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Mitchell Holman
December 18th 06, 02:24 PM
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What started it all...........

Bruce R
December 18th 06, 06:18 PM
Whatever happened to the group that made the exact replica to fly it on the
anniversay date and all it did was slew off into a mud puddle. Never heard
a peep about them after that.


Bruce R








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Bruce R
December 18th 06, 06:18 PM
Whatever happened to the group that made the exact replica to fly it on the
anniversay date and all it did was slew off into a mud puddle. Never heard
a peep about them after that.


Bruce R








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December 18th 06, 11:25 PM
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if you go to the smithsonian you can impress your friends by pointing out
the "flyer" is hanging higher than it ever flew.

Ray O'Hara
December 18th 06, 11:25 PM
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if you go to the smithsonian you can impress your friends by pointing out
the "flyer" is hanging higher than it ever flew.

Mitchell Holman
December 19th 06, 12:44 AM
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> the "flyer" is hanging higher than it ever flew.
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Or that while the US invented the airplane,
it was France that made all the major advances
with it for the next decade.

Mitchell Holman
December 19th 06, 12:44 AM
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> the "flyer" is hanging higher than it ever flew.
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Or that while the US invented the airplane,
it was France that made all the major advances
with it for the next decade.

Peter Dohm
December 19th 06, 06:05 AM
"Mitchell Holman" > wrote in message
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> > the "flyer" is hanging higher than it ever flew.
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> Or that while the US invented the airplane,
> it was France that made all the major advances
> with it for the next decade.
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The enabling technology had just reached a level at which there were a
number of contenders, some of whom were French, at the time of the Wrights'
first flight--so that there was an element of luck in being first, in
addition to the obvious hard work and dedication.

However, from what I have heard, the Wrights and the US Patent Office were
also the principal reason that aviation technology in the US was virtually
frozen for the next decade. That allowed the French, who were and still are
very strong contenders in engineering and medicine, to make most of the
contibutions to aviation.

Regrettably, there is reason to suppose that the same is now happening to us
with regard to computer software--although the beneficiaries appear to be
different.
Peter
Just repeating what I have heard

Peter Dohm
December 19th 06, 06:05 AM
"Mitchell Holman" > wrote in message
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> out
> > the "flyer" is hanging higher than it ever flew.
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> Or that while the US invented the airplane,
> it was France that made all the major advances
> with it for the next decade.
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The enabling technology had just reached a level at which there were a
number of contenders, some of whom were French, at the time of the Wrights'
first flight--so that there was an element of luck in being first, in
addition to the obvious hard work and dedication.

However, from what I have heard, the Wrights and the US Patent Office were
also the principal reason that aviation technology in the US was virtually
frozen for the next decade. That allowed the French, who were and still are
very strong contenders in engineering and medicine, to make most of the
contibutions to aviation.

Regrettably, there is reason to suppose that the same is now happening to us
with regard to computer software--although the beneficiaries appear to be
different.
Peter
Just repeating what I have heard

Luke
December 19th 06, 08:29 AM
"Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
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> The enabling technology had just reached a level at which there were a
> number of contenders, some of whom were French, at the time of the
Wrights'
> first flight--so that there was an element of luck in being first, in
> addition to the obvious hard work and dedication.
>
> However, from what I have heard, the Wrights and the US Patent Office were
> also the principal reason that aviation technology in the US was virtually
> frozen for the next decade. That allowed the French, who were and still
are
> very strong contenders in engineering and medicine, to make most of the
> contibutions to aviation.
>
> Regrettably, there is reason to suppose that the same is now happening to
us
> with regard to computer software--although the beneficiaries appear to be
> different.
> Peter
> Just repeating what I have heard


Welcome to the down side of capitalism....


Luke

Luke
December 19th 06, 08:29 AM
"Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
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> >
> The enabling technology had just reached a level at which there were a
> number of contenders, some of whom were French, at the time of the
Wrights'
> first flight--so that there was an element of luck in being first, in
> addition to the obvious hard work and dedication.
>
> However, from what I have heard, the Wrights and the US Patent Office were
> also the principal reason that aviation technology in the US was virtually
> frozen for the next decade. That allowed the French, who were and still
are
> very strong contenders in engineering and medicine, to make most of the
> contibutions to aviation.
>
> Regrettably, there is reason to suppose that the same is now happening to
us
> with regard to computer software--although the beneficiaries appear to be
> different.
> Peter
> Just repeating what I have heard


Welcome to the down side of capitalism....


