> seafood.
>
> Yeah, but the runway! They were experimenting with that circular runway
> idea, way back then!

Well, they kinda had to do that. Remember the flying saucers they had?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[TigerPilot]

> Usually after a particularly nasty flamefest between a few members, many
> people are unwilling to continue reading, so they don't read and don't post.
>
> Give it a couple weeks.
>
> Flamefests, as "righteous" as they may be, damage the group. Just my
> opinion.
> --
> Jim in NC

You are so right, Jim. In the late 90th, this group used to be the
most active group of them all. After some people joined that only had
mayhem on their mind it dwindled down to barely active. It never
really recoverd from that.

Yoram

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Richard Riley says...
>
>On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:46:12 -0600, "Montblack"
> wrote:
>
>>("Ron Wanttaja" wrote)
>>> Ron "Is Stonehenge in Yorkshire?" Wanttaja
>>
>>
>>Hey, when did the Atlantis airport go under?
>>
>
>Yeah, that was a nice place. They had a little resturant, did great
>seafood.

OK,OK OK you guys all I'm gonna say is MOSES was my first flight instructor
and he was tough.Kept hitting me with a big stick when I screwd up :-)

Chuck

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Richard Riley says...
>
>On 6 Feb 2007 05:34:58 -0800, ChuckSlusarczyk
> wrote:
>>
>>OK,OK OK you guys all I'm gonna say is MOSES was my first flight instructor
>>and he was tough.Kept hitting me with a big stick when I screwd up :-)
>>
>>Chuck
>
>Did you ever get a chance to fly that big amphib the guy was building?
>Noah? It was impressive work, even though the plans were pretty
>basic.

Last I saw it it was almost done but it was way short on wing area IMHO. Had
plenty of room tho' :-)

Chuck

[Lou]

>
> Yeah. Some of us worried about that back then.
>
> Do a google search on RAH, for the term "Destroy RAH" and you'll find
> some stuff from 2000. I


I just have to ask, why would you do a search with the term "Destroy
RAH" in the first place?
Lou

[[email protected]]

On Feb 6, 7:19 am, "Lou" > wrote:
> > Yeah. Some of us worried about that back then.
>
> > Do a google search on RAH, for the term "Destroy RAH" and you'll find
> > some stuff from 2000. I
>
> I just have to ask, why would you do a search with the term "Destroy
> RAH" in the first place?
> Lou

Because I remember some of the posts from then.

[Montblack]

("Richard Riley" wrote)
> Did you ever get a chance to fly that big amphib the guy was building?
> Noah? It was impressive work, even though the plans were pretty basic.


Is an Ark LSA compliant? Checking the regs, ....checking, ....there it is:

"A maximum seating capacity of no more than two persons, including the
pilot."


Montblack
"You know I'm the only guy in this neighborhood with an Ark?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyc1315KawQ
"Get some wood build it"
"300 cubits by 80 cubits by 40 cubits"
"Right!"
"What's a cubit?"
"Lets see a cubit...I used to know what a cubit was"

[Montblack]

("ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote)
> OK,OK OK you guys all I'm gonna say is MOSES was my first flight
> instructor and he was tough.Kept hitting me with a big stick when I screwd
> up :-)


Q: When instructing, and Moses wants the plane back, what does he say?

A: "Let my Piper go!"

I heard back then the (PTS) "...has given unto you these fifteen... [oops!]
Oy! Ten! Ten commandments for all to obey!"

http://www.faa.gov/education_research/testing/airmen/test_standards/


Montblack

[Dan[_2_]]

Montblack wrote:
> ("ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote)
>> OK,OK OK you guys all I'm gonna say is MOSES was my first flight
>> instructor and he was tough.Kept hitting me with a big stick when I screwd
>> up :-)
>
>
> Q: When instructing, and Moses wants the plane back, what does he say?
>
> A: "Let my Piper go!"
>
> I heard back then the (PTS) "...has given unto you these fifteen... [oops!]
> Oy! Ten! Ten commandments for all to obey!"
>
> http://www.faa.gov/education_research/testing/airmen/test_standards/
>
>
> Montblack
>
>

Y'know, I may wind up regretting having started all this :)

