Transfer of IGC log for contest scoring

[Tom N.]

Hello all,

I plan to fly in my first contest this summer. What is the best
(easiest) way to transfer my IGC flight log to the scorer? I use a
Cambridge 302 and IPAQ 3955. For the OLC, I download the file to my
IPAQ using ConnectMe and the take the IPAQ home and connect it to my
PC and then upload to the OLC. Would contest scoring be something
similar to this? Thanks. Tom N.

[Marc Ramsey]

Tom N. wrote:
> I plan to fly in my first contest this summer. What is the best
> (easiest) way to transfer my IGC flight log to the scorer? I use a
> Cambridge 302 and IPAQ 3955. For the OLC, I download the file to my
> IPAQ using ConnectMe and the take the IPAQ home and connect it to my
> PC and then upload to the OLC. Would contest scoring be something
> similar to this? Thanks. Tom N.

Stick an SD card in the iPAQ, copy the IGC file there, and hand the card
to the scorer. To reduce confusion, make sure the IGC to be scored is
the only file on the card, or at least the only obvious IGC file in the
top level directory.

Make sure you bring along a USB SD card reader (the one I have in my
soaring kit is barely larger than the SD card and cost me all of $8US),
in the unlikely event the scorer does not have one...

Marc

[ContestID67]

I agree with the SD (or CF) card approach. Cambridge makes a small
piece of software for the iPAQ that makes copying the flight log to
the card very simple. Then hand the card to the scorer. Make sure to
write your name, tail number, contest number on the card. Also make
sure that you configure the Cambridge (with the same piece of
software) with your name, glider info, etc. The software also
confirms the validity of the FAI log file after the download.

I wouldn't worry to much about having the day's log file being the
only one on the card. The naming convention for the log file contains
the date and the recorder manufacturer and serial number.

Finally, Glide Navigator II (for one) seamless handles the task of
copying the log file from the 302 to the card. When you quit GNII
after landing, it automatically asks you if you want to copy the
file. Cool! Thanks to Chip.

Enjoy, John

[kirk.stant]

Tom,

SD cards are the way to go with a PDA. Good idea to have a couple of
them (they don't have to be big - 64 or 32mb work fine if you can find
them!) and put your contest ID and name on them (of course, your
logger file in it also has that info). You may have to leave it with
the scorer if he's swamped, and that makes it easier to get it back
later or the next morning.

That's the only problem I see with the new EW logger - you either
leave the whole logger in the box with the rest of the SD cards and
floppies, or you drag along you notebook and download it and transfer
to another format.

Ideally, a logger should transfer it's files directly to a USB
thumbdrive or SD card (directly or via reader connected via USB
port). Lot cheaper to misplace than a logger! Doesn't the latest
Colibri do that?

Kirk

[Tom N.]

On Feb 11, 11:59 pm, "kirk.stant" > wrote:
> Tom,
>
> SD cards are the way to go with a PDA. Good idea to have a couple of
> them (they don't have to be big - 64 or 32mb work fine if you can find
> them!) and put your contest ID and name on them (of course, your
> logger file in it also has that info). You may have to leave it with
> the scorer if he's swamped, and that makes it easier to get it back
> later or the next morning.
>
> That's the only problem I see with the new EW logger - you either
> leave the whole logger in the box with the rest of the SD cards and
> floppies, or you drag along you notebook and download it and transfer
> to another format.
>
> Ideally, a logger should transfer it's files directly to a USB
> thumbdrive or SD card (directly or via reader connected via USB
> port). Lot cheaper to misplace than a logger! Doesn't the latest
> Colibri do that?
>
> Kirk


Thanks Mark, John, and Kirk.

Tom

[Tuno]

Tom,

What everyone already said, and:

1) Congrats on flying your first contest this summer. You're going to
love it!

2) When you use ConnectMe, be sure to specify a download location on
the SD card; this saves you from having to copy it from the iPAQ's
file storage to the SD. ConnectMe should remember the setting and it
will be the default next time you download.

btw I've flown in 3 regional contests, and at all three, the scorer
had smart software that would automagically find the day's IGC file on
the storage card. But if you really want to keep the scorer happy,
don't be the last to turn yours in!

~ted
V2C "2NO"

[Tom N.]

