FA: 450 Stearman--opening bid $63k no reserve

[astra]

No Reserve, this will go to the highest bidder.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2445670513&cat
egory=26428&rd=1

[Dashi]

No Reserve? What do you call $63,000? It is the reserve.

Dashi

"astra" > wrote in message
...
> No Reserve, this will go to the highest bidder.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2445670513&cat
> egory=26428&rd=1
>
>

[Kyler Laird]

"Dashi" > writes:

>No Reserve?

Looks about right.

>What do you call $63,000?

According to the subject line, it's the "opening bid."

>It is the reserve.

In your world maybe. Not in eBay.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/buyer-reserve.html

--kyler

[Peter Gottlieb]

Different name, same effect. If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck,
looks like a duck...

"Kyler Laird" > wrote in message
...
> "Dashi" > writes:
>
> >No Reserve?
>
> Looks about right.
>
> >What do you call $63,000?
>
> According to the subject line, it's the "opening bid."
>
> >It is the reserve.
>
> In your world maybe. Not in eBay.
> http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/buyer-reserve.html
>
> --kyler

[Dashi]

Start it a $5.00 and it will be a real auction, not a phony one.

Dashi

"Kyler Laird" > wrote in message
...
> "Dashi" > writes:
>
> >No Reserve?
>
> Looks about right.
>
> >What do you call $63,000?
>
> According to the subject line, it's the "opening bid."
>
> >It is the reserve.
>
> In your world maybe. Not in eBay.
> http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/buyer-reserve.html
>
> --kyler

[Kyler Laird]

"Peter Gottlieb" > writes:

>> >It is the reserve.
>>
>> In your world maybe. Not in eBay.
>> http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/buyer-reserve.html

>Different name, same effect.

Except that it doesn't have the same effect.

>If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck,
>looks like a duck...

So you're blaming the guy for correctly using a well-defined word
for the community in which he's dealing to differentiate between
two very different things? That's an especially interesting
attitude from a pilot.

Do you think it's fine when people say "the airplane stalled" for
"the engine stopped"?

I recently bought my first item on eBay. There was no reserve and
the starting bid was $750. It didn't take me too long to figure
out what that meant and I didn't whine about the use of "reserve"
to mean exactly what it means.

What would you call it? "Peter's super secret low price"?

--kyler

[Peter Gottlieb]

"Kyler Laird" > wrote in message
...
> So you're blaming the guy for correctly using a well-defined word
> for the community in which he's dealing to differentiate between
> two very different things? That's an especially interesting
> attitude from a pilot.

Why so extreme? Nothing to do with being a pilot.

The only real difference between a reserve and a high opening bid is that
one is frequently hidden and the other is in the open.

> I recently bought my first item on eBay. There was no reserve and
> the starting bid was $750. It didn't take me too long to figure
> out what that meant and I didn't whine about the use of "reserve"
> to mean exactly what it means.

Who's the one "whining" now? I know exactly how eBay works and when I bid
(or choose not to) I do so with a full understanding of the rules and
definitions in place. Unless I really need something (and how much "stuff"
do we *really* need?) I tend to not bid in eBay auctions with a reserve
price but have no problem with those that have a specific starting bid, even
if significant.

But when someone loudly exclaims "No Reserve!," this to me is edging too
close to inferring a no minimim, absolute auction and this just seems a tad
deceptive to me.

Don't know why you seem so bent out of shape on this. It's just my
lighthearted, informal feeling on a rather inconsequencial detail of a small
part in the greater scheme of things.

Peter

[Roger Halstead]

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:09:06 GMT, Kyler Laird >
wrote:

>"Dashi" > writes:
>
>>No Reserve?
>
>Looks about right.
>
>>What do you call $63,000?
>
>According to the subject line, it's the "opening bid."
>
>>It is the reserve.
>
>In your world maybe. Not in eBay.
> http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/buyer-reserve.html

The only difference is a reserve isn't posted and a minimum bid is.
Essentially they are still the same thing. You just know one and have
to find the other.

In both cases whey will not sell below that figure.

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers, not spam
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>--kyler

[Kyler Laird]

"Peter Gottlieb" > writes:

>But when someone loudly exclaims "No Reserve!," this to me is edging too
>close to inferring a no minimim, absolute auction and this just seems a tad
>deceptive to me.

Deceptive?! Let's look at the subject.
450 Stearman--opening bid $63k no reserve
How could you get to "no reserve" without getting that the opening
bid is $63k?!

>Don't know why you seem so bent out of shape on this.

I think it's beyond dumb that you (and the other poster) would rip
on the guy for posting something completely correct here. What's the
deal?

Why did *you* get "so bent out of shape" about him correctly using
eBay terminology to accurately describe what he's doing?

