Sopwith Camel

[Glenn Alderton]

[Mitchell Holman]

"Glenn Alderton" > wrote in
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That, dearhearts, is flying........

[Mitchell Holman]

"Glenn Alderton" > wrote in
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That, dearhearts, is flying........

[Alan Erskine]

"Glenn Alderton" > wrote in message
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And I thought the traffic on the freeway was bad!


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Alan Erskine

[Alan Erskine]

"Glenn Alderton" > wrote in message
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And I thought the traffic on the freeway was bad!


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Alan Erskine

[Mitchell Holman]

"Glenn Alderton" > wrote in
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Most replicas use radial engines, but this one
has an honest-to-god rotary. Does someone actually
still make them?

[Mitchell Holman]

"Glenn Alderton" > wrote in
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Most replicas use radial engines, but this one
has an honest-to-god rotary. Does someone actually
still make them?

[Papa Fox]

With some of the nasty tricks a Camel rotary can pull on a person,
authenticy can have its price. I'm not sure I'd want to do that even
if it's no longer the real thing. P.

On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 08:47:31 -0600, Mitchell Holman
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>"Glenn Alderton" > wrote in
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> Most replicas use radial engines, but this one
>has an honest-to-god rotary. Does someone actually
>still make them?
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[Papa Fox]

With some of the nasty tricks a Camel rotary can pull on a person,
authenticy can have its price. I'm not sure I'd want to do that even
if it's no longer the real thing. P.

On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 08:47:31 -0600, Mitchell Holman
> wrote:

>"Glenn Alderton" > wrote in
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> Most replicas use radial engines, but this one
>has an honest-to-god rotary. Does someone actually
>still make them?
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[Luke]

"Papa Fox" > wrote in message
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> With some of the nasty tricks a Camel rotary can pull on a person,
> authenticy can have its price. I'm not sure I'd want to do that even
> if it's no longer the real thing. P.


Authenticity does have it's price. I'm building a reproduction Curtis
JN-4D and people look at me like I got things growing out of the side of my
head when I tell them it will have an original OX-5 engine. They don't
realize that I am an engineer and I will be modifying the engine to make it
more reliable.


Luke

[Luke]

"Papa Fox" > wrote in message
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> With some of the nasty tricks a Camel rotary can pull on a person,
> authenticy can have its price. I'm not sure I'd want to do that even
> if it's no longer the real thing. P.


Authenticity does have it's price. I'm building a reproduction Curtis
JN-4D and people look at me like I got things growing out of the side of my
head when I tell them it will have an original OX-5 engine. They don't
realize that I am an engineer and I will be modifying the engine to make it
more reliable.


Luke

[Papa Fox]

Even at its worst, the OX-5 wouldn't have the gyroscopic tricks in it
the Camel rotary exhibited - even more so than other rotaries with the
possible exception of the DR-I (IMHO). P.

On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:13:29 -0700, "Luke" > wrote:

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>"Papa Fox" > wrote in message
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>> With some of the nasty tricks a Camel rotary can pull on a person,
>> authenticy can have its price. I'm not sure I'd want to do that even
>> if it's no longer the real thing. P.
>
>
> Authenticity does have it's price. I'm building a reproduction Curtis
>JN-4D and people look at me like I got things growing out of the side of my
>head when I tell them it will have an original OX-5 engine. They don't
>realize that I am an engineer and I will be modifying the engine to make it
>more reliable.
>
>
> Luke
>

[Papa Fox]

Even at its worst, the OX-5 wouldn't have the gyroscopic tricks in it
the Camel rotary exhibited - even more so than other rotaries with the
possible exception of the DR-I (IMHO). P.

On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:13:29 -0700, "Luke" > wrote:

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>"Papa Fox" > wrote in message
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>> With some of the nasty tricks a Camel rotary can pull on a person,
>> authenticy can have its price. I'm not sure I'd want to do that even
>> if it's no longer the real thing. P.
>
>
> Authenticity does have it's price. I'm building a reproduction Curtis
>JN-4D and people look at me like I got things growing out of the side of my
>head when I tell them it will have an original OX-5 engine. They don't
>realize that I am an engineer and I will be modifying the engine to make it
>more reliable.
>
>
> Luke
>

[Avsec]

"Glenn Alderton" > wrote in message
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A friend looked up the history of this Camel and past on these deatils:

As promised, an outline history of Camel B3889.

It was delivered to the RFC on 23 July 1917 and was with No 70 Sqn in
France, where it was coded 'B-1' by 12 August. Capt C F Collett claimed the
follwing victrories:


A black Albatros D.V North of Thourout at 2005 on 13 August;

An Albatros D.V at Kreulseeck at 1940 on 18 August;

An Albatros D.V out of control over Gheluvelt at 0850 on 22 August;

A hostile aircraft out of control over Gheluwe at 1925 on 25 August (shared
with Lt J G Grant-Smith).


It crashed on a practice flight on 31 August after combat damage - Capt
Collett was unhurt.


After repair, it was returned to No 70 Sqn on 16 September.


2Lt C N L Lomax was credited with an Albatros out of control over
Westroosbeke on 24 September (shared with Lt W H R Gould).


It ran into a ridge on landing on 13 October (Capt F H Lawrence unhurt) and
was damaged. After repair it was allocated to No 3 Sqn on 8 November, but
was assessed as not worth repairing and struck off on 11 December.

Avsec

[Avsec]

"Glenn Alderton" > wrote in message
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A friend looked up the history of this Camel and past on these deatils:

As promised, an outline history of Camel B3889.

It was delivered to the RFC on 23 July 1917 and was with No 70 Sqn in
France, where it was coded 'B-1' by 12 August. Capt C F Collett claimed the
follwing victrories:


A black Albatros D.V North of Thourout at 2005 on 13 August;

An Albatros D.V at Kreulseeck at 1940 on 18 August;

An Albatros D.V out of control over Gheluvelt at 0850 on 22 August;

A hostile aircraft out of control over Gheluwe at 1925 on 25 August (shared
with Lt J G Grant-Smith).


It crashed on a practice flight on 31 August after combat damage - Capt
Collett was unhurt.


After repair, it was returned to No 70 Sqn on 16 September.


2Lt C N L Lomax was credited with an Albatros out of control over
Westroosbeke on 24 September (shared with Lt W H R Gould).


It ran into a ridge on landing on 13 October (Capt F H Lawrence unhurt) and
was damaged. After repair it was allocated to No 3 Sqn on 8 November, but
was assessed as not worth repairing and struck off on 11 December.

Avsec

[Luke]

"Papa Fox" > wrote in message
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> Even at its worst, the OX-5 wouldn't have the gyroscopic tricks in it
> the Camel rotary exhibited - even more so than other rotaries with the
> possible exception of the DR-I (IMHO). P.


Very true. Dealing with modifications to a cranky ingnition system and
an unreliable valve train are inconseqential compared to the basic dynamic
problems associated with rotary engines. When Jenny is done, it should be a
realtive pussycat to fly.


Luke

[Luke]

"Papa Fox" > wrote in message
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> Even at its worst, the OX-5 wouldn't have the gyroscopic tricks in it
> the Camel rotary exhibited - even more so than other rotaries with the
> possible exception of the DR-I (IMHO). P.


Very true. Dealing with modifications to a cranky ingnition system and
an unreliable valve train are inconseqential compared to the basic dynamic
problems associated with rotary engines. When Jenny is done, it should be a
realtive pussycat to fly.


Luke