Air Force investigating intermittent engine failure on aircraft.

[SPLASH-TWO]

Air Force trouble shooters cannot figure out why No.1 engine keeps shutting
down......

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CHECK-SIX
IF YESTERDAY WAS WAR YOU WOULD BE A SMOKING HOLE IN THE GROUND!!!!

[Ron]

"SPLASH-TWO" > wrote in message
...
> Air Force trouble shooters cannot figure out why No.1 engine keeps
> shutting down......
>
Yeah, it must be really scary, loosing one engine on a B-52

Ron
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Non urinat in ventum

[Mike Henley]

"SPLASH-TWO" > wrote in message
...
> Air Force trouble shooters cannot figure out why No.1 engine keeps
> shutting down......
>
I believe that's a Navy P-3.

[Mechanical Menace]

"Ron" > wrote in news:4562b416$0$41098$dbd41001
@news.euronet.nl:

>
> "SPLASH-TWO" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Air Force trouble shooters cannot figure out why No.1 engine keeps
>> shutting down......
>>
> Yeah, it must be really scary, loosing one engine on a B-52
>
> Ron

Isn't that what somebody called the dreaded 7-engined landing!

Cheers,

Dennis

[Boomerang]

Sure is.

[Blue Oval/Dan Edwards]

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
>
> "SPLASH-TWO" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Air Force trouble shooters cannot figure out why No.1 engine keeps
> > shutting down......
> >
> Yeah, it must be really scary, loosing one engine on a B-52
>
> Ron
> --
> Non urinat in ventum

Below is a B-52 cockpit photo which looks nothing like the one posted by
Splash Two.

Dan Edwards
>
>

[Ron]

"Blue Oval/Dan Edwards" > wrote in message
. ..
>
>
> Below is a B-52 cockpit photo which looks nothing like the one posted by
> Splash Two.
>
> Dan Edwards
>>
My bad, I saw the center windscreen, and my Air Force heart said "B-52". I
just learned it is a Navy P-3. Who routinely shutdown one engine to save on
fuel costs (the cheapos). And I should have realised of course that no Air
Force pilot would carry something like that, regardless of gender.

The Navy however...

* runs

Ron
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Non urinat in ventum

[Blue Oval/Dan Edwards]

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Blue Oval/Dan Edwards" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >
> >
> > Below is a B-52 cockpit photo which looks nothing like the one posted by
> > Splash Two.
> >
> > Dan Edwards
> >>
> My bad, I saw the center windscreen, and my Air Force heart said "B-52". I
> just learned it is a Navy P-3. Who routinely shutdown one engine to save
on
> fuel costs (the cheapos). And I should have realised of course that no Air
> Force pilot would carry something like that, regardless of gender.
>
> The Navy however...
>
> * runs
>
> Ron
> --
> Non urinat in ventum

Ron,
I know that you know your stuff. If you remember, you and I went round
and round about the F-4 Phantoms on pedestals I posted over a year ago from
WPAFB. I said they were E's, you said they were D's. You were right, I was
wrong. I even went back to prove you were wrong and saw the plaques on the
pedestals which clearly said they were D's. I photographed them and posted
them with an apology to you.
They have since removed the two Phantoms and replaced them with an F-15
and F-16. Kind of made me sad since the Phantom is my all time "phavorite
phighter". Fell in love with the Phantoms while stationed at Kunsan AB,
Korea from June 1974 to June 1975.

Dan Edwards
>
>

[David Hartung]

Mike Henley wrote:
> "SPLASH-TWO" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Air Force trouble shooters cannot figure out why No.1 engine keeps
>> shutting down......
>>
> I believe that's a Navy P-3.

With a ltJG as aircraft commander?

[Bob Moore]

David Hartung wrote
> With a ltJG as aircraft commander?

Could be....but when I served as a P-3 Patrol Plane Commander,
unlike airline practice, we rotated seats with all of the pilots
on the crew. Alan, Rick, and Mal got as much time in the left
seat as I did. Al Anderson, the assigned SIC was also rated as
a PPC and I felt quite comfortable seated in the cabin while he
and Rick or Mal flew routine flights.