--kyler

[Kyler Laird]

Roger Halstead > writes:

>>According to the subject line, it's the "opening bid."
>>
>>>It is the reserve.
>>
>>In your world maybe. Not in eBay.
>> http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/buyer-reserve.html

>The only difference is a reserve isn't posted and a minimum bid is.

Yup. They're different.

>Essentially they are still the same thing.

Except that they're different. They might have the same effect on
*you* but not on many others.

'course you could say that a Warrior and a 172 are the "same thing"
and a lot of people would probably agree with you. Doesn't mean
you're right and you'd certainly be out of line if you ripped on
someone who knew better.

>You just know one and have
>to find the other.

>In both cases whey will not sell below that figure.

Actually reserves are a bit more flexible. At least the seller *can*
choose to sell to someone who bids below the reserve.

I still prefer not dealing with a reserve. I gather a lot of other
people do too since it's often a prominent feature of an auction.

--kyler

[Peter Gottlieb]

"Kyler Laird" > wrote in message
...
> I think it's beyond dumb that you (and the other poster) would rip
> on the guy for posting something completely correct here. What's the
> deal?

You haven't seen me "rip" on someone. I was simply making a passing
comment.

[Peter Gottlieb]

This thread has got to be the dumbest thing to spar over in the history of
this NG.

"Kyler Laird" > wrote in message
...
> Roger Halstead > writes:
>
> >>According to the subject line, it's the "opening bid."
> >>
> >>>It is the reserve.
> >>

[Dashi]

"Peter Gottlieb" > wrote in message
. ..
> This thread has got to be the dumbest thing to spar over in the history of
> this NG.

Entertaining though,

"The other poster"! :)

> "Kyler Laird" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Roger Halstead > writes:
> >
> > >>According to the subject line, it's the "opening bid."
> > >>
> > >>>It is the reserve.
> > >>
>
>

[Kyler Laird]

"Dashi" > writes:

>"Peter Gottlieb" > wrote in message
. ..
>> This thread has got to be the dumbest thing to spar over in the history of
>> this NG.

>Entertaining though,

>"The other poster"! :)

Yup. That is what's disturbs me. A few dumb/mean people have
made the aviation newsgroups inhospitable. Someone like the OP
saunters in and posts something *perfectly* reasonable, correct
and on-topic, and someone else has to make an ass of himself
tearing down the post.

--kyler

[Dashi]

"Kyler Laird" > wrote in message
...
> "Dashi" > writes:
>
> >"Peter Gottlieb" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >> This thread has got to be the dumbest thing to spar over in the history
of
> >> this NG.
>
> >Entertaining though,
>
> >"The other poster"! :)
>
> Yup. That is what's disturbs me. A few dumb/mean people have
> made the aviation newsgroups inhospitable. Someone like the OP
> saunters in and posts something *perfectly* reasonable, correct
> and on-topic, and someone else has to make an ass of himself
> tearing down the post.
>
> --kyler

Don't you think that you might be over reacting just a little bit.
This is a newsgroup and people will have different opinions on acceptable
advertising.

It seems real dumb to me to set an "opening bid" at $63,000 and then state
that there is no reserve.

You apparently disagree, so be it!

Dashi

[Larry]

>It seems real dumb to me to set an "opening bid" at $63,000 and then state
>that there is no reserve.
You may think it's a "play on words", but it's all correct. $63k is the
lowest he will take and he is displaying that right up front- what's your
problem?

Lemme see here: Opening bid=$63,000, No reserve. Yep that's correct, just
like Ebay labels them. Of course you can start your own auction site and
then you can play little word games your self. If the "opening bid" is
higher than the "price police" think it should be then call it a "rip off
start" or other such label you happen to pull outa yer ass.

> -- snip -- and someone else has to make an ass of himself
> tearing down the post.
Agreed. There's always somebody that feels the need to express an opinion
which seems to be drug induced. It's hard to believe they actually think
that way.

The guys just trying to sell his aircraft- a beautiful one at that. Maybe
these snide remarks are from none other than jealousy. I guess it's rough to
admit to yourself that you'll never sit in the pilot seat of such a classic
bird, let alone *actually* own one!!

Oh well, Here come the flames. Bring them on!


(¯`·._.· £ãrrÿ ·._.·´¯)

"Dashi" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kyler Laird" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Dashi" > writes:
> >
> > >"Peter Gottlieb" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > >> This thread has got to be the dumbest thing to spar over in the
history
> of
> > >> this NG.
> >
> > >Entertaining though,
> >
> > >"The other poster"! :)
> >
> > Yup. That is what's disturbs me. A few dumb/mean people have
> > made the aviation newsgroups inhospitable. Someone like the OP
> > saunters in and posts something *perfectly* reasonable, correct
> > and on-topic, and someone else has to make an ass of himself
> > tearing down the post.
> >
> > --kyler
>
> Don't you think that you might be over reacting just a little bit.
> This is a newsgroup and people will have different opinions on acceptable
> advertising.
>
> It seems real dumb to me to set an "opening bid" at $63,000 and then state
> that there is no reserve.
>
> You apparently disagree, so be it!
>
> Dashi
>
>