On Feb 12, 7:35 pm, "Tuno" > wrote:
> Tom,
>
> What everyone already said, and:
>
> 1) Congrats on flying your first contest this summer. You're going to
> love it!
>
> 2) When you use ConnectMe, be sure to specify a download location on
> the SD card; this saves you from having to copy it from the iPAQ's
> file storage to the SD. ConnectMe should remember the setting and it
> will be the default next time you download.
>
> btw I've flown in 3 regional contests, and at all three, the scorer
> had smart software that would automagically find the day's IGC file on
> the storage card. But if you really want to keep the scorer happy,
> don't be the last to turn yours in!
>
> ~ted
> V2C "2NO"

Thanks, Ted!

Tom

[Paul Remde]

Hi Kirk,

2 comments

It is my belief that contest scorers will love the EW microRecorder because
you just plug it into the USB port on any PC and it looks like a memory card
reader or hard drive. Very simple. No software required.

EW is working on a slightly more expensive version of the microRecorder that
will include an SD card slot. To be honest, I don't think it is necessary
or worth the extra money.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

"kirk.stant" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Tom,
>
> SD cards are the way to go with a PDA. Good idea to have a couple of
> them (they don't have to be big - 64 or 32mb work fine if you can find
> them!) and put your contest ID and name on them (of course, your
> logger file in it also has that info). You may have to leave it with
> the scorer if he's swamped, and that makes it easier to get it back
> later or the next morning.
>
> That's the only problem I see with the new EW logger - you either
> leave the whole logger in the box with the rest of the SD cards and
> floppies, or you drag along you notebook and download it and transfer
> to another format.
>
> Ideally, a logger should transfer it's files directly to a USB
> thumbdrive or SD card (directly or via reader connected via USB
> port). Lot cheaper to misplace than a logger! Doesn't the latest
> Colibri do that?
>
> Kirk
>
>
>
>
>

[kirk.stant]

Hi Paul,

No doubt, the new EW logger looks like a great bit of kit, and will be
convenient for most of the poeple most of the time. Just depends on
how you use and download a logger. I have been at contests where the
scorer was real busy, so we just dropped off the SD card. With an EW,
you would have to wait around a little longer. In 99% of the times,
probably not an issue.

I just wish you could leave it installed in the glider and download
into a PDA/SD card. One less thing to take out and replace - not
always easy to do in some gliders, especially if it's buried and the
antenna connector is hard to get to. But that is entirely due to how
my glider is setup and obviously does not mean the EW Micro logger
isn't the perfect device for someone else. In particular, it seems
like a perfect club logger.

It's nice to have a choice of options - I think all loggers should
allow the option of downloading to a PDA, transferring via USB, or
transferring TO a USB thumb drive or SD via reader. And only cost
$99.95, of course!

Cheers,

Kirk

[Richard[_1_]]

Contests that I have competed in, over the last 5 years the scorer
wants nothing to do with a flight recorder, they would not accept
them. They required SD Card, USB sticks. disk etc.

I sell a nice Colibri with a mini SD Card.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com


On Feb 19, 3:54 pm, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
> Hi Kirk,
>
> 2 comments
>
> It is my belief that contest scorers will love the EW microRecorder because
> you just plug it into the USB port on any PC and it looks like a memory card
> reader or hard drive. Very simple. No software required.
>
> EW is working on a slightly more expensive version of the microRecorder that
> will include an SD card slot. To be honest, I don't think it is necessary
> or worth the extra money.
>
> Good Soaring,
>
> Paul Remde
> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>
> "kirk.stant" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
> > Tom,
>
> > SD cards are the way to go with a PDA. Good idea to have a couple of
> > them (they don't have to be big - 64 or 32mb work fine if you can find
> > them!) and put your contest ID and name on them (of course, your
> > logger file in it also has that info). You may have to leave it with
> > the scorer if he's swamped, and that makes it easier to get it back
> > later or the next morning.
>
> > That's the only problem I see with the new EW logger - you either
> > leave the whole logger in the box with the rest of the SD cards and
> > floppies, or you drag along you notebook and download it and transfer
> > to another format.
>
> > Ideally, a logger should transfer it's files directly to a USB
> > thumbdrive or SD card (directly or via reader connected via USB
> > port). Lot cheaper to misplace than a logger! Doesn't the latest
> > Colibri do that?
>
> > Kirk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[01-- Zero One]

That's interesting, because _every_ contest that I have competed in for
years has accepted flight recorders... especially Cambridge that will
automatically download directly.



