NASA Astronaut Diaper chick...

[Overlord]

Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
chick...

She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????

Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...

My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
hours???? Egads

I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had way
more than any 1500 hours.

Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
or for that matter an autopilot.

OL

[Ray O'Hara]

"Overlord" > wrote in message
...
> Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
> chick...
>
> She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
>
> Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
>
> My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
> hours???? Egads
>
> I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
> than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had
way
> more than any 1500 hours.
>
> Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
> or for that matter an autopilot.
>

she was probably a scientist with other skills

[Ray O'Hara]

"Overlord" > wrote in message
...
> Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
> chick...
>
> She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
>
> Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
>
> My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
> hours???? Egads
>
> I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
> than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had
way
> more than any 1500 hours.
>
> Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
> or for that matter an autopilot.
>

she was probably a scientist with other skills

[Mike Henley]

"Overlord" > wrote in message
...
> Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
> chick...
>
> She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
>
> Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
>
> My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
> hours???? Egads
>
> I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
> than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had
> way more than any 1500 hours.
>
> Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
> or for that matter an autopilot.
>
> OL
>
She was a Naval Flight Officer (NFO) not a pilot. Most of her duty was in
Engineering assignments.

[Mike Henley]

"Overlord" > wrote in message
...
> Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
> chick...
>
> She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
>
> Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
>
> My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
> hours???? Egads
>
> I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
> than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had
> way more than any 1500 hours.
>
> Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
> or for that matter an autopilot.
>
> OL
>
She was a Naval Flight Officer (NFO) not a pilot. Most of her duty was in
Engineering assignments.

[Alan Erskine]

"Overlord" > wrote in message
...
> Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
> chick...
>
> She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
>
> Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
>
> My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
> hours???? Egads
>
> I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
> than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had
way
> more than any 1500 hours.
>
> Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
> or for that matter an autopilot.

She wasn't an astronaut in the Mercury sense - not a pilot. She is (still
active last I heard) either a Payload Specialist or a Mission Specialist -
my bet is the former.


--
Alan Erskine

[Alan Erskine]

"Overlord" > wrote in message
...
> Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
> chick...
>
> She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
>
> Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
>
> My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
> hours???? Egads
>
> I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
> than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had
way
> more than any 1500 hours.
>
> Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
> or for that matter an autopilot.

She wasn't an astronaut in the Mercury sense - not a pilot. She is (still
active last I heard) either a Payload Specialist or a Mission Specialist -
my bet is the former.


--
Alan Erskine

[The Raven]

"Overlord" > wrote in message
...
> Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
> chick...
>
> She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????

Mission specialist.

> Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...

There is more to being in the shuttle than being a pilot.

> My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
> hours???? Egads

NASA is meant to be more about science than the military.

> I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
> than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had
> way more than any 1500 hours.

Get with the program, you're talking how many decades ago?

> Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
> or for that matter an autopilot.

What a hero, now tell us about how you learnt to fly using wing warping.

[The Raven]

"Overlord" > wrote in message
...
> Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
> chick...
>
> She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????

Mission specialist.

> Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...

There is more to being in the shuttle than being a pilot.

> My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
> hours???? Egads

NASA is meant to be more about science than the military.

> I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
> than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had
> way more than any 1500 hours.

Get with the program, you're talking how many decades ago?

> Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
> or for that matter an autopilot.

What a hero, now tell us about how you learnt to fly using wing warping.

[Alan[_1_]]

"Mike Henley" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Overlord" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
> > chick...
> >
> > She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
> >
> > Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
> >
> > My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
> > hours???? Egads
> >
> > I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY
more
> > than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had
> > way more than any 1500 hours.
> >
> > Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a
copilot,
> > or for that matter an autopilot.
> >
> > OL
> >
> She was a Naval Flight Officer (NFO) not a pilot. Most of her duty was in
> Engineering assignments.
>
No matter how you slice it, she's a bad apple and deserves to be cut from
the program.
.... then she can write a book and make a gadzillion dollars

[Alan[_1_]]

"Mike Henley" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Overlord" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
> > chick...
> >
> > She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
> >
> > Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
> >
> > My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
> > hours???? Egads
> >
> > I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY
more
> > than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had
> > way more than any 1500 hours.
> >
> > Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a
copilot,
> > or for that matter an autopilot.
> >
> > OL
> >
> She was a Naval Flight Officer (NFO) not a pilot. Most of her duty was in
> Engineering assignments.
>
No matter how you slice it, she's a bad apple and deserves to be cut from
the program.
.... then she can write a book and make a gadzillion dollars

[Mitchell Holman[_2_]]

"Alan" > wrote in news:jTiyh.15297$dB4.9774
@fe08.news.easynews.com:

>
> "Mike Henley" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Overlord" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
>> > chick...
>> >
>> > She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
>> >
>> > Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
>> >
>> > My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
>> > hours???? Egads
>> >
>> > I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY
> more
>> > than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all
had
>> > way more than any 1500 hours.
>> >
>> > Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a
> copilot,
>> > or for that matter an autopilot.
>> >
>> > OL
>> >
>> She was a Naval Flight Officer (NFO) not a pilot. Most of her duty was
in
>> Engineering assignments.
>>
> No matter how you slice it, she's a bad apple and deserves to be cut from
> the program.
> ... then she can write a book and make a gadzillion dollars


Not with the Son of Sam law in place.

[Mitchell Holman[_2_]]

"Alan" > wrote in news:jTiyh.15297$dB4.9774
@fe08.news.easynews.com:

>
> "Mike Henley" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Overlord" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
>> > chick...
>> >
>> > She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
>> >
>> > Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
>> >
>> > My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
>> > hours???? Egads
>> >
>> > I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY
> more
>> > than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all
had
>> > way more than any 1500 hours.
>> >
>> > Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a
> copilot,
>> > or for that matter an autopilot.
>> >
>> > OL
>> >
>> She was a Naval Flight Officer (NFO) not a pilot. Most of her duty was
in
>> Engineering assignments.
>>
> No matter how you slice it, she's a bad apple and deserves to be cut from
> the program.
> ... then she can write a book and make a gadzillion dollars


Not with the Son of Sam law in place.

[Overlord]

> Mission specialist.<

OK, that explains it. Hey why don't we just get some homeless guys to fly in
space. It would save us a ton of money.

> There is more to being in the shuttle than being a pilot.
>

See above...

> NASA is meant to be more about science than the military.<

So where did I mention the military, Brainiac?

> Get with the program, you're talking how many decades ago?<

Yeah, I know, "dumbing down" is SOP in every walk of life these days. I
predict that soon the minimum requirement for holding a job will be can you
get there at least one day a week...

> What a hero, now tell us about how you learnt to fly using wing warping.<

Hehehe. Well, Im not quite THAT old....But I did solo in a Luscombe.

8^)

OL

[Overlord]

> Mission specialist.<

OK, that explains it. Hey why don't we just get some homeless guys to fly in
space. It would save us a ton of money.

> There is more to being in the shuttle than being a pilot.
>

See above...

> NASA is meant to be more about science than the military.<

So where did I mention the military, Brainiac?

> Get with the program, you're talking how many decades ago?<

Yeah, I know, "dumbing down" is SOP in every walk of life these days. I
predict that soon the minimum requirement for holding a job will be can you
get there at least one day a week...

> What a hero, now tell us about how you learnt to fly using wing warping.<

Hehehe. Well, Im not quite THAT old....But I did solo in a Luscombe.

8^)

OL

[John Meyer[_1_]]

In article >,
"Overlord" > wrote:

> Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
> chick...
>
> She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
>
> Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
>
> My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
> hours???? Egads
>
> I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
> than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had way
> more than any 1500 hours.
>
> Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
> or for that matter an autopilot.
>
> OL

Your comments are so stupid on so many levels it's difficult to know
where to begin...

OK: the diaper is the least puzzling aspect of this whole episode.
Shuttle crews wear diapers during launch & reentry when they do not have
access to the lavatory.

Political correctness? What? Did you read any other part of her
biography? She is qualified as a mission specialist. She is an engineer.
She does not fly the orbiter.

A couple of the males in her class:
MICHAEL ³MIKE² FINCKE (LIEUTENANT COLONEL, USAF)
NASA ASTRONAUT: over 825 flight hours in more than 30 different aircraft
types.

LEE M.E. MORIN, M.D., PH.D. (CAPTAIN, USN)
NASA ASTRONAUT: doesn't seem to be a pilot at all.

--
One is always considered mad when one perfects something that others can
not grasp.*- Ed Wood

[John Meyer[_1_]]

In article >,
"Overlord" > wrote:

> Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
> chick...
>
> She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
>
> Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
>
> My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
> hours???? Egads
>
> I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
> than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had way
> more than any 1500 hours.
>
> Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
> or for that matter an autopilot.
>
> OL

Your comments are so stupid on so many levels it's difficult to know
where to begin...

OK: the diaper is the least puzzling aspect of this whole episode.
Shuttle crews wear diapers during launch & reentry when they do not have
access to the lavatory.

Political correctness? What? Did you read any other part of her
biography? She is qualified as a mission specialist. She is an engineer.
She does not fly the orbiter.