Bob Moore
VP-46 1965-1967
PanAm (retired)

[Bob Moore]

Ron wrote
> I just learned it is a Navy P-3. Who routinely shutdown one
> engine to save on fuel costs (the cheapos).

NOPE!! We shut down one or two engines to extend the patrol
time. Something that is peculiar only to constant speed
turboprop engines.

Bob Moore
VP-46 1965-1967
PanAm (retired)

[Boomerang]

Two points - First, the fact that she's in the left seat doesn't imply she's
the PPC. Seat rotation is quite routine in the VP community. Second, as a
former VP Commanding Officer, we always tried to have at least one crew for
a first tour (read LTJG) PPC in the P3. Earlier in the twelve plane SP-2H
outfits, we frequently had two or sometimes three first-tour guys with
crews.

[Harriet and John]

With all due respect and as a matter of possible interest, even though this
may be a shopped photo, she's flying with number one feathered, probably on
station, a completely normal situation for economical station keeping. Lots
of P3 drivers take great pains in this mode to remember in an emergency that
number one's caged and NOT reach for that yellow handle when you need to
feather one of the others. I knew a guy who put his ball cap on the number
one engine handle for that purpose, and if the purse works for her, so what?

[Ron]

"Blue Oval/Dan Edwards" > wrote in message
. ..
> Ron,
> I know that you know your stuff. If you remember, you and I went round
> and round about the F-4 Phantoms on pedestals I posted over a year ago
> from
> WPAFB. I said they were E's, you said they were D's. You were right, I was
> wrong. I even went back to prove you were wrong and saw the plaques on the
> pedestals which clearly said they were D's. I photographed them and posted
> them with an apology to you.
> They have since removed the two Phantoms and replaced them with an F-15
> and F-16. Kind of made me sad since the Phantom is my all time "phavorite
> phighter". Fell in love with the Phantoms while stationed at Kunsan AB,
> Korea from June 1974 to June 1975.
>
How dare they! Those guys have no sense of history. Nothing bad about the
F-15 and -16, but removing Phantoms from their honorary place...
I just hope they do not end on a scrapheap.

Ron

[Ron]

"Bob Moore" > wrote in message
. 122...
> Ron wrote
>> I just learned it is a Navy P-3. Who routinely shutdown one
>> engine to save on fuel costs (the cheapos).
>
> NOPE!! We shut down one or two engines to extend the patrol
> time. Something that is peculiar only to constant speed
> turboprop engines.
>
I just *knew* some Navy guy would take the bait... :-)

Either way: you got extra flight-time at a bargain price.

Ron
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Non urinat in ventum

[Netko]

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:50:20 +0000, Harriet and John wrote
(in message >):

> feather one of the others. I knew a guy who put his ball cap on the number

It's childish, I know, but this put me in mind of Buster Gonad,
seen here on the nose of an RAF Jaguar during Operation Granby,
1990-91.

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[Scubabix]

In fact, #1 engine does not drive any compressors or generators or other
flight necessary equipment to allow it to be shut down without losing
systems. I do have a feeling that this photo was either staged or
Photoshop'd. I don't know a single Flight Engineer that would let a pilot
hang anything on their E-handles.
Rob
SH-2F
SH-3H
P-3C Sensor Three (Retired)

"Bob Moore" > wrote in message
. 122...
> Ron wrote
>> I just learned it is a Navy P-3. Who routinely shutdown one
>> engine to save on fuel costs (the cheapos).
>
> NOPE!! We shut down one or two engines to extend the patrol
> time. Something that is peculiar only to constant speed
> turboprop engines.
>
> Bob Moore
> VP-46 1965-1967
> PanAm (retired)

[Grumpy AuContraire]

Bob Moore wrote:
>
> David Hartung wrote
> > With a ltJG as aircraft commander?
>
> Could be....but when I served as a P-3 Patrol Plane Commander,
> unlike airline practice, we rotated seats with all of the pilots
> on the crew. Alan, Rick, and Mal got as much time in the left
> seat as I did. Al Anderson, the assigned SIC was also rated as
> a PPC and I felt quite comfortable seated in the cabin while he
> and Rick or Mal flew routine flights.
>
> Bob Moore
> VP-46 1965-1967
> PanAm (retired)



And in many cases, the enlisted crew (and guests) got some right seat time...