[Dashi]

>
>
> (¯`·._.· £ãrrÿ ·._.·´¯)
>
> "Dashi" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Kyler Laird" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > "Dashi" > writes:
> > >
> > > >"Peter Gottlieb" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > >> This thread has got to be the dumbest thing to spar over in the
> history
> > of
> > > >> this NG.
> > >
> > > >Entertaining though,
> > >
> > > >"The other poster"! :)
> > >
> > > Yup. That is what's disturbs me. A few dumb/mean people have
> > > made the aviation newsgroups inhospitable. Someone like the OP
> > > saunters in and posts something *perfectly* reasonable, correct
> > > and on-topic, and someone else has to make an ass of himself
> > > tearing down the post.
> > >
> > > --kyler
> >
> > Don't you think that you might be over reacting just a little bit.
> > This is a newsgroup and people will have different opinions on
acceptable
> > advertising.
> >
> > It seems real dumb to me to set an "opening bid" at $63,000 and then
state
> > that there is no reserve.
> >
> > You apparently disagree, so be it!
> >
> > Dashi
> >
> >
>
>
"Larry" > wrote in message
...
> >It seems real dumb to me to set an "opening bid" at $63,000 and then
state
> >that there is no reserve.
> You may think it's a "play on words", but it's all correct. $63k is the
> lowest he will take and he is displaying that right up front- what's your
> problem?
>
> Lemme see here: Opening bid=$63,000, No reserve. Yep that's correct, just
> like Ebay labels them. Of course you can start your own auction site and
> then you can play little word games your self. If the "opening bid" is
> higher than the "price police" think it should be then call it a "rip off
> start" or other such label you happen to pull outa yer ass.
>
> > -- snip -- and someone else has to make an ass of himself
> > tearing down the post.
> Agreed. There's always somebody that feels the need to express an opinion
> which seems to be drug induced. It's hard to believe they actually think
> that way.
>
> The guys just trying to sell his aircraft- a beautiful one at that. Maybe
> these snide remarks are from none other than jealousy. I guess it's rough
to
> admit to yourself that you'll never sit in the pilot seat of such a
classic
> bird, let alone *actually* own one!!
>
> Oh well, Here come the flames. Bring them on!

You made a lot of assumptions, sure that you don't have a hidden agenda?

Come on now, how much is this guy paying you to say those things?

Dashi

[Peter Gottlieb]

If you keep publicly attacking me I will begin to take it personally. Just
because you do not like my opinion is no reason to make these accusations.
I never "tore apart" any post, and what I said was neither dumb or mean. If
you consider that "making an ass of himself" then that reflects rather
poorly on you, sir. If such light comments make you so disturbed you have
problems beyond the scope of this discussion.


"Kyler Laird" > wrote in message
...
> Yup. That is what's disturbs me. A few dumb/mean people have
> made the aviation newsgroups inhospitable. Someone like the OP
> saunters in and posts something *perfectly* reasonable, correct
> and on-topic, and someone else has to make an ass of himself
> tearing down the post.
>
> --kyler

[Peter Gottlieb]

"Larry" > wrote in message
...
> The guys just trying to sell his aircraft- a beautiful one at that. Maybe
> these snide remarks are from none other than jealousy. I guess it's rough
to
> admit to yourself that you'll never sit in the pilot seat of such a
classic
> bird, let alone *actually* own one!!


Amazing what some people read into things.

[Peter Gottlieb]

Dashi,

It's too easy to keep these guys going. We should stop...

Peter


"Dashi" > wrote in message
...
> Come on now, how much is this guy paying you to say those things?
>
> Dashi

[Peter Gottlieb]

*plonk*

"Kyler Laird" > wrote in message
...

[Larry]

> You made a lot of assumptions, sure that you don't have a hidden agenda?
Yes, I made a couple assumptions. Nope- no hidden anything.

I just don't understand why a couple folks here are raggin on this guy's
attempt to sell his aircraft. That is quite unfair!

If his "opening bid" is high, then I guess it won't sell. So what. But don't
try to relabel it as a "reserve" (that word has a quite different meaning)-
only Ebay has the authority to call it whatever they want.