A couple of the males in her class:
MICHAEL ³MIKE² FINCKE (LIEUTENANT COLONEL, USAF)
NASA ASTRONAUT: over 825 flight hours in more than 30 different aircraft
types.

LEE M.E. MORIN, M.D., PH.D. (CAPTAIN, USN)
NASA ASTRONAUT: doesn't seem to be a pilot at all.

--
One is always considered mad when one perfects something that others can
not grasp.*- Ed Wood

[Walt[_2_]]

John Meyer wrote:
> In article >,
> "Overlord" > wrote:
>
>> Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
>> chick...
>>
>> She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
>>
>> Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
>>
>> My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
>> hours???? Egads
>>
>> I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
>> than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had way
>> more than any 1500 hours.
>>
>> Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
>> or for that matter an autopilot.
>>
>> OL
>
> Your comments are so stupid on so many levels it's difficult to know
> where to begin...
>
> OK: the diaper is the least puzzling aspect of this whole episode.
> Shuttle crews wear diapers during launch & reentry when they do not have
> access to the lavatory.
>
> Political correctness? What? Did you read any other part of her
> biography? She is qualified as a mission specialist. She is an engineer.
> She does not fly the orbiter.
>
> A couple of the males in her class:
> MICHAEL ³MIKE² FINCKE (LIEUTENANT COLONEL, USAF)
> NASA ASTRONAUT: over 825 flight hours in more than 30 different aircraft
> types.
>
> LEE M.E. MORIN, M.D., PH.D. (CAPTAIN, USN)
> NASA ASTRONAUT: doesn't seem to be a pilot at all.
>
What a waste of a US Naval Officers career. I'm sure there are a million
candidates who never got to attend the USNA that would have served with
honor, contributed to the good of the country and kept their genitals in
check.
She is not to be condemned but pitied and needs help. God bless her
family and I hope they work through this.

[Walt[_2_]]

John Meyer wrote:
> In article >,
> "Overlord" > wrote:
>
>> Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
>> chick...
>>
>> She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
>>
>> Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
>>
>> My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
>> hours???? Egads
>>
>> I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
>> than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had way
>> more than any 1500 hours.
>>
>> Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
>> or for that matter an autopilot.
>>
>> OL
>
> Your comments are so stupid on so many levels it's difficult to know
> where to begin...
>
> OK: the diaper is the least puzzling aspect of this whole episode.
> Shuttle crews wear diapers during launch & reentry when they do not have
> access to the lavatory.
>
> Political correctness? What? Did you read any other part of her
> biography? She is qualified as a mission specialist. She is an engineer.
> She does not fly the orbiter.
>
> A couple of the males in her class:
> MICHAEL ³MIKE² FINCKE (LIEUTENANT COLONEL, USAF)
> NASA ASTRONAUT: over 825 flight hours in more than 30 different aircraft
> types.
>
> LEE M.E. MORIN, M.D., PH.D. (CAPTAIN, USN)
> NASA ASTRONAUT: doesn't seem to be a pilot at all.
>
What a waste of a US Naval Officers career. I'm sure there are a million
candidates who never got to attend the USNA that would have served with
honor, contributed to the good of the country and kept their genitals in
check.
She is not to be condemned but pitied and needs help. God bless her
family and I hope they work through this.

[The Raven]

"Overlord" > wrote in message
. net...
>> Mission specialist.<
>
> OK, that explains it. Hey why don't we just get some homeless guys to fly
> in space. It would save us a ton of money.
>
>> There is more to being in the shuttle than being a pilot.
>>
>
> See above...
>
>> NASA is meant to be more about science than the military.<
>
> So where did I mention the military, Brainiac?

Your reference to flight hours and the Mercury program. Weren't early
astronauts recruited from the military and required a minimum number of
flight hours in fast jets (thus ruling out women).

>
>> Get with the program, you're talking how many decades ago?<
>
> Yeah, I know, "dumbing down" is SOP in every walk of life these days. I
> predict that soon the minimum requirement for holding a job will be can
> you get there at least one day a week...

Hey, that makes me overqualified. Perhaps I can get one of those
directorship positions where I sit around and do nothing but collect a huge
pay check. One day a week ought to be fine.

>
>> What a hero, now tell us about how you learnt to fly using wing warping.<
>
> Hehehe. Well, Im not quite THAT old....But I did solo in a Luscombe.
>

Well, I had hope that you weren't that old? Would have been a good laugh if
you had said otherwise :)

[The Raven]

"Overlord" > wrote in message
. net...
>> Mission specialist.<
>
> OK, that explains it. Hey why don't we just get some homeless guys to fly
> in space. It would save us a ton of money.
>
>> There is more to being in the shuttle than being a pilot.
>>
>
> See above...
>
>> NASA is meant to be more about science than the military.<
>
> So where did I mention the military, Brainiac?

