Round Engines

[john smith]

DEDICATED TO ALL THOSE *WHO FLEW BEHIND ROUND ENGINES

We gotta get rid of *those turbines, they're ruining aviation and our
hearing... *

A turbine is too simple minded, it has no *mystery. The air travels
through it in a straight line and doesn't *pick up any of the pungent
fragrance of engine oil or pilot sweat. *

Anybody can start a turbine. You just need *to move a switch from "OFF"
to "START" and then remember to move it *back to "ON" after a while. My
PC is harder to start. *

Cranking a round engine requires skill, *finesse and style. You have to
seduce it into starting. It's like *waking up a beautiful and classy
mistress. Treat her right and you're *in for a thrill. *Abuse her and
you'll regret it!!!! *

On some turbine planes, the pilots aren't *even allowed to start the
engine...
Turbines start by whining for a while, and then give a lady-like *poof
and start whining a little louder. *

Round engines give a satisfying *rattle-rattle, click-click, BANG, more
rattles, another BANG, a big *macho explosion or two, more clicks, a lot
more smoke and finally a *serious low pitched roar. We like that. It's a
GUY thing... *

When you start a round engine, your mind *is engaged and you can
concentrate on the flight ahead. Starting a *turbine is like flicking on
a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly *exciting.

When you have started his round *engine successfully your Crew Chief
looks up at you like he'd let you *kiss his girl, too!

Turbines don't break *or catch fire often enough, which leads to aircrew
boredom, *complacency and inattention. A round engine at speed looks and
sounds *like it's going to blow any minute. This helps concentrate the
*mind!
***
Turbines *don't have enough control levers or gauges to keep a pilot's
*attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during long flights.*

Turbines smell like a *Boy Scout camp full of Coleman Lamps. Round
engines smell like *God intended machines to smell.

[Jim Macklin]

Not all turbine engine starts are automatic, not just the
PT6, but other pure jets require a fair amount of skill to
not burn up the engine on starting.

The PT6 air-flow is not straight thru, but enters at the
rear and goes forward.

BTW, jets are round too.


"john smith" > wrote in message
...
| DEDICATED TO ALL THOSE WHO FLEW BEHIND ROUND ENGINES
|
| We gotta get rid of those turbines, they're ruining
aviation and our
| hearing...
|
| A turbine is too simple minded, it has no mystery. The air
travels
| through it in a straight line and doesn't pick up any of
the pungent
| fragrance of engine oil or pilot sweat.
|
| Anybody can start a turbine. You just need to move a
switch from "OFF"
| to "START" and then remember to move it back to "ON" after
a while. My
| PC is harder to start.
|
| Cranking a round engine requires skill, finesse and style.
You have to
| seduce it into starting. It's like waking up a beautiful
and classy
| mistress. Treat her right and you're in for a thrill.
Abuse her and
| you'll regret it!!!!
|
| On some turbine planes, the pilots aren't even allowed to
start the
| engine...
| Turbines start by whining for a while, and then give a
lady-like poof
| and start whining a little louder.
|
| Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle,
click-click, BANG, more
| rattles, another BANG, a big macho explosion or two, more
clicks, a lot
| more smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like
that. It's a
| GUY thing...
|
| When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and
you can
| concentrate on the flight ahead. Starting a turbine is
like flicking on
| a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly exciting.
|
| When you have started his round engine successfully your
Crew Chief
| looks up at you like he'd let you kiss his girl, too!
|
| Turbines don't break or catch fire often enough, which
leads to aircrew
| boredom, complacency and inattention. A round engine at
speed looks and
| sounds like it's going to blow any minute. This helps
concentrate the
| mind!
|
| Turbines don't have enough control levers or gauges to
keep a pilot's
| attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during long
flights.
|
| Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman
Lamps. Round
| engines smell like God intended machines to smell.

[JonH]

A Rolls-Royce Dart can be interesting to start on some days.