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Dan[_2_]]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, Richard Riley says...
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:46:12 -0600, "Montblack"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> ("Ron Wanttaja" wrote)
>>>> Ron "Is Stonehenge in Yorkshire?" Wanttaja
>>>
>>> Hey, when did the Atlantis airport go under?
>>>
>> Yeah, that was a nice place. They had a little resturant, did great
>> seafood.
>
> OK,OK OK you guys all I'm gonna say is MOSES was my first flight instructor
> and he was tough.Kept hitting me with a big stick when I screwd up :-)
>
> Chuck
>
You call that old? When God said "let there be light" I threw the
switch and yawn fetched it.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Dan[_2_]]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, Richard Riley says...
>> On 6 Feb 2007 05:34:58 -0800, ChuckSlusarczyk
>> > wrote:
>>> OK,OK OK you guys all I'm gonna say is MOSES was my first flight instructor
>>> and he was tough.Kept hitting me with a big stick when I screwd up :-)
>>>
>>> Chuck
>> Did you ever get a chance to fly that big amphib the guy was building?
>> Noah? It was impressive work, even though the plans were pretty
>> basic.
>
> Last I saw it it was almost done but it was way short on wing area IMHO. Had
> plenty of room tho' :-)
>
> Chuck
>
Noah translated into English is Moller.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[RST Engineering]

It had a pitch problem.

Jim



"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...

> Did you ever get a chance to fly that big amphib the guy was building?
> Noah? It was impressive work, even though the plans were pretty
> basic.

[RST Engineering]

Moses, standing on the mountaintop with those stone tablets in his arms,

"Let me get this straight. We get all the sand. The Arabs get all the oil.
And we have to cut the tip of our WHAT off?"

{;-)

Jim


"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Montblack wrote:
>> ("ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote)
>>> OK,OK OK you guys all I'm gonna say is MOSES was my first flight
>>> instructor and he was tough.Kept hitting me with a big stick when I
>>> screwd
>>> up :-)

[Kyle Boatright]

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
>> In article >, Richard Riley
>> says...
>>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:46:12 -0600, "Montblack"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> ("Ron Wanttaja" wrote)
>>>>> Ron "Is Stonehenge in Yorkshire?" Wanttaja
>>>>
>>>> Hey, when did the Atlantis airport go under?
>>>>
>>> Yeah, that was a nice place. They had a little resturant, did great
>>> seafood.
>>
>> OK,OK OK you guys all I'm gonna say is MOSES was my first flight
>> instructor
>> and he was tough.Kept hitting me with a big stick when I screwd up :-)
>>
>> Chuck
> You call that old? When God said "let there be light" I threw the
> switch and yawn fetched it.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Yeah, but Jim had looped, rolled, and spun that switch at the previous SnF.
You know, the one before he was banned. In his review, he wrote that the
switch had nice phlugoid characteristics, but identified some flaws that
might shock the novice...

KB

[Dan[_2_]]

Richard Riley wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:38:43 -0600, Dan > wrote:
>
>> Montblack wrote:
>>> ("ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote)
>>>> OK,OK OK you guys all I'm gonna say is MOSES was my first flight
>>>> instructor and he was tough.Kept hitting me with a big stick when I screwd
>>>> up :-)
>>>
>>> Q: When instructing, and Moses wants the plane back, what does he say?
>>>
>>> A: "Let my Piper go!"
>>>
>>> I heard back then the (PTS) "...has given unto you these fifteen... [oops!]
>>> Oy! Ten! Ten commandments for all to obey!"
>>>
>>> http://www.faa.gov/education_research/testing/airmen/test_standards/
>>>
>>>
>>> Montblack
>>>
>>>
>> Y'know, I may wind up regretting having started all this :)
>
> You don't regret it yet?!

OK, OK, so I'm a masochist.
>
> Send in the Nuns!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAVJ9ZyghlA

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[John Price]

>>
>> Last I saw it it was almost done but it was way short on wing area IMHO. Had
>> plenty of room tho' :-)
>>
>> Chuck
>>
> Noah translated into English is Moller.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Speaking of, . . . A promo for an pcoming PBS show started off with about
2 second shot of the Moller flying!, It's amazing what they can do with
special effects. I wonder if they can make the worlds smallest jet fly?
John
Ducking ;-)

[Dan[_2_]]

John Price wrote:
>>> Last I saw it it was almost done but it was way short on wing area IMHO. Had
>>> plenty of room tho' :-)
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>> Noah translated into English is Moller.
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
>
> Speaking of, . . . A promo for an pcoming PBS show started off with about
> 2 second shot of the Moller flying!, It's amazing what they can do with
> special effects. I wonder if they can make the worlds smallest jet fly?
> John
> Ducking ;-)
>

It already has flies.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Dan says...
>>
>> Send in the Nuns!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAVJ9ZyghlA
>
>No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Bring out ..gasp!! the comfy chair!!!bigger gasp!!