Your reference to flight hours and the Mercury program. Weren't early
astronauts recruited from the military and required a minimum number of
flight hours in fast jets (thus ruling out women).

>
>> Get with the program, you're talking how many decades ago?<
>
> Yeah, I know, "dumbing down" is SOP in every walk of life these days. I
> predict that soon the minimum requirement for holding a job will be can
> you get there at least one day a week...

Hey, that makes me overqualified. Perhaps I can get one of those
directorship positions where I sit around and do nothing but collect a huge
pay check. One day a week ought to be fine.

>
>> What a hero, now tell us about how you learnt to fly using wing warping.<
>
> Hehehe. Well, Im not quite THAT old....But I did solo in a Luscombe.
>

Well, I had hope that you weren't that old? Would have been a good laugh if
you had said otherwise :)

[Overlord]

> Your comments are so stupid on so many levels it's difficult to know where
> to begin...<

Really??? How long have you earned your living as a pilot?

> OK: the diaper is the least puzzling aspect of this whole episode.
> Shuttle crews wear diapers during launch & reentry when they do not have
> access to the lavatory.<

Ummm. Yes. BUT SHE WASN'T ON THE ****ING SHUTTLE, WAS SHE? She was driving
across the country and any idiot knows that every 40 or 50 miles there is
place to take a squat...Only an insane person would **** their pants if it
wasn't necessary.

> Political correctness? What? Did you read any other part of her
> biography? She is qualified as a mission specialist. She is an engineer.
> She does not fly the orbiter.

OK. But the NEWS MEDIA keep saying she is an "astronaut". Perhaps there
should be a push to call people WHAT THEY REALLY ARE, instead of giving them
gratuitous titles that they haven't actually earned. Political
correctness????

> A couple of the males in her class:
> MICHAEL ³MIKE² FINCKE (LIEUTENANT COLONEL, USAF)
> NASA ASTRONAUT: over 825 flight hours in more than 30 different aircraft
> types.<

I really love this one...825 hours in more than 30 different aircraft
types....gimme a ****in' break. I want to see this guy's logbook.

> LEE M.E. MORIN, M.D., PH.D. (CAPTAIN, USN)
> NASA ASTRONAUT: doesn't seem to be a pilot at all.

And therefore not an astronaut....a mission specialist maybe?

Did you know that the FAA now has a Certificate called "Commercial
Astronaut", and that to earn that rating one must actually "fly" a
spacecraft???? You don't get it by riding on one.

OL

[Overlord]

> Your comments are so stupid on so many levels it's difficult to know where
> to begin...<

Really??? How long have you earned your living as a pilot?

> OK: the diaper is the least puzzling aspect of this whole episode.
> Shuttle crews wear diapers during launch & reentry when they do not have
> access to the lavatory.<

Ummm. Yes. BUT SHE WASN'T ON THE ****ING SHUTTLE, WAS SHE? She was driving
across the country and any idiot knows that every 40 or 50 miles there is
place to take a squat...Only an insane person would **** their pants if it
wasn't necessary.

> Political correctness? What? Did you read any other part of her
> biography? She is qualified as a mission specialist. She is an engineer.
> She does not fly the orbiter.

OK. But the NEWS MEDIA keep saying she is an "astronaut". Perhaps there
should be a push to call people WHAT THEY REALLY ARE, instead of giving them
gratuitous titles that they haven't actually earned. Political
correctness????

> A couple of the males in her class:
> MICHAEL ³MIKE² FINCKE (LIEUTENANT COLONEL, USAF)
> NASA ASTRONAUT: over 825 flight hours in more than 30 different aircraft
> types.<

I really love this one...825 hours in more than 30 different aircraft
types....gimme a ****in' break. I want to see this guy's logbook.

> LEE M.E. MORIN, M.D., PH.D. (CAPTAIN, USN)
> NASA ASTRONAUT: doesn't seem to be a pilot at all.

And therefore not an astronaut....a mission specialist maybe?

Did you know that the FAA now has a Certificate called "Commercial
Astronaut", and that to earn that rating one must actually "fly" a
spacecraft???? You don't get it by riding on one.

