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[Glenn Alderton[_2_]]

[Dave Kearton]

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Interesting, where's the radome ?




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[Dave Kearton]

"Glenn Alderton" > wrote in message
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Interesting, where's the radome ?




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[CWO4 Dave Mann]

This looks like the photo recon version with the zillion candlepower
strobes in the wing tips. Rare bird. The Mohawk had a similar system
only the strobe light was under the fuselage.

Cheers,

Dave

[CWO4 Dave Mann]

This looks like the photo recon version with the zillion candlepower
strobes in the wing tips. Rare bird. The Mohawk had a similar system
only the strobe light was under the fuselage.

Cheers,

Dave

[Bob Moore]

CWO4 Dave Mann wrote
> This looks like the photo recon version with the zillion candlepower
> strobes in the wing tips. Rare bird. The Mohawk had a similar system
> only the strobe light was under the fuselage.

Nope! Just the standard 30 million candle power, copilot controlled,
searchlight mounted on the starboard side only.

It's a standard SP-2H of the RAAF. There is a photo of its sistership
number 81 on page 240 of Wayne Mutza's "Lockheed P2V NEPTUNE, An
Illustrated History"

Bob Moore
VP-21, SP-2H, 1959-1962
PanAm (retired)

[Bob Moore]

CWO4 Dave Mann wrote
> This looks like the photo recon version with the zillion candlepower
> strobes in the wing tips. Rare bird. The Mohawk had a similar system
> only the strobe light was under the fuselage.

Nope! Just the standard 30 million candle power, copilot controlled,
searchlight mounted on the starboard side only.

It's a standard SP-2H of the RAAF. There is a photo of its sistership
number 81 on page 240 of Wayne Mutza's "Lockheed P2V NEPTUNE, An
Illustrated History"

Bob Moore
VP-21, SP-2H, 1959-1962
PanAm (retired)

[CWO4 Dave Mann]

Bob Moore wrote:
> CWO4 Dave Mann wrote
>> This looks like the photo recon version with the zillion candlepower
>> strobes in the wing tips. Rare bird. The Mohawk had a similar system
>> only the strobe light was under the fuselage.
>
> Nope! Just the standard 30 million candle power, copilot controlled,
> searchlight mounted on the starboard side only.
>
> It's a standard SP-2H of the RAAF. There is a photo of its sistership
> number 81 on page 240 of Wayne Mutza's "Lockheed P2V NEPTUNE, An
> Illustrated History"
>
> Bob Moore
> VP-21, SP-2H, 1959-1962
> PanAm (retired)


I am wondering if the "flash bulb" P2V was something special cooked up
for Vietnam. We had two of them flying out of Da Nang with US Army
crews on board. That was from mid-1965 to -mid 1967.

The US Air Force really agitated against the Army flying any aircraft
over a certain gross weight, capacity, speed, etc. Air Force folks got
real nervous when we fielded the OV1D Mohawk with rockets and then gun
pods under the wings on the hard points. Made us take off the weapons
and have only drop flares on the hard-points. That was the same time as
the Caribou controversy and Knock-Down Bitch-Slapping on the Pentagon
E-Ring about the Army having "cargo capacity". Our lovely Boo's went
away with USAF markings. The Army's SIGINT assets managed to get away
with some other platforms, as NSA used their clout. The SIGINT birds
flew with Army markings except for the odd C47 with "civilian" registry.

The Mohawk flash-bulb was cool since when it flew a mission on a
moonless night, the flash made an almost perfectly square illuminated
footprint on the ground. It was like the Hand of G-d to the VC I
suppose. Only trouble was that the imagery was not real-time and it
usually took a 24-hour period to get the B52's overhead and by that time
the dinks had moved on to someplace else. Of course they also had the
radio relays from their interception sites near Guam which relayed
real-time B52 flight information back to the North Vietnam High Command.

Cheers,

Dave

[CWO4 Dave Mann]

Bob Moore wrote:
> CWO4 Dave Mann wrote
>> This looks like the photo recon version with the zillion candlepower
>> strobes in the wing tips. Rare bird. The Mohawk had a similar system
>> only the strobe light was under the fuselage.
>
> Nope! Just the standard 30 million candle power, copilot controlled,
> searchlight mounted on the starboard side only.
>
> It's a standard SP-2H of the RAAF. There is a photo of its sistership
> number 81 on page 240 of Wayne Mutza's "Lockheed P2V NEPTUNE, An
> Illustrated History"
>
> Bob Moore
> VP-21, SP-2H, 1959-1962
> PanAm (retired)


I am wondering if the "flash bulb" P2V was something special cooked up
for Vietnam. We had two of them flying out of Da Nang with US Army
crews on board. That was from mid-1965 to -mid 1967.

The US Air Force really agitated against the Army flying any aircraft
over a certain gross weight, capacity, speed, etc. Air Force folks got
real nervous when we fielded the OV1D Mohawk with rockets and then gun
pods under the wings on the hard points. Made us take off the weapons
and have only drop flares on the hard-points. That was the same time as
the Caribou controversy and Knock-Down Bitch-Slapping on the Pentagon
E-Ring about the Army having "cargo capacity". Our lovely Boo's went
away with USAF markings. The Army's SIGINT assets managed to get away
with some other platforms, as NSA used their clout. The SIGINT birds
flew with Army markings except for the odd C47 with "civilian" registry.