"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
...
> Not all turbine engine starts are automatic, not just the
> PT6, but other pure jets require a fair amount of skill to
> not burn up the engine on starting.
>
> The PT6 air-flow is not straight thru, but enters at the
> rear and goes forward.
>
> BTW, jets are round too.
>
>
> "john smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> | DEDICATED TO ALL THOSE WHO FLEW BEHIND ROUND ENGINES
> |
> | We gotta get rid of those turbines, they're ruining
> aviation and our
> | hearing...
> |
> | A turbine is too simple minded, it has no mystery. The air
> travels
> | through it in a straight line and doesn't pick up any of
> the pungent
> | fragrance of engine oil or pilot sweat.
> |
> | Anybody can start a turbine. You just need to move a
> switch from "OFF"
> | to "START" and then remember to move it back to "ON" after
> a while. My
> | PC is harder to start.
> |
> | Cranking a round engine requires skill, finesse and style.
> You have to
> | seduce it into starting. It's like waking up a beautiful
> and classy
> | mistress. Treat her right and you're in for a thrill.
> Abuse her and
> | you'll regret it!!!!
> |
> | On some turbine planes, the pilots aren't even allowed to
> start the
> | engine...
> | Turbines start by whining for a while, and then give a
> lady-like poof
> | and start whining a little louder.
> |
> | Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle,
> click-click, BANG, more
> | rattles, another BANG, a big macho explosion or two, more
> clicks, a lot
> | more smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like
> that. It's a
> | GUY thing...
> |
> | When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and
> you can
> | concentrate on the flight ahead. Starting a turbine is
> like flicking on
> | a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly exciting.
> |
> | When you have started his round engine successfully your
> Crew Chief
> | looks up at you like he'd let you kiss his girl, too!
> |
> | Turbines don't break or catch fire often enough, which
> leads to aircrew
> | boredom, complacency and inattention. A round engine at
> speed looks and
> | sounds like it's going to blow any minute. This helps
> concentrate the
> | mind!
> |
> | Turbines don't have enough control levers or gauges to
> keep a pilot's
> | attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during long
> flights.
> |
> | Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman
> Lamps. Round
> | engines smell like God intended machines to smell.
>
>

[Kingfish]

On Feb 12, 1:30 am, john smith > wrote:

>> Anybody can start a turbine. You just need to move a switch from "OFF"
>> to "START" and then remember to move it back to "ON" after a while. My
>> PC is harder to start.

Shhhh... Don't let that get out, or we'll have more idiot non-pilots
stealing King Airs & Caravans instead of Skyhawks...


>> Starting a turbine is like flicking on a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly exciting.

I dunno... I love the sound of a TPE331 winding up - I actually have
that as a wav file on my work computer that plays when I sign on in
the morning - gets everyone's attention. Does your ceiling fan have Ng
and ITT gauges? <G>

>> Turbines don't break or catch fire often enough, which leads to aircrew
>> boredom, complacency and inattention.

And this is a bad thing? (I realize this is tongue-in-cheek)
Inattention during the start cycle can mean a hot start and do all
kinds of damage to the compressor section

>>A round engine at speed looks and sounds like it's going to blow any minute. This helps concentrate the mind!

Yep, just ask any old FE that sat third seat on a Connie. Managing
four cantankerous Wright 3350's was a full time job. (even without
PRTs engaged)

[Steve Foley]

"JonH" > wrote in message
. ..
>A Rolls-Royce Dart can be interesting to start on some days.

My Dodge Dart was interesting to start on some days too :)

[Jim Macklin]

The hard part may be that after you've started one three
times, you go deaf, so you can't hear the forth start
attempt;-)