OL

[Wayne Paul]

"Overlord" > wrote in message
. net...
>> A couple of the males in her class:
>> MICHAEL ³MIKE² FINCKE (LIEUTENANT COLONEL, USAF)
>> NASA ASTRONAUT: over 825 flight hours in more than 30 different aircraft
>> types.<
>
> I really love this one...825 hours in more than 30 different aircraft
> types....gimme a ****in' break. I want to see this guy's logbook.
>
>> LEE M.E. MORIN, M.D., PH.D. (CAPTAIN, USN)
>> NASA ASTRONAUT: doesn't seem to be a pilot at all.
>
> And therefore not an astronaut....a mission specialist maybe?
>

I know this will not convince you; however, here is the Wikipedia definition
of "astronaut."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronaut
Dictionary.com defines it as:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/astronaut
You don't have to be a pilot to meet the "travel in space" definition.

NASA has several set of wings for crew members. Career Astronauts,
Astronaut Candidates and Mission Specialist Astronauts.
(http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/) The term astronaut applies to all crew
members.

By the way, where did you find the "Pilots only" astronaut definition?

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/

[Wayne Paul]

"Overlord" > wrote in message
. net...
>> A couple of the males in her class:
>> MICHAEL ³MIKE² FINCKE (LIEUTENANT COLONEL, USAF)
>> NASA ASTRONAUT: over 825 flight hours in more than 30 different aircraft
>> types.<
>
> I really love this one...825 hours in more than 30 different aircraft
> types....gimme a ****in' break. I want to see this guy's logbook.
>
>> LEE M.E. MORIN, M.D., PH.D. (CAPTAIN, USN)
>> NASA ASTRONAUT: doesn't seem to be a pilot at all.
>
> And therefore not an astronaut....a mission specialist maybe?
>

I know this will not convince you; however, here is the Wikipedia definition
of "astronaut."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronaut
Dictionary.com defines it as:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/astronaut
You don't have to be a pilot to meet the "travel in space" definition.

NASA has several set of wings for crew members. Career Astronauts,
Astronaut Candidates and Mission Specialist Astronauts.
(http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/) The term astronaut applies to all crew
members.

By the way, where did you find the "Pilots only" astronaut definition?

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/

[Bob Moore]

Overlord wrote
> OK. But the NEWS MEDIA keep saying she is an "astronaut". Perhaps
> there should be a push to call people WHAT THEY REALLY ARE, instead of
> giving them gratuitous titles that they haven't actually earned.
> Political correctness????

From Wikipedia.....
An astronaut or cosmonaut (Russian: ???????´?? IPA: [k?sm?'naft]) is a
person who travels in space or has been trained to do so. While often
reserved for professional space travellers, the term is also sometimes
applied to anyone who travels into space, including scientists,
politicians, journalists, and tourists.

Bob Moore

[Bob Moore]

Overlord wrote
> OK. But the NEWS MEDIA keep saying she is an "astronaut". Perhaps
> there should be a push to call people WHAT THEY REALLY ARE, instead of
> giving them gratuitous titles that they haven't actually earned.
> Political correctness????

From Wikipedia.....
An astronaut or cosmonaut (Russian: ???????´?? IPA: [k?sm?'naft]) is a
person who travels in space or has been trained to do so. While often
reserved for professional space travellers, the term is also sometimes
applied to anyone who travels into space, including scientists,
politicians, journalists, and tourists.

Bob Moore

[John Meyer[_1_]]

In article >,
"Overlord" > wrote:

> > Your comments are so stupid on so many levels it's difficult to know where
> > to begin...<
>
> Really??? How long have you earned your living as a pilot?

What does that have to do with anything?
>
> > OK: the diaper is the least puzzling aspect of this whole episode.
> > Shuttle crews wear diapers during launch & reentry when they do not have
> > access to the lavatory.<
>
> Ummm. Yes. BUT SHE WASN'T ON THE ****ING SHUTTLE, WAS SHE? She was driving
> across the country and any idiot knows that every 40 or 50 miles there is
> place to take a squat...Only an insane person would **** their pants if it
> wasn't necessary.

Well she did apparently go a little insane. She wanted to get where she
was going as quickly as possible. Even in her scrambled mental state she
saw that as a problem that could be solved by wearing a diaper. Of
course she knew there were places to stop. She didn't want to stop,
that's the point. As an astronaut she wouldn't think twice about ****ing
in a diaper if it would solve a perceived problem.
>
> > Political correctness? What? Did you read any other part of her
> > biography? She is qualified as a mission specialist. She is an engineer.
> > She does not fly the orbiter.
>
> OK. But the NEWS MEDIA keep saying she is an "astronaut". Perhaps there
> should be a push to call people WHAT THEY REALLY ARE, instead of giving them
> gratuitous titles that they haven't actually earned. Political
> correctness????