The Mohawk flash-bulb was cool since when it flew a mission on a
moonless night, the flash made an almost perfectly square illuminated
footprint on the ground. It was like the Hand of G-d to the VC I
suppose. Only trouble was that the imagery was not real-time and it
usually took a 24-hour period to get the B52's overhead and by that time
the dinks had moved on to someplace else. Of course they also had the
radio relays from their interception sites near Guam which relayed
real-time B52 flight information back to the North Vietnam High Command.

Cheers,

Dave

[Bob Moore]

CWO4 Dave Mann wrote
> I am wondering if the "flash bulb" P2V was something special cooked up
> for Vietnam. We had two of them flying out of Da Nang with US Army
> crews on board. That was from mid-1965 to -mid 1967.

The US Army operated AP-2E (P2V-5F) ECM aircraft from Cam Rahn Bay (67-72),
the Navy operated OP-2E with machine gun pods from Nakhon Phanon, Thailand,
and the Navy operated AP-2H armed ECM aircraft along the Ho Chi Minh Trail
from 1967 to 1969.

Bob Moore

[Bob Moore]

CWO4 Dave Mann wrote
> I am wondering if the "flash bulb" P2V was something special cooked up
> for Vietnam. We had two of them flying out of Da Nang with US Army
> crews on board. That was from mid-1965 to -mid 1967.

The US Army operated AP-2E (P2V-5F) ECM aircraft from Cam Rahn Bay (67-72),
the Navy operated OP-2E with machine gun pods from Nakhon Phanon, Thailand,
and the Navy operated AP-2H armed ECM aircraft along the Ho Chi Minh Trail
from 1967 to 1969.

Bob Moore

[Paul Elliot]

CWO4 Dave Mann wrote:
> Bob Moore wrote:
>> CWO4 Dave Mann wrote
>>> This looks like the photo recon version with the zillion candlepower
>>> strobes in the wing tips. Rare bird. The Mohawk had a similar
>>> system only the strobe light was under the fuselage.
>>
>> Nope! Just the standard 30 million candle power, copilot controlled,
>> searchlight mounted on the starboard side only.
>>
>> It's a standard SP-2H of the RAAF. There is a photo of its sistership
>> number 81 on page 240 of Wayne Mutza's "Lockheed P2V NEPTUNE, An
>> Illustrated History"
>>
>> Bob Moore
>> VP-21, SP-2H, 1959-1962
>> PanAm (retired)
>
>
> I am wondering if the "flash bulb" P2V was something special cooked up
> for Vietnam. We had two of them flying out of Da Nang with US Army
> crews on board. That was from mid-1965 to -mid 1967.
>
> The US Air Force really agitated against the Army flying any aircraft
> over a certain gross weight, capacity, speed, etc. Air Force folks got
> real nervous when we fielded the OV1D Mohawk with rockets and then gun
> pods under the wings on the hard points. Made us take off the weapons
> and have only drop flares on the hard-points. That was the same time as
> the Caribou controversy and Knock-Down Bitch-Slapping on the Pentagon
> E-Ring about the Army having "cargo capacity". Our lovely Boo's went
> away with USAF markings. The Army's SIGINT assets managed to get away
> with some other platforms, as NSA used their clout. The SIGINT birds
> flew with Army markings except for the odd C47 with "civilian" registry.
>
> The Mohawk flash-bulb was cool since when it flew a mission on a
> moonless night, the flash made an almost perfectly square illuminated
> footprint on the ground. It was like the Hand of G-d to the VC I
> suppose. Only trouble was that the imagery was not real-time and it
> usually took a 24-hour period to get the B52's overhead and by that time
> the dinks had moved on to someplace else. Of course they also had the
> radio relays from their interception sites near Guam which relayed
> real-time B52 flight information back to the North Vietnam High Command.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>

I love those old Mohawks. They were phasing the last of them out in the
'70s IIRC. The Bronco may have been better, but there is something
about that bug-eyed look that I like.

--
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics
German, the lovers French and it is all organized by the Swiss.

Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics
French, the lovers Swiss and it is all organized by Italians.

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/paul1cart/albums/

[Paul Elliot]