Luke

Mitchell Holman
December 19th 06, 01:28 PM
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>> >
>> >
>> > if you go to the smithsonian you can impress your friends by
>> > pointing
>> out
>> > the "flyer" is hanging higher than it ever flew.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Or that while the US invented the airplane,
>> it was France that made all the major advances
>> with it for the next decade.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> The enabling technology had just reached a level at which there were a
> number of contenders, some of whom were French, at the time of the
> Wrights' first flight--so that there was an element of luck in being
> first, in addition to the obvious hard work and dedication.
>
> However, from what I have heard, the Wrights and the US Patent Office
> were also the principal reason that aviation technology in the US was
> virtually frozen for the next decade. That allowed the French, who were
> and still are very strong contenders in engineering and medicine, to
> make most of the contibutions to aviation.
>
> Regrettably, there is reason to suppose that the same is now happening
> to us with regard to computer software--although the beneficiaries
> appear to be different.
> Peter
> Just repeating what I have heard
>


True enough. While the Wrights were suing everyone
using their "wing warping" technology the French were
holding air races and inventing ailerons and rotary
engines and the tractor configuration. When WWI broke
out the allies turned to France to supply them with planes.

Mitchell Holman
December 19th 06, 01:28 PM
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > if you go to the smithsonian you can impress your friends by
>> > pointing
>> out
>> > the "flyer" is hanging higher than it ever flew.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Or that while the US invented the airplane,
>> it was France that made all the major advances
>> with it for the next decade.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> The enabling technology had just reached a level at which there were a
> number of contenders, some of whom were French, at the time of the
> Wrights' first flight--so that there was an element of luck in being
> first, in addition to the obvious hard work and dedication.
>
> However, from what I have heard, the Wrights and the US Patent Office
> were also the principal reason that aviation technology in the US was
> virtually frozen for the next decade. That allowed the French, who were
> and still are very strong contenders in engineering and medicine, to
> make most of the contibutions to aviation.
>
> Regrettably, there is reason to suppose that the same is now happening
> to us with regard to computer software--although the beneficiaries
> appear to be different.
> Peter
> Just repeating what I have heard
>


True enough. While the Wrights were suing everyone
using their "wing warping" technology the French were
holding air races and inventing ailerons and rotary
engines and the tractor configuration. When WWI broke
out the allies turned to France to supply them with planes.

No Name
December 19th 06, 02:19 PM
Was Alberto Santos-Dumont

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Santos-Dumont






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No Name
December 19th 06, 02:19 PM
Was Alberto Santos-Dumont

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Santos-Dumont






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Blume, Alf[_1_]
December 19th 06, 02:42 PM
"Luke" > skrev i en meddelelse
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> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
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>> >
>> The enabling technology had just reached a level at which there were a
>> number of contenders, some of whom were French, at the time of the
> Wrights'
>> first flight--so that there was an element of luck in being first, in
>> addition to the obvious hard work and dedication.
>>
>> However, from what I have heard, the Wrights and the US Patent Office
>> were
>> also the principal reason that aviation technology in the US was
>> virtually
>> frozen for the next decade. That allowed the French, who were and still
> are
>> very strong contenders in engineering and medicine, to make most of the
>> contibutions to aviation.
>>
>> Regrettably, there is reason to suppose that the same is now happening to
> us
>> with regard to computer software--although the beneficiaries appear to be
>> different.
>> Peter
>> Just repeating what I have heard
>
>
> Welcome to the down side of capitalism....

There's only one?

Blume, Alf[_1_]
December 19th 06, 02:42 PM
"Luke" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
>
> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
> ...
>> >
>> The enabling technology had just reached a level at which there were a
>> number of contenders, some of whom were French, at the time of the
> Wrights'
>> first flight--so that there was an element of luck in being first, in
>> addition to the obvious hard work and dedication.
>>
>> However, from what I have heard, the Wrights and the US Patent Office
>> were
>> also the principal reason that aviation technology in the US was
>> virtually
>> frozen for the next decade. That allowed the French, who were and still
> are
>> very strong contenders in engineering and medicine, to make most of the
>> contibutions to aviation.
>>
>> Regrettably, there is reason to suppose that the same is now happening to
> us
>> with regard to computer software--although the beneficiaries appear to be
>> different.
>> Peter
>> Just repeating what I have heard
>
>
> Welcome to the down side of capitalism....

There's only one?

Skyway
December 19th 06, 05:40 PM
While capitalism is not perfect, it is the better than the alternative(s)
IMHO...

