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[gregfarr]

On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:39:57 -0500, wrote:

Please excuse another Dumbo question, but what is this? The prototype
that was made , leading up the F-22 production fighter?

Greg
http://gregsplace.50megs.com
http://www.picturetrail.com/fugitive1

[john smith]

In article >,
gregfarr > wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:39:57 -0500, wrote:
>
> Please excuse another Dumbo question, but what is this? The prototype
> that was made , leading up the F-22 production fighter?

Both are Lockheed designs
F22 is twin-engine.
F35 is single-engine/S/VTOL Joint Strike Fighter
Similar design for some parts commonality with the F22 for cost savings.
F22 is an F25 replacement.
F35 is an F16/A8 replacement

[john smith]

In article >,
gregfarr > wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:39:57 -0500, wrote:
>
> Please excuse another Dumbo question, but what is this? The prototype
> that was made , leading up the F-22 production fighter?

Both are Lockheed designs
F22 is twin-engine.
F35 is single-engine/S/VTOL Joint Strike Fighter
Similar design for some parts commonality with the F22 for cost savings.
F22 is an F25 replacement.
F35 is an F16/A8 replacement

[Papa Fox]

I believe it's the first production (non-prototype, non-development
airframe) for the F-35 Lightning Joint Strike Fighter. A completely
different plane from the F-22. It's meant to be smaller, a bit
cheaper, built in greater quantity, and more aimed at both
air-to-ground and air-to-air than the F-22's air-superiority focus.

On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 02:41:50 -0800, gregfarr
> wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:39:57 -0500, wrote:
>
>Please excuse another Dumbo question, but what is this? The prototype
>that was made , leading up the F-22 production fighter?
>
>Greg
>http://gregsplace.50megs.com
>http://www.picturetrail.com/fugitive1

[Papa Fox]

I believe it's the first production (non-prototype, non-development
airframe) for the F-35 Lightning Joint Strike Fighter. A completely
different plane from the F-22. It's meant to be smaller, a bit
cheaper, built in greater quantity, and more aimed at both
air-to-ground and air-to-air than the F-22's air-superiority focus.

On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 02:41:50 -0800, gregfarr
> wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:39:57 -0500, wrote:
>
>Please excuse another Dumbo question, but what is this? The prototype
>that was made , leading up the F-22 production fighter?
>
>Greg
>http://gregsplace.50megs.com
>http://www.picturetrail.com/fugitive1

[gregfarr]

On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:49:11 -0500, john smith > wrote:

>In article >,
> gregfarr > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:39:57 -0500, wrote:
>>
>> Please excuse another Dumbo question, but what is this? The prototype
>> that was made , leading up the F-22 production fighter?
>
>Both are Lockheed designs
>F22 is twin-engine.
>F35 is single-engine/S/VTOL Joint Strike Fighter
>Similar design for some parts commonality with the F22 for cost savings.
>F22 is an F25 replacement.
>F35 is an F16/A8 replacement


Oh, of course, diff missions, but still some darkness, as WTH is an
f-25.

Greg
http://gregsplace.50megs.com
http://www.picturetrail.com/fugitive1

[gregfarr]

On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:49:11 -0500, john smith > wrote:

>In article >,
> gregfarr > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:39:57 -0500, wrote:
>>
>> Please excuse another Dumbo question, but what is this? The prototype
>> that was made , leading up the F-22 production fighter?
>
>Both are Lockheed designs
>F22 is twin-engine.
>F35 is single-engine/S/VTOL Joint Strike Fighter
>Similar design for some parts commonality with the F22 for cost savings.
>F22 is an F25 replacement.
>F35 is an F16/A8 replacement


Oh, of course, diff missions, but still some darkness, as WTH is an
f-25.