(¯`·._.· £ãrrÿ ·._.·´¯)


"Dashi" > wrote in message
...
> >
> >
> > (¯`·._.· £ãrrÿ ·._.·´¯)
> >
> > "Dashi" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Kyler Laird" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > "Dashi" > writes:
> > > >
> > > > >"Peter Gottlieb" > wrote in message
> > > > . ..
> > > > >> This thread has got to be the dumbest thing to spar over in the
> > history
> > > of
> > > > >> this NG.
> > > >
> > > > >Entertaining though,
> > > >
> > > > >"The other poster"! :)
> > > >
> > > > Yup. That is what's disturbs me. A few dumb/mean people have
> > > > made the aviation newsgroups inhospitable. Someone like the OP
> > > > saunters in and posts something *perfectly* reasonable, correct
> > > > and on-topic, and someone else has to make an ass of himself
> > > > tearing down the post.
> > > >
> > > > --kyler
> > >
> > > Don't you think that you might be over reacting just a little bit.
> > > This is a newsgroup and people will have different opinions on
> acceptable
> > > advertising.
> > >
> > > It seems real dumb to me to set an "opening bid" at $63,000 and then
> state
> > > that there is no reserve.
> > >
> > > You apparently disagree, so be it!
> > >
> > > Dashi
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> "Larry" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >It seems real dumb to me to set an "opening bid" at $63,000 and then
> state
> > >that there is no reserve.
> > You may think it's a "play on words", but it's all correct. $63k is the
> > lowest he will take and he is displaying that right up front- what's
your
> > problem?
> >
> > Lemme see here: Opening bid=$63,000, No reserve. Yep that's correct,
just
> > like Ebay labels them. Of course you can start your own auction site and
> > then you can play little word games your self. If the "opening bid" is
> > higher than the "price police" think it should be then call it a "rip
off
> > start" or other such label you happen to pull outa yer ass.
> >
> > > -- snip -- and someone else has to make an ass of himself
> > > tearing down the post.
> > Agreed. There's always somebody that feels the need to express an
opinion
> > which seems to be drug induced. It's hard to believe they actually think
> > that way.
> >
> > The guys just trying to sell his aircraft- a beautiful one at that.
Maybe
> > these snide remarks are from none other than jealousy. I guess it's
rough
> to
> > admit to yourself that you'll never sit in the pilot seat of such a
> classic
> > bird, let alone *actually* own one!!
> >
> > Oh well, Here come the flames. Bring them on!
>
> You made a lot of assumptions, sure that you don't have a hidden agenda?
>
> Come on now, how much is this guy paying you to say those things?
>
> Dashi
>
>

[Dashi]

"Peter Gottlieb" > wrote in message
et...
> Dashi,
>
> It's too easy to keep these guys going. We should stop...
>
> Peter

Good idea Peter!

Dashi
>
>
> "Dashi" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Come on now, how much is this guy paying you to say those things?
> >
> > Dashi
>
>

[Dashi]

"Larry" > wrote in message
...
> > You made a lot of assumptions, sure that you don't have a hidden agenda?
> Yes, I made a couple assumptions. Nope- no hidden anything.
>
> I just don't understand why a couple folks here are raggin on this guy's
> attempt to sell his aircraft. That is quite unfair!
>
> If his "opening bid" is high, then I guess it won't sell. So what. But
don't
> try to relabel it as a "reserve" (that word has a quite different
meaning)-
> only Ebay has the authority to call it whatever they want.

OK thanks,

Dashi

[R. Hubbell]

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:25:56 -0800
"astra" > wrote:

> No Reserve, this will go to the highest bidder.


What a neat plane those Stearman are! So many planes and so little time. :-)

$63,000 seems like a steal for a Stearman, but what do I know.

Nice that there's no reserve too.

What's it cost to maintain a Stearman? Insurance and all that jazz.

R. Hubbell

>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2445670513&cat
> egory=26428&rd=1
>
>

[Kyler Laird]

"Dashi" > writes:

>Don't you think that you might be over reacting just a little bit.

Nope.

>This is a newsgroup and people will have different opinions on acceptable
>advertising.

Oooohhh...so this was about "acceptable advertising"?

>It seems real dumb to me to set an "opening bid" at $63,000 and then state
>that there is no reserve.

He probably said it because it was true.

>You apparently disagree, so be it!

These are well-defined words in the eBay community. It's not simply
my opinion.

Your derision of the poster for using the correct terminology to
describe his auction was completely inappropriate.

--kyler

[Dashi]

"Kyler Laird" > wrote in message
...
> "Dashi" > writes:
>
> >Don't you think that you might be over reacting just a little bit.
>
> Nope.
>
> >This is a newsgroup and people will have different opinions on acceptable
> >advertising.
>
> Oooohhh...so this was about "acceptable advertising"?
>
> >It seems real dumb to me to set an "opening bid" at $63,000 and then
state
> >that there is no reserve.
>
> He probably said it because it was true.
>
> >You apparently disagree, so be it!
>
> These are well-defined words in the eBay community. It's not simply
> my opinion.
>
> Your derision of the poster for using the correct terminology to
> describe his auction was completely inappropriate.

My last post on this subject. Kyle how did you get so F***ed Up or where you
born that way? <VBEG>

*PLONK

Dashi
>
> --kyler