"JonH" > wrote in message
. ..
|A Rolls-Royce Dart can be interesting to start on some
days.
|
|
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| ...
| > Not all turbine engine starts are automatic, not just
the
| > PT6, but other pure jets require a fair amount of skill
to
| > not burn up the engine on starting.
| >
| > The PT6 air-flow is not straight thru, but enters at the
| > rear and goes forward.
| >
| > BTW, jets are round too.
| >
| >
| > "john smith" > wrote in message
| >
...
| > | DEDICATED TO ALL THOSE WHO FLEW BEHIND ROUND ENGINES
| > |
| > | We gotta get rid of those turbines, they're ruining
| > aviation and our
| > | hearing...
| > |
| > | A turbine is too simple minded, it has no mystery. The
air
| > travels
| > | through it in a straight line and doesn't pick up any
of
| > the pungent
| > | fragrance of engine oil or pilot sweat.
| > |
| > | Anybody can start a turbine. You just need to move a
| > switch from "OFF"
| > | to "START" and then remember to move it back to "ON"
after
| > a while. My
| > | PC is harder to start.
| > |
| > | Cranking a round engine requires skill, finesse and
style.
| > You have to
| > | seduce it into starting. It's like waking up a
beautiful
| > and classy
| > | mistress. Treat her right and you're in for a thrill.
| > Abuse her and
| > | you'll regret it!!!!
| > |
| > | On some turbine planes, the pilots aren't even allowed
to
| > start the
| > | engine...
| > | Turbines start by whining for a while, and then give a
| > lady-like poof
| > | and start whining a little louder.
| > |
| > | Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle,
| > click-click, BANG, more
| > | rattles, another BANG, a big macho explosion or two,
more
| > clicks, a lot
| > | more smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar. We
like
| > that. It's a
| > | GUY thing...
| > |
| > | When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged
and
| > you can
| > | concentrate on the flight ahead. Starting a turbine is
| > like flicking on
| > | a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly exciting.
| > |
| > | When you have started his round engine successfully
your
| > Crew Chief
| > | looks up at you like he'd let you kiss his girl, too!
| > |
| > | Turbines don't break or catch fire often enough, which
| > leads to aircrew
| > | boredom, complacency and inattention. A round engine
at
| > speed looks and
| > | sounds like it's going to blow any minute. This helps
| > concentrate the
| > | mind!
| > |
| > | Turbines don't have enough control levers or gauges to
| > keep a pilot's
| > | attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during long
| > flights.
| > |
| > | Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman
| > Lamps. Round
| > | engines smell like God intended machines to smell.
| >
| >
|
|

[[email protected]]

On Feb 12, 11:31 am, "Kingfish" > wrote:

> I dunno... I love the sound of a TPE331 winding up - I actually have
> that as a wav file on my work computer that plays when I sign on in
> the morning - gets everyone's attention.

I use this one for that purpose:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_sound_files.htm and click
on "Great Sounding Engine!" to start your day. Neither round nor a
turbine, but it gets the blood flowing as good as a cup of coffee.

Dan

[GDBholdings]

"Kingfish" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Feb 12, 1:30 am, john smith > wrote:
>
> I dunno... I love the sound of a TPE331 winding up - I actually have
> that as a wav file on my work computer that plays when I sign on in
> the morning - gets everyone's attention. Does your ceiling fan have Ng
> and ITT gauges? <G>
>
>
>

Oh Man I would love to hear or rather have a copy of that wav. I love the
sound of a turbine spooling up in the morning! sounds
like.............POWER!!

soo......mind letting me know where you downloaded the wav
file...............pleeeease!

[GDBholdings]

"GDBholdings" > wrote in message
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>
> "Kingfish" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> On Feb 12, 1:30 am, john smith > wrote:
>>
>> I dunno... I love the sound of a TPE331 winding up - I actually have
>> that as a wav file on my work computer that plays when I sign on in
>> the morning - gets everyone's attention. Does your ceiling fan have Ng
>> and ITT gauges? <G>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Oh Man I would love to hear or rather have a copy of that wav. I love the
> sound of a turbine spooling up in the morning! sounds
> like.............POWER!!
>
> soo......mind letting me know where you downloaded the wav
> file...............pleeeease!
>


Doh!! someone already posted a site that has that file!!! LOL thanks
anyway

[Jim Macklin]

The Merlin is the best sounding engine of all time.

Followed by the P&W R2800



"GDBholdings" > wrote in message
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|
| "GDBholdings" > wrote in message
| news:U54Ah.943803$5R2.646789@pd7urf3no...
| >
| > "Kingfish" > wrote in message
| >
ups.com...
| >> On Feb 12, 1:30 am, john smith > wrote:
| >>
| >> I dunno... I love the sound of a TPE331 winding up - I
actually have
| >> that as a wav file on my work computer that plays when
I sign on in
| >> the morning - gets everyone's attention. Does your
ceiling fan have Ng
| >> and ITT gauges? <G>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >
| > Oh Man I would love to hear or rather have a copy of
that wav. I love the
| > sound of a turbine spooling up in the morning! sounds
| > like.............POWER!!
| >
| > soo......mind letting me know where you downloaded the
wav
| > file...............pleeeease!
| >
|
|
| Doh!! someone already posted a site that has that file!!!
LOL thanks
| anyway
|
|

[Dave[_5_]]

On Feb 12, 4:07 pm, "Jim Macklin"
> wrote:
> The Merlin is the best sounding engine of all time.
>
My office used to be under the final approach path for runway 15 at
SBA. One day I heard the unmistakable sound of a Merlin pass overhead.
But wait - that sounded like two merlins! What could that be - a
Mosquito?. I had to go look. Sure enough, it was a pair of Merlins -
on a Spanish-built JU-88. How's that for a rare bird? I read somehere
that it had been Franco's personal plane - and also that it later
crashed.