CWO4 Dave Mann wrote:
> Bob Moore wrote:
>> CWO4 Dave Mann wrote
>>> This looks like the photo recon version with the zillion candlepower
>>> strobes in the wing tips. Rare bird. The Mohawk had a similar
>>> system only the strobe light was under the fuselage.
>>
>> Nope! Just the standard 30 million candle power, copilot controlled,
>> searchlight mounted on the starboard side only.
>>
>> It's a standard SP-2H of the RAAF. There is a photo of its sistership
>> number 81 on page 240 of Wayne Mutza's "Lockheed P2V NEPTUNE, An
>> Illustrated History"
>>
>> Bob Moore
>> VP-21, SP-2H, 1959-1962
>> PanAm (retired)
>
>
> I am wondering if the "flash bulb" P2V was something special cooked up
> for Vietnam. We had two of them flying out of Da Nang with US Army
> crews on board. That was from mid-1965 to -mid 1967.
>
> The US Air Force really agitated against the Army flying any aircraft
> over a certain gross weight, capacity, speed, etc. Air Force folks got
> real nervous when we fielded the OV1D Mohawk with rockets and then gun
> pods under the wings on the hard points. Made us take off the weapons
> and have only drop flares on the hard-points. That was the same time as
> the Caribou controversy and Knock-Down Bitch-Slapping on the Pentagon
> E-Ring about the Army having "cargo capacity". Our lovely Boo's went
> away with USAF markings. The Army's SIGINT assets managed to get away
> with some other platforms, as NSA used their clout. The SIGINT birds
> flew with Army markings except for the odd C47 with "civilian" registry.
>
> The Mohawk flash-bulb was cool since when it flew a mission on a
> moonless night, the flash made an almost perfectly square illuminated
> footprint on the ground. It was like the Hand of G-d to the VC I
> suppose. Only trouble was that the imagery was not real-time and it
> usually took a 24-hour period to get the B52's overhead and by that time
> the dinks had moved on to someplace else. Of course they also had the
> radio relays from their interception sites near Guam which relayed
> real-time B52 flight information back to the North Vietnam High Command.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>

I love those old Mohawks. They were phasing the last of them out in the
'70s IIRC. The Bronco may have been better, but there is something
about that bug-eyed look that I like.

--
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics
German, the lovers French and it is all organized by the Swiss.

Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics
French, the lovers Swiss and it is all organized by Italians.

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/paul1cart/albums/

[Boomerang]

It should be there, someplace, maybe in the grass. All the other photos I
have of this aircraft show the APS-20 radom where iot should be. Maybe
somebody cut it off...

[Boomerang]

It should be there, someplace, maybe in the grass. All the other photos I
have of this aircraft show the APS-20 radom where iot should be. Maybe
somebody cut it off...

[Wayne Paul]

"Boomerang" > wrote in message
...
> It should be there, someplace, maybe in the grass. All the other photos I
> have of this aircraft show the APS-20 radom where iot should be. Maybe
> somebody cut it off...

None of the P-2s I have seen recently have had radoms. They were all flying
as water bombers fighting forest fires and looked something like this:
http://website.lineone.net/~roling47/Bombers/WBP2a.JPG

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/

[Wayne Paul]

"Boomerang" > wrote in message
...
> It should be there, someplace, maybe in the grass. All the other photos I
> have of this aircraft show the APS-20 radom where iot should be. Maybe
> somebody cut it off...

None of the P-2s I have seen recently have had radoms. They were all flying
as water bombers fighting forest fires and looked something like this:
http://website.lineone.net/~roling47/Bombers/WBP2a.JPG

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/

[Boomerang]

It sure had a radome when it was old LG-11 from VP-18.

[Boomerang]

It sure had a radome when it was old LG-11 from VP-18.

[Wayne Paul]

"Boomerang" > wrote in message
...
> It sure had a radome when it was old LG-11 from VP-18.
>

True. All the operational P-2s stationed at Whidbey Island back in the mid
1960s had radomes.

Wayne
http://tinyurl.com/yv2czg
USN (Retired)

[Wayne Paul]

"Boomerang" > wrote in message
...
> It sure had a radome when it was old LG-11 from VP-18.
>

True. All the operational P-2s stationed at Whidbey Island back in the mid
1960s had radomes.

Wayne
http://tinyurl.com/yv2czg
USN (Retired)

[Dave Kearton]

Boomerang wrote:
> It sure had a radome when it was old LG-11 from VP-18.



I'm not sure I follow you there on this one. This particular
airframe was delivered new to the RAAF in '62.


Interestingly <trivia time> the RAAF bought this Neptune as 61-49079 from
the USAF. At the time, foreign air forces couldn't buy aircraft directly
from the manufacturers, but had to go through the relevant service.
When they were replaced, the Orions were purchased through the USN.




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Cheers

Dave Kearton

[Dave Kearton]

Boomerang wrote:
> It sure had a radome when it was old LG-11 from VP-18.



I'm not sure I follow you there on this one. This particular
airframe was delivered new to the RAAF in '62.


Interestingly <trivia time> the RAAF bought this Neptune as 61-49079 from
the USAF. At the time, foreign air forces couldn't buy aircraft directly
from the manufacturers, but had to go through the relevant service.
When they were replaced, the Orions were purchased through the USN.




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Cheers

Dave Kearton

[Dave Kearton]

Boomerang wrote:
> It should be there, someplace, maybe in the grass. All the other
> photos I have of this aircraft show the APS-20 radom where iot should
> be. Maybe somebody cut it off...


Yup, on checking further, I have 2 photos, circa '67 featuring the radome.


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[Dave Kearton]

Boomerang wrote:
> It should be there, someplace, maybe in the grass. All the other
> photos I have of this aircraft show the APS-20 radom where iot should
> be. Maybe somebody cut it off...


Yup, on checking further, I have 2 photos, circa '67 featuring the radome.