According to NASA that is WHAT THEY REALLY ARE. They make the
definition, not you, not the news media.
>
> > A couple of the males in her class:
> > MICHAEL ³MIKE² FINCKE (LIEUTENANT COLONEL, USAF)
> > NASA ASTRONAUT: over 825 flight hours in more than 30 different aircraft
> > types.<
>
> I really love this one...825 hours in more than 30 different aircraft
> types....gimme a ****in' break. I want to see this guy's logbook.

I doubt that he or NASA will comply with your demand to see his logbook,
but knock yourself out.
>
> > LEE M.E. MORIN, M.D., PH.D. (CAPTAIN, USN)
> > NASA ASTRONAUT: doesn't seem to be a pilot at all.
>
> And therefore not an astronaut....a mission specialist maybe?

Yes, a mission specialist, and an astronaut as defined by NASA. By the
way, these bios are directly from NASA.
>
> Did you know that the FAA now has a Certificate called "Commercial
> Astronaut", and that to earn that rating one must actually "fly" a
> spacecraft???? You don't get it by riding on one.

So what? The FAA has nothing to do with how NASA defines an astronaut.
>
> OL

--
One is always considered mad when one perfects something that others can
not grasp.*- Ed Wood

[John Meyer[_1_]]

In article >,
"Overlord" > wrote:

> > Your comments are so stupid on so many levels it's difficult to know where
> > to begin...<
>
> Really??? How long have you earned your living as a pilot?

What does that have to do with anything?
>
> > OK: the diaper is the least puzzling aspect of this whole episode.
> > Shuttle crews wear diapers during launch & reentry when they do not have
> > access to the lavatory.<
>
> Ummm. Yes. BUT SHE WASN'T ON THE ****ING SHUTTLE, WAS SHE? She was driving
> across the country and any idiot knows that every 40 or 50 miles there is
> place to take a squat...Only an insane person would **** their pants if it
> wasn't necessary.

Well she did apparently go a little insane. She wanted to get where she
was going as quickly as possible. Even in her scrambled mental state she
saw that as a problem that could be solved by wearing a diaper. Of
course she knew there were places to stop. She didn't want to stop,
that's the point. As an astronaut she wouldn't think twice about ****ing
in a diaper if it would solve a perceived problem.
>
> > Political correctness? What? Did you read any other part of her
> > biography? She is qualified as a mission specialist. She is an engineer.
> > She does not fly the orbiter.
>
> OK. But the NEWS MEDIA keep saying she is an "astronaut". Perhaps there
> should be a push to call people WHAT THEY REALLY ARE, instead of giving them
> gratuitous titles that they haven't actually earned. Political
> correctness????

According to NASA that is WHAT THEY REALLY ARE. They make the
definition, not you, not the news media.
>
> > A couple of the males in her class:
> > MICHAEL ³MIKE² FINCKE (LIEUTENANT COLONEL, USAF)
> > NASA ASTRONAUT: over 825 flight hours in more than 30 different aircraft
> > types.<
>
> I really love this one...825 hours in more than 30 different aircraft
> types....gimme a ****in' break. I want to see this guy's logbook.

I doubt that he or NASA will comply with your demand to see his logbook,
but knock yourself out.
>
> > LEE M.E. MORIN, M.D., PH.D. (CAPTAIN, USN)
> > NASA ASTRONAUT: doesn't seem to be a pilot at all.
>
> And therefore not an astronaut....a mission specialist maybe?

Yes, a mission specialist, and an astronaut as defined by NASA. By the
way, these bios are directly from NASA.
>
> Did you know that the FAA now has a Certificate called "Commercial
> Astronaut", and that to earn that rating one must actually "fly" a
> spacecraft???? You don't get it by riding on one.

So what? The FAA has nothing to do with how NASA defines an astronaut.
>
> OL

--
One is always considered mad when one perfects something that others can
not grasp.*- Ed Wood

[redc1c4]

Ray O'Hara wrote:
>
> "Overlord" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
> > chick...
> >
> > She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
> >
> > Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
> >
> > My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
> > hours???? Egads
> >
> > I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
> > than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had
> way
> > more than any 1500 hours.
> >
> > Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
> > or for that matter an autopilot.
> >
>
> she was probably a scientist with other skills

unlike you.

redc1c4,
pointing out the obvious, to the oblivious. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

[redc1c4]

Ray O'Hara wrote:
>
> "Overlord" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
> > chick...
> >
> > She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
> >
> > Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
> >
> > My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
> > hours???? Egads
> >
> > I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
> > than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had
> way
> > more than any 1500 hours.
> >
> > Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
> > or for that matter an autopilot.
> >
>
> she was probably a scientist with other skills

unlike you.

redc1c4,
pointing out the obvious, to the oblivious. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

[Luke]

"Overlord" > wrote in message
. net...
> > A couple of the males in her class:
> > MICHAEL ³MIKE² FINCKE (LIEUTENANT COLONEL, USAF)
> > NASA ASTRONAUT: over 825 flight hours in more than 30 different aircraft
> > types.<
>
> I really love this one...825 hours in more than 30 different aircraft
> types....gimme a ****in' break. I want to see this guy's logbook.
>


I've almost got that many hours myself, and I'm just a dork in a
Cessna.....