Greg
http://gregsplace.50megs.com
http://www.picturetrail.com/fugitive1

[Goofey Grape]

"Papa Fox" > wrote in message
...
>I believe it's the first production (non-prototype, non-development
> airframe) for the F-35 Lightning Joint Strike Fighter. A completely
> different plane from the F-22. It's meant to be smaller, a bit
> cheaper, built in greater quantity, and more aimed at both
> air-to-ground and air-to-air than the F-22's air-superiority focus.
>
> On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 02:41:50 -0800, gregfarr
> > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:39:57 -0500, wrote:
>>
>>Please excuse another Dumbo question, but what is this? The prototype
>>that was made , leading up the F-22 production fighter?
>>
>>Greg
>>http://gregsplace.50megs.com
>>http://www.picturetrail.com/fugitive1



F-22 is to replace F-15 and F-16 and F-18
F-35 is to replace AV-8 and A-6 and f-18G (growler)
to bring in two types was a dream of macnamara in the 1960's
cost savings is enormous part supply leaner and cheaper...
this is the doctrine of the pentagon and all us military's

[Goofey Grape]

"Papa Fox" > wrote in message
...
>I believe it's the first production (non-prototype, non-development
> airframe) for the F-35 Lightning Joint Strike Fighter. A completely
> different plane from the F-22. It's meant to be smaller, a bit
> cheaper, built in greater quantity, and more aimed at both
> air-to-ground and air-to-air than the F-22's air-superiority focus.
>
> On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 02:41:50 -0800, gregfarr
> > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:39:57 -0500, wrote:
>>
>>Please excuse another Dumbo question, but what is this? The prototype
>>that was made , leading up the F-22 production fighter?
>>
>>Greg
>>http://gregsplace.50megs.com
>>http://www.picturetrail.com/fugitive1



F-22 is to replace F-15 and F-16 and F-18
F-35 is to replace AV-8 and A-6 and f-18G (growler)
to bring in two types was a dream of macnamara in the 1960's
cost savings is enormous part supply leaner and cheaper...
this is the doctrine of the pentagon and all us military's

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>
>F-22 is to replace F-15 and F-16 and F-18
>F-35 is to replace AV-8 and A-6 and f-18G (growler)
>to bring in two types was a dream of macnamara in the 1960's
>cost savings is enormous part supply leaner and cheaper...
>this is the doctrine of the pentagon and all us military's
>

I'll agree on all but the F-18G.

First off, it's just now coming out of testing, and they haven't even
started replacing the EA-6Bs...

Secondly, I don't think the -35 has enough external pylons to carry
the four jamming pods, let alone the tanks to get its range up with
all the extra drag.

Super Hornets will be around for a while.

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>
>F-22 is to replace F-15 and F-16 and F-18
>F-35 is to replace AV-8 and A-6 and f-18G (growler)
>to bring in two types was a dream of macnamara in the 1960's
>cost savings is enormous part supply leaner and cheaper...
>this is the doctrine of the pentagon and all us military's
>

I'll agree on all but the F-18G.

First off, it's just now coming out of testing, and they haven't even
started replacing the EA-6Bs...

Secondly, I don't think the -35 has enough external pylons to carry
the four jamming pods, let alone the tanks to get its range up with
all the extra drag.

Super Hornets will be around for a while.

[Blume, Alf[_1_]]

>>>F-22 is to replace F-15 and F-16 and F-18<<<

Somehow I don't see the F-22 as a "bomb-truck" . . .

[Blume, Alf[_1_]]

>>>F-22 is to replace F-15 and F-16 and F-18<<<

Somehow I don't see the F-22 as a "bomb-truck" . . .

[[email protected]]

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:16:56 +0100, "Blume, Alf"
<AlfBlume(a)hotmaildotcom> wrote:

>
>>>>F-22 is to replace F-15 and F-16 and F-18<<<
>
>Somehow I don't see the F-22 as a "bomb-truck" . . .
>

Ok, I'll disagree with that too... Actually, didn't read that line
all the way anyhow, as there's obviously no way the -22 can be carrier
qual'd.

While the -16s might go sooner, the -15s - especially the E models,
will be around for a long time to come.

Does the -22 even have a FLIR? Or a hardpoint to mount one? Can't
use JDAMs for everything, you know.

[[email protected]]

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:16:56 +0100, "Blume, Alf"
<AlfBlume(a)hotmaildotcom> wrote:

>
>>>>F-22 is to replace F-15 and F-16 and F-18<<<
>
>Somehow I don't see the F-22 as a "bomb-truck" . . .
>

Ok, I'll disagree with that too... Actually, didn't read that line
all the way anyhow, as there's obviously no way the -22 can be carrier
qual'd.

While the -16s might go sooner, the -15s - especially the E models,
will be around for a long time to come.

Does the -22 even have a FLIR? Or a hardpoint to mount one? Can't
use JDAMs for everything, you know.