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Cheers

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[Harriet and John]

"It" being the RAAF bird, yes. The other "it" is the red firefighter in
Wayne's citation which was old.LG-11

[Harriet and John]

"It" being the RAAF bird, yes. The other "it" is the red firefighter in
Wayne's citation which was old.LG-11

[Dave Kearton]

"Harriet and John" > wrote in message
...
> "It" being the RAAF bird, yes. The other "it" is the red firefighter in
> Wayne's citation which was old.LG-11
>


Ah ha , thanks, now it makes sense.



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[Dave Kearton]

"Harriet and John" > wrote in message
...
> "It" being the RAAF bird, yes. The other "it" is the red firefighter in
> Wayne's citation which was old.LG-11
>


Ah ha , thanks, now it makes sense.



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Cheers

Dave Kearton

[CWO4 Dave Mann]

Bob Moore wrote:
> CWO4 Dave Mann wrote
>> I am wondering if the "flash bulb" P2V was something special cooked up
>> for Vietnam. We had two of them flying out of Da Nang with US Army
>> crews on board. That was from mid-1965 to -mid 1967.
>
> The US Army operated AP-2E (P2V-5F) ECM aircraft from Cam Rahn Bay (67-72),
> the Navy operated OP-2E with machine gun pods from Nakhon Phanon, Thailand,
> and the Navy operated AP-2H armed ECM aircraft along the Ho Chi Minh Trail
> from 1967 to 1969.
>
> Bob Moore

Thanks for the corrective info Bob ... nothing like 40 years to muddle
the puddle!

Cheers,

Dave

[CWO4 Dave Mann]

Bob Moore wrote:
> CWO4 Dave Mann wrote
>> I am wondering if the "flash bulb" P2V was something special cooked up
>> for Vietnam. We had two of them flying out of Da Nang with US Army
>> crews on board. That was from mid-1965 to -mid 1967.
>
> The US Army operated AP-2E (P2V-5F) ECM aircraft from Cam Rahn Bay (67-72),
> the Navy operated OP-2E with machine gun pods from Nakhon Phanon, Thailand,
> and the Navy operated AP-2H armed ECM aircraft along the Ho Chi Minh Trail
> from 1967 to 1969.
>
> Bob Moore

Thanks for the corrective info Bob ... nothing like 40 years to muddle
the puddle!

Cheers,

Dave

[redc1c4]

CWO4 Dave Mann wrote:
>
> This looks like the photo recon version with the zillion candlepower
> strobes in the wing tips. Rare bird. The Mohawk had a similar system
> only the strobe light was under the fuselage.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave

that's gotta make for interesting flying at night.....

redc1c4,
(a *little* too exciting for me. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

[redc1c4]

CWO4 Dave Mann wrote:
>
> This looks like the photo recon version with the zillion candlepower
> strobes in the wing tips. Rare bird. The Mohawk had a similar system
> only the strobe light was under the fuselage.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave

that's gotta make for interesting flying at night.....

redc1c4,
(a *little* too exciting for me. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

[Grumpy AuContraire[_2_]]

I remember when we were testing the OV-1 strobes in Vung Tau way back
when...

JT




CWO4 Dave Mann wrote:
> This looks like the photo recon version with the zillion candlepower
> strobes in the wing tips. Rare bird. The Mohawk had a similar system
> only the strobe light was under the fuselage.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>

[Grumpy AuContraire[_2_]]

I remember when we were testing the OV-1 strobes in Vung Tau way back
when...

JT




CWO4 Dave Mann wrote:
> This looks like the photo recon version with the zillion candlepower
> strobes in the wing tips. Rare bird. The Mohawk had a similar system
> only the strobe light was under the fuselage.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>

[CWO4 Dave Mann]

redc1c4 wrote:
> CWO4 Dave Mann wrote:
>> This looks like the photo recon version with the zillion candlepower
>> strobes in the wing tips. Rare bird. The Mohawk had a similar system
>> only the strobe light was under the fuselage.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
>
> that's gotta make for interesting flying at night.....
>
> redc1c4,
> (a *little* too exciting for me. %-)

Hey Red, yes I imagine it was. I've been on the ground when we had an
IMINT mission come over and it was really creepy, like one of those
disco dance places during the 1970's with the strobes.

You could see it at Ft Huachuca, AZ all the time, almost every night.
Looked like the mothership beaming down. I wonder now why they didn't
design in an infrared system, but then the only thing I know about the
OV1 family is that it was so ugly it was beautiful. High performance
bug ...

Cheers,

Dave

[CWO4 Dave Mann]

redc1c4 wrote:
> CWO4 Dave Mann wrote:
>> This looks like the photo recon version with the zillion candlepower
>> strobes in the wing tips. Rare bird. The Mohawk had a similar system
>> only the strobe light was under the fuselage.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
>
> that's gotta make for interesting flying at night.....
>
> redc1c4,
> (a *little* too exciting for me. %-)

Hey Red, yes I imagine it was. I've been on the ground when we had an
IMINT mission come over and it was really creepy, like one of those
disco dance places during the 1970's with the strobes.

You could see it at Ft Huachuca, AZ all the time, almost every night.
Looked like the mothership beaming down. I wonder now why they didn't
design in an infrared system, but then the only thing I know about the
OV1 family is that it was so ugly it was beautiful. High performance
bug ...

