ID request (Miss Stanford)

[Ken Barnes]

Can anyone identify this aircraft? Does anyone have any other photos of this
aircraft, or other another aircraft of the same manufacturer, and model. One
of the people in my R/C aircraft club wants to model this aircraft and it
would help to have more photos, specifications, 3 views, etc. The photo was
taken at the then Palo Alto, California airport located on what is now
Stanford University.

Thanks in advance
Ken

[Mitchell Holman]

"Ken Barnes" > wrote in
:

> Can anyone identify this aircraft? Does anyone have any other photos of
> this aircraft, or other another aircraft of the same manufacturer, and
> model. One of the people in my R/C aircraft club wants to model this
> aircraft and it would help to have more photos, specifications, 3 views,
> etc. The photo was taken at the then Palo Alto, California airport
> located on what is now Stanford University.


Fairchild Pilgrim would be my guess.

[Ray O'Hara]

"Ken Barnes" > wrote in message
. ..
> Can anyone identify this aircraft? Does anyone have any other photos of
this
> aircraft, or other another aircraft of the same manufacturer, and model.
One
> of the people in my R/C aircraft club wants to model this aircraft and it
> would help to have more photos, specifications, 3 views, etc. The photo
was
> taken at the then Palo Alto, California airport located on what is now
> Stanford University.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ken
>
>
>


Fairchild 100B Pilgrim

except for the enclosed cockpit this seems to be the same

[Ray O'Hara]

"Ken Barnes" > wrote in message
. ..
> Can anyone identify this aircraft? Does anyone have any other photos of
this
> aircraft, or other another aircraft of the same manufacturer, and model.
One
> of the people in my R/C aircraft club wants to model this aircraft and it
> would help to have more photos, specifications, 3 views, etc. The photo
was
> taken at the then Palo Alto, California airport located on what is now
> Stanford University.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ken
>
>



go to this url it has several pictures

http://www.1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Shumaker/3535.htm

[Stanley Outlaw]

"Ray O'Hara" > wrote in message
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>
> "Ken Barnes" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Can anyone identify this aircraft? Does anyone have any other photos of
> this
>> aircraft, or other another aircraft of the same manufacturer, and model.
> One
>> of the people in my R/C aircraft club wants to model this aircraft and it
>> would help to have more photos, specifications, 3 views, etc. The photo
> was
>> taken at the then Palo Alto, California airport located on what is now
>> Stanford University.
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Fairchild 100B Pilgrim
>
> except for the enclosed cockpit this seems to be the same
>
>
>
Those two aircraft look about as much alike as a F-86 and a F-100. One is
much larger than the other, Look at the landing gear, not the same, one has
an engine cowling the other doesn't. About all they have in commend is they
are both high wing and use a prop.

[Ray O'Hara]

"Stanley Outlaw" > wrote in message
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>
> "Ray O'Hara" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >
> > "Ken Barnes" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> >> Can anyone identify this aircraft? Does anyone have any other photos of
> > this
> >> aircraft, or other another aircraft of the same manufacturer, and
model.
> > One
> >> of the people in my R/C aircraft club wants to model this aircraft and
it
> >> would help to have more photos, specifications, 3 views, etc. The photo
> > was
> >> taken at the then Palo Alto, California airport located on what is now
> >> Stanford University.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance
> >> Ken
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Fairchild 100B Pilgrim
> >
> > except for the enclosed cockpit this seems to be the same
> >
> >
> >
> Those two aircraft look about as much alike as a F-86 and a F-100. One is
> much larger than the other, Look at the landing gear, not the same, one
has
> an engine cowling the other doesn't. About all they have in commend is
they
> are both high wing and use a prop.
>
>


they are the same size. the difference is the cowel and covered cockpit. it
is just an improved version it would seem

[John[_8_]]

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:59:52 -0500, "Ray O'Hara" >
wrote:


> Fairchild 100B Pilgrim
>
>except for the enclosed cockpit this seems to be the same

Look at the men as a scale reference - your aircraft is larger than
the first, the strut arrnagement and wheel bracing are totally
different. The horizontal tail is mounted higher (slightly - yours is
at the base of the virtical fin, the first is just below the top of
the fuselage) on your plane than the first.

They are similar, possibly by the same manufacturer, but they are
different aircraft.

John Alger USN(ret)
1972-1997 // 1310,1320
TA-4J, A-7E, EC-130Q, P-3B

[Ray O'Hara]

"John" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:59:52 -0500, "Ray O'Hara" >
> wrote:
>
>
> > Fairchild 100B Pilgrim
> >
> >except for the enclosed cockpit this seems to be the same
>
> Look at the men as a scale reference - your aircraft is larger than
> the first, the strut arrnagement and wheel bracing are totally
> different. The horizontal tail is mounted higher (slightly - yours is
> at the base of the virtical fin, the first is just below the top of
> the fuselage) on your plane than the first.
>

the men are the same in relation to the plane size. the fuselage is the
same.
it is just a later model.they moved one strut enclosed the cockpit{barely}
and added a cowel. all minor changes.