Luke

[Luke]

"Overlord" > wrote in message
. net...
> > A couple of the males in her class:
> > MICHAEL ³MIKE² FINCKE (LIEUTENANT COLONEL, USAF)
> > NASA ASTRONAUT: over 825 flight hours in more than 30 different aircraft
> > types.<
>
> I really love this one...825 hours in more than 30 different aircraft
> types....gimme a ****in' break. I want to see this guy's logbook.
>


I've almost got that many hours myself, and I'm just a dork in a
Cessna.....


Luke

[Overlord]

> I've almost got that many hours myself, and I'm just a dork in a
> Cessna.....<

Disagree. Not a dork. Just another guy building his experience. Same as I
did. Same as every real pilot did, and does, on a a daily basis....And we
**** up, all the time, but we learn from those mistakes so as not to do them
again.

We never "know it all", and anyone who says he does is the real dork, and a
hazard to air navigation.

Some may quote what NASA says is an "astronaut", but NASA has no
regulatority authority, but the FAA does, and by the FAA definition, one
must have actually piloted a spacecraft to earn an "Astronaut" rating. That
don't mean a "mission specialist".

Now, some may take offense to this fact, but nevertheless, it is the fact,
and to those who may have some political and/or other axe to grind I say
this....WHO FLYS THE MACHINE????

Answer = ASTRONAUT!!!!!\

Anybody else is just along for the ride, despite whatever job they have to
do.. Might as well be a guy operating a deep sea remotely operated
submersible. That don't make them a "saturation diver", does it?

OL

[Overlord]

> I've almost got that many hours myself, and I'm just a dork in a
> Cessna.....<

Disagree. Not a dork. Just another guy building his experience. Same as I
did. Same as every real pilot did, and does, on a a daily basis....And we
**** up, all the time, but we learn from those mistakes so as not to do them
again.

We never "know it all", and anyone who says he does is the real dork, and a
hazard to air navigation.

Some may quote what NASA says is an "astronaut", but NASA has no
regulatority authority, but the FAA does, and by the FAA definition, one
must have actually piloted a spacecraft to earn an "Astronaut" rating. That
don't mean a "mission specialist".

Now, some may take offense to this fact, but nevertheless, it is the fact,
and to those who may have some political and/or other axe to grind I say
this....WHO FLYS THE MACHINE????

Answer = ASTRONAUT!!!!!\

Anybody else is just along for the ride, despite whatever job they have to
do.. Might as well be a guy operating a deep sea remotely operated
submersible. That don't make them a "saturation diver", does it?

OL

[Overlord]

>I know this will not convince you; however, here is the Wikipedia
>definition of "astronaut."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronaut
> Dictionary.com defines it as:
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/astronaut
> You don't have to be a pilot to meet the "travel in space" definition.<

OK. So anybody who has a bazillion dollars and can buy his/her way into
space is an astronaut? So I could win the lottery and buy my way to the ISS
and that would make me an astronaut???

What a disgrace to those brave men who risked, and lost, their lives to
advance the state of the art.

Gus Grissom, best stick of the bunch, once dead sticked an F-86 into WXOF
(know what that means...?) would be, I think, absolutely paralyzed by your
and the modern media's definition of what an "astronaut" is.

OL

[Overlord]

>I know this will not convince you; however, here is the Wikipedia
>definition of "astronaut."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronaut
> Dictionary.com defines it as:
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/astronaut
> You don't have to be a pilot to meet the "travel in space" definition.<

OK. So anybody who has a bazillion dollars and can buy his/her way into
space is an astronaut? So I could win the lottery and buy my way to the ISS
and that would make me an astronaut???

What a disgrace to those brave men who risked, and lost, their lives to
advance the state of the art.

Gus Grissom, best stick of the bunch, once dead sticked an F-86 into WXOF
(know what that means...?) would be, I think, absolutely paralyzed by your
and the modern media's definition of what an "astronaut" is.

OL

[Les Matheson]

Haven't see WX0F in a synoptic in years (Indefinite Ceiling Obscured Zero
visibility in Fog), of course I quit flying in 2001.

