Federal Budget Is Out ..

[Jay Beckman]

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070205funding.html

Jay B

[Marco Leon]

On Feb 5, 4:48 pm, "Jay Beckman" > wrote:
> http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070205funding.html
>
> Jay B

Let me get this straight. Is the budget proposing to increase the gas
taxes four-fold first, then switch it over to a user fee structure
afterward or are the user fees going to ON TOP of an increased gas
tax? If it's the latter, then we are all about to get our asses handed
to us.

Marco

[Bob Noel]

In article . com>,
"Marco Leon" > wrote:

> Let me get this straight. Is the budget proposing to increase the gas
> taxes four-fold first, then switch it over to a user fee structure
> afterward or are the user fees going to ON TOP of an increased gas
> tax? If it's the latter, then we are all about to get our asses handed
> to us.

what are the odds the government gives up a tax?

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Doug[_1_]]

Bush term has run up more Federal deficit than any other president. We
are SWAMPED in Federal red ink. We are getting away with it, for now.
But it will rear it's ugly head someday, I believe. Trillions of
Federal debt!!

[Don Tuite]

On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:14:23 -0500, Bob Noel
> wrote:
>
>what are the odds the government gives up a tax?

Depends on yer income level, dunnit?

Don

[Newps]

Doug wrote:

> Bush term has run up more Federal deficit than any other president. We
> are SWAMPED in Federal red ink. We are getting away with it, for now.
> But it will rear it's ugly head someday, I believe. Trillions of
> Federal debt!!

We heard all that in the 80's. Won't happen.

[Buck Murdock]

In article . com>,
"Doug" > wrote:

> Bush term has run up more Federal deficit than any other president. We
> are SWAMPED in Federal red ink. We are getting away with it, for now.
> But it will rear it's ugly head someday, I believe. Trillions of
> Federal debt!!

Yup. A democrat will have to come clean up the mess, and get blamed for
stifling the economy because taxes went up, all to pay off Bush's war
tab. Infuriating.

[Matt Whiting]

Buck Murdock wrote:

> In article . com>,
> "Doug" > wrote:
>
>
>>Bush term has run up more Federal deficit than any other president. We
>>are SWAMPED in Federal red ink. We are getting away with it, for now.
>>But it will rear it's ugly head someday, I believe. Trillions of
>>Federal debt!!
>
>
> Yup. A democrat will have to come clean up the mess, and get blamed for
> stifling the economy because taxes went up, all to pay off Bush's war
> tab. Infuriating.

Hey, if they (the Democrates) are dumb enough to run and win the office,
then no complaining about it later.

Matt

[Dallas]

On 5 Feb 2007 14:09:21 -0800, Marco Leon wrote:

> If it's the latter, then we are all about to get our asses handed
> to us.

Is AOPA doing more than just ringing alarm bells about all this?

--
Dallas

[Bob Noel]

In article . com>,
"Doug" > wrote:

> Bush term has run up more Federal deficit than any other president. We
> are SWAMPED in Federal red ink. We are getting away with it, for now.
> But it will rear it's ugly head someday, I believe. Trillions of
> Federal debt!!

Congress is responsible for appropriating money.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Jay Beckman]

"Dallas" > wrote in message
.. .
> On 5 Feb 2007 14:09:21 -0800, Marco Leon wrote:
>
>> If it's the latter, then we are all about to get our asses handed
>> to us.
>
> Is AOPA doing more than just ringing alarm bells about all this?
>
> --
> Dallas

Well, people generally hate lobbyists, unless they're yours.

I've no doubt that AOPAs DC folk (and Phil himself) are doing some serious
flesh pressing. This is a subject that has been on AOPAs radar for quite
some time.

BTW, anyone else see the story on the news tonite regarding Nancy Pellossi
and her request to have access to USAF aircraft for her transportation
needs? Guess a G-V wasn't good enough?

Jay B

[Blueskies]

Write your senators and representatives...we can change this...

Dear Senator xxx,



The budget for the coming year has just left the president's office, and I
do not like the implications of it. It sounds like the President wants to
drop homeland programs such as education to continue to fund his lost war in
Iraq. He also seems to be trying to divert funds away from aviation and
increase taxes on fuel. (see http://www.aopa.org/faafundingdebate/). Please
scrutinize this budget. We cannot afford this.