JT

[David Hartung]

Boomerang wrote:
> Two points - First, the fact that she's in the left seat doesn't imply she's
> the PPC. Seat rotation is quite routine in the VP community. Second, as a
> former VP Commanding Officer, we always tried to have at least one crew for
> a first tour (read LTJG) PPC in the P3. Earlier in the twelve plane SP-2H
> outfits, we frequently had two or sometimes three first-tour guys with
> crews.

Thanks for the education.

[Bob Moore]

Grumpy AuContraire wrote
> And in many cases, the enlisted crew (and guests) got some right seat
> time...

Naw! Mine got "left seat" time.....and thought that they were
great pilots with the "control wheel stearing" ON. :-)

Bob

[john smith]

> > And in many cases, the enlisted crew (and guests) got some right seat
> > time...

> Naw! Mine got "left seat" time.....and thought that they were
> great pilots with the "control wheel stearing" ON. :-)

My father (the Staff Sargent radio operator) got left seat time in
C-119's in the early 1950's flying Western Europe and North Africa.

[Bob Harrington]

Netko > wrote in
x.com:

> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:50:20 +0000, Harriet and John wrote
> (in message >):
>
>> feather one of the others. I knew a guy who put his ball cap on the
>> number
>
> It's childish, I know, but this put me in mind of Buster Gonad,
> seen here on the nose of an RAF Jaguar during Operation Granby,
> 1990-91.

Golly... And the US military take flak for the occasional 'colorful' bit of
noseart... ;^}

[Netko]

On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 3:58:27 +0000, Bob Harrington wrote
(in message >):

>>> feather one of the others. I knew a guy who put his ball cap on the
>>> number
>>
>> It's childish, I know, but this put me in mind of Buster Gonad,
>> seen here on the nose of an RAF Jaguar during Operation Granby,
>> 1990-91.
>
> Golly... And the US military take flak for the occasional 'colorful' bit of
> noseart... ;^}

The RAF's own site describes the nose art from Granby as risque and
not for the easily offended. However, it proudly carries it all
the same, linked from:

http://www.raf.mod.uk/gulf/colours.html

Buster Gonad is a character from a comic called Viz, as are Tray
and San, the Fat Slags, seen here on a Hercules.

http://www.viz.co.uk/

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[Alan Erskine]

"Netko" > wrote in message
x.com...

> Buster Gonad is a character from a comic called Viz, as are Tray
> and San, the Fat Slags, seen here on a Hercules.

That's from the Falkland's War.


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Alan Erskine

[Netko]

On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:32:39 +0000, Alan Erskine wrote
(in message >):

> That's from the Falkland's War.

I'm sure you have a good reason for saying that and I know I get
things wrong but, as witnesses for the defence, I call the Royal
Air Force and the British Broadcasting Corporation:

"Initially, the Hercules fleet was deployed in the European
camouflage" (plus the picture):

http://www.raf.mod.uk/gulf/support.html#herc

"Created in 1989":

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3759970.stm

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[Alan Erskine]

"Netko" > wrote in message
x.com...
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:32:39 +0000, Alan Erskine wrote
> (in message >):
>
> > That's from the Falkland's War.
>
> I'm sure you have a good reason for saying that and I know I get
> things wrong but, as witnesses for the defence, I call the Royal
> Air Force and the British Broadcasting Corporation:
>
> "Initially, the Hercules fleet was deployed in the European
> camouflage" (plus the picture):
>
> http://www.raf.mod.uk/gulf/support.html#herc
>
> "Created in 1989":
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3759970.stm

Ah well, I've been wrong before. :-)


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Alan Erskine