Larry Goddard

"01" USA





"Richard" > wrote in message
oups.com:

> Contests that I have competed in, over the last 5 years the scorer
> wants nothing to do with a flight recorder, they would not accept
> them. They required SD Card, USB sticks. disk etc.
>
> I sell a nice Colibri with a mini SD Card.
>
> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com
>
>
> On Feb 19, 3:54 pm, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
> > Hi Kirk,
> >
> > 2 comments
> >
> > It is my belief that contest scorers will love the EW microRecorder because
> > you just plug it into the USB port on any PC and it looks like a memory card
> > reader or hard drive. Very simple. No software required.
> >
> > EW is working on a slightly more expensive version of the microRecorder that
> > will include an SD card slot. To be honest, I don't think it is necessary
> > or worth the extra money.
> >
> > Good Soaring,
> >
> > Paul Remde
> > Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
> >
> > "kirk.stant" > wrote in message
> >
> > oups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > Tom,
> >
> > > SD cards are the way to go with a PDA. Good idea to have a couple of
> > > them (they don't have to be big - 64 or 32mb work fine if you can find
> > > them!) and put your contest ID and name on them (of course, your
> > > logger file in it also has that info). You may have to leave it with
> > > the scorer if he's swamped, and that makes it easier to get it back
> > > later or the next morning.
> >
> > > That's the only problem I see with the new EW logger - you either
> > > leave the whole logger in the box with the rest of the SD cards and
> > > floppies, or you drag along you notebook and download it and transfer
> > > to another format.
> >
> > > Ideally, a logger should transfer it's files directly to a USB
> > > thumbdrive or SD card (directly or via reader connected via USB
> > > port). Lot cheaper to misplace than a logger! Doesn't the latest
> > > Colibri do that?
> >
> > > Kirk- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -

[Wayne Paul]

"Richard" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Contests that I have competed in, over the last 5 years the scorer
> wants nothing to do with a flight recorder, they would not accept
> them. They required SD Card, USB sticks. disk etc.
>
> I sell a nice Colibri with a mini SD Card.
>
> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com
>

I don't see why a EW miroRecorder would be less convenient that a USB stick.
Maybe the technology associated with the ON/OFF switch is too much for the
scorer to handle.

[Richard[_1_]]

Maybe its a west coast thing, Scorers in Ephrata, Montague 18m Nats,
15m Nats required the pilot to fiddle around instead of the scorer.
CAI does connect well if you have a serial port and power to it which
the scored may or maynot have. If his computer only has a USB
then ???????? converter time.

On Feb 20, 6:04 am, "01-- Zero One" > wrote:
> That's interesting, because _every_ contest that I have competed in for
> years has accepted flight recorders... especially Cambridge that will
> automatically download directly.
>
> Larry Goddard
>
> "01" USA
>
> "Richard" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com:
>
>
>
> > Contests that I have competed in, over the last 5 years the scorer
> > wants nothing to do with a flight recorder, they would not accept
> > them. They required SD Card, USB sticks. disk etc.
>
> > I sell a nice Colibri with a mini SD Card.
>
> > Richard
> >www.craggyaero.com
>
> > On Feb 19, 3:54 pm, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
> > > Hi Kirk,
>
> > > 2 comments
>
> > > It is my belief that contest scorers will love the EW microRecorder because
> > > you just plug it into the USB port on any PC and it looks like a memory card
> > > reader or hard drive. Very simple. No software required.
>
> > > EW is working on a slightly more expensive version of the microRecorder that
> > > will include an SD card slot. To be honest, I don't think it is necessary
> > > or worth the extra money.
>
> > > Good Soaring,
>
> > > Paul Remde
> > > Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>
> > > "kirk.stant" > wrote in message
>
> > oups.com...
>
> > > > Tom,
>
> > > > SD cards are the way to go with a PDA. Good idea to have a couple of
> > > > them (they don't have to be big - 64 or 32mb work fine if you can find
> > > > them!) and put your contest ID and name on them (of course, your
> > > > logger file in it also has that info). You may have to leave it with
> > > > the scorer if he's swamped, and that makes it easier to get it back
> > > > later or the next morning.
>
> > > > That's the only problem I see with the new EW logger - you either
> > > > leave the whole logger in the box with the rest of the SD cards and
> > > > floppies, or you drag along you notebook and download it and transfer
> > > > to another format.
>
> > > > Ideally, a logger should transfer it's files directly to a USB
> > > > thumbdrive or SD card (directly or via reader connected via USB
> > > > port). Lot cheaper to misplace than a logger! Doesn't the latest
> > > > Colibri do that?
>
> > > > Kirk- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Bert Willing]

Because they don't want to get into anything which looks like a cable
connector. USB sticks or SD cards are simply shown as drives after
insertion, and you pull the respective file.