Cheers,

Dave

[Bob Harrington]

[Bob Harrington]

[Russell]

I wonder who bought her. The museum and its exibits went up for auction in
December last year.

"Glenn Alderton" > wrote in message
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>
>
>

[Russell]

I wonder who bought her. The museum and its exibits went up for auction in
December last year.

"Glenn Alderton" > wrote in message
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>
>
>

[Glenn Alderton[_2_]]

It is still for sale as far as i am aware.no one wanted it at the price that
ws offered.


"Russell" > wrote in message
u...
>I wonder who bought her. The museum and its exibits went up for auction in
>December last year.
>
> "Glenn Alderton" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Glenn Alderton[_2_]]

It is still for sale as far as i am aware.no one wanted it at the price that
ws offered.


"Russell" > wrote in message
u...
>I wonder who bought her. The museum and its exibits went up for auction in
>December last year.
>
> "Glenn Alderton" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Thomas A. Hoffer]

Actually, until 1970, all naval reserve Neptunes were stationed at the
former NAS Seattle (Sandpoint). VP-69 was established at Whidbey after the
closure of the airfield at Seattle.


"Bob Harrington" > wrote in message
...
> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> "Boomerang" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> It sure had a radome when it was old LG-11 from VP-18.
>>>
>>
>> True. All the operational P-2s stationed at Whidbey Island back in
>> the mid 1960s had radomes.
>
> And they still had 'em in the mid '70s. ;^)
>
> Bob ^,,^

[Thomas A. Hoffer]

Actually, until 1970, all naval reserve Neptunes were stationed at the
former NAS Seattle (Sandpoint). VP-69 was established at Whidbey after the
closure of the airfield at Seattle.


"Bob Harrington" > wrote in message
...
> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> "Boomerang" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> It sure had a radome when it was old LG-11 from VP-18.
>>>
>>
>> True. All the operational P-2s stationed at Whidbey Island back in
>> the mid 1960s had radomes.
>
> And they still had 'em in the mid '70s. ;^)
>
> Bob ^,,^

[Wayne Paul]

"Thomas A. Hoffer" > wrote in message
...
> Actually, until 1970, all naval reserve Neptunes were stationed at the
> former NAS Seattle (Sandpoint). VP-69 was established at Whidbey after the
> closure of the airfield at Seattle.
>
Thomas,

The VP P-2 squadrons I was refering to were not reserve squadrons. In the
'60s there was also a seaplane tender and a P-5M VP quadron stationed at
Whidbey.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder





>
> "Bob Harrington" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>
>>> "Boomerang" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> It sure had a radome when it was old LG-11 from VP-18.
>>>>
>>>
>>> True. All the operational P-2s stationed at Whidbey Island back in
>>> the mid 1960s had radomes.
>>
>> And they still had 'em in the mid '70s. ;^)
>>
>> Bob ^,,^
>

[Wayne Paul]

"Thomas A. Hoffer" > wrote in message
...
> Actually, until 1970, all naval reserve Neptunes were stationed at the
> former NAS Seattle (Sandpoint). VP-69 was established at Whidbey after the
> closure of the airfield at Seattle.
>
Thomas,

The VP P-2 squadrons I was refering to were not reserve squadrons. In the
'60s there was also a seaplane tender and a P-5M VP quadron stationed at
Whidbey.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder





>
> "Bob Harrington" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>
>>> "Boomerang" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> It sure had a radome when it was old LG-11 from VP-18.
>>>>
>>>
>>> True. All the operational P-2s stationed at Whidbey Island back in
>>> the mid 1960s had radomes.
>>
>> And they still had 'em in the mid '70s. ;^)
>>
>> Bob ^,,^
>

[Bob Harrington]

"Thomas A. Hoffer" > wrote in
:

> Actually, until 1970, all naval reserve Neptunes were stationed at the
> former NAS Seattle (Sandpoint). VP-69 was established at Whidbey after
> the closure of the airfield at Seattle.

(Delayed response - me 'n' the cat have had a ~really~ bad week, but think
survival is in the offing)

I've only lived in Seattle since 1963, so I was naturally unaware of this
fact...

It does, however, explain an experience I had one winter evening in 1968
or '69 as a kid of 13 out on my paper route in the area along Lake
Washington a couple miles north of NAS Sand Point. Typical northwest low
clouds lit by city lights when a loud rumble was heard overhead. I looked
up to see the unmistakeable silhouette of a Neptune, complete with blue
flames visible from the engine exhasusts, at an altitude that couldn't
have been much more than a thousand feet or so, heading south. Makes
sense to me now that he was on approach to Sand Point, as the next closest
airport of consequence was Boeing Field - way too much farther away and in
somewhat the wrong direction.

And to think they laughed at me when I had that Brain Clapper® with a
built-in 38 year time delay installed...

Bob ^,,^

[Bob Harrington]

"Thomas A. Hoffer" > wrote in
:

> Actually, until 1970, all naval reserve Neptunes were stationed at the
> former NAS Seattle (Sandpoint). VP-69 was established at Whidbey after
> the closure of the airfield at Seattle.

(Delayed response - me 'n' the cat have had a ~really~ bad week, but think
survival is in the offing)

I've only lived in Seattle since 1963, so I was naturally unaware of this
fact...