David Johnson

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article om>,
"Dave" > wrote:

> On Feb 12, 4:07 pm, "Jim Macklin"
> > wrote:
> > The Merlin is the best sounding engine of all time.
> >
> My office used to be under the final approach path for runway 15 at
> SBA. One day I heard the unmistakable sound of a Merlin pass overhead.
> But wait - that sounded like two merlins! What could that be - a
> Mosquito?. I had to go look. Sure enough, it was a pair of Merlins -
> on a Spanish-built JU-88. How's that for a rare bird? I read somehere
> that it had been Franco's personal plane - and also that it later
> crashed.
>
> David Johnson

Are you sure that it wasn't a Heinkel? IIRC, the Spanish didn't have
JU-88s.

[Kingfish]

On Feb 12, 11:33 pm, Orval Fairbairn >
wrote:
> In article om>,
>
> "Dave" > wrote:
> > On Feb 12, 4:07 pm, "Jim Macklin"
> > > wrote:
> > > The Merlin is the best sounding engine of all time.
>
> > My office used to be under the final approach path for runway 15 at
> > SBA. One day I heard the unmistakable sound of a Merlin pass overhead.
> > But wait - that sounded like two merlins! What could that be - a
> > Mosquito?. I had to go look. Sure enough, it was a pair of Merlins -
> > on a Spanish-built JU-88. How's that for a rare bird? I read somehere
> > that it had been Franco's personal plane - and also that it later
> > crashed.
>
> > David Johnson
>
> Are you sure that it wasn't a Heinkel? IIRC, the Spanish didn't have
> JU-88s.

What a coinky-dink. I saw that plane out in Mesa at the AZ wing of the
CAF back in 2000. Assuming this is the same plane, it's a Spanish
(CASA) built He-111 that was lost in 2003. Some of those postwar
planes were retrofitted with Merlins in place of the original Jumo
engines.

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article om>,
"Kingfish" > wrote:

> On Feb 12, 11:33 pm, Orval Fairbairn >
> wrote:
> > In article om>,
> >
> > "Dave" > wrote:
> > > On Feb 12, 4:07 pm, "Jim Macklin"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > The Merlin is the best sounding engine of all time.
> >
> > > My office used to be under the final approach path for runway 15 at
> > > SBA. One day I heard the unmistakable sound of a Merlin pass overhead.
> > > But wait - that sounded like two merlins! What could that be - a
> > > Mosquito?. I had to go look. Sure enough, it was a pair of Merlins -
> > > on a Spanish-built JU-88. How's that for a rare bird? I read somehere
> > > that it had been Franco's personal plane - and also that it later
> > > crashed.
> >
> > > David Johnson
> >
> > Are you sure that it wasn't a Heinkel? IIRC, the Spanish didn't have
> > JU-88s.
>
> What a coinky-dink. I saw that plane out in Mesa at the AZ wing of the
> CAF back in 2000. Assuming this is the same plane, it's a Spanish
> (CASA) built He-111 that was lost in 2003. Some of those postwar
> planes were retrofitted with Merlins in place of the original Jumo
> engines.

Heinkels, IIRC, had DB engines, not Junkers. Yes -- the Spanish
converted their Heinkels and Messerschmitts to Merlins, from DB engines.

[Kingfish]

On Feb 13, 3:16 pm, Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
>> > > Are you sure that it wasn't a Heinkel? IIRC, the Spanish didn't have
> > > JU-88s.
>
> > What a coinky-dink. I saw that plane out in Mesa at the AZ wing of the
> > CAF back in 2000. Assuming this is the same plane, it's a Spanish
> > (CASA) built He-111 that was lost in 2003. Some of those postwar
> > planes were retrofitted with Merlins in place of the original Jumo
> > engines.
>
> Heinkels, IIRC, had DB engines, not Junkers. Yes -- the Spanish
> converted their Heinkels and Messerschmitts to Merlins, from DB engines.- Hide quoted text -

According to the source I found (Wiki), they had both. The He-111 H
models had Jumo 211's. IIRC most 111's did have the DB 600/601
engines like you said.