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
...
> I don't see why a EW miroRecorder would be less convenient that a USB
> stick. Maybe the technology associated with the ON/OFF switch is too much
> for the scorer to handle.
>
>
>

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I think you and Richard are missing the point about how easy the EW
microRecorder is to use. You connect it to your PC using a standard USB
cable and it looks exactly like a card reader or hard drive to the PC. The
scorer can copy and paste the files from the EW to the PC in exactly the
same way he/she copies files from a card reader. There is no software or
drivers required. It is extremely simple. Once you see it in action you
will most likely agree that no scorer will have a problem with connecting to
the logger because it doesn't act like a logger - it acts like a card
reader.

I agree that it is nice that the new Colibri has a built-in microSD card
reader because then the scorer won't need to use LXe or SeeYou or StrePla to
copy flight logs from the Colibri.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.


"Bert Willing" > wrote in message
...
> Because they don't want to get into anything which looks like a cable
> connector. USB sticks or SD cards are simply shown as drives after
> insertion, and you pull the respective file.
>
> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I don't see why a EW miroRecorder would be less convenient that a USB
>> stick. Maybe the technology associated with the ON/OFF switch is too much
>> for the scorer to handle.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Richard[_1_]]

No Paul I didn't miss the point. The scorer didn't want to deal with
flight recorders in general, if one then why not all questions, and
they don't want to provide security for recorders that are left in the
scoring office or just in the hanger. In short the scorers in the
contests I was in just did'nt want to deal with flight recorders.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com


On Feb 20, 8:57 am, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think you and Richard are missing the point about how easy the EW
> microRecorder is to use. You connect it to your PC using a standard USB
> cable and it looks exactly like a card reader or hard drive to the PC. The
> scorer can copy and paste the files from the EW to the PC in exactly the
> same way he/she copies files from a card reader. There is no software or
> drivers required. It is extremely simple. Once you see it in action you
> will most likely agree that no scorer will have a problem with connecting to
> the logger because it doesn't act like a logger - it acts like a card
> reader.
>
> I agree that it is nice that the new Colibri has a built-in microSD card
> reader because then the scorer won't need to use LXe or SeeYou or StrePla to
> copy flight logs from the Colibri.
>
> Good Soaring,
>
> Paul Remde
> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>
> "Bert Willing" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > Because they don't want to get into anything which looks like a cable
> > connector. USB sticks or SD cards are simply shown as drives after
> > insertion, and you pull the respective file.
>
> > "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> I don't see why a EW miroRecorder would be less convenient that a USB
> >> stick. Maybe the technology associated with the ON/OFF switch is too much
> >> for the scorer to handle.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Wayne Paul]

Paul,

I originally assumed that the unit had to be turned on in order to access
the files contained in memory. It appears from your posting that the 5V
provide by the USB cable actuates memory access just like it does in a
"thumb" drives. Cool!!

Wayne
EW Model D owner.


"Paul Remde" > wrote in message
news:8MFCh.5413$PD2.2898@attbi_s22...
> Hi,
>
> I think you and Richard are missing the point about how easy the EW
> microRecorder is to use. You connect it to your PC using a standard USB
> cable and it looks exactly like a card reader or hard drive to the PC.
> The scorer can copy and paste the files from the EW to the PC in exactly
> the same way he/she copies files from a card reader. There is no software
> or drivers required. It is extremely simple. Once you see it in action
> you will most likely agree that no scorer will have a problem with
> connecting to the logger because it doesn't act like a logger - it acts
> like a card reader.
>
> I agree that it is nice that the new Colibri has a built-in microSD card
> reader because then the scorer won't need to use LXe or SeeYou or StrePla
> to copy flight logs from the Colibri.
>
> Good Soaring,
>
> Paul Remde
> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>

[Paul Remde]

Hi Wayne,

Yep.