It does, however, explain an experience I had one winter evening in 1968
or '69 as a kid of 13 out on my paper route in the area along Lake
Washington a couple miles north of NAS Sand Point. Typical northwest low
clouds lit by city lights when a loud rumble was heard overhead. I looked
up to see the unmistakeable silhouette of a Neptune, complete with blue
flames visible from the engine exhasusts, at an altitude that couldn't
have been much more than a thousand feet or so, heading south. Makes
sense to me now that he was on approach to Sand Point, as the next closest
airport of consequence was Boeing Field - way too much farther away and in
somewhat the wrong direction.

And to think they laughed at me when I had that Brain Clapper® with a
built-in 38 year time delay installed...

Bob ^,,^

[Dave Kearton]

Bob Harrington wrote:

>
> (Delayed response - me 'n' the cat have had a ~really~ bad week, but
> think survival is in the offing)
>
>
> Bob ^,,^



Good to see you back on deck - and that your cat's OK.



We all know that good cat is hard to find ....... or words to that effect.





--

Cheers

Dave Kearton

[Dave Kearton]

Bob Harrington wrote:

>
> (Delayed response - me 'n' the cat have had a ~really~ bad week, but
> think survival is in the offing)
>
>
> Bob ^,,^



Good to see you back on deck - and that your cat's OK.



We all know that good cat is hard to find ....... or words to that effect.





--

Cheers

Dave Kearton

[Bob Harrington]

[Bob Harrington]

[Wayne Paul]

"Bob Harrington" > wrote in message
...
> "Thomas A. Hoffer" > wrote in
> :
>
>> Actually, until 1970, all naval reserve Neptunes were stationed at the
>> former NAS Seattle (Sandpoint). VP-69 was established at Whidbey after
>> the closure of the airfield at Seattle.
>
> (Delayed response - me 'n' the cat have had a ~really~ bad week, but think
> survival is in the offing)
>
> I've only lived in Seattle since 1963, so I was naturally unaware of this
> fact...
>
> It does, however, explain an experience I had one winter evening in 1968
> or '69 as a kid of 13 out on my paper route in the area along Lake
> Washington a couple miles north of NAS Sand Point. Typical northwest low
> clouds lit by city lights when a loud rumble was heard overhead. I looked
> up to see the unmistakeable silhouette of a Neptune, complete with blue
> flames visible from the engine exhasusts, at an altitude that couldn't
> have been much more than a thousand feet or so, heading south. Makes
> sense to me now that he was on approach to Sand Point, as the next closest
> airport of consequence was Boeing Field - way too much farther away and in
> somewhat the wrong direction.
>
> And to think they laughed at me when I had that Brain Clapper® with a
> built-in 38 year time delay installed...
>
> Bob ^,,^
>
Ah, NAS Sand Point, the place where, back in 1962, I took my first flight
physical and signed on the dotted line commencing 23 years of naval service.
It seemed strange to visit last summer and see all the old building in
disrepair and see that the place has been converted to a "community garden'
and dog park. The only aircraft I say was a RC model flying over one of the
softball fields.

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/

[Wayne Paul]

"Bob Harrington" > wrote in message
...
> "Thomas A. Hoffer" > wrote in
> :
>
>> Actually, until 1970, all naval reserve Neptunes were stationed at the
>> former NAS Seattle (Sandpoint). VP-69 was established at Whidbey after
>> the closure of the airfield at Seattle.
>
> (Delayed response - me 'n' the cat have had a ~really~ bad week, but think
> survival is in the offing)
>
> I've only lived in Seattle since 1963, so I was naturally unaware of this
> fact...
>
> It does, however, explain an experience I had one winter evening in 1968
> or '69 as a kid of 13 out on my paper route in the area along Lake
> Washington a couple miles north of NAS Sand Point. Typical northwest low
> clouds lit by city lights when a loud rumble was heard overhead. I looked
> up to see the unmistakeable silhouette of a Neptune, complete with blue
> flames visible from the engine exhasusts, at an altitude that couldn't
> have been much more than a thousand feet or so, heading south. Makes
> sense to me now that he was on approach to Sand Point, as the next closest
> airport of consequence was Boeing Field - way too much farther away and in
> somewhat the wrong direction.
>
> And to think they laughed at me when I had that Brain Clapper® with a
> built-in 38 year time delay installed...
>
> Bob ^,,^
>
Ah, NAS Sand Point, the place where, back in 1962, I took my first flight
physical and signed on the dotted line commencing 23 years of naval service.
It seemed strange to visit last summer and see all the old building in
disrepair and see that the place has been converted to a "community garden'
and dog park. The only aircraft I say was a RC model flying over one of the
softball fields.

