Lightnings Today - f-5b and p-38j-5.jpg (1/1)

[Mitchell Holman]

[Bob Harrington]

Mitchell Holman > wrote in news:Xns98B7D4A7D83EFta2eene2
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Pretty sure this is a WW2 period color photo... The F-5 shows the 'Haze'
paint scheme used by some PR Lightnings.

Bob ^,,^

[Bob Harrington]

Mitchell Holman > wrote in news:Xns98B7D4A7D83EFta2eene2
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> begin 644 f-5b and p-38j-5.jpg

Pretty sure this is a WW2 period color photo... The F-5 shows the 'Haze'
paint scheme used by some PR Lightnings.

Bob ^,,^

[Mitchell Holman]

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>> begin 644 f-5b and p-38j-5.jpg
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> Pretty sure this is a WW2 period color photo... The F-5 shows the
> 'Haze' paint scheme used by some PR Lightnings.
>
> Bob ^,,^
>


I have seen pictures of WWII.

The world was black and white then. The world
did not gain color until the mid 1950's.

[Mitchell Holman]

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> Mitchell Holman > wrote in
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>> begin 644 f-5b and p-38j-5.jpg
>
> Pretty sure this is a WW2 period color photo... The F-5 shows the
> 'Haze' paint scheme used by some PR Lightnings.
>
> Bob ^,,^
>


I have seen pictures of WWII.

The world was black and white then. The world
did not gain color until the mid 1950's.

[Ken Gerlach]

Sorry - you must be thinking of color television. Color film was in wide
use in the late 1930's in both cinamatic and still photograpy. I know . . .
I was there! gkg

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>>> begin 644 f-5b and p-38j-5.jpg
>>
>> Pretty sure this is a WW2 period color photo... The F-5 shows the
>> 'Haze' paint scheme used by some PR Lightnings.
>>
>> Bob ^,,^
>>
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>
> I have seen pictures of WWII.
>
> The world was black and white then. The world
> did not gain color until the mid 1950's.
>
>
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>
>
>

[Ken Gerlach]

Sorry - you must be thinking of color television. Color film was in wide
use in the late 1930's in both cinamatic and still photograpy. I know . . .
I was there! gkg

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>> Mitchell Holman > wrote in
>> news:Xns98B7D4A7D83EFta2eene2 @216.196.97.131:
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>>>
>>> begin 644 f-5b and p-38j-5.jpg
>>
>> Pretty sure this is a WW2 period color photo... The F-5 shows the
>> 'Haze' paint scheme used by some PR Lightnings.
>>
>> Bob ^,,^
>>
>
>
> I have seen pictures of WWII.
>
> The world was black and white then. The world
> did not gain color until the mid 1950's.
>
>
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>
>
>

[Sunny]

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>>> begin 644 f-5b and p-38j-5.jpg
>>
>> Pretty sure this is a WW2 period color photo... The F-5 shows the
>> 'Haze' paint scheme used by some PR Lightnings.
>>
>> Bob ^,,^
>>
>
>
> I have seen pictures of WWII.
>
> The world was black and white then. The world
> did not gain color until the mid 1950's.

There is colour footage available from WW2.

[Sunny]

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>>> begin 644 f-5b and p-38j-5.jpg
>>
>> Pretty sure this is a WW2 period color photo... The F-5 shows the
>> 'Haze' paint scheme used by some PR Lightnings.
>>
>> Bob ^,,^
>>
>
>
> I have seen pictures of WWII.
>
> The world was black and white then. The world
> did not gain color until the mid 1950's.

There is colour footage available from WW2.

[Don Pyeatt]

Like this?

Victory Field, Lancaster, CA 1945

Robert Dean Link collection.

Don



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[Don Pyeatt]

Like this?

Victory Field, Lancaster, CA 1945

Robert Dean Link collection.