"Blume, Alf" <AlfBlume(a)hotmaildotcom> wrote in message
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> "Luke" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
>>
>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
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>>> >
>>> The enabling technology had just reached a level at which there were a
>>> number of contenders, some of whom were French, at the time of the
>> Wrights'
>>> first flight--so that there was an element of luck in being first, in
>>> addition to the obvious hard work and dedication.
>>>
>>> However, from what I have heard, the Wrights and the US Patent Office
>>> were
>>> also the principal reason that aviation technology in the US was
>>> virtually
>>> frozen for the next decade. That allowed the French, who were and still
>> are
>>> very strong contenders in engineering and medicine, to make most of the
>>> contibutions to aviation.
>>>
>>> Regrettably, there is reason to suppose that the same is now happening
>>> to
>> us
>>> with regard to computer software--although the beneficiaries appear to
>>> be
>>> different.
>>> Peter
>>> Just repeating what I have heard
>>
>>
>> Welcome to the down side of capitalism....
>
> There's only one?
>

Skyway
December 19th 06, 05:40 PM
While capitalism is not perfect, it is the better than the alternative(s)
IMHO...

"Blume, Alf" <AlfBlume(a)hotmaildotcom> wrote in message
k...
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> "Luke" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
>>
>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> >
>>> The enabling technology had just reached a level at which there were a
>>> number of contenders, some of whom were French, at the time of the
>> Wrights'
>>> first flight--so that there was an element of luck in being first, in
>>> addition to the obvious hard work and dedication.
>>>
>>> However, from what I have heard, the Wrights and the US Patent Office
>>> were
>>> also the principal reason that aviation technology in the US was
>>> virtually
>>> frozen for the next decade. That allowed the French, who were and still
>> are
>>> very strong contenders in engineering and medicine, to make most of the
>>> contibutions to aviation.
>>>
>>> Regrettably, there is reason to suppose that the same is now happening
>>> to
>> us
>>> with regard to computer software--although the beneficiaries appear to
>>> be
>>> different.
>>> Peter
>>> Just repeating what I have heard
>>
>>
>> Welcome to the down side of capitalism....
>
> There's only one?
>

No Name
December 19th 06, 09:59 PM
And the alternative is? What? Having to live on what you produce?

"Skyway" > wrote in message
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> While capitalism is not perfect, it is the better than the alternative(s)
> IMHO...
>
> "Blume, Alf" <AlfBlume(a)hotmaildotcom> wrote in message
> k...
> >
> > "Luke" > skrev i en meddelelse
> > ...
> >>
> >> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> >
> >>> The enabling technology had just reached a level at which there were a
> >>> number of contenders, some of whom were French, at the time of the
> >> Wrights'
> >>> first flight--so that there was an element of luck in being first, in
> >>> addition to the obvious hard work and dedication.
> >>>
> >>> However, from what I have heard, the Wrights and the US Patent Office
> >>> were
> >>> also the principal reason that aviation technology in the US was
> >>> virtually
> >>> frozen for the next decade. That allowed the French, who were and
still
> >> are
> >>> very strong contenders in engineering and medicine, to make most of
the
> >>> contibutions to aviation.
> >>>
> >>> Regrettably, there is reason to suppose that the same is now happening
> >>> to
> >> us
> >>> with regard to computer software--although the beneficiaries appear to
> >>> be
> >>> different.
> >>> Peter
> >>> Just repeating what I have heard
> >>
> >>
> >> Welcome to the down side of capitalism....
> >
> > There's only one?
> >
>

No Name
December 19th 06, 09:59 PM
And the alternative is? What? Having to live on what you produce?

"Skyway" > wrote in message
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> While capitalism is not perfect, it is the better than the alternative(s)
> IMHO...
>
> "Blume, Alf" <AlfBlume(a)hotmaildotcom> wrote in message
> k...
> >
> > "Luke" > skrev i en meddelelse
> > ...
> >>
> >> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> >
> >>> The enabling technology had just reached a level at which there were a
> >>> number of contenders, some of whom were French, at the time of the
> >> Wrights'
> >>> first flight--so that there was an element of luck in being first, in
> >>> addition to the obvious hard work and dedication.
> >>>
> >>> However, from what I have heard, the Wrights and the US Patent Office
> >>> were
> >>> also the principal reason that aviation technology in the US was
> >>> virtually
> >>> frozen for the next decade. That allowed the French, who were and
still
> >> are
> >>> very strong contenders in engineering and medicine, to make most of
the
> >>> contibutions to aviation.
> >>>
> >>> Regrettably, there is reason to suppose that the same is now happening
> >>> to
> >> us
> >>> with regard to computer software--although the beneficiaries appear to
> >>> be
> >>> different.
> >>> Peter
> >>> Just repeating what I have heard
> >>
> >>
> >> Welcome to the down side of capitalism....
> >
> > There's only one?
> >
>

Blume, Alf[_1_]
December 20th 06, 09:51 AM
> skrev i en meddelelse
nk.net...
> And the alternative is? What? Having to live on what you produce?
>

The smell alone . . . .

Blume, Alf[_1_]
December 20th 06, 09:51 AM
> skrev i en meddelelse
nk.net...
> And the alternative is? What? Having to live on what you produce?
>

The smell alone . . . .

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