Paul Remde

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
...
> Paul,
>
> I originally assumed that the unit had to be turned on in order to access
> the files contained in memory. It appears from your posting that the 5V
> provide by the USB cable actuates memory access just like it does in a
> "thumb" drives. Cool!!
>
> Wayne
> EW Model D owner.
>
>
> "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
> news:8MFCh.5413$PD2.2898@attbi_s22...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think you and Richard are missing the point about how easy the EW
>> microRecorder is to use. You connect it to your PC using a standard USB
>> cable and it looks exactly like a card reader or hard drive to the PC.
>> The scorer can copy and paste the files from the EW to the PC in exactly
>> the same way he/she copies files from a card reader. There is no
>> software or drivers required. It is extremely simple. Once you see it
>> in action you will most likely agree that no scorer will have a problem
>> with connecting to the logger because it doesn't act like a logger - it
>> acts like a card reader.
>>
>> I agree that it is nice that the new Colibri has a built-in microSD card
>> reader because then the scorer won't need to use LXe or SeeYou or StrePla
>> to copy flight logs from the Colibri.
>>
>> Good Soaring,
>>
>> Paul Remde
>> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>>
>
>

[Graeme Cant]

Richard wrote:
> No Paul I didn't miss the point. The scorer didn't want to deal with
> flight recorders in general, if one then why not all questions,

If you mean what I think you thought you meant ( :) ), the reason to
make an exception for the EW is that downloading doesn't require a
special program or cables or special knowledge - unlike all previous
loggers.

It's a memory stick just like all the others that scorers are demanding!

> and
> they don't want to provide security for recorders that are left in the
> scoring office or just in the hanger.

So. No security for 50 or so cards and sticks? No security for the
scorers' laptops? No security for the scorer's data on the laptops?
Try again, Richard.

> ... In short the scorers in the
> contests I was in just didn't want to deal with flight recorders.

No. They didn't want to deal with EXISTING flight recorders. This one
sounds great and I'd be happy as a scorer to have one handed in. MUCH
happier than to be given a Colibri or Volkslogger, both of which I would
hand back and say - put it on a stick.

If you're going to get grumpy with Paul, we're going to make you stand
in the corner for a month. You're both only here on sufferance.

GC
> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com
>
>
> On Feb 20, 8:57 am, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think you and Richard are missing the point about how easy the EW
>> microRecorder is to use. You connect it to your PC using a standard USB
>> cable and it looks exactly like a card reader or hard drive to the PC. The
>> scorer can copy and paste the files from the EW to the PC in exactly the
>> same way he/she copies files from a card reader. There is no software or
>> drivers required. It is extremely simple. Once you see it in action you
>> will most likely agree that no scorer will have a problem with connecting to
>> the logger because it doesn't act like a logger - it acts like a card
>> reader.
>>
>> I agree that it is nice that the new Colibri has a built-in microSD card
>> reader because then the scorer won't need to use LXe or SeeYou or StrePla to
>> copy flight logs from the Colibri.
>>
>> Good Soaring,
>>
>> Paul Remde
>> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>>
>> "Bert Willing" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>>> Because they don't want to get into anything which looks like a cable
>>> connector. USB sticks or SD cards are simply shown as drives after
>>> insertion, and you pull the respective file.
>>> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> I don't see why a EW miroRecorder would be less convenient that a USB
>>>> stick. Maybe the technology associated with the ON/OFF switch is too much
>>>> for the scorer to handle.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>

[Richard[_1_]]

Excuse me Graeme, I forgot that this is Paul's personal advertising
news group.