Don



"Ken Gerlach" > wrote in message
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> Sorry - you must be thinking of color television. Color film was in wide
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[CWO4 Dave Mann]

Mitchell Holman wrote:
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>> Mitchell Holman > wrote in
>> news:Xns98B7D4A7D83EFta2eene2 @216.196.97.131:
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>>> begin 644 f-5b and p-38j-5.jpg
>> Pretty sure this is a WW2 period color photo... The F-5 shows the
>> 'Haze' paint scheme used by some PR Lightnings.
>>
>> Bob ^,,^
>>
>
>
> I have seen pictures of WWII.
>
> The world was black and white then. The world did not gain color
> until the mid 1950's.
>
>
>
>
>
>

The first modern ('integrated tri-pack') color film, Kodachrome, was
introduced in 1935 based on three colored emulsions. Most modern color
films, except Kodachrome, are based on technology developed for
Agfacolor (as 'Agfacolor Neue') in 1936.

Go here for a fascinating and informative history:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_photography

Would you believe color photos from 1850 ?

The National Archives is "almost finished" with a project begun in 1990
to scan ALL color transparencies taken by US military photographers.
That includes glass plates from World War One, 8x10" sheets from WW2 and
later, and the zillions of color slides in 35mm, 2-1/4x2-1/4 and 70mm
sizes from later days including Vietnam.

I've always wondered what happened to the hundreds of cassettes of 70mm
Kodachrome which I exposed using a Graflex XL over and around the DMZ
and such garden spots as Dong Ha. Someone wanted "briefing slides for
the Pentagon" and the colonel came to taff Sergeant Mann -- "Hey, let's
get Mann to do it, he's crazy, he'll do anything".

I'll tell you about the Rolleiflex and the Leica bombs -- the chopper
banked like really sharply, I didn't have the gunner's harness attached,
the choice was let the cameras go or let me go.

Cameras went, 500 feet into the DMZ

Cheers,

Dave

[CWO4 Dave Mann]

Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Bob Harrington > wrote in
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>> Mitchell Holman > wrote in
>> news:Xns98B7D4A7D83EFta2eene2 @216.196.97.131:
>>
>>> begin 644 f-5b and p-38j-5.jpg
>> Pretty sure this is a WW2 period color photo... The F-5 shows the
>> 'Haze' paint scheme used by some PR Lightnings.
>>
>> Bob ^,,^
>>
>
>
> I have seen pictures of WWII.
>
> The world was black and white then. The world did not gain color
> until the mid 1950's.
>
>
>
>
>
>

The first modern ('integrated tri-pack') color film, Kodachrome, was
introduced in 1935 based on three colored emulsions. Most modern color
films, except Kodachrome, are based on technology developed for
Agfacolor (as 'Agfacolor Neue') in 1936.

Go here for a fascinating and informative history:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_photography

Would you believe color photos from 1850 ?

The National Archives is "almost finished" with a project begun in 1990
to scan ALL color transparencies taken by US military photographers.
That includes glass plates from World War One, 8x10" sheets from WW2 and
later, and the zillions of color slides in 35mm, 2-1/4x2-1/4 and 70mm
sizes from later days including Vietnam.

I've always wondered what happened to the hundreds of cassettes of 70mm
Kodachrome which I exposed using a Graflex XL over and around the DMZ
and such garden spots as Dong Ha. Someone wanted "briefing slides for
the Pentagon" and the colonel came to taff Sergeant Mann -- "Hey, let's
get Mann to do it, he's crazy, he'll do anything".

I'll tell you about the Rolleiflex and the Leica bombs -- the chopper
banked like really sharply, I didn't have the gunner's harness attached,
the choice was let the cameras go or let me go.

Cameras went, 500 feet into the DMZ

Cheers,

Dave

[Grumpy AuContraire[_2_]]

CWO4 Dave Mann wrote:



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>
> I'll tell you about the Rolleiflex and the Leica bombs -- the chopper
> banked like really sharply, I didn't have the gunner's harness attached,
> the choice was let the cameras go or let me go.
>
> Cameras went, 500 feet into the DMZ
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>



You had a lousy pilot...