Best regards,

xxxx


"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message ...
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: Jay B
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[Matt Barrow]

"Buck Murdock" > wrote in message
...
> In article . com>,
> "Doug" > wrote:
>
>> Bush term has run up more Federal deficit than any other president. We
>> are SWAMPED in Federal red ink. We are getting away with it, for now.
>> But it will rear it's ugly head someday, I believe. Trillions of
>> Federal debt!!
>
> Yup. A democrat will have to come clean up the mess, and get blamed for
> stifling the economy because taxes went up, all to pay off Bush's war
> tab. Infuriating.

Infuriating that revenues are at an all time high?

It's the SPENDING, stupid!

[Matt Barrow]

"Buck Murdock" > wrote in message
...

> Yup. A democrat will have to come clean up the mess, and get blamed for
> stifling the economy because taxes went up, all to pay off Bush's war
> tab.

Defense is all of 16% of the budget, up from 14.5%.

A peak at Article 1, Section 8 might be a benefit, too.

Get a clue!

[Matt Barrow]

"Don Tuite" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:14:23 -0500, Bob Noel
> > wrote:
>>
>>what are the odds the government gives up a tax?
>
> Depends on yer income level, dunnit?
>

Number of households that pay NO income tax is up.

[ktbr]

Buck Murdock wrote:
> Yup. A democrat will have to come clean up the mess, and get blamed for
> stifling the economy because taxes went up, all to pay off Bush's war
> tab. Infuriating.

While the cost of the war in Iraq is high, it PALES in comparison
with what social and entitlement programs cost the American taxpayer.

If we are in a 'mess' it is because there is NO ONE in Washington DC
with enough balls to reject the incessant pandering & PC mentality
that has emasculated the current tired old politicians. They are
totally unable to do what it takes to make the United States a
repected world power as it once was.

[Skylune]

On Feb 5, 6:43 pm, Buck Murdock > wrote:
> In article . com>,
>
> "Doug" > wrote:
> > Bush term has run up more Federal deficit than any other president. We
> > are SWAMPED in Federal red ink. We are getting away with it, for now.
> > But it will rear it's ugly head someday, I believe. Trillions of
> > Federal debt!!
>
> Yup. A democrat will have to come clean up the mess, and get blamed for
> stifling the economy because taxes went up, all to pay off Bush's war
> tab. Infuriating.

Leave federal fiscal matters to experts such as the retired TV
executive, who got it partially correct.

[Skylune]

On Feb 6, 9:00 am, "Matt Barrow" > wrote:
> "Buck Murdock" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > In article . com>,
> > "Doug" > wrote:
>
> >> Bush term has run up more Federal deficit than any other president. We
> >> are SWAMPED in Federal red ink. We are getting away with it, for now.
> >> But it will rear it's ugly head someday, I believe. Trillions of
> >> Federal debt!!
>
> > Yup. A democrat will have to come clean up the mess, and get blamed for
> > stifling the economy because taxes went up, all to pay off Bush's war
> > tab. Infuriating.
>
> Infuriating that revenues are at an all time high?
>
> It's the SPENDING, stupid!

Yeah, primarily entitlement spending, but also the huge subsidies
provided to GA via GF transfers and taxes paid by passengers on
commercial flights.

[Matt Barrow]

"ktbr" > wrote in message
...
> Buck Murdock wrote:
>> Yup. A democrat will have to come clean up the mess, and get blamed for
>> stifling the economy because taxes went up, all to pay off Bush's war
>> tab. Infuriating.
>
> While the cost of the war in Iraq is high, it PALES in comparison
> with what social and entitlement programs cost the American taxpayer.

Military budget = $480 billion - Federal Budget = $2.9 tttttrillion : 16.5%
HHS budget $1.7 trillion = 55%

No where in Article 1, Section 8 do I see anything remotely akin to HHS (or
National Parks, etc., or even FAA)

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:14:33 GMT, Dallas
> wrote in
>:

>On 5 Feb 2007 14:09:21 -0800, Marco Leon wrote:
>
>> If it's the latter, then we are all about to get our asses handed
>> to us.
>
>Is AOPA doing more than just ringing alarm bells about all this?