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/

[Bob Harrington]

[Bob Harrington]

[redc1c4]

Bob Harrington wrote:
>
> "Dave Kearton" > wrote in
> :
>
> > Bob Harrington wrote:
> >[i]
> >>
> >> (Delayed response - me 'n' the cat have had a ~really~ bad week, but
> >> think survival is in the offing)
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob ^,,^
> >
> >
> >
> > Good to see you back on deck - and that your cat's OK.
> >
> >
> >
> > We all know that good cat is hard to find ....... or words to that
> > effect.
>
> The poor beast is down about 30 rocks from his bladder, and looks like he
> lost a fight with a forest clearcutting crew. Not at all sure why they went
> with the corndog 'do for his winderfully striped tail...
>
> But he does seem to be on the mend, I'll take that over other options any
> day.
>
> Bob ^,,^
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

talk to your vet about this stuff:
http://www.cpvh.com/Pharmacy/ph39.html

we use it on Hairy Calahan. he's 9# of **** & vinegar that's
supposed to be a cute Persian. his brother, the Balinese Siamese
is ~20#'s of confusion that's fairly certain he's a dog. (long story)

to keep this remotely on thread, Hairy was born to & raised by family
friends who live on Whidbey......

my best to your boy from mine.

redc1c4,
who has a pool in the yard so the cat's have water to drink.... %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

[Bob Harrington]

redc1c4 > wrote in
:

>
> talk to your vet about this stuff:
> http://www.cpvh.com/Pharmacy/ph39.html
>
> we use it on Hairy Calahan. he's 9# of **** & vinegar that's
> supposed to be a cute Persian. his brother, the Balinese Siamese
> is ~20#'s of confusion that's fairly certain he's a dog. (long story)
>
> to keep this remotely on thread, Hairy was born to & raised by family
> friends who live on Whidbey......
>
> my best to your boy from mine.
>
> redc1c4,
> who has a pool in the yard so the cat's have water to drink.... %-)

Thread, schmread... At least we ain't bitchin' about politics. ('poli'
as in 'many'; 'tics' as in 'involuntary spasms'.)

The Barniff needs a return visit to the cat repair shop for a checkup
soon, after we get the results of what his rocks were made of. Vet
already mentioned the possibility of such a dietary tweak. Not looking
forward to stuffing things down his gullet - he already has a few of my
fingers to gnaw on...

Is it nap time yet?

[redc1c4]

Bob Harrington wrote:
>
> redc1c4 > wrote in
> :
>
> >
> > talk to your vet about this stuff:
> > http://www.cpvh.com/Pharmacy/ph39.html
> >
> > we use it on Hairy Calahan. he's 9# of **** & vinegar that's
> > supposed to be a cute Persian. his brother, the Balinese Siamese
> > is ~20#'s of confusion that's fairly certain he's a dog. (long story)
> >
> > to keep this remotely on thread, Hairy was born to & raised by family
> > friends who live on Whidbey......
> >
> > my best to your boy from mine.
> >
> > redc1c4,
> > who has a pool in the yard so the cat's have water to drink.... %-)
>
> Thread, schmread... At least we ain't bitchin' about politics. ('poli'
> as in 'many'; 'tics' as in 'involuntary spasms'.)
>
> The Barniff needs a return visit to the cat repair shop for a checkup
> soon, after we get the results of what his rocks were made of. Vet
> already mentioned the possibility of such a dietary tweak. Not looking
> forward to stuffing things down his gullet - he already has a few of my
> fingers to gnaw on...
>
> Is it nap time yet?

Hairy actually *likes* eating the tab.... strange as that is. gotta
crack it in half, but the ruffian will jump up on the counter in search
of his dose, and eat it enthusiastically..... contrary SOB that he is.
(obviously *my* child.... %-)

buy them on line: i got 500 tabs for about what 60 was
via the vet here in Lost Angels.

pics are from the RESCAP i drove to get "Smoky"....

we didn't plan it that way, but we went to Insane Diego the day of the
Cedar Fire....it took all my army acquired skills to get through the
barriers and the blockades to meet up with his rescue people at their
evac site....they had to unass their AO & we met at the local WalMart.

redc1c4,
"poli' & 'ticks' as in many blood sucking creatures...... %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

[Thomas A. Hoffer]

Bob:

I'm glad to hear that you and your cat are doing better. I'm a cat owner
too (seems like a lot of us on this newsgroup are coming out of the closet -
LOL). Actually, as much as I like dogs and having grown up with German
Sheppards, cats are easier to care for and maintain.

Mine "adopted" me almost twelve years ago. "Gizmo" (that's the name she
came with) was neglected by neighbors and was about to be "dropped off"
along the highway. She exhibited at first traits normally associated with
ferel felines. The first 7 years I kept her as an indoor/outdoor cat.
However, since moving into my home 5 years ago, she's been strictly indoors.
With 1700+ square feet Gizmo has plenty of room to run. My one consistent
concern with her has been a running battle with her anal glands rupturing
and becoming infected. The surgeries are not pretty. So I empathize with
you.

On another note. You and I are near neighbors. I live in Olympia. I worked
at Sand Point from 1987 to 1990, then called NAVSTA Puget Sound, and I was
there the night the former BOQ burnt down. I was watching a video in one of
the day rooms with a co-worker who had the CDO duty and left an hour before
the place caught fire. Afterwards I remember passing the area the Job Corps
kids were using and watching them leave. To this day I wonder, "What if?"
Had I popped my head into the room to turn off the lights would I have
noticed the smoldering cigarette? Next morning I awoke to the news on the
t.v. of a five alarm fire at the base. Tragic!

Some say the fire secured Sand Point's closing.