I spent 5 years in USAFE, I've seen WX0F.

Les



"Overlord" > wrote in message
et...
> >I know this will not convince you; however, here is the Wikipedia
> >definition of "astronaut."
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronaut
> > Dictionary.com defines it as:
> > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/astronaut
> > You don't have to be a pilot to meet the "travel in space" definition.<
>
> OK. So anybody who has a bazillion dollars and can buy his/her way into
> space is an astronaut? So I could win the lottery and buy my way to the
ISS
> and that would make me an astronaut???
>
> What a disgrace to those brave men who risked, and lost, their lives to
> advance the state of the art.
>
> Gus Grissom, best stick of the bunch, once dead sticked an F-86 into WXOF
> (know what that means...?) would be, I think, absolutely paralyzed by your
> and the modern media's definition of what an "astronaut" is.
>
> OL
>
>
>

[Les Matheson]

Haven't see WX0F in a synoptic in years (Indefinite Ceiling Obscured Zero
visibility in Fog), of course I quit flying in 2001.

I spent 5 years in USAFE, I've seen WX0F.

Les



"Overlord" > wrote in message
et...
> >I know this will not convince you; however, here is the Wikipedia
> >definition of "astronaut."
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronaut
> > Dictionary.com defines it as:
> > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/astronaut
> > You don't have to be a pilot to meet the "travel in space" definition.<
>
> OK. So anybody who has a bazillion dollars and can buy his/her way into
> space is an astronaut? So I could win the lottery and buy my way to the
ISS
> and that would make me an astronaut???
>
> What a disgrace to those brave men who risked, and lost, their lives to
> advance the state of the art.
>
> Gus Grissom, best stick of the bunch, once dead sticked an F-86 into WXOF
> (know what that means...?) would be, I think, absolutely paralyzed by your
> and the modern media's definition of what an "astronaut" is.
>
> OL
>
>
>

[Overlord]

> Haven't see WX0F in a synoptic in years (Indefinite Ceiling Obscured Zero
> visibility in Fog), of course I quit flying in 2001.<

They changed it to the current Eurocentric "Metar/TAF" format a while back.
BR = mist???? Egads. Is that French or something? Thank God for computers.
These days I just have it converted to regular English. Took a .297
checkride once where the POI wanted me to read a TAF/METAR. I just laughed
and had the observation/forcast changed to regular language. It was good
enough. A lot has changed since we got our WX off the teletype, hasn't it?

> I spent 5 years in USAFE, I've seen WX0F.<

I bet that's right!

Cheers!

OL

[Overlord]

> Haven't see WX0F in a synoptic in years (Indefinite Ceiling Obscured Zero
> visibility in Fog), of course I quit flying in 2001.<

They changed it to the current Eurocentric "Metar/TAF" format a while back.
BR = mist???? Egads. Is that French or something? Thank God for computers.
These days I just have it converted to regular English. Took a .297
checkride once where the POI wanted me to read a TAF/METAR. I just laughed
and had the observation/forcast changed to regular language. It was good
enough. A lot has changed since we got our WX off the teletype, hasn't it?

> I spent 5 years in USAFE, I've seen WX0F.<

I bet that's right!

Cheers!

OL

[JD Cooper]

Overlord wrote:
> Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
> chick...
>
> She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
>
> Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
>
> My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
> hours???? Egads
>
> I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
> than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had way
> more than any 1500 hours.
>
> Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
> or for that matter an autopilot.
>
> OL
>
>
>

she wears a diaper to drive 900 miles without stopping. question: how
big was the gas tank?

JD

[JD Cooper]

Overlord wrote:
> Drove something like 900 miles, wearing a diaper, to kill some other
> chick...
>
> She only had like 1500 hours flight time...????
>
> Barely more than the requirement for an ATP...
>
> My 2... Political correctness run amok. An Astronaut with only 1500
> hours???? Egads
>
> I bet my paycheck against anybody's that the "Mercury 7" all had WAY more
> than any 1500 hours. Moreover, I bet that the males in her class all had way
> more than any 1500 hours.
>
> Hell, I had over 6000 hours before I ever flew an airplane with a copilot,
> or for that matter an autopilot.
>
> OL
>
>
>

she wears a diaper to drive 900 miles without stopping. question: how
big was the gas tank?

JD

[Boomerang]

So true....I asked a nugget not long ago if he knew what BINOVC
meant...remember that? (Breaks in the overcast..) Anyway, times have
changed...just check the calendar!

[Boomerang]

So true....I asked a nugget not long ago if he knew what BINOVC
meant...remember that? (Breaks in the overcast..) Anyway, times have
changed...just check the calendar!