Chuck ( IT"S ) S

[[email protected]]

On Feb 6, 7:55 am, "TigerPilot" > wrote:
> > Usually after a particularly nasty flamefest between a few members, many
> > people are unwilling to continue reading, so they don't read and don't post.
>
> > Give it a couple weeks.
>
> > Flamefests, as "righteous" as they may be, damage the group. Just my
> > opinion.
> > --
> > Jim in NC
>
> You are so right, Jim. In the late 90th, this group used to be the
> most active group of them all. After some people joined that only had
> mayhem on their mind it dwindled down to barely active. It never
> really recoverd from that.
>

Oh, THAT's what happened. I thought they deviated from
the plans and all augered in on their test flights...

--

FF

[Morgans]

> wrote

> Oh, THAT's what happened. I thought they deviated from
> the plans and all augered in on their test flights...

Cute :-)
--
Jim in NC

[Whome?]

On 2/5/2007 8:50:55 AM, ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
>In article <2gGxh.1016$Yl3.973@trndny09>, Jerry Springer says...
>>
>>Maybe all is not known about airplanes but I sure don't care if I ever
>>see the words juan or zoom again. I know that most of the people I know
>>that read this newsgroup are tired of hearing about them over and over
>>and over again. The same things are hashed over and over and over
>>about them. It gets really tedious reading about them. I know, change my
>>browser to ignore them or don't read it but it is still get aggravating
>>to see the same subjects all the time.
>
>In a way that's exactly what zoom wants,he wants everyone to forget what he has
>done to people for the last 20 years. He backs off and waits until a new group
>of newbies show up who are unaware of his past and then he can play hero all
>over again.
>
>I realize that for some, this fight gets old but it's a necessary fight. To
>expose zoom is to protect newbies ,be they readers or advertizers from what zoom
>will do time and time again. To readers he will portray himself as the next
>coming of Chuck Yeager and a super hero who has done and flown all things
>aeronautical. Newbies will take him at face value and think he's super pilot.
>All wonderful and full of goodness.When in fact he's a phony.
>
>Newbie advertizers will soon learn that if you start to advertize with him he
>will run ads you didn't want and bill you for them .If you don't pay up he'll
>sue you, something that Liberty Aerospace and ControlVision are now involved
>in.I bet now they wish they knew about zoom's tactics before they started
>advertizing with ANN .
>
>So there is a reason for all this whether you agree or not is your decision but
>I hold no grief with those who don't find it of interest. Usually it only
>interests those who have been zoomed :-)
>
>See ya
>
>Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>

Sorry Chuck, but Jerry is right. 99% of that stuff has just become either
feeding Juan the troll, or Campbell stuff that is so far off topic it just
doesn't belong here. Everone here realizes where that pair is coming from,
give the rest of us a break.

[Mark Hickey]

"Whome?" > wrote:

>Sorry Chuck, but Jerry is right. 99% of that stuff has just become either
>feeding Juan the troll, or Campbell stuff that is so far off topic it just
>doesn't belong here. Everone here realizes where that pair is coming from,
>give the rest of us a break.

Is it time for a full and official shunning of both, forever? In
truth, nothing would torque them off more than being assigned
"irrelevant status". It's kinda fun to picture yawn jumping up and
yapping, looking for attention and getting not a key click in reply.

Mark Hickey

[Whome?]

On 2/8/2007 6:55:35 AM, Mark Hickey wrote:
>
>Is it time for a full and official shunning of both, forever? In
>truth, nothing would torque them off more than being assigned
>"irrelevant status". It's kinda fun to picture yawn jumping up and
>yapping, looking for attention and getting not a key click in reply.
>
>Mark Hickey
>

You've got my vote, them or anything about them. I actually enjoy playing
*Pac Juan*. The first thing I do is highlight and delete anything with Juan's
name or it, before I ever open it. I also delete the entire thread on things
like *Sebering and Hitlaw*, and *Monkey in a Flight Suit* or whatever it was.
This causes all those messages to float to the top for easy deletion without
opening them.

It's amazing how much better this group looks with all the nonsense cut out
of it, and how little we actually talk about aircraft and building
techniques. I know if I were a newcomer, I'd be scared to death to ask a
question.