Richard

On Feb 20, 8:11 pm, Graeme Cant <gcantinter@tnodedotnet> wrote:
> Richard wrote:
> > No Paul I didn't miss the point. The scorer didn't want to deal with
> > flight recorders in general, if one then why not all questions,
>
> If you mean what I think you thought you meant ( :) ), the reason to
> make an exception for the EW is that downloading doesn't require a
> special program or cables or special knowledge - unlike all previous
> loggers.
>
> It's a memory stick just like all the others that scorers are demanding!
>
> > and
> > they don't want to provide security for recorders that are left in the
> > scoring office or just in the hanger.
>
> So. No security for 50 or so cards and sticks? No security for the
> scorers' laptops? No security for the scorer's data on the laptops?
> Try again, Richard.
>
> > ... In short the scorers in the
> > contests I was in just didn't want to deal with flight recorders.
>
> No. They didn't want to deal with EXISTING flight recorders. This one
> sounds great and I'd be happy as a scorer to have one handed in. MUCH
> happier than to be given a Colibri or Volkslogger, both of which I would
> hand back and say - put it on a stick.
>
> If you're going to get grumpy with Paul, we're going to make you stand
> in the corner for a month. You're both only here on sufferance.
>
> GC
>
>
>
> > Richard
> >www.craggyaero.com
>
> > On Feb 20, 8:57 am, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
> >> Hi,
>
> >> I think you and Richard are missing the point about how easy the EW
> >> microRecorder is to use. You connect it to your PC using a standard USB
> >> cable and it looks exactly like a card reader or hard drive to the PC. The
> >> scorer can copy and paste the files from the EW to the PC in exactly the
> >> same way he/she copies files from a card reader. There is no software or
> >> drivers required. It is extremely simple. Once you see it in action you
> >> will most likely agree that no scorer will have a problem with connecting to
> >> the logger because it doesn't act like a logger - it acts like a card
> >> reader.
>
> >> I agree that it is nice that the new Colibri has a built-in microSD card
> >> reader because then the scorer won't need to use LXe or SeeYou or StrePla to
> >> copy flight logs from the Colibri.
>
> >> Good Soaring,
>
> >> Paul Remde
> >> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>
> >> "Bert Willing" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >>> Because they don't want to get into anything which looks like a cable
> >>> connector. USB sticks or SD cards are simply shown as drives after
> >>> insertion, and you pull the respective file.
> >>> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>> I don't see why a EW miroRecorder would be less convenient that a USB
> >>>> stick. Maybe the technology associated with the ON/OFF switch is too much
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[Nigel Pocock]

At 04:12 21 February 2007, Graeme Cant wrote:
>Richard wrote:
>> No Paul I didn't miss the point. The scorer didn't
>> want to deal with
>> flight recorders in general,

I was an assistant scorer at the 2006 18m nationals
in the uk and 75% of the IGC files were presented as
loggers rather than cards or sticks.
They were all booked in, downloaded whilst the pilots
and crew were in the bar and were available for them
to be collected at briefing the next morning. We could
not refuse any logger or file in approved format under
the cometition rules. However certain loggers were
more difficult than others to download, Colibri for
example.
Incidentally of the 6 current or ex world or european
champions competing half used loggers and half cards.
Nigel

[Graeme Cant]

Richard wrote:
> Excuse me Graeme, I forgot that this is Paul's personal advertising
> news group.

No Richard. It's NOBODY'S personal advertising group. I said you're
BOTH here on sufferance.

I disagree with your view because it seems to have holes in it. If you
advertise on ras (which I'm happy to have you do), you must also accept
that you're open to differing views.

I have been part of a scoring group which accepted loggers. I would
never accept loggers again but if the EW works as described, I would
make it an exception.

The whole discussion's probably moot anyhow because most comps here seem
to have wireless networks now. Very few physical objects at all are
handed in.

GC

>
> Richard
>
> On Feb 20, 8:11 pm, Graeme Cant <gcantinter@tnodedotnet> wrote:
>> Richard wrote:
>>> No Paul I didn't miss the point. The scorer didn't want to deal with
>>> flight recorders in general, if one then why not all questions,
>> If you mean what I think you thought you meant ( :) ), the reason to
>> make an exception for the EW is that downloading doesn't require a
>> special program or cables or special knowledge - unlike all previous
>> loggers.
>>
>> It's a memory stick just like all the others that scorers are demanding!
>>
>>> and
>>> they don't want to provide security for recorders that are left in the
>>> scoring office or just in the hanger.
>> So. No security for 50 or so cards and sticks? No security for the
>> scorers' laptops? No security for the scorer's data on the laptops?
>> Try again, Richard.
>>
>>> ... In short the scorers in the
>>> contests I was in just didn't want to deal with flight recorders.
>> No. They didn't want to deal with EXISTING flight recorders. This one
>> sounds great and I'd be happy as a scorer to have one handed in. MUCH
>> happier than to be given a Colibri or Volkslogger, both of which I would
>> hand back and say - put it on a stick.
>>
>> If you're going to get grumpy with Paul, we're going to make you stand
>> in the corner for a month. You're both only here on sufferance.
>>
>> GC
>>
>>
>>
>>> Richard
>>> www.craggyaero.com
>>> On Feb 20, 8:57 am, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I think you and Richard are missing the point about how easy the EW
>>>> microRecorder is to use. You connect it to your PC using a standard USB
>>>> cable and it looks exactly like a card reader or hard drive to the PC. The
>>>> scorer can copy and paste the files from the EW to the PC in exactly the
>>>> same way he/she copies files from a card reader. There is no software or
>>>> drivers required. It is extremely simple. Once you see it in action you
>>>> will most likely agree that no scorer will have a problem with connecting to
>>>> the logger because it doesn't act like a logger - it acts like a card
>>>> reader.
>>>> I agree that it is nice that the new Colibri has a built-in microSD card
>>>> reader because then the scorer won't need to use LXe or SeeYou or StrePla to
>>>> copy flight logs from the Colibri.
>>>> Good Soaring,
>>>> Paul Remde
>>>> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>>>> "Bert Willing" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Because they don't want to get into anything which looks like a cable
>>>>> connector. USB sticks or SD cards are simply shown as drives after
>>>>> insertion, and you pull the respective file.
>>>>> "Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> I don't see why a EW miroRecorder would be less convenient that a USB
>>>>>> stick. Maybe the technology associated with the ON/OFF switch is too much
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>