[Dave[_5_]]

On Feb 12, 11:33 pm, Orval Fairbairn >
wrote:
> In article om>,
>
> "Dave" > wrote:
> > On Feb 12, 4:07 pm, "Jim Macklin"
> > > wrote:
> > > The Merlin is the best sounding engine of all time.
>
> > My office used to be under the final approach path for runway 15 at
> > SBA. One day I heard the unmistakable sound of a Merlin pass overhead.
> > But wait - that sounded like two merlins! What could that be - a
> > Mosquito?. I had to go look. Sure enough, it was a pair of Merlins -
> > on a Spanish-built JU-88. How's that for a rare bird? I read somehere
> > that it had been Franco's personal plane - and also that it later
> > crashed.
>
> > David Johnson
>
> Are you sure that it wasn't a Heinkel? IIRC, the Spanish didn't have
> JU-88s.

You are right - my memory failed. I have also seen a Spanish ME-109
with a Merlin.
I read that the Spanish continued building them after WWII, when the
German engines were no longer available.

[Brian[_1_]]

On Feb 12, 2:07 pm, "Jim Macklin"
> wrote:
> The Merlin is the best sounding engine of all time.
>
> Followed by the P&W R2800
>

I agree the only thing I have found that sounds better than a Merlin
as 2 of them in sync on DeHavilland Mosquito.

Brian
CFIIG/ASEL

[[email protected]]

On Feb 11, 11:30 pm, john smith > wrote:
> DEDICATED TO ALL THOSE WHO FLEW BEHIND ROUND ENGINES
>
> We gotta get rid of those turbines, they're ruining aviation and our
> hearing...
>
> A turbine is too simple minded, it has no mystery. The air travels
> through it in a straight line and doesn't pick up any of the pungent
> fragrance of engine oil or pilot sweat.
>
> Anybody can start a turbine. You just need to move a switch from "OFF"
> to "START" and then remember to move it back to "ON" after a while. My
> PC is harder to start.
>
> Cranking a round engine requires skill, finesse and style. You have to
> seduce it into starting. It's like waking up a beautiful and classy
> mistress. Treat her right and you're in for a thrill. Abuse her and
> you'll regret it!!!!
>
> On some turbine planes, the pilots aren't even allowed to start the
> engine...
> Turbines start by whining for a while, and then give a lady-like poof
> and start whining a little louder.
>
> Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click, BANG, more
> rattles, another BANG, a big macho explosion or two, more clicks, a lot
> more smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. It's a
> GUY thing...
>
> When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can
> concentrate on the flight ahead. Starting a turbine is like flicking on
> a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly exciting.
>
> When you have started his round engine successfully your Crew Chief
> looks up at you like he'd let you kiss his girl, too!
>
> Turbines don't break or catch fire often enough, which leads to aircrew
> boredom, complacency and inattention. A round engine at speed looks and
> sounds like it's going to blow any minute. This helps concentrate the
> mind!
>
> Turbines don't have enough control levers or gauges to keep a pilot's
> attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during long flights.
>
> Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman Lamps. Round
> engines smell like God intended machines to smell.

Yeah, I prefer square engines myself...

[Jim Macklin]

Or the Twin Mustang P82
"Brian" > wrote in message
ups.com...
| On Feb 12, 2:07 pm, "Jim Macklin"
| > wrote:
| > The Merlin is the best sounding engine of all time.
| >
| > Followed by the P&W R2800
| >
|
| I agree the only thing I have found that sounds better
than a Merlin
| as 2 of them in sync on DeHavilland Mosquito.
|
| Brian
| CFIIG/ASEL
|
|
|

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
"Jim Macklin" > wrote:

> Or the Twin Mustang P82
> "Brian" > wrote in message

The P82 (at least the production versions) had Allisons.




> ups.com...
> | On Feb 12, 2:07 pm, "Jim Macklin"
> | > wrote:
> | > The Merlin is the best sounding engine of all time.
> | >
> | > Followed by the P&W R2800
> | >
> |
> | I agree the only thing I have found that sounds better
> than a Merlin
> | as 2 of them in sync on DeHavilland Mosquito.
> |
> | Brian
> | CFIIG/ASEL
> |
> |
> |

[Morgans]

"Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Jim Macklin" > wrote:
>
>> Or the Twin Mustang P82
>> "Brian" > wrote in message
>
> The P82 (at least the production versions) had Allisons.

The P-38 sounds pretty damn good, too, and they are Allisons.

One Merlin, or two Allisons? Who wins in that "sounds best" contest?
--
Jim in NC