Urban legend had it that the hill overlooking Sand Point had almost as many
retired regular and reserve captains and admirals as did San Diego. An
exageration to be sure, but I remember giving a presentation for a group in
the BOQ/O'Club and I never met so many retired reserve (not regular) flag
officers.

After the fire they tried to relocate the O'Club function to the CPO and
Enlisted Clubs, but it wasn't the same. The allure for whatever reason was
gone. Plans changed as well. Land had been purchased from the Tulalip (sp?)
tribe and the need for for the Navy to keep Sand Point really disappeared.
The BRAC decision to close Sand Point came as no surprise.

I had actually been assigned, after college, as an analyst intern in the
Everett Homeport Project office and the Base's Manpower Management section.
Wonderful three years of my life. Was paid peanuts, but I had a ball! The
original plan was to develop the old shipyard on the Everett waterfront as
an operational site with Sand Point Annex providing most of the support and
logistics (i.e. housing, commissary /NEX, etc.).

I visited quite often and watched as one tenant command after another left
for other locales. I had to renew my vehicle decal in October 1993 and the
place was very quiet. The only people left were security, fire and public
works caretaker staff. The Brig may have been still active, as well as the
commissary and Exchange which had been fenced off from the station in 1992.
By Winter of 1995 it was a ghost town. All tenant commands were relocated
and all that remained were the boiler plant staff and a small fire/ security
detachment.

Unfortunately I could not attend the decommissioning ceremony in November
1995. I was informed too late and I had other committments. They opened the
base to the public one last time, allowing people to walk through many of
the now empty buildings. In the admin building hanger many former personnel
brought mementos and there were other exhibits. I remember catching it on
the news that night and wished I had made other arrangements.

My own personal history of Sandpoint goes back earlier, but not as far back
as Bob's. My family moved to Seattle in September 1978 and we spent a week
in the BOQ until our household goods arrived. At that time it was referred
to as Naval Support Activity Seattle. For about 15 months we lived in
Redmond and used the commissary, Exchange, gym, dispensary until moving to
the Kitsap Peninsula. At that time Magnuson Park was under construction and
the fence lines were well established delineating the city park, NOAA
headquarters and the naval cantonment area.

Today the former Navy property is used mostly by the City of Seattle. The
Seattle Police occupy the old dispensary/dental facility. A boating/sailing
outfit is located in the old Public Works area as well as the old MWR docks.
A group involved in making movies is in the old hangar used formerly by the
reserve Seabee and reserve cargo handling battalions. The North and South
wings of the BOQ have been refurbished and are a shelter for battered women
as are the three former senior officer quarters down the street.

The old yellow hanger that housed the NEX/commissary still stands but may be
torn down. I'm not sure if anyone has found this. But five years ago I
discovered what looks like an old marker of some sort which has "VR 51"
stenciled on it. It's buried in asphalt.

The City of Seattle Parks Department has a nice webpage on the military
presence at what was once called "Sand Point" , but I know of no plans for a
museum.

Geez! I've babbled on long enough. At least it's aviation and cat related.

[Bob Harrington]

[Bob Harrington]

redc1c4 > wrote in
:

> Bob Harrington wrote:
>>
>> redc1c4 > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> >
>> > talk to your vet about this stuff:
>> > http://www.cpvh.com/Pharmacy/ph39.html
>> >
>> > we use it on Hairy Calahan. he's 9# of **** & vinegar that's
>> > supposed to be a cute Persian. his brother, the Balinese Siamese
>> > is ~20#'s of confusion that's fairly certain he's a dog. (long
>> > story)
>> >
>> > to keep this remotely on thread, Hairy was born to & raised by
>> > family friends who live on Whidbey......
>> >
>> > my best to your boy from mine.
>> >
>> > redc1c4,
>> > who has a pool in the yard so the cat's have water to drink.... %-)
>>
>> Thread, schmread... At least we ain't bitchin' about politics.
>> ('poli' as in 'many'; 'tics' as in 'involuntary spasms'.)
>>
>> The Barniff needs a return visit to the cat repair shop for a checkup
>> soon, after we get the results of what his rocks were made of. Vet
>> already mentioned the possibility of such a dietary tweak. Not
>> looking forward to stuffing things down his gullet - he already has a
>> few of my fingers to gnaw on...
>>
>> Is it nap time yet?
>
> Hairy actually *likes* eating the tab.... strange as that is. gotta
> crack it in half, but the ruffian will jump up on the counter in
> search of his dose, and eat it enthusiastically..... contrary SOB that
> he is. (obviously *my* child.... %-)
>
> buy them on line: i got 500 tabs for about what 60 was
> via the vet here in Lost Angels.
>
> pics are from the RESCAP i drove to get "Smoky"....
>
> we didn't plan it that way, but we went to Insane Diego the day of the
> Cedar Fire....it took all my army acquired skills to get through the
> barriers and the blockades to meet up with his rescue people at their
> evac site....they had to unass their AO & we met at the local WalMart.
>
> redc1c4,
> "poli' & 'ticks' as in many blood sucking creatures...... %-)

Yoiks! That's more smoke than I need to see in a lifetime...

Hairy the drug scarfing feline appears to have lots of catitude!