[Cliff Hilty[_2_]]

Its not so much the security issue for me, its the
giving someone else my $1000 dollar logger instead
of a $5 SD card. I for one am really interested in
the EW microrecorder with a SD card built in. I'll
order one the day after they do that!

CH Ventus B

At 04:12 21 February 2007, Graeme Cant wrote:
>Richard wrote:
>> No Paul I didn't miss the point. The scorer didn't
>> want to deal with
>> flight recorders in general, if one then why not all
>>questions,
>
>If you mean what I think you thought you meant ( :)
> ), the reason to
>make an exception for the EW is that downloading doesn't
>require a
>special program or cables or special knowledge - unlike
>all previous
>loggers.
>
>It's a memory stick just like all the others that scorers
>are demanding!
>
>> and
>> they don't want to provide security for recorders
>>that are left in the
>> scoring office or just in the hanger.
>
>So. No security for 50 or so cards and sticks? No
>security for the
>scorers' laptops? No security for the scorer's data
>on the laptops?
>Try again, Richard.
>
>> ... In short the scorers in the
>> contests I was in just didn't want to deal with flight
>>recorders.
>
>No. They didn't want to deal with EXISTING flight
>recorders. This one
>sounds great and I'd be happy as a scorer to have one
>handed in. MUCH
>happier than to be given a Colibri or Volkslogger,
>both of which I would
>hand back and say - put it on a stick.
>
>If you're going to get grumpy with Paul, we're going
>to make you stand
>in the corner for a month. You're both only here on
>sufferance.
>
>GC
>> Richard
>> www.craggyaero.com
>>
>>
>> On Feb 20, 8:57 am, 'Paul Remde' wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think you and Richard are missing the point about
>>>how easy the EW
>>> microRecorder is to use. You connect it to your PC
>>>using a standard USB
>>> cable and it looks exactly like a card reader or hard
>>>drive to the PC. The
>>> scorer can copy and paste the files from the EW to
>>>the PC in exactly the
>>> same way he/she copies files from a card reader.
>>>There is no software or
>>> drivers required. It is extremely simple. Once you
>>>see it in action you
>>> will most likely agree that no scorer will have a
>>>problem with connecting to
>>> the logger because it doesn't act like a logger -
>>>it acts like a card
>>> reader.
>>>
>>> I agree that it is nice that the new Colibri has a
>>>built-in microSD card
>>> reader because then the scorer won't need to use LXe
>>>or SeeYou or StrePla to
>>> copy flight logs from the Colibri.
>>>
>>> Good Soaring,
>>>
>>> Paul Remde
>>> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>>>
>>> 'Bert Willing' wrote in message
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Because they don't want to get into anything which
>>>>looks like a cable
>>>> connector. USB sticks or SD cards are simply shown
>>>>as drives after
>>>> insertion, and you pull the respective file.
>>>> 'Wayne Paul' wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> I don't see why a EW miroRecorder would be less convenient
>>>>>that a USB
>>>>> stick. Maybe the technology associated with the ON/OFF
>>>>>switch is too much
>>>>> for the scorer to handle.- Hide quoted text -
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>>
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