When I worked on Kwajalein, (ABM R&D), I rode in a Huey tracking chopper
nearly half the missions from Oct 1971 through 1975. Usually, I was in
the "missile" port side of the chopper but on one occasion, I elected to
be on the starboard side so that I could get a "creative" shot of the
three other tracking technicians during the launch of a Spartan interceptor.

We did several practice runs prior to the actual shot. During each, the
chopper would bank deeply in order to keep the target in sight. During
the process, the air passing from one side to the other approached
hurricane force not to mention the "g's" pulled in recovery. Only one
of our pilots flew these types of missions as none of the others would
go through with such radical maneuvers.

When the "shot" finally came, and we repeated the flight sequence and I
got my footage etc and after we recovered, I looked down and noticed
that my seat belt was never fastened...

Had I had your pilot, the Arri S and I would have gone into the drink
from about 3,500 ft.

Now, I could tell you about another of our pilots that EVERYONE dread to
fly with.....

<G>

JT

[Grumpy AuContraire[_2_]]

CWO4 Dave Mann wrote:



snip



>
> I'll tell you about the Rolleiflex and the Leica bombs -- the chopper
> banked like really sharply, I didn't have the gunner's harness attached,
> the choice was let the cameras go or let me go.
>
> Cameras went, 500 feet into the DMZ
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>



You had a lousy pilot...

When I worked on Kwajalein, (ABM R&D), I rode in a Huey tracking chopper
nearly half the missions from Oct 1971 through 1975. Usually, I was in
the "missile" port side of the chopper but on one occasion, I elected to
be on the starboard side so that I could get a "creative" shot of the
three other tracking technicians during the launch of a Spartan interceptor.

We did several practice runs prior to the actual shot. During each, the
chopper would bank deeply in order to keep the target in sight. During
the process, the air passing from one side to the other approached
hurricane force not to mention the "g's" pulled in recovery. Only one
of our pilots flew these types of missions as none of the others would
go through with such radical maneuvers.

When the "shot" finally came, and we repeated the flight sequence and I
got my footage etc and after we recovered, I looked down and noticed
that my seat belt was never fastened...

Had I had your pilot, the Arri S and I would have gone into the drink
from about 3,500 ft.

Now, I could tell you about another of our pilots that EVERYONE dread to
fly with.....

<G>

JT

[Steve Vernon]

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>>>
>>> begin 644 f-5b and p-38j-5.jpg
>>
>> Pretty sure this is a WW2 period color photo... The F-5 shows the
>> 'Haze' paint scheme used by some PR Lightnings.
>>
>> Bob ^,,^
>>
>
>
> I have seen pictures of WWII.
>
> The world was black and white then. The world
> did not gain color until the mid 1950's.
>

Mitchel, the classics are dead, aren't they? I always liked the snowmen he
made!

Steve Vernon

[Steve Vernon]

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>>> begin 644 f-5b and p-38j-5.jpg
>>
>> Pretty sure this is a WW2 period color photo... The F-5 shows the
>> 'Haze' paint scheme used by some PR Lightnings.
>>
>> Bob ^,,^
>>
>
>
> I have seen pictures of WWII.
>
> The world was black and white then. The world
> did not gain color until the mid 1950's.
>

Mitchel, the classics are dead, aren't they? I always liked the snowmen he
made!

Steve Vernon

[Mitchell Holman]

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[CWO4 Dave Mann]

Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>
> CWO4 Dave Mann wrote:
>
>
>
> snip
>
>
>
>>
>> I'll tell you about the Rolleiflex and the Leica bombs -- the chopper
>> banked like really sharply, I didn't have the gunner's harness
>> attached, the choice was let the cameras go or let me go.
>>
>> Cameras went, 500 feet into the DMZ
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
>
>
> You had a lousy pilot...
>
> When I worked on Kwajalein, (ABM R&D), I rode in a Huey tracking chopper
> nearly half the missions from Oct 1971 through 1975. Usually, I was in
> the "missile" port side of the chopper but on one occasion, I elected to
> be on the starboard side so that I could get a "creative" shot of the
> three other tracking technicians during the launch of a Spartan
> interceptor.
>
> We did several practice runs prior to the actual shot. During each, the
> chopper would bank deeply in order to keep the target in sight. During
> the process, the air passing from one side to the other approached
> hurricane force not to mention the "g's" pulled in recovery. Only one
> of our pilots flew these types of missions as none of the others would
> go through with such radical maneuvers.
>
> When the "shot" finally came, and we repeated the flight sequence and I
> got my footage etc and after we recovered, I looked down and noticed
> that my seat belt was never fastened...
>
> Had I had your pilot, the Arri S and I would have gone into the drink
> from about 3,500 ft.
>
> Now, I could tell you about another of our pilots that EVERYONE dread to
> fly with.....
>
> <G>
>
> JT
>
>


Yikes JT! Just when I thought it was safe to come in from the
surveillance van parked behing Temp C Building! And speaking of an
Arriflex, did I mention that the 116th managed to acquire an Arriflex
16S with three lenses (including a huge telephoto) and made loads of
movies. Unfortunately, when I came back to the 116th in early 1972,
they had had to get rid of the camera and ALL of those movies -- the old
spying on civilians rule. I'll bet John Kerry was in a lot of those
videos but we'll never know.

Cheers,

Dave

[CWO4 Dave Mann]

Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>
> CWO4 Dave Mann wrote:
>
>
>
> snip
>
>
>
>>
>> I'll tell you about the Rolleiflex and the Leica bombs -- the chopper
>> banked like really sharply, I didn't have the gunner's harness
>> attached, the choice was let the cameras go or let me go.
>>
>> Cameras went, 500 feet into the DMZ
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
>
>
> You had a lousy pilot...
>
> When I worked on Kwajalein, (ABM R&D), I rode in a Huey tracking chopper
> nearly half the missions from Oct 1971 through 1975. Usually, I was in
> the "missile" port side of the chopper but on one occasion, I elected to
> be on the starboard side so that I could get a "creative" shot of the
> three other tracking technicians during the launch of a Spartan
> interceptor.
>
> We did several practice runs prior to the actual shot. During each, the
> chopper would bank deeply in order to keep the target in sight. During
> the process, the air passing from one side to the other approached
> hurricane force not to mention the "g's" pulled in recovery. Only one
> of our pilots flew these types of missions as none of the others would
> go through with such radical maneuvers.
>
> When the "shot" finally came, and we repeated the flight sequence and I
> got my footage etc and after we recovered, I looked down and noticed
> that my seat belt was never fastened...
>
> Had I had your pilot, the Arri S and I would have gone into the drink
> from about 3,500 ft.
>
> Now, I could tell you about another of our pilots that EVERYONE dread to
> fly with.....
>
> <G>
>
> JT
>
>


Yikes JT! Just when I thought it was safe to come in from the
surveillance van parked behing Temp C Building! And speaking of an
Arriflex, did I mention that the 116th managed to acquire an Arriflex
16S with three lenses (including a huge telephoto) and made loads of
movies. Unfortunately, when I came back to the 116th in early 1972,
they had had to get rid of the camera and ALL of those movies -- the old
spying on civilians rule. I'll bet John Kerry was in a lot of those
videos but we'll never know.

Cheers,

Dave

[Tankfixer]

In article >,
mumbled
>
> I'll tell you about the Rolleiflex and the Leica bombs -- the chopper
> banked like really sharply, I didn't have the gunner's harness attached,
> the choice was let the cameras go or let me go.
>
> Cameras went, 500 feet into the DMZ

No statute of limitations of statment of charges.... ;')

[Tankfixer]

In article >,
mumbled
>
> I'll tell you about the Rolleiflex and the Leica bombs -- the chopper
> banked like really sharply, I didn't have the gunner's harness attached,
> the choice was let the cameras go or let me go.
>
> Cameras went, 500 feet into the DMZ

No statute of limitations of statment of charges.... ;')