[Tom Inglima]

This is a Breese 5. the following site has a copy of the original
application for a airworthiness certificate for the airplane. The builder
was Vance Breese who later became a pilot for Lockheed aircraft.
http://www.dmairfield.com/people/breese_va/Breese.pdf There is also a
pretty good drawing of the airplane with much of the known information
written on fairly recent United Airlines stationary. Several were built and
as you will see there was actually two Breese model five airplanes out of a
total of 15 entrants in the Dole Oakland to Honolulu air race of 1927. One
of them Aloha was one of the only two airplanes to actually make it to
Hawaii, although Art Goebel's Woolaroc won the race. The other Breese "5"
crashed on take-off.. A picture of Mr. Breese of Mr.Breese and a short bio
is at: http://www.dmairfield.com/people/breese_va/index.html

Aerofiles at: http://www.aerofiles.com/regs-e.html Has a record of the
registration 534E as belonging to: 534E Breese (Wright J5B)

The whole business of why the registration does not have the "N" to denote a
US registered aircraft may be because the model 5 did not meet airworthiness
standards of the day. See the excerpt from Aerofiles below or on their site
listed above.

Tom Inglima
11/29/2006

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FROM AEROFILES:

Long a source of confusion for researchers, the plan for aircraft licenses
and their display was actually grounded in logic, short-sighted though it
may have been. A summary, digested in chronological form from William T
Larkins' work in British Air Pictorial in 1954, is presented in hopes of
clarifying the waters a bit:

1919 = The Convention for the Regulation of Air Navigation, as part of the
October 1919 Peace Conference, created the system of international
identification still in use that sets the first letter(s) as country of
origin: N for United States, D for Germany, G for Great Britain, SE for
Sweden, etc. This system was in use for seven years before it was formally
ratified by our government.

1921 = In July the National Aircraft Underwriters Association, a service
organization for the insurance industry, established a five-letter licensing
code, but this system was voluntary with no governmental teeth in it.
Because of indifference from manufacturers (only 33 planes were registered
by the end of 1922, and it's doubtful if that number exceeded 50). It was
history by 1925, but some aircraft of that period appeared as N-ABCA,
N-ABCB, etc; see below.

1926 = In May the first real attempt at organization came with the federal
Air Commerce Act that went into effect in January 1927. In this system a
class letter C, S, or P was to be added, denoting Commercial, State, or
Private. C specified approved (airworthy) airplanes used in commerce and the
air mail, but this was amended in 1930 to include any aircraft meeting
minimum government airworthiness requirements regardless of its use. S was
for state- or federal-owned planes, with most all states requiring aircraft
operated within their boundaries to bear an NC number (Oregon, where much
flying activity took place, was a notable exception), but this was dropped
in 1937. P only lasted until March 1927 to sort out private aircraft from C
and S (no example of an NP designation was located). A limit of five numbers
seemed adequate at the time for present and future aircraft, but these were
all taken by 1929!

"Identified Aircraft" was the term used to designate aircraft that did
not meet minimum airworthiness requirements, and it was possible to register
such an aircraft until March 1939. These would wear IMA (Identification Mark
Assignment) numbers, usually without the N.

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"Ken Barnes" > wrote in message
. ..
> Can anyone identify this aircraft? Does anyone have any other photos of
> this
> aircraft, or other another aircraft of the same manufacturer, and model.
> One
> of the people in my R/C aircraft club wants to model this aircraft and it
> would help to have more photos, specifications, 3 views, etc. The photo
> was
> taken at the then Palo Alto, California airport located on what is now
> Stanford University.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ken
>
>
>

[Willem Van der Voort]

"Tom Inglima" > schreef in bericht
.. .
> This is a Breese 5. the following site has a copy of the original
> application for a airworthiness certificate for the airplane. The builder
> was Vance Breese who later became a pilot for Lockheed aircraft.
> http://www.dmairfield.com/people/breese_va/Breese.pdf

Thank you, for the information, 100% correct



Willem
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[Alan[_2_]]

Stetson?

Ken Barnes wrote:
> Can anyone identify this aircraft? Does anyone have any other photos of this
> aircraft, or other another aircraft of the same manufacturer, and model. One
> of the people in my R/C aircraft club wants to model this aircraft and it
> would help to have more photos, specifications, 3 views, etc. The photo was
> taken at the then Palo Alto, California airport located on what is now
> Stanford University.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ken
>
>
>

[Ken Barnes]

I want to thank everyone for their replies. My R/C club meets Wednesday, and
I will pass the information on at that time.

Thanks again
Ken

"Ken Barnes" > wrote in message
. ..
> Can anyone identify this aircraft? Does anyone have any other photos of
> this aircraft, or other another aircraft of the same manufacturer, and
> model. One of the people in my R/C aircraft club wants to model this
> aircraft and it would help to have more photos, specifications, 3 views,
> etc. The photo was taken at the then Palo Alto, California airport located
> on what is now Stanford University.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ken
>
>
>