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NO SURPRISE: FY2008 BUDGET CONTAINS AVIATION USER-FEE PROPOSAL
(http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/FY2008_Budget_User_Fees_194396-1.html)
The White House released the Fiscal Year 2008 budget amid fanfare on
Monday morning, but general aviation groups aren't jumping for joy. In
the DOT budget breakdown
(http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2008/pdf/appendix/dot.pdf),
the FAA allotment includes $175 million for a 21st Century satellite
navigation system to replace older air traffic control equipment and
$900 million in additional air traffic control system upgrades, but it
also includes an expected user-fee proposal. "The [Bush]
Administration will transmit a reauthorization proposal in 2007 that
transforms the FAA's excise tax financing system to a cost-based
system that recovers most of costs of air traffic services through
user fees," the document states. NBAA quickly rapped the Bush
Administration for the move: "After more than a year of intense
lobbying by the nation's big airlines, the White House has decided to
introduce a budget that shifts airline costs to other segments of the
industry and gives airlines more control over the air traffic system.
NBAA and the rest of the general aviation community will oppose this
toxic mix of higher taxes, new fees and airline control. The fact is
the current approach to funding and oversight of the aviation system
is effective and efficient -- there is no need for radical 'fixes'
like those proposed in this budget." http://www.avweb.com

[Dallas]

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:36:37 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote:

> I've no doubt that AOPAs DC folk (and Phil himself) are doing some serious
> flesh pressing. This is a subject that has been on AOPAs radar for quite
> some time.

I hope he's doing more than that. I know the AOPA funded a couple TV
commercials but that seems like a high cost/low effect effort.

I'd like to see the AOPA put together a coalition of GA manufacturers,
flight schools, aircraft dealers, charter companies, FBOs, insurance
companies to put some focused pressure on congress. I'm betting there are
quite a few private pilots in congress that could get heavily involved.


--
Dallas

[Dallas]

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:59:49 -0500, Blueskies wrote:

> Write your senators and representatives...we can change this...

I would add Phil's favorite statements that The United States has the
largest, safest, most efficient air transportation system in the world, why
should we jeopardize that with a change?

Write Your Representative:
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Senators of the 110th Congress:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


--
Dallas

[Dallas]

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:36:37 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote:

> her request to have access to USAF aircraft for her transportation

Yeah, she got her request approved today. Did you hear that she also
requested an aircraft to take her 150 miles to a Williamsburg retreat while
the other members of congress took a bus.

Thankfully her request was denied.

--
Dallas

[Matt Whiting]

Dallas wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:36:37 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote:
>
>
>>her request to have access to USAF aircraft for her transportation
>
>
> Yeah, she got her request approved today. Did you hear that she also
> requested an aircraft to take her 150 miles to a Williamsburg retreat while
> the other members of congress took a bus.
>
> Thankfully her request was denied.
>

Anyone who thinks the Democrats are any different than the Republiclans
is naive beyond belief.

Matt

[Don Tuite]

On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:03:11 GMT, Matt Whiting >
wrote:

>Dallas wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:36:37 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>her request to have access to USAF aircraft for her transportation
>>
>>
>> Yeah, she got her request approved today. Did you hear that she also
>> requested an aircraft to take her 150 miles to a Williamsburg retreat while
>> the other members of congress took a bus.
>>
>> Thankfully her request was denied.
>>
>
>Anyone who thinks the Democrats are any different than the Republiclans
>is naive beyond belief.
>
Anybody who imagines a group of US Representatives or Senators
climbing on a bus and singing "100 Bottles of Beer on the Wall" for
any distance, much less 150 miles, has a tenuous grasp on reality.

Don (Okay, they can sing "On the Road Again.")

[Matt Barrow]

"Don Tuite" > wrote in message
...
>>
> Anybody who imagines a group of US Representatives or Senators
> climbing on a bus and singing "100 Bottles of Beer on the Wall" for
> any distance, much less 150 miles, has a tenuous grasp on reality.
>
> Don (Okay, they can sing "On the Road Again.")

If they're not wearing their hair in braids, it just doesn't cut it.

[Morgans]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Buck Murdock" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Yup. A democrat will have to come clean up the mess, and get blamed for
>> stifling the economy because taxes went up, all to pay off Bush's war
>> tab.
>
> Defense is all of 16% of the budget, up from 14.5%.
>
> A peak at might be a benefit, too.
>
> Get a clue!

How about a hint, or a link? What is the Article 1, Section 8?
--
Jim in NC